 Mr. Breakfast and plus CV Africa, many thanks for being part of the show and I hope you're having a great holiday. Time for us to take you through the pages of Anashu Delis, we'll call it Off the Press and Openabon Qatari joins the conversation. Openabons, good to have you join us this morning. Good morning, nice to see you, Justin and Nigeria. Good morning. Okay, I can't see you people. I can't see you people. No, we're actually working on that and we're hoping that we resolve all of that in no time, but you seem to be in a whole day mode and we appreciate that. We set off with the leadership newspaper this morning. On the front page of the leadership, you have 2023 presidency, Asarok stays aloof as aspirants battle for APC ticket. So it just probably might just make nonsense of the permutations and all of the speculations making the rounds that maybe the vice president might be the anointed candidate of president Muhammad Buhari, but that's fine. And underneath intensifies consultation, lobbying for presidential endorsement as a rider. I may see visits, I am not stepping down for anyone, says Umai, show Nigerians your legacy, coca-tales aspirant. Now these are the head, the riders underneath the boat caption, talking about the 2023 presidency. Easter, vice president Jemosibarjo, Bajabi Amila, others pray for peace. Zulam raises salary of doctors in liberated local government areas and presidency tackles weekend as more criticism trails pattern for Joshua Dariye and Jolly Nyame. Bandits kill policemen, three others abducts cause in Niger, 11,536 schools closed of our insecurity in Nigeria, UNICEF is quoted, troops killed 10 commanders, 90 terrorists in Lake Chad. These are the headlines on the leadership this morning. All right, moving away from the leadership newspaper, our next spot of call is the punch newspaper. The main story this morning, a presidency is in the news and it is saying the PDP opts for indirect, okay, the presidency of 2023 rather PDP opts for indirect primaries may prune 17 aspirants, I would sum. Riders there, consensus not about imposing candidate but reducing number of aspirants, key spokesman is quoted on that one. Neck will soon meet on many of May 29 primaries, other issues as PDP spokesperson take convention to the moon, candidate that will, when presidency will emerge, are the stories are making a front page of the punch newspaper. You voted, silent on Dariye, Nigerian tackle. All right, Osina cheese husband took her cars, left her stranded, that's the mother of the deceased. More defections looming APCS PDP was Yari, Marafa, more stories, Nigeria imports 109 billion Naira anti-malarial drugs in six months, local pharmaceuticals struggle. Let's see, we can take more presidency mom as Kuka Nox Buhari over into purity, corruption. Ista or Shiba Jogh Bajabia Mila clerics others preach hope. 15% imported vehicle levy illegal against finance act ex NAC panel member. Increasing fuel subsidy puts a Nigerian economy at high risk. The World Bank is saying 25% of 2022 capital expenditure may not be funded. That's according to economists that those are the major stories you can find on the front page of the punch newspaper away from the punch. We take a look at the Nigerian Tribune and it says Kuka to Buhari Nigerians no longer recognize their country and that's boldly written on the board. I mean on the front page of the Nigerian Tribune. You have several riders underneath the boat caption. Nothing be sure backs nothing elders and call for Buhari's resignation but it's okay to make all of those calls. That's entirely on the National Assembly and do you think that you know the National Assembly will go ahead with this if they should? Why haven't they done that? Nigeria's peace prosperity will be restored soon. The Vice President is reassuring Nigerians Yamio Sibajo and you have Bajabi Amila governor's orders call for prayers at Easter. Interesting. Why Yahya Bello's presidency will benefit the masses? This might just be very political campaigned. Examphara governor Yari Mafara dump APC for the PDP. NDLEA intercepts cocaine hidden in footwear and toothpaste at airports. It's getting very interesting and Falana takes over prosecution of Ade Doi others over the alleged mother of the OAU student. Sgt food price or food and gas prices push Nigeria's inflation rate to 15.92 percent. We're talking about double digits for seven consecutive years and it calls for a lot of concern for us as a people. And you also find the MNJTF eliminates 100 terrorists in Lake Chard. These are the headlines on the Nigerian Tribune. And finally we will review the nation news paper. What the banner caption for this morning security architecture on the reformation says presidency equities read 10 rises to 2.53 trillion Naira fund managers invest 8 trillion Naira pension cash 2023 bill ready for open contest says campaign DG if a student murder or show case Falano as prosecutor at Easter of war Pope seeks peace. Governors let's remain united. Teenable let us build Nigeria as never before. There's a pictorial there the Pope are giving a blessing to the child on Easter Sunday. Most stories are Yari Marafa head for PDP for Held in Kaduna for it kidnapped bid. All right. And finally aspirant step up governorship ticket chase Lagos PDP does some more dohati three others in race. Benway PDP deputy governor to battle speaker at one of the six acquire on a PC ticket. Abbey joins reverse race. The master DG begins consultation in Kaduna. Those are the stories you can find on the nation news paper at the front page that is. All right. Let's have open up on Katari joined the conversation this morning. It was good to have you join us. Thank you. Just saying once more. Thank you yet again. We set off with the Nigerian Tribune and it talks about the fact that cooker has said to the president that Nigerians no longer recognize their country. It talks about the security issues that were faced with as a people and several. So you have the fact that northern bishops back that northern elders on the call for the resignation of the president. I mean how many more days to the president leaving the office. The call is becoming very loud and very loud. But what are your thoughts? Well that the country is in their strength. I mean that the tenure leaders have never been distressed in the history of this country. Not even during the civil war. It's not in doubt. It comes in that's one fact that you cannot compare. Nevertheless I think the call for the resignation of the president is just to underscore the fact that Nigeria is heading slowly for setting the perennial and that the president has failed to ensure coercion, peace, unity, and most importantly to protect lives and property which is quoted to do from the May 22nd to May 22nd and May 29, 2019. So that is just to underscore that fact, that facade that fact that the president has failed. I don't think that it sincerely believes that the duary will know will ever contemplate resigning. Yes, no doubt it is in order to get out of office. No doubt because the issues of our women have never expected to be confronted with these issues. So it's in order to get out of office. No doubt. But that he's going to resign. Everybody knows that the duary wants to resign. They can bounce around him especially now that the political leaders rise up and most of them depend on him to succeed. They will not even let him resign. So the issue of resignation is completely out of the way. But it's basically to emphasize the fact that we are still at this moment. I don't think that the future will be that the president is going to resign. So I mean, just quickly, the issue of resignation that you have mentioned is out of the space for the president. He cannot. But what about the other option? That would impact it on the speaking with him. It's a pretty delusion to think of that. So how about the issue of impeaching the president? The president has always been in peace, not always once or twice. Sorry, let me just use this opportunity to answer this. I finally make a mistake while we're talking about impeachment. Impeachment is not a mover. Impeachment is not an indictment process that leads to removal. But most times we say impeachment is a mover. No, impeachment is an official indictment. So I believe what you're talking about is removal. It's impeached by the National Assembly and then removed. On a few occasions here, but the National Assembly of today and the Robert Stam's Assembly will not have the government to muster the required constitutional number to remove the president from office. That again would be another damn emotion. The National Assembly, especially now that you have the ATC in majority in the National Assembly, and the decision is that president has a father that even when he goes to work, he can just be talked to or appealed to to have a change in attitude or action and not to be even politically escalated. If you look at this National Assembly, that is the kind of National Assembly where it is not like the Santa Cruz National Assembly. It is not like the Alcaldibus National Assembly and the National Assembly in the past. This is just one of the National Assembly. And it will not have that mayor, that gunsome, that bed to remove the president from. It will not even commence the process of the impeachment. It will not even commence it. So that again, it's taking me too far. It is addressing the National Assembly world rules. It will not. Not that it doesn't have the constitutional power, but it doesn't have the gunsome to solve it. All right, let's stay with the Nigerian Tribune. All the stories are making headlines. Just to both of them, the must-have. Messi and I, we were chatting about it now, doing top trending. It's like there is no end in sight with the war without the captioning that is the Tribune. War without end between Tinnabu or Shibajo supporters. And they are talks of the vice president being a Judas. What are your thoughts this morning, Opunabu? Well, look at this program on the sister station. Wendy, I tried to analyze when they referred to the vice president, Judas and Peter. And I just laughed. At the time, Opunabu, a lot of what happened there, right now is impression that Tinnabu was instrumental to the idea from the vice president of Simanda's vice president. That is quite wrong. He was actually a bastard. He was more or less poised there. The courage you go to Akande and Heraf and let them say, oh, that is one major fact. Now, having said that, the vice president, it is his constitutional right to also fight. Is it because he was Tinnabu's commissioner? I told you, they have pressure for justice. So, therefore, he should be stripped of every order, right? Not to contest. That is unfair. It is the wish of a father to allow the strong, the wish of everybody to allow the strong to be greater than it. So why would Tinnabu be that strong? Why would they go center? Which is why you said it's the Judas. Thank God we are not talking of resurrection of Christ. Best for the betrayal of Judas, the one time in salvation. We would have been celebrating the resurrection of Christ. Are people talking about that? That's another way. Christ has to be betrayed for us to be saved. So if Tinnabu has to be betrayed, because it's part of Nigeria's problem. So if he has to be betrayed for Nigeria to be saved, why would we want to condemn him in the back? We criticize Peter for denying Jesus. Yes, but don't forget, that same Peter we criticize as you are is the foundation of the church. Yes, it is the Christ Peter for denying Jesus. If these things are not taking place, in every way Christ himself said, Lord, it is possible for this to pass away. It is what I shall drink of it. Christ, at a point, was no longer willing. Let us not be fanatic about these things. God, I don't believe the clergymen deceived our great-grandfathers because they could not be. This is a fact that I could put to leave. Stop telling me about spiritual interpretation. No, sir. The truth about it is that Christ, at a point, was not willing. Even though the Cosmos father, we have done forsaken me. Guys came in two forms. Human form and spirit. And he had no choice. Because he wanted to come to pass. Well because he thought death didn't happen. He had to drink. He had no choice. And even if these things are not taken place, would not be talking about salvation in Christ himself. Would not be talking about salvation. These things have to do with it. So let us not delve on damn this people. I was going to say that I am not going to give you any information. These things we are meant to have, you never even do that, return the money, and hang themselves. They committed suicide. These things we are meant to have. If they are not they are destined and able to have. So they don't have control over me. So they are meant to have control. So in that sense, I will say that I don't have control over what I am doing. Let's delve into some of the things that you have mentioned. As much as we are going to move away quickly from all of that. But you also need to understand it. It was not categorically stated that Judas himself would be the one that would betray Jesus. And so there was no name. Yes, yes. Judas was not the one to betray Jesus. There was no specific God. But we put him to the science of all things God. So he knew who was to betray him. And don't forget, he turned and looked at Judas. If you remember, he turned and looked at Judas. Oh yeah. So he knew. So he knew. So let us know if I have to call about all of this. When they call, like, like, like, like. If they don't pay your taxes, they don't pay your taxes. Alright, let's hear this move on now. Open up on Kotaria. You can do it with your parents. That is another form of pay tax. Alright, let's move on. We need to move away from this, right? You also have the issue of the presidency on the leadership newspaper. 2023 presidency. Acer Rock stays aloof as aspirant battle for the APC ticket. It means that, you know, the president or the presidency, no one is actually concerned. And you need to see the calibre of persons that have declared their intentions or have indicated interest to be coming. The president, of course, he has to be on the, you know, seeking the presidential ticket at the time at the party level. And so the presidency is not really involved in all of that. So how do you see all of this pan out with all of the persons that have showed interest? Now, who told you this? Not only one would have just acquiesced in this guesstimation by calling it the conjecture from nobody's show, but from the president's interview, if you remember, he said it was asked by channels. And he said he has the person disclosed his act. If he discloses the act, then it's going to be the case. So that doesn't give the need for any further proof that the president is interested. Definitely the president will be interested in who succeeded. Definitely. I mean, if you full-handedly don't think that the president will not be interested in who succeeded, definitely he's going to be interested in who succeeded. And that's why every body wants the president or not. On the platform of advocacy, they want the president or not. Because whether we like it or not, where we have some level of order, say the president, I know. I said the president, I know. The body language of Mr. President, you very much understand, also affects the voting process. I'd like to do these official, those those that are loyal. So there is no way the president will isolate himself, will remain aloof. It is not possible. They will want somebody that will succeed whether for positive or negative business. Positive business, I said, oh, I believe I have done well. I want somebody that will continue to progress, or a negative business, somebody that will come and help all my ineptitude, my mafisa. So whether for positive or negative business, Mr. President will be interested in his success. So nobody to come and tell Mr. President that Mr. President is aloof. That is the clear case of Mendocino point. It cannot be aloof. He has also alluded to that fact. When he said the president is not his son, well, he would know he was not going to disclose that entity because that would be traumatizing the life of that person. So how are you going to... Open up, Alcatario. Who do you think that the president might be interested in? I mean, I'm just trying to put you on that spot. Sorry, sorry. So who do you think the president might be interested in if you say that? That the president cannot not be interested in who succeeds him. And so the question now would be, who do you think the president is interested in and succeeded him? I believe the president is interested in the man whose identity he has refused to disclose in order not to traumatize the life. So... Well, the way out of that... That can be political this morning. All right. Let us move on. Interesting stories on the front page of the punch. Let's see which one we can take. Interesting. So PDP helps for indirect primaries. May prune, 17 aspirants. Also interesting is the fact that the reactions are trailing the pattern that was given to Daria and all the Nigerians. The punch caption said this way. You forwarded Alamecia's pattern, silent on Daria, Nigerians. Tackle. Keiyamu, how do you react to that particular one? Open up. Which part of that... There are three questions now. Let us start with the pattern that happened not too long ago, given to Daria. Okay, the pattern. Yes. Well, you know, we are approaching the crunch time. Politics. It's all about politics, you know. And APC is going to pardon Daria. APC is going to pardon Daria. APC is going to pardon Daria. APC is going to pardon Daria. So there is this possibility that this person is going to be loyal to the party. That is my own thinking. You know, you are a migration, you are a migration. Because I cannot decipher the rationale behind that pattern. They won herself four years, they won herself six years ago to start giving the sentence. The sentence to me, it was too mild for the offense committed. A man stills one goat. The sentence to five years in prison. A man stills ten years in prison. The sentence to two and a half years. Another one year you've gone under. What method are you sending to other? You know, the general need right now is, okay, I'm going to steal 100 billion. When I steal 100 billion, I am going to save 20 billion for judiciary. I'm going to save 10 billion lawyers, SAM, then another 2 to 3 billion for this. Then I still have at least 60 billion. That's okay. If I wait for four years and come out and I have 60 billion, that's how people think these days. That's the truth. That is the truth. But if you go in, 10 years, 13 years, you come out and you're stripped of everything, everything would have cried. You go. I tell it myself, as a parent, they will come out, they see all the story, definitely the proof of Christ, after a while, they release. Four years. But the man who stole those goods and cows have been languishing there. I wasn't trying for 16 years. I wasn't trying. Then the case will go on for another four, five years. Then it will be jailed for 10 years. Because it's a format. Is it the rule? I tell you that we live in a country where the ten percent of justice grows safely. The rule of law is clear. There's no justice. Run with some money. Run with some money. Why would such cases come out? Why? After how many years? You stole how many billion? Then you spent three, four years in prison. And no, I did such a thing that I can bet you. They are not like other business. No, they are not. They receive phone calls. They receive visitors in the night. They might even take them to their house to sleep. We prescribe all that. Or put them in a place, air-conditioned. They might even sleep in the control office. Or get out. And the money they pay them out to show the world that they are free to sleep. That is all going on in this country. But how do you expect us to have a change? But what do you really... I don't know if you are condemning it. Open up on Qatariya. Would you really blame that president? Because if you look at it as a constitutional concern. Section 175 of the constitution talks about the prerogative or pattern of presidential pattern. If I would blame the president. If I would blame it on the president. Isn't it messy? No, but I'm saying how do you... I mean, it's not... He has the right. I mean, he has the... He's been giving the right to choose. And it's within his jurisdiction to choose... You have just answered. You have the question. And you answered. No, no, I'm saying... No, I'm saying that should you blame... Should you blame the president? The question open up on Qatariya. You have the question. Let me ask. Now, if we should blame the president. People said it's a council of things. Not the president. The president. They say, oh, you can't blame the president. But we all know the body language. Number two. It is a right. That you should exercise with a lot of wisdom. Your discussion of a judge to advocate on an issue and deal with it as prescribed by the law when you have between five and seven years in prison. Now, it's in the right of the judge to choose between the five years and seven years. Now, the governing of the facts will determine whether it's going to be five years or it's going to take the maximum of seven years. But that right must exercise intelligently. That's the point you have made. Well, how do you define intelligence? Open up on... No, nobody's saying you have to do that. But we are saying you have to have sentimental ground. Because you cannot define... You cannot define... That's the point you have made. Open up on Qatariya. Yes, yes, yes. So, I mean, as much as you're saying that the point is you can't even define if the constitution give the president the powers. How do you not define what is morally right and at the point where the president should act rational? Because it's within his discretion. And so for the president down, I mean, freeing or having to grant pardon to these governors, that of terrorist act. I mean, the president is acting within his own discretion. Now, let me have some now. Come on, let's see. Go ahead. Thank you. Ma, when you talk of right, presidential power is the prison of Mr. President. Nobody is disputing that power. But how it is being exercised is what is emission. I give you an example now. If you say for example, you have civilized clients, you have people of power. Prisoners who are released on parole, certain indices are taking into consideration the gravity of the offense, the attitude of the prisoner, how he conducted himself while in jail, and so many other indices. That is what is taking into consideration. In this particular case, we are talking about work. We are not talking about murder. When you say that a man has endured the same and penetrated the authority, he has now been lost. We are talking of work. We are a man's told ex-amount of money. No problem. It is your right. But when you grant him this paddle, I don't forget. What is granted paddle? He is completely charged of all his sins and has the same right as you do. Now you grant him paddle. He comes out, goes back. What is that? Generally, I will tell. Tomorrow, what will the next sitting governor do? He will stay. He will now stay one trillion. We now know in this country how this paddle is being granted. He is the sister. What he actually wanted to see was five hundred billion. Why is he making it one trillion? He knows he is going to spend five hundred billion to ensure after two, three years he gets that paddle. We are the deterrent there. Why not allow the staff to attend? Why not? What is so special about the paddle? The fact that you can grant the president five hundred dollars, there was nothing more present. Who they said is God's? That's what God's message is for. We all know that. What is the rush in granting this paddle? What? What do you stand to benefit? What are the advantages of granting this paddle? Some have just one or two more years to go. Why not allow them to spend all their time in prison as a visitor by the God's? What is the rush? Why grant them paddle? That's why it's a discretion. All right. Nobody said what he did. Nobody said what he did is ultra-violent. The decision is right. The decision is right to so do. But we are looking at the most devilness in that aspect. It's because it has a discretion. When you are given a discretion, I understand the point you are putting out. But when you are given a discretion, a discretion that does not have you don't have clauses around it. There are no do's and don'ts and what you are expected not to do. It's a discretion. And so it's totally under constitution. You can't blame him. That's his discretion. Because it is believed that the man that would exercise the discretion will be do so intelligently. That's why. But that might just be his intelligence. Open up on Qatariah. That might just be the president's intelligence. And that's why a discretion is a discretion. And you can't explain it. All right. Thank you so much. All right. Thank you so much. What's a very big thank you for all of your thoughts. But before we go, we still have some time, right? Let's just take care of one more. It's always in the heart to send me away. We are dwelling so much on that issue to discuss. Let's take all the stories now. The president, like I said before, let's talk on this PDP opt-in for indirect primaries. May prune 17 aspirant. Is that a good development right now in direct primaries for the PDP presidential polls? Well, it is the party's discussion. The electoral act impiles your three moves into the party. The best thing any party will do right now is to adopt the modus operandi that will show victory at the general election. So, probably they will sit down to get an agree. We all know the direct primaries that we all know the benefit of direct primaries. We all know the benefit of direct primaries. But the same direct primaries, that means one or two persons won't doubt about that. We'll definitely want to influence those with the financial watchers who want to influence. And if you have that financial watchers with the numerical strength in terms of delegates now, we're not talking of the masses in terms of delegates now, well, fine. That's what we're going on. And so we want to sell their conscience in the daytime there will be at night they are doing something else. But for somebody else. Lots of interest. So that none can be caught because of all the accused of being the judas. If the resurrected they find the political power to be the judas. None can be accused of being the judas. So when it is indirect, how do you know? When it is direct, you will know. If it's consensus, well, consensus, as the name implies we all agree to produce a candidate. We all know the programs associated with consensus candidates. So a lot of them will offer indirect which is the safest landing point especially if you want to win. It's the safest landing point. So a lot of them will offer indirect. But if the parties excluded with that if they so decide it's not going to be decided I want one. Not even the national chairman can so decide. The net will decide, the party will decide and then they all are going to be fine. Then they'll bring up their best if producing a candidate that they believe will not be getting the party the softest in the digital election. All right. Many thanks for being part of the show this morning. We appreciate your time always. Thank you. Do have yourself a wonderful holiday. 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