 Okay. Well, I'll call the meeting to order. This is the April 24th meeting of the Popular Planning Commission. We do not currently have a quorum. So this is a working group type meeting. It's not an official meeting until we have a quorum. Which means we don't need to go through official. You know, procedure. But, you know, we'll stick to the agenda as we planned. We have Aaron Kazicki here, so we're still one member short. So, you know, there's comments from the chair. I don't, I don't have any comments or anything. And it would just be like preaching to Gabe anyway. So that's seems weird. So the next, the next thing that we wouldn't normally handle is general business, which is from members of the public. It appears we don't have any of those here. So I'm going to move on along. And get right to what our agenda had said review and approval of revised webpage templates. But as that's going to turn out, it's just, you know, Aiden will give you whatever feedback we have. I don't feel like you need any official review. I know Mike wants to get going with it, but I assume we're close anyway to being being good with the template. So with that, I'll hand it off to you and tell us about the template. We'll let you know we think. Yeah, perfect. My internet is going fairly slowly right now so I tried to pull the webpage up and it was kind of glitching so if we want to review it I'll have one of you pulled up or wait until internet gets itself sorted. Unfortunately, Julia couldn't be here this evening, but I can give you kind of an update on some of the edits from last time and where we kind of got to with Mike and where we see the process going forward. So the couple of main takeaways from the previous meeting were the intro language kind of rearranging how that shows up, making it a little, oh, one second. I pulled it up for you. Okay, when you pull it up I can't see anyone anymore, which is okay. But I'll just keep talking no no no you're good you're good. It's just my computer is being weird. Anyway, but you can still hear me that's all good. So the intro language being a bit better and really introducing people to the page and then maybe also giving a little preview of some of the goals of what that chapter is highlighting. And then the other one was the some of the mapping edits making that a little bit more clear and intuitive as people scroll through that. And then moving some of the intro background style language to a section called planning context and doing some reordering there does that. And editing some of the language after the recommendations, which as you'll see in the story map we just removed completely to make sure that some of that language can show up in other parts of the chapter. And then it wasn't being misconstrued as anything that wasn't an actual policy that the city would be pursuing. Yeah, I didn't mean everything looks good so far like we had talked about it looks like maybe the descriptions of the aspirations and goals. Haven't been edited though. You see the page I pulled up right now. One second it's coming back. I can see you now but it's I'm seeing a black screen unfortunately. So, from what I was seeing earlier we had aspirations and goals but then there was no following description is that still there with the link that was on our agenda. Yeah, that is one I sent a follow up link. Okay. Great. Yeah sorry about that I sent that. Maybe Friday because I realized that we had what we had done is made a new story map page that has the updated content, and then left the old one so that if people were to say oh I liked how it was presented in the old one we would still have that design preserved. Okay, I'm working on pulling that Aaron's having a technical problem also helping with now. All good. Everything goes at once. Okay, so from you have that pulled up just do people need to share that, or is it more trouble than it's worth with agents issue. I'm looking at it so I don't need it. Okay. Well maybe I will share it just for the sake of there's public watching. Come to think of it. I don't think that enough. Okay, so, okay, so there's buttons now on the map to show the difference. So that's very clear. That's, that's cool. And yeah, descriptions gone implementation summary. So it says synergies with other plan chapters. And then on the other side of. Oh, okay. So now I see implementation summary. And, okay, so this is a different section. I see Aaron made it. That's good. So Aaron, we don't, we don't have a quorum so where this is just giving our last feedback on the template for the website. Something that was changed from last time as well. And this is sort of just a stylistic difference, mostly between Julia and I, that the intro has those photo pages that have the text. Coming down if you scroll to the top. So, yeah, people will see that title page and then as they scroll down they'll get these facts. So I'm open to feedback on on what, if people like that format or if they want to jump kind of straight to the descriptions in just text without the photos. You guys have thoughts. These, these two messages that like, as I'm trying to scroll down the page, these things are going by. I don't know I kind of like the way that it was before myself, like, I'm just a little ADD so. That's all good. That's all good. I don't tell Julia, but I do like just the text. But I understand that we do want to be, you know, photo rich and graphic rich but we can absolutely include photos, sort of within the text and make sure that people just get right to the introduction. Sounds good to me. It's a good with your. Yeah. Okay. So, in our last meeting with Mike we talked about making sure that we're finding a balance between being able to have text edits and us being able to make story map pages sort of concurrently with those. So with this one, we will provide the story map page and a word version of all the text that went into that story map page that the planning commission can edit more specifically if desired. In other chapters, once they kind of get into the same structure, we can just provide the word documents, and you'll just kind of know what to generally expect with the story map template. And so those those text edits wherever necessary can just be handled a little bit more easier than going through three different iterations between planning commission and Mike before they get updated to get on the story map. That sounds totally great. In fact, I mean I'm not sure, you know, we'll be busy doing other things I'm not sure how much time in our meetings will have but yeah, I would be happy to commit to reviewing those as they go, and then share sharing them with people to, you know, to give them a chance to go through if they want. So that sounds, that sounds, that sounds great. And, and also just just as like a tip, as far as I'm concerned, you know that we've already heavily edited the chapter language that we've given you. And so cutting and pasting from that I think is going to like if you're in doubt about what we might like just cut and paste just from that without without even trying to add it or piece it together. Yep. Yep. So getting things from the versions that we have created into this structure with area on the side of pulling in a direct plan plan chapter language that we are on board there. Yeah, that's great. Was there anything else you wanted to show us. Yeah, I think that is it I'm happy to answer any other questions or taking their feedback at this time but other than that we just expect some word versions of the next few chapters I think we're going to try to batch those, if at all possible. We're happy to take comments, either now or over the next couple days. Okay. Anybody else have anything for a. It looks, it was great to me, gave you have someone. I was just going to say, I think a and I've been like the least vocal on this stuff because I really do feel like people are just going to go to the parts that they want, but I appreciate the hard work I think it looks great and I think once everything's populated. And then we're going to get a lot of community feedback right so I think, you know getting something up that people can actually comment on is is pretty important. So great, great job in my mind. Yeah, so I think I think you do have a gist of what we're looking for. So yeah if the other the other chapters and overlays are like this, then I think we'll be good. Awesome. Well, if I don't know if there's like meeting notes created from these things Kirby but if someone could make sure that this the more updated link. I think one of those for the other planning commission members that would be great. And as I said any, any other feedback in the next few days just shoot that over to Mike and he'll communicate that. Okay, we have minutes but I don't think anyone uses the minutes to try. So, so, and there's like the staff keeps the minutes later so. I think the staff, like, don't put in a bunch of work to a link that no one's going to use. But, but yeah, I think I think other people will know I mean once you once you pointed out that you would send that link I remember that you've done that so. I don't, I don't think we'll have that problem. Awesome. Alright, well have a good night. And thanks so much. Thank you. Good evening everyone. Unfortunately, the only thing else we have to take a look at is the chapter language that I had gone over this morning. From Mike's version on public safety. Do you guys want to, do you guys want me to share that or, or pull it up individually. Yeah, I haven't had a chance to read it yet. He's gonna make a whole minute so it doesn't look like it's a ton of that. Okay, so that's good with you guys just we'll take a quick reading break and come back in a few. And it will make exhilarating TV. Okay, we'll be back in a minute. What do you think? Do you have any things to change? No, I think it's all pretty straightforward. I like. Sort of cutting the language down. That's a good job of that. So with these chapters, I don't always like the notes describing the goals and stuff I don't normally pay a lot of attention to, but this time I tried to make sure, like just in case it went up on the website, it's going to learn my lesson there. Already. Try to. Yeah, I mean, I think in the end, I think in the end, my content wise, everything is there and that's the important part. I've sort of kind of said this before, but I feel like at this point, you know, as long as we have the notes and bolts of the chapter, you know, outlined in this in the text. I think we should vote it out and see how the kind of public response we get before we kind of drill down on the word smithing too much. My sense is that we'll get constructive feedback from the public and really be able to craft the language to respond to that. And if we don't get comments, you know, we're going to cut up polishing it up. But I think, again, I think we've got the substance down. So that's what's really important. My assumption is that the will be like lightning rod places where the public gives a lot of feedback and then there's going to be places where it's not touched at all. Right. And that's why I'm always scared of kicking the worst smithing down the road because then I feel like it doesn't get done. Three years from now, both the website and I'm like, how did we, how did we do that? Like, how did we not fix this? But anyway, I get you. And that's just because because I lose my experience, you can't really predict where you're going to get the sort of lightning rod issues cropping up. Sure. And I think that there's good, you know, because there's going to be a certain amount of work to synthesize all these chapters together once we get the sweet of chapters together and there's going to be some further cutting of language, I think there's going to be a lot of redundancy and there's going to be cross references and stuff, which I think is going to probably change some of the structure anyway. But that's just, that's my approach. So I think, I think everything's good here. I think we've got everything. That reminds me of the work, I mean, we need to do the land use plan soon. And that's what we're going to be pulling to all the stuff together in one place. To do the what? I'm sorry. The land use plan chapter. Yeah, yeah. Which is pulling it all together. Yeah. Yeah, one thing with these chapters and some of this language and stuff that we've been getting lately that I've started to be focused more on because I'm starting to see a big trend is I don't like the like us in the plan where Montpelier is complimenting itself all the time. It feels like we're just very proud of ourselves and we're not interested in looking forward. And I'd rather the plan be forward looking and not back padding. Yeah, no, I think and I tend to agree with you. I think it's the messaging really ought to be laying out the status quo and relevant part of the disorder just getting the ground running in terms of what we plan to do related to whatever the chapter issues are. And again, I think this does a good job of that I agree with you I think there's been other chapters where we spend a lot of time sort of kind of laying out who we are with a bit of empirical flourish that maybe is not necessary. All right, so I guess we just have to wait for Gabe see if he's got anything to say and then. Is that it for tonight. That was it it was just the it was these two things and I mean, I think we were we were planning to vote if we had the quorum but just pick it up and quickly just ask the people who work here if they have any comments before the vote, don't need to do a whole review. Yeah. I'm just going back very quickly and seeing if I can pull up. I was there. Is there a community justice component to the text. I missed that. It's so I see it now. Yeah, he put at the bottom each time. Yeah, okay. I got the impression that sections of this were written by the entities themselves. Yeah, it just seems it seems like they were like community justice center I didn't really change much. I didn't really have a flow to it than some of the other sections. I feel like you have someone from community justice I feel current that the only thing I change is at the bottom where it explains the plan, I had one edit where the statement was that these have a long histories of success and I feel like the city shouldn't be caught telling it telling the world that the city has a long history of success you know what I mean. I just changed that to the MC JC thinks that each of these has a long history of success. And I try to change that for all the other parts to where, where we didn't try to make factual sounding claims about ourselves. Yeah, I would generally agree with that approach. We lost gate. All right, maybe he got completely pulled away. There's something in chat. No, nothing new. We may as well not take it more time with an unofficial meeting. So, let's just call it. All the game know. Great. Thanks a lot Josh for hanging out late. Yeah, no problem. What do we have on tap for the next meeting or do we have a sense of what I did because I missed last meeting so I'm not quite sure what we are. So, we're coming up. I'm not sure exactly, but we're trying to remember if there's any chapter language we haven't gotten to. Yeah, I feel like we're close. Community services or utilities one of those two might still we still might need to chapter language that we got to start doing that focusing on languages plan at some point. We're supposed to have some zoning suggestions for us sometime soon. I really doubt that'll be next time though. Website stuff should be good for a while. We'll have to see you might have to come up with something if Mike doesn't have something for us. If I come up with something is probably going to be working on the zoning stuff more to make sure that we're good to go with that. That's good. All right guys have a good night. Thanks. Great.