 and welcome back to the First Time Homebuyer Show. As you know, I'm your host, Estie Klaas, and we've got amazing content coming to you live every weekday this week. We've got someone doing guacamala with the private property podcast. That's live at 7 p.m. On Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube. And of course, Chad Vavuras travels around in Zanzi Johannesburg, looks at gorgeous mansions, to townhouses, to beautiful apartments in Hyde Park. That is live every Friday and Monday at 8 p.m. And let's not forget the First Time Homebuyer comes to your screens every Wednesday night at 8 p.m. And of course, Mbali comes to your screens with the farming podcast every Tuesday and Thursday evening at 8 p.m. And without further ado, this evening I'm sitting with the absolutely amazing man, extremely passionate about property, his real estate journey, fairly new, but he's gotten into it and he knows the ropes, and he's here to show us how to do it, and also the pros and the cons of the property industry and even just buying property to begin with. Good afternoon, Tumilo, how are you? Hi, Estie, nice to meet you. Thank you for the kind words. Oh, another young guest, guys, another young gentleman. Tumilo, you're 26 years old. You've been in real estate for about two years, you said. How's that been? And also, actually, let's, before we even get there, why property? Yeah, so I've just slowly grown a passion of property. I think it's something from an early age I always wanted to do, wanted to be a part of, primarily the property and just property development, I think just my ultimate goal is just to build generational wealth and legacy, and I think having a building out there that's built and you see it there and just like, I was a part of that, I built that, I made that, that's something that I wanna have and carry for my family and for generations to come. So I think that's the main drive for me going to property, but also I think it makes sense. Property is a good investment to invest in finances and things like that, so yeah, that's why I choose property. And there's something so powerful about a tangible generational wealth or tangible asset. Exactly. That you can leave behind, it's like leaving a legacy, but it's there and people can see it and people can access it, so I love that. And I wanna end off with that question actually about generational wealth and financial freedom, because you said that's your ultimate goal. Exactly. Right, so what are you actually doing to reach that ultimate goal? So basically it's just building my portfolio in my property sector. Right now I'm starting off as a real estate agent. Something long before I didn't think it's something I do, a lot of times when people think about property, when they think about property investment, they think it's all about just purchasing a property, getting a tenant or house flipping. And sure, those are things that I sort of looked into doing in beginning my whole portfolio, but you can start from the ground and you can start being a property practitioner like your real estate agent and from there, you'll be able to learn and have these networks and people like contractors and all those people there in the industry as well. It helps you learn, it helps you grow. So that's how I'm sort of starting my journey. So I'm doing real estate and I wanna qualify to be a principal real estate agent that way you're able to trade under your own name instead of under a franchise or a business. And then that way as well as I can form my own property development company as well, be able to meet with other contractors, your Bowen properties, how they sort of, that's sort of the ultimate goal, that's sort of the business that I wanna go into. So that's how I wanna build my sort of generational wealth and then be able to support my family. I think, especially as a young black man, a lot of things we do our first time, you know, we're the first to go to varsity, we're the first to be doctors in our families, to be lawyers. So I would also be that one to build that generational wealth for my family. And for you, of course, it's also you're the first, right? Exactly, exactly. I love that. Also, I wanted to take it back to how you spoke about, cause you're very passionate about development. I feel like development is your underlying goal and everything relies on that. So how will you introduce to property to begin with? Well, see, that's the thing. And I think, you know, we'll talk about obviously the organization that I'm a part of. Yeah. But a lot of times when you're young, you're not exposed to such things, right? I was really exposed into property and property development in 2017. I had a friend, he was reading at the time, a very famous book, Rich Dad Poor Dad Robert Carlson. And then in the same year, there was these property workshops that, you know, you bring, you pay in like a week long workshop. You pay to attend and basically train you on ways how to enter property investment, whether it's just buying and flipping houses, whether it's from the ground up property developments, or just buying a property for rentals. So those are sort of the workshops we went to. So, you know, at the time, I couldn't afford it, but I was grateful now to have a friend who could help me, you know, pay for the ticket. And so I attended and from there, that's what I knew what I wanted to do. And probably more into property development because I just liked the idea of building something from the ground up, you know. That's how I feel, you know, it's the legs I want to do. I think if you look now in 10 years back, the waterfall precinct was nothing but dust. But now what has turned out to, it's something that's so great and it's something that I also want to build. So I think that's why, that's the underlying thing. So yeah, around 2017, that's when, you know, I was more aligned and more into, you know, the property development aspect of it. Let's take it to the organization. And before we even get there, could you tell our audience a little bit about the organization and what exactly they did for you? Yes. Well, so the organization is called Youth in Property Association, YEPA in short. We're an MPO. We established actually in 2017 in Cape Town. And what we're doing and what we're aiming is to transform the property industry. And how we do it, we want to increase the active participation of the youth, primarily the black youth in the property sector. And we do that by creating opportunities in your employment, in your entrepreneurship, as well as in education. All right, so they formed in 2017, right at the times when my passion in property was forming. And you know, what they did for me and what I want to do for the rest of the youth in our country is one, bring awareness into the property sector, right? And in careers in the property sector, like I said, a lot of times when we think about that, we just think about property investing and buying property. But there's so many careers around the property sector. One, there's also important is what you can study, right? So instead of your traditional doctors, we're giving more opportunities in your field of study. So what I do primarily in the organization is I work with grade 11s and grade 12s right around in the high school, right at the time when they think about career paths and what they want to study. And I present to them obviously these opportunities in the property sector. We also want to partner with organization to offer bursaries. And what we also do is we do job-shedding programs as well. So that's part of what the organization do. And you also want to give access to people in the property sectors in terms of your property conferences, which most of the times are very expensive too. So we offer discounted off free tickets for people to be in these spaces. So yeah, that's the meat of what we do. Right. And over the four years we've grown tremendously, we have over a thousand members. Oh wow. And now we've also secured a sponsorship with Liberty 2 degrees. And we've also been in relations with Sa Poa, your property sector, Council, you know, all those things. And I think it's a great initiative. I particularly love that you work with the youth, grade 11 and 12. It's such a prime time for kids to make those final decisions, right? What was the biggest lesson you've learned from them? I think the biggest lesson is that these young people are actually curious. Yeah. And you know, being able to provide this information, this information that they want. And I think also just coming back to how I grew up when I was in high school. Yeah. These are things that I would have wished would have happened to me. Happened to you, yeah. And I think that's why I'm so passionate about it because I know there's a need for such things. So yeah, they're very curious people. In that sense, you find more people who actually then realize how passionate they are about property and things they want to do. And I think that's the beautiful part about it. Just engaging with them, bringing awareness, educating them about it. Yeah, I think the biggest lesson is that people are curious, they want this information. And I think it's good that we are in this position to be able to do that. And to introduce them to something that they thought they may never, ever come across or maybe 10 years later. I love that. So what's the biggest lesson you've taught them? I'm sure you're teaching them lots of, to them it's obviously a big lesson every day or when you're with them, but something that maybe stood out to you and that you remember. I think it's just put yourself out there. I think that's one of my most important lessons. Just put yourself out there, whatever opportunity they come across, grab it with both hands and grab it tight. I was like that before, not just in your career, but in your sports and things like that. And meet new people, engage with people. Network. Network, exactly. That's one of the business, especially leaving your high school, going into your varsity, I think that's something that's very important. People that you're gonna be in classes with, they're gonna be future leaders and CEOs and things like that. So it's good to build that network, right? You guys are all in the same level in order to work better and collaborate in the future. Tamela, when was the time when you took that piece of advice and applied it to your own life? I think for me, I did it at a very young age. I did it on high school, all the way to varsity. I think the other question is, when did that sort of now fall back? Correct. No, because of your challenges in school, in varsity. You tend to be a bit more reserved now because of the challenges you're facing in life. But yeah, I've been like that from high school and I'm trying to continue that and take my own advice. And I think that's why I'm in sort of like platforms like this. Exactly. I'm putting myself out there and bringing awareness and just showing people that you can achieve things that you want to put your mind into. I love that because I feel like, even just talking to you just before the show, there's so many things that you have gone through that I've taught you lessons. And I love, especially the fact that you're giving back. Off topic, and you're probably not gonna be prepared for this. But a question I wanted to, if someone came to you and was like, hey, what's your story? How do you respond to that? Like, where do I start? Yeah. Where do I start? I mean, obviously not to get too personal. Of course, yeah. Yeah, I've had my struggles. I look, I think my sort of journey to where I was to now, I've always been sort of in a straight path. Oh yeah. It was pre-planned from high school. Yeah. I went to high school, dual in high school, a private world, a varsity. So I was accepted in UCT, studying electrical engineering. And yeah, in your first two years being there, well, okay, then things started being bad. And now you talk about your mental health as well. So it's been a tough journey. And I think also what I did not understand before, in my family and coming up to when you're an adult and you start understanding situations was, you know, we're not well off. Right. I was in varsity mainly because of a burgery. Right. If I did not have that, I wouldn't have had that opportunity of education. You know what I mean? So being struck by those realities also like really hit hard. Yeah. But I've always been to myself just never to give up. Stay true to who you are. Stay true to your ambitions because I knew I'm a very ambitious person. Yeah. You know, there's a lot of things I want to achieve in my life. And although you get your very tough years, your very tough things, you must never give up, keep pushing, keep focused. And yeah, I think I'm still growing, I've been learning, but I think I'm at a stage now where I understand better how to handle sort of tough situations and how to make that grow you instead of put you down. Exactly. And I think that's such a beautiful message because we have quite a lot of young viewers watch the show and I think, you know, keep pushing. I know it sounds very easy to say. It's so much easier to say than to do, you know, because you do get those moments that you know there are kids in university who just feel demotivated every single day and we don't know how to just get up. But I think, yeah, you're right. If anything, we need to learn to tell ourself. A lot of the times on the show, we talk about self-empowerment and knowing thyself in order to even start up. And property and self, you feel like they're so far apart, but you know, if you don't know who you are or what it is that you want even, you know, your short-term, long-term goals, how do you reach your property goal on that note to me at all? Yeah, so yeah, I mean, you said it perfectly. Yeah. When is the time for us to discover ourselves and what to do and what we would love to do, you know what I mean? And I think part of my journey and part of being here by is, I'll be able to go to these kids and tell them, look, it's okay to take risks. Exactly. It's okay to explore and find thyself and empower yourself and that's how you grow. And it's also okay to make mistakes. Yeah, oh yeah. Make mistakes in life, but that's how you grow, that's how you learn and you better yourself. And to not like beat yourself up about it. Exactly. You know, a lot of the times we make this mistake and we give up completely. Yeah, do that all the time. Oh really? Yeah, no, you beat yourself up. Yeah. But like I said, just having that mentality which is never giving up and just staying strong, you'll get through those times. Exactly. And they are good times, they are good times, they are great times. So you will get there. I wanted to actually, this is again off topic, characteristics that you've learned, you know, from being in the organization because hearing you talk, the one thing that came to mind was patience which is so difficult. What other things have you picked up that one needs to again, to develop thyself? Characteristics we need to have in order to keep pushing and to reach our property goal? I think one of the important things is having support or seeking support and help. Yeah. You can't do all this thing by yourself. Yeah. Unfortunately, I've tried, I've been a very independent person myself, that's how I grew up. But, you know, seeking help doesn't make you feel weak. Exactly. That also part of empowering yourself because you can go to someone who is more experienced who also has had those sort of challenges and speak to them and get support from them. So I've learned that yeah, support is something that's very important. Yeah. Not to keep to yourself, it's good to ask for advice, it's good to ask for help. You know, mentoring I think is something that's very, very vital. When you're in your varsities, when you're in your high school, even when you're working. Right. So yeah, I think that's one of the lessons that I really learned is the support is very important. Sorry, listening to you speak brings up all these gems because I literally, you know what I, because now I feel like giving the youth advice, I'm ready. Another thing is that we don't, there are mentors everywhere we go. And because I was just listening to you, I'm like, oh wow, actually, you know what? You could be the next mentor for someone else. And every space that you're in, there's someone who can mentor you. You know, it's just about asking for help. And we're so afraid to do that because also, you know, there's ego. Yeah, I mean, it's not even just about asking, it's also having access to such people. And what the organizers want to provide, we provide sort of events where we put your CEOs of these large companies, you know, people who are in high profile business and put them in that same room with you. Exactly. And you're able to meet and interact with them. And that's how you also get mentorship, you know, that's how you build relationships. And like I said, it's about putting yourself out there. So there's no, you say you don't have a mentor, but you're not there out seeking for a mentor. Exactly, exactly. And it's a trial and error thing. It's not the first one you meet is someone that can be a mentor, you know, someone that can relate to you better, someone, you know, can speak to you better, can, you know, understand sort of your struggle, those are sort of things. And it's a trial and error thing. Exactly. And the more people you meet, the more likely you get. Seek and you shall find. Before I get to my last question, I just want to say again, once again, thank you to properties.com. We are in Santan Hotel Apartments for giving us this beautiful space. I mean, the view behind us, city of gold, literally definition of Egorli. So to me, we spoke a lot about people, you know, short-term, long-term goals. And I know that you're working towards something which is amazing. You've got your end goal. What would you say is your short-term goal? My short-term goal now is to sell a lot of properties. And that's not so fair. You know, in the real estate. Yeah, I mean, look, like you said, I've just been two years in here. I've learned a lot of people who've been here for five, six, eight years, and how successful they be. So I'm short-term, medium-term, is to be a really successful real estate agent. I think especially in that sector, we don't get a lot of young people in it. True, true. So I want to give that sort of different feel, different diversity, you know. You know, there's just a reboot in that industry and just put that young element into it. But yeah, just to be successful in the real estate agency, as well as just get my qualification and be a principal estate agent. Yeah, like you said, y'all are popping up a lot, eh? These young real estate agents doing the things. So yes, you know, you did say, oh yes, a lot of the young estate agents are popping up, which is amazing. And because you work with a lot of young people as well, you know, in the organization, what is some of the feedback that you get from the grade 11s and 12s when you're done working with them? Yeah, look, positive feedback. I think, like I said, these people are curious beings and I think when they see opportunity ideas, they feel really appreciated. We also target, you know, not just any schools, like underprivileged schools as well, when they don't have access to such. And we do our presentations there. So we get to reach out to them and I feel like being able to get out there and stuff is, they appreciate it a lot. So they want to do a lot more with us, which is good. But also just in the real estate agent space as well, because as you say, a lot of them are popping up. So I was fortunate enough to be in the real estate industry summit and a lot of people really watched that show and I got approached by people in that industry who are saying, you know, how can you, you know, build that sort of awareness and build that sort of interest in that sector for young people. So I'm talking to a lot of people who are, you know, asking for my input and how they can in their sort of sectors and where they are be able to build that interest for young people. So I think the feedback is good. We are a fairly young organization, but we do want to grow and big and just, you know, reach out to the rest of the country. We currently operate in Cape Town and in Joburg, but we want to, you know, in future be in Durban and put Elizabeth in the Northwest, you know, all these other people and just reach out because I really think there is a need for this. So yeah. If anything, it's great that they're curious, you know, there's interest. There's interest. There's hope and I think hope is so, that word hope is so important because a lot of, like you say, you know, you work in underprivileged communities and a lot of these kids come from homes where we lose hope. Exactly. And to get someone like you come in, you know, to just remind us that wait, my dreams are attainable. I can reach them. They're valid. Yeah, they're valid. And also just on that note of short-term goals and long-term goals, right, you have a long-term goal. You said, you know, become the principal. And is there anything else with regards to, I'm going to bring it back to you now as a person. You're right. You know, like to me, what is your long-term goal? Yeah. So long-term goal is financial freedom, is your generational wealth, is leaving a legacy. I think I like using the example of, you know, like the Mahbunin Precinct and how they've developed in the city of Joburg. And it's a thought that I had in my head is, you know, around the world, there's always these big metropolitan, these big cities, you know, like New York's, your London's. And then you look at our Johannesburg CBD and you're like, there's potential for that, you know? So one of my very big ambitious sort of goals is to redevelop CBD of Joburg and to become, you know, sort of that hub, that metropolitan, you know, you know, good access to accommodation offices, transport, that it's safe as well. Those are the sort of things that, you know, I want to look into doing. So that's sort of like my long-term goal. But yeah, the main thing of it is just leaving a legacy. I like that. I also like that you've got a kind of province that you're focusing on and this is your goal. Your goal is here. And yeah, and again, you know, valid, your dreams and your goals are valid, too, my love. Thank you. I wanted to talk a little bit more about, because we still, I want to play a little game with you. You know, time is also getting coming to us. You know, I know that you've only been in the real estate industry for about two years now. Actually, before I even ask that question, you started during the pandemic. What, I know that it was obviously a very difficult time to start, right? So looking at when you started to now, let's talk about that journey and is it better? Has it improved? Are you more excited about being in this industry now? How is that, that shift? Yeah, so like, yeah, I did start right in the heat of a pandemic, which was crazy. It's a crazy thing to start something telling you at that time, and it was difficult. And I think as well in the property, in the real estate industry, a lot of times you learn as you go. And if you're not exposed to the day-to-day operations of real estate, then you're not learning. So it's more about taking initiative yourself and finding ways on how to sort of, you know, learn the industry and grow. And going into the following year, I mean, things are a lot better. But I've also seen how the industry itself has evolved because of the pandemic. You know, a lot of things which were impossible to do can now happen online. You know, I mean, one of the important thing about my industry is meeting people face-to-face. When you wanna buy a property oriented, you obviously wanna have a look at it. So what happens when now you're not able to do that? Does now everything stop? But no, there's been very good initiatives like your virtual tour, 3D sort of videos that you get on your listings. Now people can look through that. We've now made paperless contracts now that you can sign. So you no more have to sign things, you can all be sent online. So there's been a very big shift technologically, which has been good, which has been needed. And yeah, but it's been much better. I think now that things have been better, it's been more of a learning curve. Because now when I'm seriously into the industry and learning about it, and I think I've been doing pretty well. And I'm sure you're learning new things every day because you come from working from home, working from behind the screen, to finally being on the ground. And you're obviously learning things about yourself as well. Exactly. What is it that this job has taught you about yourself? That I'm not as patient as I thought I was. No, look, it's a patient game. Yeah. You know, it's a very demanding job as well. I operate in the Bryson and Rosebank area, but sometimes I meet clients from Boning, Cosmo in Ranberg. So it's diversifying, be able to be accessible. And I think communication as well is very important in the line of business. And yeah, that's the big thing about us, especially closing the deals. And yeah, being informative as well, being with the current times, especially now with the markets, obviously the markets now haven't been how they are because of the pandemic. So it's trying to understand those things as well. So yeah, but it's a patient game, it's a very demanding game, but I love my job. So I don't mind working Monday to Monday. You don't mind teaching yourself to be patient. I don't mind teaching myself to be patient. I don't mind learning these things. Exactly. I like that. I want to find out a little bit, let's take it back to our first-time home buyers, you know, those new property investors who are trying to take that leap of faith and make that move. Within the short time that you've been in here, you've seen mistakes, you've seen achievements made that were out of this world. What were some of the mistakes that you think first-time home buyers should look out for? Yeah, no, I think what comes to mind is the terms of the affordability, right? You know, of affording the home, how, if you afford it or not, I think one very good advice is to always have a pre-qualification. Oh yeah. And I say this because I'd be going to a viewing on one of the properties that you're interested in and it's worth two million and you're happy, you're excited and you want a sign and then when it comes to that, we find out that you can't afford. You know what I mean? So I think it's very important to get a pre-qualification, know what you can afford. Another mistake is when you're buying a home, you're not just, the listing price is not your only expense, right? There's transfer costs. There's attorney costs. When you own a home, you need to pay rates in Texas per month. You need to pay levies. So you need to know all those things as well to take account for your affordability, right? If you have one million in the bank, you don't need to buy one million right now. Because there's those expenses. So that's another mistake that they make. They buy a home and they find out that rates are this much and then they can't afford it. So that's also very important. Also, do your due diligence. I think when looking and buying a home, don't just view it once or twice and then you're ready to buy it. Go for the first time or the sixth time. It's very important, especially when you're buying your older homes as well. Do your checks. It's highly advised. Once you get that home with those issues, it becomes your problem now. You can't go back to the sale and be like, oh look, your house is falling apart. It's now your home. You need to deal with it. So that's one of the sort of mistakes that people make. They just go run into it and then they end up having these issues that were there before. And yeah, I think those are some of the mistakes that come into my mind. I think the other thing is also, first time buyers going into investing, again, it's important to do your due diligence. There's no point in investing in a home and it's running at a loss because now your rental is not low enough, right? You need to make sure you do that homework. It needs to be worthwhile for you, especially when you're going to investing. So yeah. All I heard was you need to have patience. You need to have patience. I think what we repeat quite often on the show is that property is not a short term. It's not a short term. It is a long haul thing. Take your time with it, even if it's your first home or if it's your first investment and you're right, be smart about, do your own research. Take the time to take that step and go do your own research. I love the fact that you brought in first time investors as well because there are a lot of times when first time home buyers automatically become investors, exactly. My question is the pros and the cons of purchasing your first home. Also some advice for some of our first time buyers or first time investors that are watching. Sure. So like I said, one of the biggest cons is property is expensive. Yes, yes, yes. So going into investing as in, it is, you need a lot of capital but there are ways around it, of course, especially with your mortgage bonds and your essay home loans, there are opportunities as well to be able to afford that. Right. And I mean, another coin again is, like we said, it's not a short-term thing, it's a long-term thing, so they need to be patient. When you think about investment, it's not a quick, in a month, you'll get all your returns from your investment. It takes time. So when you're investing in your rental, for example, you only realize sort of good returns after a year or after two years. Yeah. Right? But there's also a lot of work around that as well. You know, it's not, you just get the property, you just get it and that's it. So there's a lot of work into it. But pros is like I said, investing in property, even if you're not investing, even if you're just buying home to settle in, it's an investment. Yeah. It's lower volatility. You know, when your economy goes down, most of the time, they still keep their prices. So whether you're investing or it's your property, it's a good investment sort of strategy. Another pro as well, I mean, this is obviously in terms of buying versus rental. Yeah. Is, I see it this way, when you buy a home, right, and you pay your bond, that's sort of like you pay rent anyways for your own home. Yeah. But like that money is towards your investment. Exactly. It's not towards someone else's. So I think that's one of the big plus of actually owning and sort of renting. But yeah, my advice is, I keep mentioning is always do your research. If you're speaking to a real estate agent about purchasing, speak to more real estate agents. I think a lot of the time, people don't even realize is when you are a buyer and you're making a business with a real estate agent, their primary client is the seller. Yeah. Right? And they wanna get that house sold as soon as possible. As possible, yeah. And so a lot of the, how do I say it, sort of like the customer interaction with the buyer is not as great as it should be or they don't provide the necessary information that's needed. So I think it's always important to speak to one or two other real estate agents before you're going to deals. Therefore, just to sort of help your interest into that and sort of safeguard yourself in sort of such transactions. I think that's very important. But yeah, do your research and make sure you afford as well. And yeah, I think that's sort of the advice you can give to them. I think this also goes hand in hand with some of the mistakes that you've seen. You know, to take note of what Tumelo said and then listen to the mistakes and then go find out how we can make that better. Exactly. Tumelo, because of time, I have a quick game, but before I even get to the game, Black Friday's coming up, right? If there was anything, any single thing in the world that you would like to be a part of the Black Friday deal, what could that be? It's a PlayStation 5. A PlayStation 5? Yes. I need that. Really? I need it. Not even like a house. A house for Black Friday? Yeah, what if they put like a property up and they were like, hey, this is a million, but get it today and send them for 500,000. Look, that would be a good investment, better than a PlayStation 5 for sure. But I think Black Friday is such an impulse thing. Like I said, you can't have impulse buys, especially with property. Yeah, can we get the PlayStation 5? We have it here for you. Thank you. Thank you guys. We don't. But yeah, so Black Friday is an impulse thing. True. You're gonna get the deal now, it's something that you haven't planned for, so you don't wanna do such impulse buys in terms of property. So that's why I shy away from that. Oh yeah. That's actually a very good point. Definitely, for my mental health. Also, for my mental health. So tomorrow the game goes like this. We have another show part of our podcast, which is the Home Shopper Show, posted by Chad, that's every Monday and Friday at 8 p.m., little marketing there. So basically how the show works is, how this game works, sorry, is I'm gonna show you three properties that they've been to around Johannesburg. You said you're in the Bryanston area, it's Bryanston four ways. That's the only clue I'm going to give you. It is in the north of Johannesburg. All you have to do is guess the price. Or be within like very close range of the price. Okay, come. Interesting game. Very interesting. The first one. A minute of it, right? Yeah, give you a minute. Yeah, no, that's just grass. Okay, it's like a question place. It's quite big. Tell us more about what you're saying. I mean, I'm calculating, I'm calculating. I think I have a price. You have a price already? Yeah. Let me show you the bathroom. No, let's trust you. Hold on, let me check the price. Okay, this is in Blair Ethel. Blair Ethel, oh, wonderful. Yeah, it's a big property. Looks like it's got a big yard as well. Lot of rooms, question and feel. I'm guessing along between 10 million to 12, so I think 12 million is the more, yeah, I'll go with that. Very close, it's 13. Very close, I mean, if you get all three. I just threw the garden, by the way. All these stores, the garden, that's great. If you get all three right, we might get you a PlayStation 5. Oh, yes, let's do this. Okay, your next one. Oh, wait, let me just get the price away. Okay. It's an apartment. This one is in Hyde Park. This one, I definitely need to see inside. Yeah. Okay, Hyde Park. Okay, it's big, that's good. I think I have a price. Can I ask how many bedrooms it is, though? No. The only clue I'm giving you is the area. I think it's a two-bedroom. If it is in Hyde Park, 8 million, seven. Oh my God, that's so close, it's nine. 9.3. Let me quickly get you. It was a three-bed, three-bar. Three-base, yeah, I would have gone higher. Oh, you would have gone higher. I would have gone higher, so I said two-bed, one-bed, it's around eight, seven. Okay, next one. River Club Santon. Oh, what? Do you know that? Of course. You know it very well, I'm assuming. I'm assuming my job. Okay, let's go. You can actually just do the first few seconds. Cool. It goes through the whole house. Okay. River Club Santon. It looks like a, it's not a sectional title, okay? River Club, no? Yeah. It's a, I don't know how many rooms it is as well. I'll tell you. This time I can give you a clue of the rooms. Okay, the rooms. Okay, so I've given you the area, the rooms, I'll tell you. So this one, it's a mansion, okay? It's a five-bed, five-bath. Five-bed, five-bath, okay. Contemporary-styled River Club Santon. It's a tough one, actually. So at first I thought it was a sectional, but it looks like it's in an estate. Five-bed, five-bath. I think I'm gonna go for six. No. No. I will give you one more chance. Oh, okay. So it's a higher? Yeah, yeah. It's more higher. Okay, so. Not too high? Yeah, so I think it's your 9 million, 10 million. Yeah, 8.9. 8.9. Well done. Yeah, thanks. Thanks. I think I did well for the next one that I saw. Yeah, and for just knowing the area. Yeah. A lot of first-time home buyers or first-time investors, I think what I'd like for you to end of the show with is tips. Since we've just looked at property and, you know, you look at the amount of bedrooms, you look at the structure, you know. What are some tips to look for when browsing your first home? For sure. So, I mean, you've probably heard this before about location, location, location. Yes, yes. That's your ultimate thing. And I mean, obviously, most of the things is based on preference, but ideally the big ones are your kitchen. So your kitchen size and kitchen design, your bathrooms and what they have. So some may have both a shower and a bath, just the bath or just the shower. Yeah. And if it's on suite or not, storage space, which is very important. So it's your wardrobes as well as in your kitchen, those sort of areas. And I think your extra space is like your home offices as well, especially in these times, sometimes very important for people to look into that. But yeah, it depends. If you're looking in an apartment or you're looking at a home that has a garden, there's sort of different factors you need to look into, right? But yeah, it's mostly what it offers. If it's a house with a yard, does it have a pool, does it have a garden and can you be able to maintain that garden? Exactly. That's another thing as well. And if it's apartments, your vantage point, your balcony area where it's facing, it's not facing another building. Right. Those sort of things. So those are the kind of things that you need to look at. Notes to take, you know, take notes guys. Some of the notes, a long list, but yeah. Thank you so much Tamilo. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate that you took the time out and spent the day with us and shared your knowledge. I think it's so important, you know, you're continuing to do what you do at the organization, pass on this knowledge, you know. Share the tips and the tricks of the property industry that we're in because it can get a little bit difficult and daunting. It's such a daunting task and you've just made it a little bit easier. So I really appreciate that. Thank you. You know, thank you for having me. Thank you for the opportunity. Thank you. I love platforms like this again to spread awareness about this and I'm definitely for it and yeah. Thanks. Sure. Thank you so much. To our viewers at home, thank you so much. We'll see you guys again next week live. That's Wednesday at 8 p.m. Take care.