 Good morning everyone. Thank you all for joining in. I hope you all are doing well. Good morning. A very good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. Wherever it is you are joining us from. Good to see you. Welcome to our weekly mentoring hour. Let's get started. Can I request one of our students to start us off with a word of prayer please? If any of our students can start us off with a word of prayer, that would be great. Go ahead. Good morning everyone. Have any father? We just wish to thank you for this hour of mentoring and we pray father that you'll help us learn during this session and be able to apply whatever we've learned in our daily lives father. We also pray that the Holy Spirit our Comforter and Guide Lord will lead us into all truth Lord and we pray for a blessing upon our entire staff and all the students Lord Jesus. We ask you to be with us father. Today tomorrow and in the days to come Lord Jesus. In thy precious name we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you Sanjay. All right. So this morning we have Pastor Nancy who will be sharing with us from the topic we all love. So Pastor Nancy over to you. Thank you Pastor Roshan. Good morning everyone. It's just so good to be with all of you and talk on the subject of leadership. I know this is a subject that as Pastor Roshan mentioned we all love the subject and throughout history people have tried to define what good leadership is all about. So this morning I want to share a couple of insights primarily from the word of God so that we know how the word of God suggests that we need. So as we consider leadership you know many people have tried to define leadership coming from their own you know spaces of work and experience. So there are several definitions for leadership particularly you know from the management space and from the work space that are people who have said the only definition of a leader is someone who has followers that was by Peter Drucker, Gordon Benes. He said leadership is the capacity to translate vision into reality. Bill Gates said as we look ahead into the next century leaders will be those who empower others. John Maxwell a very well-known leadership guru he had gave us this quote he said leadership is influence nothing more nothing less. So you know as we consider the various definitions and interpretations of leadership I think it's important for us to see what the word of God has to say and learn from the way Jesus led and leaders in a scripture led and form a foundation from there. So I just want to share a few insights and I hope that you know you're able to see the screen which I'm sharing right now. Are you able to see Patsruchan? Is that visible? Yes, Patsruchan, we can see. So when we talk about leading, leading with a vision is key. We know from the life of Jesus that he was someone who understood his own purpose right from the start till the end. There was one thing that he never let go of and that was the mandate that God gave him. So Jesus lived his life with a purpose. We know that even at a time when his heart was troubled in John 1227 he says now my soul is troubled and what shall I say? Father save me from this heart but for this purpose I came to this heart. So as a leader we learned from Jesus's life that he knew his purpose and that gave so much canary for him to not just live out his life but also to lead others. So for us to be able to lead, I think one thing that we learned from the life of Jesus is to know our purpose, to pursue our purpose. Now there's one thing at a personal level but for the people another very important aspect would be for us to have a vision. A vision as Proverbs 29 18 says you know where there is a vision people are cast off listing but happy is he who keeps the law. So scriptures tell us that where there's a vision people have a focus and they are able to go about doing what they are meant to do. Now a vision can talk so much about a vision about how it energizes us and how it strengthens us to keep moving forward but for a leader it's essential to have a vision or to receive a vision from God and to be able to communicate clearly to the people. Now there are so many other aspects to that about being able to set goals, being able to plan, organize. So there are various things but it all begins with a vision and that is important. So the first point that I wanted to make was that we must lead with a vision. Now moving on, the second important aspect for us to consider from God's word is to be able to lead as a servant. Now we know that Jesus taught us this. He said that the gentiles, the rulers of the gentiles, lord over them however when he taught his people, his disciples that whoever desires to become great among you let him be your servant. So servant leadership, there is a lot that is talked about these days not just in the Christian circles but even in the corporate circles. So leading as a servant, having a heart for the people, being concerned about the people is something that is necessary and for us as spiritual leaders who are leading God's people to lead with humility is also very important. When we consider the life of Jesus as you know, he led as a servant, you know that in Chapter 2 tells us that though he is God, he humbled himself to become a man and he lived for the purpose that the Father called him for and that's something that we can emulate to lead with humility, to not just lead for the sake of anyone wanting to lead with a grand title and a position that would be the God Jesus but he was willing to let go of all that grandeur and be okay with leading as a human being and really for us to learn from him to lead as a servant. That's the second point that I just wanted to make for us. Now moving on, the third essential aspect is to be able to lead with sacrifice. Now we know even in the life of Jesus he became obedient to God. He learned obedience. He grew chapter 5 verse 8 says through the many things that he suffered. So there were so many challenges and difficulties that he had to wade through and he was willing to do that and so the example from the life of Jesus is that he went the extra mile in order to lead others and so that is something that we can you know take from his life and know that when we when there is a leadership responsibility there will be situations and times when we may need to stretch ourselves and we may need to go the extra mile, we may need to do additional things and even sacrificially and that's something someone needing must be ready to do. So leading with sacrifice. Moving on the fourth aspect is to lead as an example now in this particular passage that I have shared here from John 13 verses 12 to 15 we see that the Lord Jesus he washed the feet of his disciples and he told them to do likewise. So we see that he set an example before them whatever he did no he asked the others to do. So this again even from the life of Paul we understand that Paul was the kind of leader who said you know imitate me as I imitate Christ. So from the life example you know Paul was trying to lead people so was Jesus and so that would be the right way for us to set an example for us to set the standards for us to you know communicate the values not just through what we say but the way we live and that makes for a strong effective leadership and the fifth aspect that I want to share is to lead strong, leading strong. This this can cover several aspects however the focus that I want to bring the focus to us being connected with God and being strong in God. So for any leader it's so important and particularly as spiritual leaders so important for us to have a very strong relationship with God because you know Jesus is the true wine and we are the branches and the branch is alive because it's connected to the wine the branch is fruitful because it's connected to the wine and if ever there is a disconnection you know that that is cutting off life from the branch and it can't function. So with that in mind you know I just want to state that being strong in the Lord is so very important once we find that position of strength in God everything else you know will flow from there and we see again from the life of Jesus that he was so connected to God he was obedient to God he humbled himself and offered himself to the purpose of God you know about the intimate walk that Jesus had with the Father and so for us to maintain that kind of strength in our relationship with God will help us navigate through you know regular circumstances and particularly through very very tough and difficult circumstances. So the personal strength of a leader in God as a person is also very important. So these five aspects are what I wanted to leave before us for us to be able to lead the way the Word of God teaches us we must lead with the vision we must lead as a servant we must lead with sacrifice lead as an example and lead strong. I just want to quickly touch on one last aspect here while we talk about believing and the attitude or the heart the character that a leader must have it's also important to understand that we must develop abilities to lead people. So I've just listed out a couple of abilities abilities here which are necessary the ability to be able to communicate the vision as I stated earlier and to be able to you know set goals plan organize execute well be able to guide people as we are churning towards the vision that is something that one can develop the ability to be able to work with people because leading is about working with people so the ability to work with people the ability to work with teams is necessary the ability to be able to nurture and develop other leaders among us to raise up other leaders is required the ability to be able to make good decisions because then we so many occasions when the right decision needs to be made and in a timely manner so the ability to be able to do that is important for leading to be able to serve with excellence to be able to serve with integrity and to know that one must pursue a growth and development keep growing as an individual keep growing in you know our capacities our knowledge our experience abilities and finally to be able to rise above challenging circumstances and situations so those are some you know key insights that I wanted to share but I'm sure you know there's an ocean of information that you know we can consider when we talk about leadership so with that I just handed over handed back to Pastel Ocean thank you so much thank you Pastel Nancy for those wonderful insights on leadership as I mentioned on the topic that we all love so before we continue with the questions on leadership before we start taking questions on leadership we just wanted to address one question that was posted last week during Pastor Jake's session and Pastor Jake's if you're there online please feel free to respond to this question this was a question from Lucy so after this question we will begin to address questions on leadership that's okay and so keep your questions ready all right so this was the question how do we overcome the comments of people which hurts us moreover it runs in our mind for days and sometimes we even wait to answer them back how do we fight such situations I'll read that question one more time how do we overcome the comments of people which hurts us and moreover it runs in our mind for days and sometimes we wait to answer them back in other words we wait to retaliate I guess so how do we fight such situations Pastor Jake's if you are there would you like to respond to that question um yeah sorry I'm not able to turn on the camera I'm just trying to please so yeah um uh like I'll just give my personal um strategy for doing this it would be to you know take it to the Lord first and foremost obviously words of hurt us um you know maybe because the words were critical or words were angry or words were chatter to whatever it has hurt us deeply so the first thing is to take it to the Lord you know take it before the Lord and say a lot you know uh I just bring this hurt to you I am hurting so it's taking a lot longer than yes we are I think bring it to the Lord and um and if there is any um you know even if there's a small person towards a fruit to what the person has shared you know taking away the emotion maybe it was said in an angry manner maybe it was said in a very hurtful manner but if there is any truth to what was being said um you know as as a saying that okay this needs to change in me we take that and work with it there is truth to it and um and then lay aside the other things lay aside the other things and take it before the Lord and even pray for the person like uh bring the person before the Lord and speak a word of blessing for the person and pray for the person and allow the Holy Spirit to heal our hearts right sometimes it's uh you know the the truth hurts right maybe the person has spoken truth uh and uh we are convicted and that hurts you know so it could be that also so um so I would personally do this and allow the Holy Spirit to heal whatever areas in my life that means healing I would allow the Holy Spirit to you know heal and uh yeah I know the the the time factor involved the thing is to take it before the Lord immediately not to not to let things fester not to let things you know not not to wait to be in the mood to take it before the Lord but to really take it before the Lord immediately um because we know you know it helps we read about how we need to heart our heart uh with all diligence because out of it uh flows the use of light so we need to work with it immediately like how if we would you know if we uh fall down I mean if there's a car we would immediately you know look into it wash it and do something about it the same way we do this so that we can function well and we can be able to say thank you thank you Pastor Jakes if any of our faculty members would like to add into that feel free to or we'll continue okay all right thank you Pastor Jakes once again for that Lucy I hope that answered your question uh so just to connect uh that question to today's topic again maybe this question is for you Pastor Nancy and just to start things off uh so one of the abilities of leadership to say is that we uh leaders can receive constant feedback um it could be critical feedback constructive feedback let's say critical for most part um so um how have you handled critical feedback or uh yeah something negative and how have you responded um in your journey as leader so far okay thank you Pastor Ocean that's a hard question right at the start of our you know this this session uh yes there have been um tough tough comments and some critical feedback that I received you know over the course of ministry and even otherwise right like we receive it in various other aspects of our life so uh in my case I would say that I've learned to consider critical feedback as something that's very valuable because uh you know sometimes there are blind spots things about ourselves that we are not aware of and it's so helpful when somebody points something out uh to us so uh I learned this someplace receive feedback with your mind uh but give feedback with your heart so I try to do that so I receive that feedback and then I try to um you know assess whether where they're coming from why are they saying this is there something that I've missed and if I have then you know I it's painful it's definitely painful but then I just pray that okay god help me change help me you know develop myself in this area um and so yeah that's that's how I do it that's how I have done it all trying to do thank you thank you Pastor Nancy uh any of the other faculty would like to add to or respond to that same question okay all right feel free to jump in anything uh right so we have a question from I believe that's Kennedy uh right if I'm not mistaken uh the question here says kindly expand more on the abilities to handle challenges kindly expand more on the abilities to handle challenges sure uh yes I'll share my thoughts and you know time is open uh our other faculty could also please share your views so um expanding our ability to handle challenges I think the way we one can do it uh is firstly with wisdom uh and so to really seek god for his wisdom in a tough situation um and you know we know that when we play we ask god he leads us in in various ways uh you know we we may be inspired by the whole spirit we may receive some ideas uh to you know deal with that situation so that is one thing but uh also depending on wise counsel from people who have gone before us uh particularly you know in um ministry we uh are connected to godly people you know elders so it's uh good to um good to speak with them good to ask questions and uh for suggestions uh and uh you know when we receive counsel uh I'm sure we'll be able to address the matter uh in in the best way possible so uh two two things there thank you thank you pastor matzi uh kennedy do you have a follow question to ask okay all right thank you um great uh once again I just like to remind our faculty that uh anytime if you would like to pitch in uh add in feel free to unmute and uh share all right uh great we're going on to the next question we have from ren and past ashish it's directly addressed to you how do you keep yourself in that place of humility even as your ministry has grown and uh how have you handled the rumors that you may hear about your teachings okay thanks for the person um something scandals are going on thank you um just pretend I'm there I can see that everybody else okay um so just two quick things when we talk about staying in a place of humility two or three things um that come to mind right away one is um uh it's that awareness that uh this is god everything is happening because of god doing it rather than me right for us as as individuals yes god has given each one of us as individuals certain grace a certain gifts and we're all in each one of us have been designed by god with certain strengths but even that is a gift from god and uh everything that's happening is happening because of god right and we can you know we can reference many scriptures some 127 unless the lord builds the house we labor in vain uh first currency three was three Paul says uh you know uh three or six as well he says uh you know one man can show another man can water but it's it's god who gives the increase so just being aware that everything we have is given to us from god you know and and and John the Baptist says this in John 3 he says no a man can receive nothing unless it's been given to him from heaven right that means everything we have has been given to us from god just keeping that being unfair that awareness we never lose that awareness that everything has to come from god it's unto him and I like to pray that prayer in Psalm 115 you know uh and I like to go to that prayer especially when something big happens I purposely go to Psalm 115 was one not unto us or god not unto us but to thy name glory you know that means all the glory of this thing you know what a big thing may have happened you may have had a big meeting or a big crusade or you go read i'd like to go back and just mention not to us not to us but to that name be glory so that one awareness being living in that place of awareness that it's nothing the beer we're nothing it's all from god secondly I like to remind myself that the place of humility is the face of grace and you see this in scripture and James and Peter they write you know that god gives more grace to the humble you know so if you want to do big things we need more grace but how can we receive more grace by becoming more humble or if you want to go up higher you need more grace to stay in that higher place how can you receive more grace to stay in the higher place yeah you have to step down lower so really in the kingdom if you want to go up higher you have to first step down lower because when you step down lower god gives you more grace and that's the grace that helps you stay in the high place so I remind myself that you know it's the grace of god that's going to keep us as we move up higher and higher and this one third thing is I like to look forward rather than look at the past or even look at the present you know so I when you look into the future like Nancy just spoke about having a vision that means a vision is I'm looking forward I'm not looking backward I'm looking ahead I'm you know if example I'm just using some numbers just to you know quantify this suppose you you have a congregation let's say you're ministering to a thousand people you're looking forward you're saying god my vision is to impact one million people that means this thousand is still like a very minuscule compared to the vision ahead that means when you keep looking forward you're not going to take pride in the present or in the past you know it's going to say hey whatever whatever's happened is almost nothing compared to what is yet to be done and that's that's the way god god is leading us forward he's not you know causing us to so don't live in the past and you know I'm saying this with a pinch of salt don't live in the present meaning you know bloating for the present you're kind of looking in the future and saying god there's still work to be done you know there are still so many souls to be saved so these three simple things help us I think stay in that place so you're next question is how do you how do we handle the rumors that you may hear about your teachings really if you've heard any rumors please that you know I'm just joking yeah so I think somebody asked a question earlier about criticism see one is I don't one is I don't spend my time listening to what people have to say now again understand it in context I do listen to people or giving feedback you know what telling us you know we can do things better and so on but I do listen to that but I'm not interested in reputation I'm not even interested in people like myself and I'm not hey if you don't like myself and you've got plenty of other options so because for me the issue is I'm not here I'm not living by people's applause I'm not living by how many likes I I don't I'm not on social media I don't care how many likes I got or you know how many thumbs up I got I don't know those things bother me I don't waste my time on that those are frivolous things so so basically I don't give space to listen to gossip to listen to what people have to say I don't waste my time on it but I am very open to genuine feedback which comes from you know people around us congregations so on but out there when people are just gossiping that's a waste of time I don't even engage in it now nothing that some things might accidentally reach my ears where or sometimes some people directly send me emails criticizing something and I think like like Nancy already said the thing is we look at it very often I think Nancy about second one not so good somebody shared we look at it very objectively like is there any merit in what people are saying about our teaching or preaching if there is merit yeah pay attention to it but if it's coming out of a place of their bias obviously a person from a purely evangelical perspective and I've had that I had some people follow me and scold me on the phone for you know talking about the supernatural or revival or those kinds of things and I've had those kinds of things happen but then I know where they're coming from they're coming from a persuasion that does not have space for the supernatural otherwise so I just listen to it and I don't bother responding because I'm you know God is our defender as long as we keep our heart and hands and mind clean and we know we're doing the right thing we just go on so I'll just close by quoting what the apostle Paul said and he said this in two places in Acts 23 verse 1 and as well in Acts 20 I forget the other reference but he said you know I live in all good conscience or unclear conscience before God and man that means my conscience is clean before God before man so then I'm not affected by these you know are the horrible people say I don't live for it therefore I'm not affected by it hope this helps him thank you pasages that was awesome all right thanks again Rin for those questions let's move on to the next question we have from Sam a few words of appreciation yeah like I said everybody loves this topic so the question from Sam is how to balance between delegating assigning and letting go allowing people to make mistakes and learn from mistakes even at the sake of compromising on the quality timeliness etc versus doing everything by yourself as a leader waiting patiently for your theme to be more proactive and take roles more readily that's a that's a packed question right there so first we can start off with you Basta Nancy and then probably bring in the faculties as well sure thank you Pasir Ocean and thank you Sam for that question how do we balance okay delegating and then doing things ourselves so I would look at it as you know some this needs to be an intentional decision because I talked about the ability to be able to develop leaders to nurture leaders raise them up so with that intention in mind one would need to make the decision about you know not doing everything by themselves but having others come come alongside now one is that you know intentionally we have to do that at some point but at which point you know should we do that that's your question most specifically I think again there Sam we really need the wisdom of God to know the right time to have people come in now maybe one practical thing is like when a ministry or a task we were beginning with that it may be good to bring it to a certain certain structure establish the process the systems or at least be able to draft out the vision for that and have some clarity and you know one is those things are in place it might be easier to bring people on to communicate clearly to them you know what needs to be done by them and then set a right expectation and from that point on to be able to work with people so yeah that's what I wanted to share thank you Pastor Nancy right would anyone else like to add to it please that's Jx or even Pastor Ashish yeah thank you yeah just some thoughts here on this I think one is remember like Nancy said part of our part of leadership of course is to develop others right a good leader is always looking at developing others but then understand that developing is a process and so when we want to develop people we need to create a safe space for them where they know that whatever has been given to them is a safe space and they can make the mistakes and their slowness in doing something is not going to be detrimental to the overall picture like so so I think as a leader part of that is being judicious on what you delegate and what you don't delegate and who you delegate to right so that's the responsible leader you we have to have that you know we can call it as part of our emotional intelligence that is I've got five things to do what are the things I need to do myself what are the things I can delegate but who should I delegate to and I know their capacity and and I have created them a safe space so that they can do it and it will not impact the overall result so that's the emotional intelligence of a leader that means you're understanding the people you're working with you're knowing whom to delegate walks to delegate and you know the level of expectation so example right suppose I have five tasks that things that need to be done I may be able to do all five of them in one day which is fine I can do it but you know my time is more important than doing these five tasks I need to use my time for other important things which other people may not be able to so maybe two of these tasks are things that I absolutely need to do that things that only I can do because maybe only I have information to make those decisions others don't have the information so I have to do those two things the other three I can delegate but the question is I need to have emotional intelligence to know whom to delegate to right so let's just for the sake of example let's say there are two people who could do this one is at a more of an you know a junior level another person is has a little bit more experience maybe a little bit more competency so I distribute these three tasks among those two people the other three and I know that person A may take five days to do it I know of their task another person whereas I could actually do that task in half an hour but they're going to take it you know whatever time but I'm willing to give them that time because I want them to learn I want them to develop and they have a safe space it's okay for them to take five days it's not going to overall impact the overall outcome of where the organization is going the other two tasks I can give to person B who might take three days to do those tasks I may be able to do those tasks in half another but I'm giving that safe space of three days for person B to do it again even if that person takes three days it's not going to impact the overall outcome and the person is going to learn in the process so that's the intelligence of the leader where you're saying I know I can do all these tasks very quickly but my goal is to develop other people I also know other people's their level of competency how long they will take to do this and you know I know that even if they do take this time or they make these mistakes it's not going to affect the overall where we're going and so based on that we delegate so you know we don't randomly delegate things we don't delegate what I'm saying it's at random or arbitrarily there's intelligence behind it you're looking at developing people you're looking at creating a safe space for the various people depending on which levels they are their competencies and you're also looking at the overall impact on what the organization or the ministry needs to achieve and then based on that you're distributing the tasks and then in the process you're giving feedback you know of course you've got to be patient you when you're giving feedback you know that they could actually have done this in half an hour but I've given it to this person the purposes I'm waiting for them to develop and you know that's how the journey is happens and then it evaluates and it grows I hope that helps thank you thank you Thank you Pastor Nancy thank you Pastor Ashish for responding to that question okay let's move on we have a question from Raja how do you handle harsh words or sometimes rudeness in strength of people is uh Pastor would you like Raja to expand or elaborate on that question that's also fine so yes yes please rudeness in front of people I'm just trying to understand is it a leader being rude or the people being rude to the leader right Raja could you please respond to that or elaborate on the question please please feel free to unmute and speak okay uh Pastor why will we wait for him uh for Raja to respond would you like to answer that from a particular perspective okay um I uh if it is about you know uh a leader being harsh uh I think the word of God teaches us that we must speak the truth in love so uh you know we yes there are points where we have to want people accountable and you know we must communicate the truth so that there is a change be very firm but that's different from you know being harsh or being very careless using hurting words and that is something a leader shouldn't do now if people are rude to us I think as Pastor shared earlier you know we we must just take it very objectively maybe keep up these whole be calm at that time and assess objectively you know what's going on and if there is something that we need to respond with so maybe we can come back once the situation has calmed down you know come back and address it so those are those are my thoughts okay thank you pastor okay uh let's uh so Jeff Fina has a question as a leader when we make wrong moves it eventually hurts others who follow you uh and that position you uh and and the positions you in a place of guilt and hurt so if ever a leader makes a wrong move due to their weakness how can a leader move forward yes yeah I'll go ahead and share some notes uh so Jeff Fina I think making mistakes is a part of growing up and even as a leader making mistakes that's something that is unavoidable some point or the other mistakes do happen unintentionally locally but then the important thing is to recognize those mistakes to seek forgiveness from God and to be able to you know seek forgiveness for people who are involved uh and to uh you know at that from that point onwards once we have um sought forgiveness and try to resolve that matter to um again rise up and keep moving because even you can't do anything about what has already happened um and so you know we we will need to be strong enough and move on and try to make better decisions in the future but having said that I also want to say that as leaders um uh we have to be so careful uh not to make any mistakes because uh it concerns people it concerns many lives and so uh we really need the grace of God and the wisdom of God to um you know walk in such a way and make such decisions that will be a blessing to the people so uh we don't want any mistakes to happen but if they do then uh we we can resolve it um you know rise up and keep moving forward thank you Pastor Nancy okay um all right Kofi I see that you have raised your hands we'll uh get to you as soon as we uh respond a few questions in the chat section and we have five more minutes to do that uh but anyway so let's go um so another question here from Jafina is what would be the three important things that a leader must never do uh I think I'll open it up to the other leaders of the group here all right yes uh Pastor Ashish, Pastor Jay Kumar, Smitha, three things my my top three things uh I'm sure others will have other things but my top three thing is one is uh the leader must never take credits uh for what the team has accomplished you know so when the team has done something that leaders should never stand up and say I did it that's terrible uh it should always be be did it or just give credit to the team and the leader should be willing to just go unnoticed you know so a leader who was willing to go unnoticed is is a great leader yeah so hey the team did it let them be informed I don't need anything that's a great so first is a leader should never take credit for what the team accomplished second uh I think a leader should uh never insist on their own way when others are not aligned right means if if I uh example like let's take if we can it can take we can take it in one on one in a situation where if somebody doesn't want to do something don't insist that they should do it right Indian leadership situation I mean as a parent you can do that with your baby child but you can't do that in in the workplace right at home you can say dad said it go do it can't do that in the workplace uh in the in the ministry so don't force your don't overwrite somehow and let me put this don't overwrite somebody others somebody else's will you always share what's right and hope that in the last thing I would say the third thing I would say uh is a leader should never manipulate especially in the Christian context we could actually use God's words or we can actually use the anointing to control people we can say the holy spirit for me you know we could say we can take chapter in us and say hey you have to do this that's actually spiritual manipulation it's equivalent to witchcraft so a Christian leader could actually be practicing witchcraft if they're using God's word anointing to control people that's spiritual manipulation so these are my top three things which a leader should never do I leave open to the others others may have other things thank you for Sasha's person that's you would you like to add to it or um well I I agree with pastor I'm still trying to think of you know what would be my top three things yeah fine I think I'll just let that go thank you okay all right due to time we'll just take one more question probably and we'll respond to the rest later we have another question from Kennedy as a leader how to handle the element of hatred in the church setup that affects growth how to handle hatred element of hatred in the church setup that affects growth okay um I'll just share uh so element of hatred so Kennedy I'm understanding this as there are people who um you know who are against the leadership or who um you know create some sort of a discord or division among the people so as a leader I think one should be very very alert in the first place to not let such such a thing um you know exist at all so at the first instance of noticing some of such discord or division the leader needs to take action immediately to address it otherwise what will happen is it will it will grow and pester and it will you know really destroy the church as you also mentioned the word affect the growth of the church it will affect the growth of the church so a leader must act um very wisely and quickly in such methods thank you great um thank you pasternan see thank you all for your questions uh for the for the questions that were not answered we will respond to it um and uh but thank you for posting it in pasternan see thank you so much for this wonderful session today and uh and all the other faculty for joining in and also so the students thank you and I will see you again next week have a wonderful day thank you so much thank you for your question thank you