 Alright, thanks for staying with us now. According to a well-being article by Prince Will Enne, any nation whose leaders are not accountable to its citizens will find it difficult to grow and develop. Now accountability is one of the cornerstones of good governance in developed nations and in leadership roles. Now it is the acknowledgement and assumption of responsibility for actions, products, decisions and policies, including the administration, as an implementation within the scope of the role of employment position and encompassing the obligation to report, explain and be answerable for resulting consequences. Now the lack of accountability in Nigerian leadership is clear and it goes without saying that these has made our nations stagnant in growth and development. Now the question is now what role do you think citizens should play when it comes to public accountability and how can we start to take our country back from those who are meant to be serving us but are not? Now please let's hear what you have to say, remember you can join the conversation. Send us an SMS or WhatsApp to 081 803 466. We can also see that that's the ratio after one with the hashtag ratio. So I'll bring in Yameen in a minute but I just want to hear your thoughts quickly. Jennifer and Chinelo, what do you think? Can citizens truly hold our leaders accountable? If we're ready, yes. Really? Okay. Jennifer, how about you? I feel like the large percentage of the citizens will not be able to because they don't even hold themselves accountable most of the time because you see people acting anyhow or constituting news ends and then when you call them out on it, nobody wants to be accountable for their actions. People start to have amnesia or start to act brand new when some things happen. It's like I just literally saw you do this but you're not going to take responsibility for what you did. I mean, look at the story you just took now. If you actually spoke to the managers and stuff like that, even the manager, the other guy who said the vigilante, and then you ask them questions, you probably come up with, oh, he did this. That was why I did this. But I mean, you're supposed to take responsibility. You're supposed to own up to it. So yeah, honestly, I don't think so. One thing that keeps ringing in my head is how knowledgeable are we as citizens to be able to even understand what it is that we should be asking. Yeah. Yemi Adam Maleku currently serves as the Executive Director of Enough is Enough Nigeria, a non-partisan network of individuals and organizations committed to building a culture of good governance and public accountability in Nigeria through active citizenship. Yemi has a 23-year diverse career spanning the public and private sector in the U.S. and Nigeria. She volunteers for Kalei Warhouse, an NGO founded by her late mother focused on the elderly. And in 2018, she was named as one of the most influential people of African descent, that's my part, endorsed by the United Nations in the humanitarian and religious category. And she's joined us live in studio. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for honoring our invitation. We always love it when our guests honor our invitation. Thank you so much. It's the first time here actually. Welcome. All right, so Yemi, I mean, this conversation, I think this is coming off of the back of the elections, first of all. You know, before the elections, it was go get your PVC, go get your PVC, even do some of us were hampering and shouting that PVC is not the solution. But hey, that was all we could fight with at that point. Get your PVC, people got their PVC, people went to vote, and a lot of, you know, things happened. Right? So now we're at the point where it seems like maybe first of all, I don't want to choose the word hopeless, because I believe that as long as there's life, you know, there's hope, you know, but we are at that point where it seems like, you know, would we ever get to a Nigeria where leaders would just do what is right? You know, and it's a bit murky in my head, because I can't see that clear picture. Because two things, I mean, I said something just now when Jennifer said it, I said knowledge, you know, citizens don't even know enough to want to even understand how they can start to hold the public officers accountable. We don't know enough. And secondly, right, even when we do, that part of, you know, like it's not affecting me directly. So let me just, you know, because Chinelo said we're not ready. And that's the truth. And when Jennifer talked about accountability, we begin to bend the rules. When it applies to me is no longer stealing. I just borrowed it, but when it applies to somebody else, I call it, I give it a different name. So really, is it even possible for us to really attain that position where citizens would begin to truly take on that office of the citizens like you have on your shirt? I mean, I think it's a combination. Again, thanks for having me. I think it's a combination of what Chinelo and Jennifer have said. Because ultimately, it's, yeah, there's a part of that understanding, but there's also just the right is right. I mean, it doesn't even have to get, it doesn't even have to get to leaders just as in terms of personal responsibility. And we see it in everyday things. So I'm wondering if I can't hold Chinelo and Jennifer accountable and they're my sisters. Why would I suddenly understand or want to hold someone outside accountable? Or as we like to say, are any house nurses okay as long as I benefit from it? I can sit in my house and get my driver's license without having to test if I can drive or go there. It's okay. But when a government official is driving down a one-way road and be like, oh, those government people, they're so useless. What's the difference? And so for me, it's literally we need to be honest with ourselves around what we want. And because if you are clear about what when just the same thing with life goes, if you are in a career, a job, a mother, whatever it is, if you are clear about what you want, then you plan to get it. Then you have clear goals, you have clear objectives. I want a PhD. I have to go to school. PhD is doing Trump of People's Labs. So it's the same thing with Nigeria. If we want Nigeria to operate at a certain standard in a certain way, then we need to be clear that it's not just about those we elect. It's also about how we run our lives. And if we don't hold those same standards, it's very hard to switch them on and off in a sense. And that's what we literally do, which is why I agree with Chinelo. They're not quite ready. You know, I want to just take you back before I let Jennifer and Chinelo come in. Honesty. You know, we're so used to, like you rightly said, the anyhowness. We're so used to it that it's almost like, you know, when I hear you speak now, so when I was going to go and get my international passport, right, and the lady I was talking to, she was the head of customs then in the first act branch, head of immigration rather, at the customs. And she told me, oh, go to the bank that just pay the fee. When you've paid the fee, we'll try to, you know, it was strange to me because I paid the exact fee. I paid how much is written there for my 10 year page passport and all of that. And it was, there was no exchange of anything. I felt very strange because I was expecting something else to happen. I was expecting something else to happen. So I needed to, you know, at some point I was like, maybe I should get her a perfume or something. Because I come now for the life of me, understand why nobody's asking me for paying extra and all of that. Because I know how these things work, right? We are so used to doing things wrong that it is difficult when we see that things are trying to be done right. For us, even us to even set it. I think it was Chinelo or Jennifer that said, when you're even trying to correct someone, you'll be like, what's your own? What is it? And so you are looking, you are now the bad person for wanting to do the right thing. So I don't even know, why am I even asking that? Is that how do we even begin to? Because now we are so used to that dishonesty that honestly becomes like very strange to us. You know what it is? Honestly, I believe that, interesting, honestly. Honestly, they believe there's still enough of us that know what is wrong or right. So you felt strange, but you didn't like, you didn't, if you wanted to get a gift, it would be because you wanted to. She didn't make the demand and you yourself, you are clear about that. That she didn't make any demands on you. You just felt that, wow. You're actually thanking her for not asking. It's basically what you did. But it's okay. And that's what the whole conversation is around. Are you gifting or is it a bribe? When is a bribe a gift? Blah-dee-blah. You didn't bribe her because she didn't ask you anything before, no after. But if you of your own good will thought, she provided good customer service, if you want to call it that. And you decide you want a gift or something. Yeah, why not? But I think there's still enough of us that have sense that know what is right. And that as hard as it might be, we just need to continue to demand it in the spaces that we control. And so that when people come in and we all have influence over people, people that work with us, people that work for us, family members, they will know that and to what is a certain way. Anticinello is a certain way. They might be like, kind of attitude. But it sinks in because regardless of when you go other places or you have the opportunity to go other places, the things that you've experienced, they are there in your subconscious. They never go away. So I think that's the responsibility we owe ourselves to decide that we will do what we know to be right. And the rest of society will catch up. But the flip side of it though is that it makes, it's very difficult doing the right thing and almost being penalized for doing the right thing. So you happen to have a nice experience. You paid, it was fine. But some other people wouldn't go there. My experience when I went to get my password was slightly different. I'd done everything paid online. You should have seen the guy that I met, Anga. Like, how dare you be online? Like, he literally told me, so what do you want me to do now? Do your job, perhaps? He was not upset because obviously because I've paid online and done the proper way. There was no opportunity for him to ask me to pay more. I've already paid. So he now tried to make the process a bit difficult. But he didn't know that mad man meets mad woman. And I was just like, Aga, it's not that deep. Eh, I should have, I should have come without paying next time. I will do that. Can we now keep this thing moving? But it was interesting that he was very angry that I did the right thing. Now for a lot of us, I mean, again, look at the sacrifice of time, part of how we justify it. And it's understandable in a sense, to be fair. Process that should take me an hour takes me two whole days. Now the cost benefit of my time is not enough for two whole days. So, but the fortunately part is that if you had asked, if you asked me to pay 100% premium for Express, I would gladly pay it. But let the money go straight into the compass of the government. But even the governments themselves, because they, yeah, yeah. That's living there. Let's just pack it there. Honestly, I think as human beings or let me use Nigeria as a whole, as a people, we are deeply rooted in corruption. And we've been so inbred. And we have this mediocre side of us as a nation where anything goes. And that's because a lot of us were born into mediocrity. We've seen the government to see everything that is happening. And this is what you're used to. We've adapted to it. So now anything that looks out of place, which is supposed to be the norm, looks wrong. And that was why you felt wrong. Like, oh, why is this human doing this? Because you're very surprised that someone could be so honest to actually want to do their job. We are used to people who aren't being responsible for what they are being paid to do. So even the government, I mean, it was this election time that a lot of us saw at least we had a glimpse of hope. Until now a lot of people's hope haven't died. Some have died. Some haven't. I know people that I talk to and they tell you they've not given up hope. And there's a reason. There are people that I've spoken to just two days ago. A friend of mine said, he's not leaving this country, you know, that is here. He's staying here. This country is going to get better. And it was amazing to see. It was amazing to see because he feels like things will get better. Something would happen. There will be a change along the line. But then if you look at the trend so far, especially from the presidential election to the gubernatorial election, you realize that a lot of people started to hold the government accountable. Do you agree with that? What do you mean by that? So people were coming out to say, enough is enough. We don't want this anymore. You want to come into power. Let's see your manifesto. Let's see what you can do. People you want to kick out who wanted to be reelected. We started to ask questions. I mean, look at Lagos, for example, people asked. Now we said, oh, there was so much competition. That's why the governor who wanted to be reelected had to come out to list out everything that he had done. Do you understand? Exactly. I mean, before then, when the debate, when the debate was going on, we didn't see any of that. He didn't show up. But he saw that people said they're asking questions. I was going to say that. Is that enough? Go ahead. I'm not even sure that it was that people were asking questions. Lagos was beaten in the presidential elections. So that was a very clear message that APC was not loved as they thought in Lagos. So if I want to win my re-election, I need to be here. And it had been busy following his principle around. So it wasn't really her campaign. But why was APC beaten in the election in Lagos? I mean, I could give a bunch of reasons. For some people, it was answers. For some people, it was because they impounded their cars and then sold it off. Some people, it was because they felt they were not working. For some people, it was because of security. I mean, Lagos has gotten significantly more unsafe under, what's the name? So none of that translates to the fact that people were now holding the government accountable. It's like, yeah. I mean, my point is that you weren't asking questions. So the point is that they weren't engaging in something. They weren't trying to say what would you do or asking him. He was the one now offering to say that. And obviously using whatever he could, I have experience. I've done this for a while. Let's continue the great work. But I think part of the other side of really what you're saying is that also the environment we have doesn't penalize bad behavior. So parents talk about it with their children all the time. Your child wants to do something bad. They'll be eyeing you. Like, move this thing. Did she do anything? Did she do anything? Did she do anything? And if you don't do anything, they'll keep pushing. And literally, if we look at it, that's what we've done with the government. I'm just general bad behavior in society. At the point in our time, if a mother saw another child doing something wrong, you would correct or you would call out people if you saw them doing something wrong. I was looking for a word. We had shame. People would actually be a bit like, like, I don't want to do that. That's why I don't look bad. But now, anyhow, let me take a break. You know what I'm saying? You cannot shame the shame. I'm shameless. You cannot shame me. But let's take a break. I won't come out from it. I think Chinelo is itching to ask a question. Stay with us. We'll be right back. All right. Thanks for staying with us. If you're just chilling, we're discussing the Citizens' Role in Public Accountability with Yemi Adamoleko. Now, please let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or WhatsApp to 081-803-4663. You can also Twitter us at Weissho after one hashtag Weissho. Chinelo. Okay. So, I mean, you see this talk of Citizens' Role and all of that, right? Like, when you asked me, I said if we're ready, because the truth is that we're not ready yet. I wish it didn't. These good governments that we're all clamoring for, we're not ready for good governance, because good governance would mean you eating biscuits in your car and not tossing the wrapper on the streets. Because if you do that, I remember we had a car, what do they call those people? They used to arrest people for things like that, right? So, are we ready for those kinds of things? Now, okay, that's even on one side. We also know that when we talk about public accountability, that's supposed to be like the hallmark for democracy, right? And right now, democracy in Nigeria is just a purpose to do it, because we're not holding anybody responsible for their omissions, their acts. We're not for their adequacies and inadequacies. We're not saying anything about all of that. But now, let's even keep all of that aside. Let's assume now, right? We're about to start. We're entering a new, on the 29th of May, we're entering a new era. We're starting off with the new president in Lagos States, where we live. Our governor has been reelected and, you know, now, how do we move forward? How do we now start to hold these people accountable and say, look, Governor, when you were coming back, you promised the Red Rail was going to be completed June 2024. How's that going to work? How do we start to ask these questions? How do we engage them? Engage them. Start by knowing them, number one. So, we spend a lot of energy on president and governor. And it's understandable, because for the president, it doesn't matter if you're in Enugu or Taraba. We're talking about the same person. So, it's easier in terms of noise and amplification. Everybody's on where is matter, because it's our shared president. At the state level, it's also important, because everybody's talking, some will do, some will do, some will do, so it's also amplified. But for a lot of things, it's your local government chairman, really, that's responsible for it. And it's not that sexy, but if you see the numbers, and we talk about presidential numbers, then dropping percentage-wise at state level. By the time you're doing local government chairman, it's horrible. Maybe like 500 people came out. It's terrible. But in a lot of ways, your local government chairman is actually responsible for things closest to you, from your markets, to your street signs, to the gutter in front of your house, to some rules, to primary school education, to primary healthcare. That's all their bit. So, I think the number one point is actually start by knowing who represents you. Number two, recognize that you have more impact in numbers. So, if Uwa is a local government chairman, and I go and see Uwa, and I talk to her, I say, oh, no problem. Thank you very much. I'll look into it, and I go. But if 30 people from a part of her constituency come and see her, and she looks at them well, I'll be like, wow, okay. It's a bit harder for her to ignore. And so, understanding that there's power in numbers, and not only the numbers of going to visit, but also the fact that one visit to Uwa is not enough. So, therefore, if there are 30, 40 of us, let's say five of us decide that, okay, on Monday, we will go. And I have actually an interesting experience of that from Ikorodu. We used to have a radio show, but we still do actually, called Noahala Monday. And the format of it is people call in with a problem. And our job is to help you solve the problem yourself. So, it's not allowing you to invent. So, you call and see something happening in your local government. This was in Ikorodu. At the time, Abike W was in House of Reps, and I was very excited because I knew she actually picks up her phone, or she engages. So, send her a text or call her. She might not pick up your phone, but she'll return it. So, when the guy said he was from Ikorodu, I was very excited. So, I said, okay, Abike W is your House of Rep member. This is her number. Call her. His first response was, really? I can call her. I was like, yeah, she works for you. Again, to your point of our knowledge, we don't understand that there's nobody, both elected and appointed, all of them are employees. Because if not the fact that we elected them into office, they wouldn't have jobs. So, it was very surprised that really I said, yes, call her. And I was very excited because I knew she would answer. Not everybody does. But, as she did, she didn't pick up the phone, but he sent a text and she replied. So, when he called, I think a week or two later, he was super excited that she had responded. And she told him what to do. I think it was about the road. Call this person, go and see this person, go and see. And what they then did as a community was they created a schedule. So, the three of you will go on Monday. The four of you will go on Tuesday. Five. And they kept on it. And I think after a few months, that part of the road got fixed. So, I say that to say that it's difficult work, but it starts with showing up and letting them know that you represent me and you owe me to speak to me. And your point about also teaching, we need to do a lot more about teaching people who is responsible for what. So, your gutter is not Buhari's problem. And that is primary school Buhari's problem. And so, understanding who is responsible for what, holding and engaging. And we say elections and that's part of the thing about elections, that it's a real threat to people in office because that's your your time to say that you haven't done well. We are going to vote you out. But that narrative also has a shortcoming when there are no good options. But if you have other people in the race who are then a bit more engaging and say I will do this, I will do this, it makes the choice a bit easier. But that's when people also vote by performance. And we are not voting because your hair is straight and your hair is curled. But you are yellow and you are able to be black. So, yeah. So, those are the things that are real and we can't run away from it. So, this goes back to your point. So, if we're serious about good governance and people want to deliver, then I don't really care if you're yellow or black. I just need you to get the work done. But if I don't really care and I know that you are going to give me rice and something and you are going to whatever, then those types of things or you and I will meet in church and you and I will meet in the mosque. If those things are still part of why not everybody, some of us vote, those of us that the cost of our votes are a bit higher need to be a bit more engaged and also educate like as fairs of influence. How are we engaging the people who are in as fairs of influence to understand how their votes affect their life? Yeah. So, I like that party because you kept on saying education, education. Part of one of your mandates with enough is enough is to educate and ensure voter participation. There was a lot of energy this year. I mean, the energy that happened with the elections this year, I don't think I've seen it any in the history of my voting. There was a lot of energy and like you rightly said, a lot of factors played out. The end sars, a lot of things. So, the youth were really, really, really engaged. So, how do we maintain this momentum? Because it's one thing for us to be upset now as Nigerians and we quickly just die. The energy just goes quiet. It's just like Jimmy Abadi coming every four years. You know why it now made it more obvious when Jeremy was running for the race for governorship. That's what it now made so obvious because I've been saying that that man is not serious about governorship. But everybody kept on saying no, no. I say he's not serious because now when someone who saw real competition, he was selling ice cream, he was doing different things. I mean, so, I mean, so there is the energy, the momentum that has been, you know, there's an awakening that happened. How do we maintain that tempo? I get you because there's a part of the education knowing who is supposed to do what. We don't know that one. We are very, very illiterate. We are very illiterate when it comes to political issues. That's why that politricity that Kulinawai is teaching us we are learning. But we don't know anything about governance. But I want us to also maintain that tempo because that energy that we have as young people now being really involved in what is happening, right? So they talked about voters' participation and we came out. We participated. So how do we now participate in governance, right? Ensuring that everybody that have been elected or selected, you know, those people, we are on their toes. We are making sure that we keep them on their toes. I think we need to think of ways to build community around accountability issues. So, and probably the more local, the better. So you can see results. Because if all of us are facing the president, then it's a bit harder to hold him if I want to use that word. Well, you look at government office and we can find his house. Your house of rep. I mean, at some point in time, I remember a conversation I had with, should I say his name? I was a house of rep member in Lagos and he was teasing and said, you people, you will come to national assembly and be protesting. We'll be looking at you from the window. Then when you're tired, you'll go home. I said, don't worry. The time will come when we won't come to the national assembly. It's your house. It's your house. You should have seen his face. Literally he said, she can't have my sister now, but why? Why? She's come to Abuja. No, no, Abuja is very good. You know, all of us are in Abuja. You can see all of us at once. As I know, you are my rep in Lagos. So let me just come to your house. Because literally, and if you think about it, for a protest in Abuja to have impact, you need members of people to really feel that things are happening. But in front of your house, in where you are, there's just a hundred people. I wouldn't need to shout. You just go there. Close come and sit down. You carry canned gas. They give the cook rice. In your wife's house, I would tell you, I want to go out. Can you deal with this? So that when when in small because it's smaller to manage and just begin to say that, okay, you my house of rep member, you my senator, you my local government chairman, you are projects. So what are the things that we want? Specific things doesn't have to be long. We want you to do four things. Okay. So this is the plan that we're going to have. And it's just organizing. So it's organizing at a more macro level. Number one, organizing without cameras. Because I think part of the things that ends as maybe a side effect of it is that people got used to the buzz on social media, we're on TV today, TV tomorrow. But the time you start organizing in local communities, how many times are you going to be on news? So also getting used to that level of grunt work. That you don't have to bring the camera. It's not everything that is for the grant. There's really no need. Because actually, first of all, you'll be tired because there's no grant-worthy moment today. You come back tomorrow, there's no moment again. We need something for the grant. So if the grant is driving you, you'll be frustrated. So that's as well. And a layer obviously on that is the point you made about education. Because it's in understanding whose role is what, that you then know what to demand. And one of the things as an organization we're committed to doing this year is do a bit more storytelling around success stories. Because we also realize that for when people care that citizens engaged their duty bearers and got results, it's like, oh, okay, it changes them exactly. So we want to tell a bit, because there are those stories. They might not make 10 o'clock news or whatever it is, but the stories do exist. So if we want citizens to do more, then let's show them examples of citizens who have and who have been successful actually. So how do we go about this education? Are we going to empower the media houses or individuals, companies, organizations, several platforms? So media houses, for example, so we need to decide that this democracy is important enough to them that they're willing to give some of their airtime for education. At a point in time, EIE had radio programs in 33 states. And in building those programs, in talking to radio station owners and managers, I kept saying, you cannot charge me the same thing you charge a bank or a telco. I don't make money. I'm not a profit-making organization. So I'm not declaring, if you look at their own records, they're declaring billions as profit. I run a nonprofit. I rely on the good will of others to fund the work that I do. So you can't give a telco a bill of X and give me that one. It won't work. And for me, it was a bit frustrating to have to fight that fight. I'm not, what am I selling? I'm selling citizens rights. I'm selling, no, you're right. So you don't go to jail. So why is the same person who is selling something for them to make money? You want to charge me the same thing? So I think media platforms have a huge responsibility to work with nonprofit organizations in creating. It doesn't have to be allowed. It can be 30 minutes a week or 30 minutes a day. Give something that allows citizens to be educated. That's one. Another channel is religious organizations. I tell people, Christians or Muslims, you will hear your pastor or your imam more time. At least twice a week. And that is more times in a year than you heard of Buhari in ETS. True. Very true. Even plus Buhari, for those of us in Lagos, plus your government. So if you have a captive audience like that, how are we using that? Again, you go to church or the mosque to be edified and fellowship and all of that. But five minutes of civic education, will that kill anybody? And then our school curriculum. We need to change our school curriculum. So it's part of, we are now talking about civic education and all of that. I mean, the last time I looked at the curriculum, I was like, yeah. So working with our curriculum to improve it. And I think the people who actually have the best opportunity to do that are private school owners. Because not only do you teach the regular curriculum, you also have the bargaining to add to it. And then a lot of organizations that do extracurricular activities, working with children, and maybe land on, let me land on that. Maybe we'll also start a bit earlier. So rather than focusing maybe necessarily on adults, you start at 16, 17. Yeah, we will go five year olds, yes. Just create the curriculum to, for them to be able to absorb it as basic as that. And as you grow older, you need curriculum that empowers your stage. That's very fantastic. Storytelling, I love that idea of storytelling because I think again, you know, if people see that it's possible, you know, oh, this person actually went, like you rightly said, the guy said, oh, I called and she picked. And if people see that it's possible and somebody tried it, we said, let's go to our own local government. Because I just believe that, you know, we've been fighting wrongly. You know, they say insanity is definition of doing the same thing and expecting a different result. That's what we've been doing. So why don't we, you know what, whoever you want to select or elect is not our headache. That's the thing, like let us just, no worry, you've selected yourself, no problem. We will make you do the job. And I think, you know, with what you've said now, it just makes a lot of sense. You know, as little as, okay, for instance, maybe on this road and legally, who is in charge? If there's anything, who is supposed to be declaring the gutters? Why do we have flooding and all of that? When you gather that information, three, four, five people go and knock on their door, come, let's go and let's go and pay him a visit. You know, it's very likely that you'll get more results that yes, because they don't use. I remember the first time I called my senator. Right. Hello. Are you a member of APC? Are you a journalist? No. Okay, so I really, I don't think he has that. I'm sure he was thinking I will relate to him, but he didn't ask that one. So what do you want? I was like, oh, I'm Minikeja. You represent me. And I just wanted to know how you voted on this particular bill. See, shouting. How dare you? Who are you? I say, I'm God. It's not that deep. I'm that. Now, what was interesting then was that it was obvious that nobody had ever asked him. So he wasn't used to being asked questions. I was like, sir, I'm just trying to understand because you are there voting on my behalf. So I just wanted to know how you voted and can it go. So we went back and forth a bit until I think we now came to a happy medium. And I think a few times after that, I called hello, my sister. How are you? It's how we ended the matter. But the first call was very instructive because I was asking he had never been asked and wasn't wasn't trained if you use that on how to respond. But I mean, this is probably like eight years ago or so. Things have improved significantly also because there's more awareness. Or social media in 2011, when after Jonathan's elections, and a lot of government officials came on social media, as they came, they ran. Why? Because they're used to TV or radio that's unidirectional. But on social media, especially as you are talking, they're answering. And Twitter, thank you. And Twitter at that time, I don't even know how many characters, fewer characters. So there's no time for your excellence. You can't wait. You like it. That's not true. And then so that's shocker. But then look, fast forward 12 years. You now have young people who have jobs managing those accounts. So we have made significant progress. But I think that level of engagement needs to become more than just social media. It needs to be real life. Absolutely. And I think finally for us on ways, how do we start too? Because I like this idea you talked about storytelling and educating, five minutes education and all of that. Because again, we are here live Monday to Friday. Give us five minutes. Yes. Imagine if we're able to. No. And honestly speaking, it's something that I am. And again, for us on the show is not just because we want to be on TV. Let's really hit the issues where it matters, right? So how do we even engage and partner with you? Because I love this office of the citizens. You understand? Even though some people have argued that we are not citizens. We are just existing. We are not qualified to be called citizens. But how do we partner? We are aspiring to. Yes. We are happy to provide you content for five days a week. Let us know. We'll give you content. Because we really want to engage. We want to engage the citizens. We want to engage people. Let's begin. Because all this fight back and forth, me, I've moved on. I don't cry. I don't swell up. I have told myself, I'm never going to vote again. You know? I mean, it's very, thank you very much. And we're very happy to do that. So Legos, for example, has 20 local governments. So for example, you can take a local government for a day. Highlight it. Who's the chairman? Where's the chairman's office? What's the role of a local government chairman? What are the highlights in your community? So even if that every day that you tune in, you learn something about governance. Thank you. I'm happy to provide content for that. Awesome. So we are going to be giving you content. But whether you like it or not, you must learn. So at the end of it, you cannot say you were not told. Yes. So you have the information. The fact, as you rightly said, you might choose not to use it. But you can't say you didn't. I mean, especially for those who work watchways regularly, you can't say, ah, OK, I didn't know. No. Every day we're telling you that this is what you can do and this is how you have power. Then if you even have your chairman somewhere, maybe we are not there, maybe in Hugo or somewhere, because we have a lot of colors from different parts of Nigeria, you can send us the street name. We're going to help you look for your chairman. Yeah. Because that's the whole idea. I mean, I wasn't prepared to talk about it. We actually have a WhatsApp bot. Awesome. That with your polling unit information, it will tell you everybody that represents you. So by next year, I'll share with you and you can kind of put the graphic up. Please. So it will tell you who your governor is, who your senator is, who your House of Rep members is, who your local government chairman is. And for all of them that we have their phone numbers, it will be there. But if you have your email address, we'll give it. If you have your constituency office, you'll get it. And all of it comes as a WhatsApp message. All right. Whether you like it or not, you will work. I did read you of it. That the conflict comes as a WhatsApp message. It's on your phone. Yeah. So you are not having to look. Yeah. Don't look too much. And you cannot share it with all the people in your area. Oh God. We are there for them. We are there for them. Let's come in quickly. By the time the message gets to your phone, you'll see 400, 200 times. This is Austin from Delta. For me, we need to hold our leaders accountable. But first of all, be a good citizen by holding yourself accountable too in that your little space. The social media platforms are very able to use. If the road leading to your street is washed in a way shortly after commission, then take a picture and post it. Calling out those in charge, both the government officials that awarded the contract and even the contractor, who is a political big week living in that community. Was it not true the social media that some airing police officers have been fished out and punished as we have situation room for elections? Let us create a situation room for good governors. Absolutely. We shouldn't lose hope, please. I salute your guest today. I've watched her regularly in another TV station. She's highly cerebral in her thoughts. My greetings to her, please. Thank you. Quickly. Thank you, Austin. Good evening, my dear good foosters of what are you saying has her ways. I want to believe that citizens have the right to the government that they want. That is why we have the word democracy. And that is why we have elections. If the citizens don't have the true governance that they clamored for, then they should be held accountable. And that thing is that we need to have a thorough check on the manifest of the person we are voting for and choosing. My dear beautiful statue lacks the questions. She said, are we ready for good governance? That question is very key. So good to have you and me in the studio today. It's been a while. My name is Daniel Ilo. Please, make it. Thank you, Daniel. Citizens' role in public accountability begins from our homes, families, and where the lessons of account accountabilities are taught. But today we can see lack of accountability in public spaces because of failures in our family systems and homes. Parents and guardians do not take care of how their children and words behave because they seem to close their eyes in their actions. They do not care about money, crazies, blah, blah, blah. Who cares how you become rich? Accountability must be demanded in our homes and from those we serve in public spaces. Thank you so much, everyone. Thank you so much, Mr. Molecum. We had a fantastic... And we're going to be doing citizen's agreements. There we go. Now before we go, thank you, ladies. Follow us across all our social media handles. Like, share, invite your families and friends to watch and follow the conversation. Now, if you missed our quote for today, here it is again. It is not only what we do, but also what we do not do for which we are accountable. So, everything. See you tomorrow at 8 p.m. Bye.