 can round them up. Okay, I'll see you in here early then tomorrow. That's correct. Now you get you take Dirksen immediately and Mansfield and you just visit with them coming over and get their suggestions and tell them that here's what we are committed to, roughly committed to about three billion dollars, hold back, deferral, postpone, cut. Now there's a difference in each one of them. That does not mean that we're going to eliminate it, but means we're going to put it over into next year somewhere other. That's fiscal 67. Now we just got six months to do it, December through June. Now three billion in programs emphasize program not spending, not expenditures, not NOA, but in programs. That means that we may have programmed in the education bill, they may have given me 200 million more than I asked for. And that's programmed by the Congress. We don't ask for that 200 million, so that counts as a part of the program. Now we've specifically said program never sets expenditures. There's a difference there. Because seven months you can't have but seven plus of the expenditure anyway. Follow me? Yes, I get your point. Now, so we look at them and the big substantial cuts that we're really making, we're going to hold back mostly by the first question I think you all discussed with them is whether we could appropriately hold back any of the school lunch money in the afternoon, the milk at three o'clock, and the impacted areas that they added to us. That's roughly 400 million. We're not doing it in our plans because we assume they overwrote us and we don't look like we overriding them when they're gone. So we don't touch that. But some of them say you ought to cut them a little bit proportionately. We're far the school lunch program but we don't think Nelson Rock Fellows kids and Lyndon Johnson's are to get it free at three o'clock in the afternoon. It doesn't affect the 12 o'clock meal. It doesn't affect the poor kids at all. We put in a new program for poor kids at breakfast. But this is the rich ones and we would like to cut of that 200 million impacted school aids that Alexandria and Arlington gets a hell of a slice of. We'd like to give them more and under the elementary bill which has a good formula for poor people and less under impacting but they overwrote us. So the question is do we cut any of that out? We are not doing it but if they would let us it would be good if we could pick up 100 million that way from both of those programs. I don't know whether we ought to or not. Primarily where our money is going to have to come from is we're not going to defer any land buying. We're going on by it so it won't go up. We're just going to hold back a few months on some contracts and slow down a little bit where we can. That'll cost us some money all right to do it. But we think it'll cost us less inflation costs. So what we're going to wind up doing is get three or four or five billion in programs and how to reflect two billion of better in expenditures. And that's what we promise to do. Then the question comes what do we do in next year's budget? This year's budget will be between 125 and 30. They don't know that but when we have our supplemental that's what it'll run. We estimate it to be 112 but the tight money is costing us about four and a half billion four and a half to five billion. We're going to sell four billion worth of securities so we can't sell them. We can just sell maybe one or two. The interest goes up five hundred million. So that'll cost us I'd say five billion roughly there. So we had a hundred and thirteen budget that'll make a hundred and eighteen budget. Then your defense will be somewhere from five to fifteen extra. Yeah so that's we'll just assume that's twelve extra. Twelve and eighteen would be a hundred and thirty. Now if we can keep that two hundred and twenty seven twenty it would be mighty lucky. But you really got a hundred and thirty budget this year. Then next year you'll have the same hundred and thirty. Yeah then you'll have the increased cost of extra money. You'll have the increased cost of defense which will be they figure that it'll probably be five six billion more than last year. And we'll have some increased obligations here. They get by somewhere between hundred and thirty five or forty billion. Now the big key items is they're going to want to cut all the new deal stuff the new society stuff. Yeah we don't have much as a matter of fact for it that they will cut. Poverty is the thing that they likely to cut most. Education they won't do much of that. Health they won't do much of that. They'll talk about it but they've got three little items teachers core rent supplements demonstration cities but all of them don't have 50 million in them. All three of them put together don't amount as much as not a fourth of what they got in the impacted area. That's correct. But they like to talk about it. That impact area is a big financial for some of them. It's a big terrible financial and so but I would try to convince Dirksen and Mansfield coming over that while they did put in the impacted area over our head what do they think about our just cutting it like it did roads just say 20 percent or 25 percent. See that would get us 50 million dollars that would get us enough money to finance all of our three programs our supplemental rents only 20 million for that teacher's course only 12 so that's 32 and demonstration cities I don't remember what he'd add 24 I think there's a pretty dear young but they want to cut all those three out I don't believe that we I believe we can hold tell us like Brooke and Percy on that in the Senate I think in the trouble is the house. Can we do anything more on aid without reckoning it? No. The aid thing is not you see they've they've wrecked it already yeah you're not talking for the balance of the year yeah we're going to hold a little back but it's uh it's inconsequential yeah we're holding a little back with FAA and they say we're going to have an airplane wrecked every time we cut anybody they say it's going to be a disaster but the total still comes in at when we do all of our cutting hybrid everything I'm talking to you about we're still going to have 127, 28, 30 billion. Now what year our revenue is going to be? 117, 18. 117 I'd take it and if that thing slowed down like it might be a lot less you just lose two or three billion right quick yeah I know but uh we've got a 750 gross national product and of course I'll be an emigrant and say we ought to spend hundreds of millions and uh the demagogues are going to say cut out non-essential but they can't ever tell you non-essential non-essential is the macro in Jackson, Mississippi yeah non-essential is cotton in New York yeah that's right I've got a real big question that we haven't resolved state is just fighting this fiercely not to reduce the the cotton uh the loans 20 and a half to 20 they want to cut it a half a cent or 21 to 20 and a half I forgot uh agriculture's insisting they are obligated to do it and poking them a shove in them but countries like Mexico say it ruins them and cuts off the lower price of cotton and there's a direct fight in between those two because we really accept the world price yes with that loan and I don't know who's right I would thank Freeman knows more about agriculture than anybody and I think that Russ knows more about foreign policy and I know the president of Mexico just screamed oh he said he wouldn't speak to us we cut it again said we'd already wrecked him two three times but what they have these new areas have gone in you see and put theirs in and now they want us to hold it up so they can compete you see what happened is every time we cut equities here they went down to Guatemala and Mexico and there's other places that are planted now they want that price base to be uh good because we really set the world price at that Memphis market here with that that's really a rough one I don't know what the answer to it is I really don't but I'll be sure happy to talk to those fellas about it well if you get a chance today you might just say that you're going to see me tomorrow and I'm going to ask your judgment on it and uh you'd like to hear both arguments get for him to tell you what he thinks I'll do that on the other and get the man in state whoever's doing it and let's see we've gotten inside yes or no my inclination is to go with Freeman yeah I think anything you cut down better and it looks like to me that our cotton thing is deteriorate the point where it's just a few jammies well actually of course some of the same planners that uh that left here are down there you see that's right it's American capital down there that's right it's Anderson Clay putting these big guys but I don't know which side they are on I'd be against them and you ought to fight them but uh I assume that today they poke and Freeman them raise and they'll cut it maybe they want to cut well I was I'll check out with Orville today I'll have a little talk with him about that and is it Rusk and the state that's working on that I don't know who it is I would guess Tony Solomon yeah but I don't know Rusk's one presented to me but I usually handle everything with it with Rusk anyway but I would ask Tony Solomon who is handling this cotton thing and who the specialist is and he knows Mexico off well and he's the economist and he's the outstanding outstanding financial man that we have in state now yes sir well I'll do just that by the way I'm sure you've been pasted to death on India haven't you yes we've uh the the the ambassador over there is always an ambassador from India not to India and what what they want to do is get us into another billion dollar program and we may ought to go into it I don't know uh we we I told Freeman he wrote me a memo and every reason every letter every sentence in the memo was against any food allotment for India and he concluded by saying that we ought to give it to him this month and I called him up and read him sentence by sentence and said if they if they break their agreement on fertilizer if they break their agreement on uh their own self-help if they break their agreement on handling it between states distribution uh why do we make a new agreement we're keeping hours we're delivering every ton we've got now do you think I'm going to be big enough damn idiot to write another check for a billion dollars to India each year you're crazy I'm just not going to do it if we give them a billion dollars worth of food we're going to give it to him with a congress knowing all about it and with a congressional resolution and with a recommendation from the department and with the facts as to whether or not uh they they are frauds and they tell us they'll do things and then they don't do a goddamn thing about them so he agreed and Russ agreed and everybody agreed and then some underling went over from the state department got to Washington Post leaked stories that Johnson did it all which he got damn right I did yeah but that wasn't that was the thing but they went that's the way the government does is that's exactly the way we got a man keeping diary and turn it over to Bobby and the cabinet I don't know who it is I just finished the Manchester book but he writes a diary and it looks very much like it's framing or you'd all are works and it's an awful thing but I heard it was a damn malty uh this is anyway I'm very you're talking to frame when you might just ask him say by the way or the connection these books are you keeping a diary uh uh are you keeping a diary just ask him just say I heard they did reports come in that you do just ask him frankly if he does let's find out that's an awful thing if they're doing that if we've got a goddamn spy in her own cabinet that turns that stuff over to him but uh it's it's just unthinkable and unbelievable the things that they say and do particularly Ken O'Donnell and and this is Godfrey McHugh who was Mayor's Kennedy's friend you know that they made a major general in charge of the Air Force eight I think we've got him pretty well because they denied conversations and we used to go and take the oath so he didn't need not only should we take the oaths but he would have it called to us and he did down runs a national paper who was his top man everything unfriendly to Bobby is eliminated from the book yeah it's a good job make no mistake about it I've heard with a deal about this book coming out and Slashinger came out yesterday and had the key to study Kennedy assassination you wear that stuff he's coming from you don't think that he would be doing things like that just Mark Lane said in the New York Times day before yesterday the fellow wrote the introduction for his book Mark Lane's a comedy and fellow traveling and so and then wrote the introduction keep up the good work you think about it I'll see you tomorrow all right