 Okay, welcome to the Monday, September the 20th, 2021 meeting of the Montpelier design review committee. I will staff and members introduce themselves. Make sure you're right near the microphone. Meredith Crandall staff. Steve Everett. Martha Smurskates member. Is Pritchett member. Eric Hamilton zooming in. Okay, good. Then I will let Meredith describe the remote meeting procedures and process. All right, so for everybody on zoom, I'm going to share my screen. This little. Item is really more for anybody watching via orca. And then I'll go through a few of the remote meeting procedures. This will be, I think, mostly for Gary. Who I don't think has done this since we started going remote. So for those viewing this meeting via orca media, you can participate in tonight's meeting via the zoom platform. You can use this link here, which will take you directly in. Tyler one of the nurses from family medicine. Eric, can you mute yourself? There we go. I just muted you. So you can use the link. Or you can call into the meeting using this phone number and this meeting ID. And if anybody is having problems with getting into the meeting, please email me at this email. I'll be monitoring monitoring my email through the whole meeting. For those attending via zoom tonight, turning on your video is optional. And for everyone attending, please keep your microphone on mute when you're not speaking this will reduce background noise. So just to note that the zoom chat function should only be used for troubleshooting or logistics questions. If you have a question or comment about an item on the agenda, please raise your hand tonight. So far we just have applicants so that really shouldn't be an issue but who knows maybe you'll have thoughts on each other's applications. Yeah, we don't have any public commenting right now so I'm not going to worry about that. So just to note that because we have noted that this meeting is. Accessible remotely to the general public. In the event that I get noticed that the public is unable to access the meeting it will need to be continued to a time and place certain. I will now hand the meeting back over to the chair. Okay, do I hear a motion from any of the members to approve the agenda. Is there a second second Eric. All in favor of the agenda speak your names and or raise your hand. Eric. Martha. Okay, we can go to the first application for seven East State Street for incognito salon signed come up have a seat and describe your sign. Make sure that microphone you can pull the whole thing closer to me to here. Okay. Okay. So I am applying to put my sign up at my new location it was at 2070 State Street is black. In the background it's made of wood. I've had it up for 10 years. The lettering is white. I don't remember what the white color was when I did it 10 years ago. I'm basically applying to rehang it in my new location. It's the same sign, just in a new location. Correct. Would you like me to share the screen so that would be great. Okay. All right, let me scroll down to where it is. If you thought of a signboard out on the, like the sidewalk edge so anybody walking up or down the sidewalk can see it as well. Yeah, yeah, I have, but I don't need a permit for that. You have to talk to the Department of Public Works. They have some standards. Okay. I'll double check because the last yeah, I will do that. Yeah, but she doesn't have to come back here. No, she doesn't have to go and she doesn't it's not a zoning permit. Yeah, it's just Department of Public Works. It's like certain places and location. Yeah. Exactly. I'm having a hard time there. All right. So there's the sign up close and this is actually a sign that was approved the last time you moved it. This has been approved twice by the city because it was actually on Elm Street too. You never realized you were on the installment. No, this will be the last one. It's up close over the door, right? Yes. And then so I'm going to have to rotate this again guys. There we go. I think it's 48 inches long what the width or the yeah. Yeah, I think we've got that. Measurements are in the form. Maybe 14, 14 and a half. 13 and a half inches tall by 48 inches wide. Yep. It's obviously the only place you could put it there because you don't have any other space. No, it's not. There's not a lot of frontage there. Works well with the name of your business. So I don't know if this is something to be interested in but you do know I think that under zoning you're allowed like one open flag. Okay, if you want, I don't think that needs is any permit. You can just come in and talk to me or whatever. But there's I think there's might be size limitations and it's okay, but I think you can have an open flag which might just sort of call attention to where you are and help people get people's attention. Sure. Bohemian's getting a pretty good plug because we just say we're buying Bohemian. Yeah. Any committee members have any questions comments or suggestions regarding the location of the site. Looks good to me. Okay. Me too. I'll go through the criteria. There's a set of criteria and I'll just read through the ones applicable size location design color texture lighting and material all exterior signs within the district will be compatible with the building and structures acceptable. Where appropriate signage shall respect the original sign placement and sign bands on a structure structures this location is acceptable. If the building has multiple tenants there should be a consistency and placement and size among all signs acceptable. Recommended the sign placement be centered over the entry certainly is acceptable. Sign installation shall minimize damage to character defining materials that's acceptable. Design color and typography shall respect historic precedence and should be the appropriate scale for existing and new buildings acceptable. Sign support structures will be compatible with the building architecture and must not be overly complex or dominant in and of themselves acceptable. All in favor of the application. Speak your names and or raise your hand. This is Martha. I say yes. Who is yes. Okay, the application is approved. Thank you. So he's gonna have a form for you to sign. Okay, I think you can get it back to me like right now. Okay, and I've got a pen. I need to put a pen up there actually. I know I don't because Gary's not here. And just to sign there's no lighting. So we should be able to get that out to you tomorrow. Do you want us to mail it or do you want us to just call you and it's there. Sign it right below my name there. That's it. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, Sonia. Good night. Good luck. And do we have someone here remotely for 24 North Street. We do we have Gary Miller. Hi, Gary. You want to describe your application for your railing. Yeah, sure. We have an existing railing system that has kind of four by four pillars and in between is Wayne scouting and all the Wayne scouting is rotted away it's just a really a flaw in the design. And so rather than replace in the whole the poster now rotted and everything so rather than replace the Wayne scouting and just have it rod again, we decided to go with a cable cable system so it'll be eight inch stand it'll be a four by four inches of and then between one by two by sixes and two by four is in between and topping and then spaced at three inches apart will be eight inch stainless steel cable. There'll be spaced four inches or less three three inches. Okay. Yeah, three. I'm doing three inches. Is there I thought the, I thought the requirement was that they needed to be three because they would move slightly in case they're disturbed and that would keep them within four. It's just extra safety but that's fine. Okay. Can I do, can I do for am I am I allowed to do that. You are correct in your assumption cable because cable has the ability to spread apart. Okay, all right I'll do three then. Thank you for the clarification. And Gary are you using pressure treated wood or regular wood. I'm using Douglas for. Okay. For both the posts and the top. Yeah, I talked to a woodworker who told me that would last a long time I don't like really working with pressure treated and was I have to because of the chemical element. I understand. Yeah. Anyone on the committee have any additional questions comments or suggestions. Okay. We can go through the criteria for this criteria. The conditions and alterations to non historic and non contributing structure show respect and be compatible with existing patterns and setbacks found in adjacent buildings. That's acceptable. Existing building should be recognized as a physical record of their time place and use that's acceptable. And alterations to buildings called for by public safety accessibility or fire coach will be designed to maintain the character of the construction materials and features to the maximum extent feasible. That's acceptable for this design and architectural features, including but not limited to cornices windows shutters fan lights, trim other forms of molding or character defining detailing prevailing on the existing building should be the alteration that's acceptable for this application. And all in favor of the application. Speak your names and or raise your hand. Eric. Yes. This is Martha. Yes. Yes. And for Tammy for recording purposes, Ben had his hand raised. You want him to. Yeah, so Gary, what we'll do just for recording purposes, there weren't any recommendations here. So we don't need you to sign this form before we issue the permit, but we do want you to sign it. So I'm going to scan it and email it to you. You can just sign that last page and either scan it back or drop it off at city hall. Yeah, I'll be in town tomorrow morning. So if you if you want to send it to me, I can drop it off with Audrey in the morning. Or you can just come in and sign it in person, which would be easier for you. Yeah, I'll just come in and sign it in person. That's easy enough. Okay, great. And you don't have to go through the trouble of scanning it. Perfect. We'll see you tomorrow morning. All right. Thank you so much. I appreciate your help. Thank you. Good luck with your prayer. Thank you. Thank you. And has everyone had a chance to review the minutes of September the seven. We have. And I make a motion to approve the minutes of September 7. This is Martha. Yes. You want to second it Eric. I Eric will second it. Okay, all in favor speak your names. Martha. Eric. And Steve. So the minutes are approved. Does anyone have anything else to add at this point. If not, do I hear a motion to adjourn? This is Martha. I'll move to adjourn. I'll second. All in favor of adjournment. Raise your hand or speak your names. Eric. Martha. Steve. Meeting is adjourned. Thank you everybody. You got to find more challenging applications for it. Bye bye. Thank you. Bye bye.