 Hello everybody. I'm Harry Dimitropoulos and I want to welcome you in this second training for RFOs for the National Open Access Monitor in Ireland. Our talk today will be, let me show you an overview. So some general overview about the Irish monitor, then a few words about the open air graph and the data quality that feeds the monitor, the linking functionality, specific information for research funding organizations, and some information about primary dashboard managers, what's the extra things they can do with their monitor and next steps. So as you already know, the National Open Access Monitor is comprised of five dashboards. There's dashboard for researchers, for research performing organizations, national dashboard, of course, that's the one that incorporates everything, research funding organizations and institutional repositories. And here we'll focus more on the research funding organizations. There was a training a few weeks ago on research performing organization. So some of the things, if you attended that one, I might repeat some things that Leonid has repeated in the last meeting. But some of you might be here for the first or the second time depending if you were here in the first training. So some things, Berm will be if I repeat a few things and please feel free to interrupt at any stage, although we'll have a Q&A session at the end. So the purpose of having the RFO dashboards is so that you as a funder can benchmark against your peers, assess your open access compliance, monitor your research impact and shape your strategic agendas. And this is done by three, by different views that the monitor provides to give you comprehensive insights into your activities and open science performance. So the one, the first view is the indicators view, which I'll show you later in the demo, which highlights the open access update indicators and enables the cross RFO benchmarking. So you will see things like these graphs and indicators with numbers and different sections for different indicators. And the one cross RFO is where you can check how you're performing compared to other RFOs. There is also the research outputs view, which is a way of browsing the products, the publications that feed your dashboard. So it provides advanced searching and filtering. Again, I will show that in the demo. Specifically, RFO managers have also access to the sandbox, which is a place where they can verify the data quality and check any new metrics or indicators that we produce or any graph updates are all are first tested or shown in the sandbox. And then once approved, they appear in the final production monitor. So a few words about the open air graph and the data quality. I repeated that in the first mentioned about the graph in the first training. So I'll go a bit quicker here. So the open air graph is the data backbone behind the data that the monitor shows. It's a scientific knowledge graph that takes input from 131,000 data sources, 3.5 million projects and 257 almost million research outputs, which is not only publications, but includes software data sets and other research products, although the monitor for our is focusing on the publications and the statistics and the indicators for those at the moment. And this is the pipeline of how things are produced. So on the left, we can see all the data sources could be repositories, open access journals, the aggregators, different Chris systems, publishers, registers, everything that feeds into the open air graph. Repositories also go through our provide platform where they can make sure they're following the open air guidelines through the metadata validator and can enhance their metadata via the open air broker. So all these this information is aggregated. Then the next step is enrichment by mining. Full texts of publications are scanned for to produce links to funding data set software, bio entities and other things, which are also added in the graph. Then is the step step of deduplication, because we get we have so many sources, we're bound to get the same publication from different repositories. So we make sure these are merged into one entity. However, we keep all the provenance or all the information from the different duplicates. So none of the information is lost. Then there's another set of enrichment by inference, which is mining on the graph on the links, producing further information from the from the graph and a final stage where everything is harmonized and released as a public graph data set. And there's an API to access information of the open air graph. This is what feeds the the National Open Access Monitor Ireland. And from where also we can get your feedback in order to improve this process. One example of feedback is links. You can link publications that have not linked to your funding institution, for example, or you might see something that is missing. And we might have to make sure that our repository is is has joined provide and that the picture is complete. So this is a continuous process that keeps improving as we go along. Now this is the architectural view of the of the process. This is the open air graph and the five dashboards the users coming in. There is the open orgs platform for disambiguating disambiguating organizations. There is there will be a webinar training for this provided. Here is the the provide open air provide platform where the repositories register and validate their data. But specifically for funders, there is another source that the open air ideally would like to have is the funding data. And I'll explain this on the further slides. So the information about the the projects for for each funder. So just a quick view of the sources contributing to the graph. There's as we said, there's variety of sources from thematic and institutional repositories like archive and PubMeds and Odo and aggregators like DOAJ graphs like open citations, software tools and software sources like software heritage, publisher, springer, plus frontiers, many European international funders and more registered and other research infrastructure sources. So all this information needs to be checked for quality. So there's the duplication that I mentioned before. So we merge the duplicate records of the same scholarly work but keep all the information from where they came from. There's the enrichment through the text and data mining. So affiliation citation and concept extraction and on top document classification with fields of science or and sustainable development goals. There's also similarity assessment. There's a independent continuous aggregation process that uses vocabularies to harmonize the diverse data sources. So this is for cleaning to ensure consistent and accurate biographic bibliographic records. And there is also disambiguation for journals, publishers and licenses because they also can come under different names. There's more information can be found on the graph website which I'll also show you how to access via your monitor. Okay, so there's additional things that can be done for data quality from the users of the platform. So all users can take advantage of the linking functionality which I'll talk about in a minute. And specifically RFOs can provide the funding data because if we have the funding metadata then we can provide create a custom text mining to improve the coverage of the publications and the products the monitor covers. Again, these will be described in detail in a minute. So let's start first from the linking. So with your multiple ways you can log in into the monitor and access the linking functionality. Let me show you where it is. So this is the home page of the monitor. So if you go in your account you will see that there's a link button from where you can use the linking functionality. You can either search for specific products, I don't know, searching for something by me and didn't find it but let me try something, oops, also my... Okay, so for example I want this publication so I select this one and go to the next step where I want to link it to a specific projects. For example, and then I can go and confirm this link. Additionally, go back this way. I can also, I'm also able to upload, sorry, upload DOI CSV file. So if I have many things to link you can load a DOI file with DOIs. So this will be entered there and I can link them in bulk. Okay, what happens when I link? The links show up in the next open graph update. So this happens monthly. So if there has been an update a few weeks ago I might be lucky and see it in a couple of weeks. If the graph had updated just recently it might take a month or more. So this is something to be aware that you won't immediately see your links. However, if you go to your account and see my links you will see, oops, I have to sign in. Okay, I'll have to enter with my other account but let's see and log out and enter correctly. Oops, it has to be a demo, right? Okay, sign in. Yes, that's better. So I'm logging in and there I can see my links, for example, links that I have done before and when it says available they have been accepted these ones. Okay, back to the presentation and there is also a log which is publicly visible so you can see the added links and remember that whenever you do something there's always permission asked in the final stage so you will not by mistake link something. You will see the summary and then make sure you will be able to confirm. This log, many logs here if you go in resources and help there's web statistics and activity logs and there you have web statistics about people visiting the national monitor. There's open org logs for people that are registering, they are disambiguating the organizations in Ireland and these are the monitor logs so you can download a log and let me bring up. This is a text file which is anonymized. Let me get it. For example, here you can see that it mentions some authors that link to their orchid or remove the product and somebody uploaded 100 DOIs. So you can access these things here. In addition, primary dashboard managers will be able to upload a set of PIDs from research products to associate with their RFOs so linking bulk which is what I was saying before. At the moment, well I'll say that after I talk about how funders are indexing opener so I'll come back to that. Okay, this is just so that we have in the slides the linking process. So specifically for RFOs so funders need in order to appear in the monitor they need to be indexed in the opener graph. The standard way of doing that up to recently was that funders would directly join open air which meant that they would provide their funding data basically a list of metadata many times it would be just an Excel file other times it would be to an API and then we would develop a tailor text mining algorithm to enhance the products the links we get from the all the links all the inputs we aggregate in the graph so to improve the coverage basically and then this will be shown to the funder to make sure that they agree everything will be validated and all the links produced will be at the project level so the funder will be able to see specific projects statistics for specific projects and what the information for each project that the graph contains not just for the funder in general so not publications per funder but publications for specific projects specific funding streams and things like that now for the irish monitor till now we had to get all the irish funders so this was done through the open funder registering which is another avenue for representing funders in the open air graph so in this case all fund it allows funders to be associated with publications via valid DOIs in the graph but most funders in crossref do not have their projects registered some have but some haven't for the irish ones when we checked last time none had registered their projects so we could only have funder publication links so a funder link to a publication no publication link to a funder but not to the project so a text mining module cannot be built to enhance their results and there is one exception which i'll explain in the in a minute is what we call is mining for an identity an identified project because projects are a main entity of the open air graph it's not just the funder it's actually their projects so with funders without projects we call we have an entity called unidentified project and we link with that so this is in practical terms is linking to the funder there is no granularity the same area that we have with the direct integration and also the quality is not guaranteed is what we get from the all the information we aggregate there is no the curation that we do you know while we develop our own text mining algorithm with a funder so just some numbers for the iris fund under us so we had 157 irish rfo's that were found in open funder registry and we also had a funder by the direct route that would already register in in open air is sfi i'll talk about them in a minute but crossref had some mistakes or issues or some things we had to take into account for example there was a uk funder wrongly associated with ireland which we removed there was two entries for one fund is the same funder but it had they had two funder ids so we merge into one because we want to have one dashboard for the results and there's three entries for another funder with two different names this is not a mistake actually it's it's specifically it's for um irc because before it was there was irc there was iris research council for science engineering technology and also iris research council for the humanities and the social sciences that were merged into the iris research council so these actually now appear in the dashboard as three different entities but they should be one and they will be merged in the in the next update um and at the moment we have 156 monitors so with a measure we'll have 154 144 of those have publications at the moment and so this is a view of the the funders we'll see it in the demo just want to talk about the science foundation ireland funder that has most publications at the moment that's also probably apart from being a very large funder is also that they had joined open air since 2015 so we have all the project data and we've been mining the information for a long time and the project are available on their website and we directly get it from the sfi open data site and occasionally directly from sfi when actually in november we got it before sfi updated on the website so that the the monitor will be will have the latest information um so we wanted to attempt to do the unidentified project mining for um for a funder so we started with the iris research council um so what we do there is the mind text we mind the text of publication instead of looking for specific uh projects that we don't have we didn't have their lists we would look for the name but we'll use clever text mining techniques so we don't uh mistake with any mention of iris research council that talks about you know some report that they've created that it's but it when it's all only about funding attribution um by looking at this while developing this module we saw that project numbers were clearly stated so if we if there's anybody from iris research council in this call that would be good to talk because if we had your project data then we would have a near perfect accuracy uh because we'll be looking for these kind of entities uh that rather than that even though i think we've reached a very high uh accuracy and this has been added to the monitor so since the last update we've really increased the coverage of the rc publications but we're good to talk also with the funder too because it didn't go through the proper uh way of getting the project data and then validating with the funder it was just a for us trying to enhance the information that you see in the monitors and now we're doing the same for the health research board um so just to give you some information there because i have that more recent so there it was a bit more difficult because when you're looking for health research board there are many health research boards in the world so there is uh you know another funder in the us which is called common with research health research board there is a public health research board in the national east of health research in england and so on and so forth so these are eliminated um via our money our money and we also use the context near the wherever we see health research board as i said before to make sure that we're talking about funding uh the the algorithm through two iterations with minor operation of results we created the results and at least in our tests we think we have a very high precision accuracy but we can talk with health research board as well and again if we have the projects this will be a much easier job so this will appear in the next graph update and there hopefully you will see from 3000 to increase that number at least by 2000 k uh from what i see from what we see and how do we know we're doing it right well we have actually gone through manually a lot of these links so it took a lot of effort and so here is our publications shown in then just an example in the national monitor which you can find now but the moment is shown as funded by the ukri in the uk and irc because we have we developed the money for the irc but if you look at the text which you can find from the monitor you will see that it's also funded by hrb and here is an example of the snippet so in the funding statement yes there is the ukri and the iris research council funding information but it's also funded by the health research board so this was missed by crossref or from our aggregators uh whereas this text mining would improve that so even the unidentified mining that we we can do will improve the results even here the the mining looks at all the paper and it finds another mention of health research board which is for competing interests but yet it still confirms it says reports this person received financial support from health research board so this helps the mining understand that we definitely have a publication mined by hrb uh so about primary dashboard managers okay before i go that let me go to the platform actually and then show some general things which are available to everybody even without logging in there so i could log out but i'm not going to do that i will use that later so i think by now you you might have seen this is the the the front page with some general information in every section there is this help button where you can get some information there's a video showing the basic interactivity for the indicators and it takes you to the terminology and construction page which has the entities uh mentioned here the inherited and inferred attributes things like um article processing charges and this information for each of these uh and the constructed articles uh like for example the journal business models all these also can also be found from the resources and help so there is they're there in that section so um and also from here you can give us feedback and actually reach out for anything that you see uh some error you spotted or some information you want or you want to join or whatever you we respond within 24 hours and some of your requests might take a while to to sort out but at least you will get a reply quickly to discuss the issue there's a national monitor that you've seen in in previous presentations and the rpo's and the rfo's i'm going to focus the research funding organizations so this is a general view where you can see all the organizations per page there you can list them you can group them here they're listed by number publications they could be alphabetical or or uh you can also search i don't know oops sorry so i wanted uh other gun and i could find quickly uh there's a list view as well with numbers like a table um and uh from there we can go to science foundation Ireland since it has also it's a text mining and as all the monitors uh it has the two parts so the the section with the indicators and a section of browsing the research products the indicator sections is uh has different themes uh so the scholar production access rights open access routes indicators about fairness plan s apc's the cross rfo i mentioned before and the academic impact will have a quick view i'm not going to go through all the graphs here some have been shown in the rpo training in the introduction of the national monitor they're similar and so what you see is some numbers for example here the number of publications associated to sfi the peer review publications and the open access peer review publications with license and and then you get uh different indicators in graph form so here is the publication trends where you can interact you might want to see only the peer reviewed publications you can see the numbers there so many of the graphs have this interactivity there's also this tool tip where you can view the graph in full screen print the chart download in different formats if you download in svg you also have the interactivity you can also download as an excel or csv file you can view the data table here so if i click back and and and go down i can see the the numbers also here apart from on here which is also useful hide it now and you can also filter there's different filters so i might be interested not in everything for sfi but i don't know the last five years publicly funded and health sciences so only these papers so these get updated and also the filters can be changed from there so and everything updates interactively also there is this embed where you can get this iframe code to add on your your website and whenever there's a graph update in the graph updates it will also update dynamically on your site and so there's things like peer reviewed publications by field of science by field of science that was level one level one and two by sustainable development goals categories so see many on the good health section another thing here you can do you can also zoom by dragging the mouse there and so you can get something that you cannot see reset this is again explained here if you forget and there is peer review publications by type so articles books and things like that reports by top publishers for the peer review publications by rpo's by data source types on most of journals publication reports and so on so forth and top data sources so we see here euro pub med for sfi top grants and top grants by total amount funders so this you will not have if you don't have your projects in the project and integrated and and there's other sections then there's for access rights again if they're very similar i'm not going to go through all of these we can discuss specific indicators when needed i just want to show that in some sections let's see like open access first okay there might be additional information in some of so this is green with license or gold or hybrid this is what we call immediate open access peer reviewed publications and you might get different tabs here to see different views so here will be the open access types so green gold and hybrid so the indicators for this category there's fairness indicators again they're based on licenses this is the main the first section but also there are other fair aspects for example if they have PIDs PIDs over times and now we see most of them have DUIs some pub med IDs and things like that um information about uh plan S compliance indicators uh article processing charges AP APCs so again they could be APCs versus transformative agreement and uh this is the cross rfo uh i mentioned at the beginning so here your uh institution the SFI is so we'll in this case the SFI will be shown first and then the others even if the information is less it happens to be more here for the peer review publication again you can zoom to see more information or view the data table or download to get uh oops sorry i didn't i didn't want to do that um and reset to go back and many views for different things and academic impact and there's two types of the impact at the moment there is uh uh mentioned by citations so total citations of peer review publications by exercise over time for example again you can check for different things and uh via downloads so the average for example downloads per peer review publication over time based on year of download and here it's based on your publication so those these things you can do here and uh this is always something to remember for resources and help uh provides all general information about the dashboard uh talks about the five monitors where again here you can go to your section i'm an rfo and i have them joined i want to see i mean i see a dashboard i have a dashboard but uh there's information missing what's happening there maybe there you you realize you have to provide data for your projects that will help increase the coverage so the steps are clearly shown here again there's always the help to get in touch with us and there is a section on what the user can perform which is ad research products via your orchid id link research products which the linky guy showed you before or upload dois and at the moment the dois cannot are limited to the number of the eyes you can upload when it comes to linking to your project but you can if you go here and upload the eyes you can upload the eyes to check some information let me run a test let's see now this is going to work for uh irel for example i will upload a bunch of dois that i've not been linked yet with there from the transformative agreement file but then i can see their title if they're available or not and different access routes and get some information so you can upload dois and get information uh from the graph uh based on on the dois you have okay let me continue the presentation and have a couple of slides only for the primary dashboard managers so what's the additional functionalities they have oh and and kind of not only functional but things that they will be good to do for example i think the most important thing will be for primary dashboard managers for funders to provide their project data so how do we do that there's a help button that we showed in every section so if you just contact us and say you know i want to give you the data how do i do it then we'll get in touch with you and but so that you know there is different ways one is via standard spreadsheet and this can be described in this page i'll show you that page in a minute um so it's just a list of the projects with metadata and you can have the minimal information the most important for the funding is the actual you know the ground code the project id uh maybe start end date but again if you don't if they don't have end dates because they get updated it's okay if they don't have titles it is okay if they have acronyms that's okay so we're very flexible on the information get but the more information we have the better the the results we can provide or you might have an api or that already provides many funders have apis that we get we then you don't need to bother we get the api and we access it very frequently if needed with some funders we do it every week if they update the projects so frequently or a website like sfi did so we can just get the information from the files provided in the website it could be of your institution or a government open data site and and or another ways to register your products with op with crosshairs with open fund the funder register and then tell us that they are there and then we will pick them from there directly the very very few funders have done that and as far as i know none of the Irish ones at the moment but eventually that will be another way of doing it so then you provide the data only to one source which will be to OFR and then we can also use the same information and they're compatible with the data we need so the how to join page let me just briefly show that it's in open air it gives some information of the options that you have some examples of the data that are needed the mandatory and the optional again no need to be scared mandatory even that is not mandatory what is really important is the project identifier and probably a title even if you don't have dates we can still provide indicators which are useful to the project level but you know if you want overtime then for example dates will be important there is optional information you know that would allow to provide more information more details more granularity there's a detailed file we can you can link at the bottom of the page you can get it from the link and it provides details of any possible metadata you can provide so this is a lot of information this is not needed for you to provide all that with explanations below but please get in touch with us for for help it's it's quite simple if that is very clear also from integration steps somebody can just use the condom form and actually upload the file and accept the the the data policy and that's it and and we will get it okay so back to the presentation right so additionally because if we have the projects and then we develop a project the mining algorithm dedicated to you then it will be great if we have suggested project and holding statements so we know what to expect some funders have specific statements they want us to look for but that's okay we're quite flexible we look for any variations and even misprints and things like that for example the the welcome trust many people write it with one l one two wells we've you know we we understand that this is a common error and we we look for things like that so it's it's quite flexible and another thing that you can do is you can add invite basically or delete managers to the dashboard and managers can have access to the sandbox so you can see the new updates that come before they release the new indicators and you can check quality everything before they're released and they're made public i'll show you the section for the managers in a minute so how do you access your admin account okay so here i will use a different account because here i'm a super user and i have access to everybody but if i go this is another account which i pretend i'm the manager of only one funder so if i go here and see manage profiles so i go to my initials manage profiles ah because he expired this happens so i see only one profile so i have access here to the address research council so if i go there what can i do well as a slide we'll say there's a few things you can do they add delete managers and change the display name you might want to include a shorter or longer display name or an acronym for your funder the locale description and also upload a logo or provide a link to the logo if this is frequently changed for some reason and so you can see here you can edit the name of the funder some things you cannot edit because they are part of the graph change the locale english euro you can add the description for your organization link a logo and this is the user sections section where now i'm only here logged in myself but then you could invite the manager which is as simple as give writing their email and they will receive a link with a an email with a link to join and a security code and if you send invitation there will be pending managers they're waiting if they want to be approved and they will be a once they've gone through the verification process they will appear here as managers so this is this about the primary dashboard managers okay so and i'll conclude here with some just summarize the next steps so basically use the contact pass they help test form for anything that you see that you like or don't like or something that is missing because this will the final release of the dashboard will be in in june by which time well actually you will be able to assess it for another month but you know the sooner we find the problems or issues and we deal with them promptly the better the information that everybody gets will be and also please get in touch with us to integrate your projects if you want to increase the cover sometimes with funders we even double the amount of publications that are actually linked to you because the publications are in the national monitor but they are not uh linked to the funder and this the sooner the better because it takes some time to develop an algorithm for it might take a week to test the first version then another week to get back to you and but then we have to wait for the next month update so we're talking for at least a month until you get the results in the dashboard and you can also use the linking functionality to link products that you have but here i'm going to say that it wouldn't work at the moment and again this is something we'll fix but the linking functionality was provided with the assumption that we will have the project data so when you link you get your publication and you link it to a project if you want to link it to an unidentified because it's always via project and you type unidentified you will get all the unidentified projects of all the 150 whatever funders and it will be difficult to go and check so we'll change that so you can link with by funder and also when the linking by DOIs will be done you'll be able to link in bulk but again if we had the project this will be you'll be able to so SFI can use that linking functionality without any problem at the moment researchers can use their orchid ID to link to their own their own data but for funders this is limited but we fix very promptly you can also get in touch with me it's harry d at athena research center sorry dot gr and obviously the best way i think is via the contact forms so i'll stop here to see if we can get any questions and if there is any funder that i mentioned and want to once oh there might be some questions okay yes there are two questions in the chat okay one is if the monitor is including also books and book chapters yes okay yes sorry actually this reminds me let me go back i didn't show you one thing oops and one thing i wanted to show was i didn't show you the browse so thank you for the question because that reminds me of so when we go to the monitors like i went here to SFI we had the browser search products i this has been shown in other webinars but i'll better show it for you here too so here you will see the different uh what what feeds the dashboard so um at the moment some things are pre-selected there's many filters here on the left so we have here publications research data software and stuff like that and from here you can see there is document type so you can have there's also view also we can search for different categories but there's one that some show that you can see here you have part of book or chapter there's books reprints conference objects articles so there's different categories other things you can do here is see if they're peer reviewed or not so select there the different open access you know status closed office restricted embargo does it have a license or not um gold brought the different publisher access is a green open eye so the different filters you can and then you know you can also clear or reset you will see the filters yet you selected they are there and you might also want to i don't know select by field of science country funder let me explain also this here so i'm in sfi so why am i seeing uh you know our research council is because some are co-funded so they will have mentioned both both funders the sources so you might just want to check for the archive prints only and here when you get when you have the the list um you will be able to go to a publication you know there's a lot of information provided even here you can claim with your id record if it's uh if it's yours uh you can get the full text if we have it available if it's open access you can see the different routes but also you can click on its page and get a get additional information uh yes okay so here is this one has full text you can see the organizations involved um so this one has different it came from different three versions so uh your pub med you can see the versions that we got and the old information the different licenses for each of them and more details are actually found here the pub med from crossref uh from core and you also get uh if there is a DOI MID different uh our handle you will get information there you can actually link and go to visit the landing page you get some stats here provided by uh the BIP and so and and our other services like uh the citations the popularity the influence the impulse different scores there the fields of science it's been assigned to uh you might disagree again perfect you can suggest you can go there and say well i think it's something else um and this will be uh taking to account by the text and data mining team uh you can see subjects uh the references and there's the metrics i mentioned before so there's uh there's this part here oh and from here also you can go to the link and you want to link this specific paper to something you can share it via social media and find how to site this uh so okay sorry for this uh but this reminded me i'd forgotten to um show you this so the question was about uh books and book chapters so yes in theory we should have that if they're missing uh please let us know and let me go to the second question and get a little forgiveness i'm sorry i was linked to arguments should appear on organization dash project this does not appear to have been done yet is it in progress or we'll have uh it definitely is in progress but if you please reach out to make sure uh is uh are you so this is too from Jennifer Brennan and i'm i'm not sure why this hasn't happened can you tell me what which organization i can make a note and check with the team hi harry thanks and yeah so i'm from the department of the environment climate and communications okay and we should be linked to the environmental protection agency geological survey ireland and the sustainable energy authority of ireland okay so looking now at the moment it seems when i look at my dashboard i'm seeing 24 publications that specifically mentioned my department as a funder but we should also be seeing the ones for epa fda and gsi okay so i made a note of that so i'll check you know with the team so get back with you i'm sure it's it's it's in the process for example i know for irel we have the their dashboard is there's a lot of things missing which has been provided and we're it's because the functionality is not they cannot link it themselves we have to do it and it will be in the next graph update there's about 6000 publications from the transformative agreement that we're uploading so i know many things are in the process which yeah that's why i wanted to ask because i know it's just the pilot version and it may just be that it hasn't happened yet yeah yeah but uh thank you for uh thank you i made a note to make sure to we you know we'll get back to you thanks thank you are there any other question i think we might mention that there will be some other webinars coming up there is four apc's is one which we've scheduled in a couple of uh months and uh you should receive an invitation and uh i think but that's for rpo's probably the open orcs webinar for disembodied rating organizations but some of you are also funders and and you both have rpo's and rfo monitors um so maybe some of them some of you join also the open orcs webinar yes thank you um harry i don't know if you want to show uh to the funders also an example of an excel file they can send to you okay in in the how to join page actually you well it's not a filled in example but you can yeah i can i can if you want let me show you something that is already there uh which is for example sf file maybe c to search uh oops do that here okay so let me i'm opening a file which i'm gonna show you in a minute this me i'm downloading it let me maximize uh are you still seeing my screen or not yes and we can see the excel file okay now it's a bit small let me maximize a bit so but this is sfi which provides a lot of information you don't need to make it that detailed but uh so for example there is the id number there's a program name there's sub program name this is how sfi has their data um supplement there's the lead applicant this we don't actually use in open air by the way i shouldn't be showing that here uh there's orchid id's research body uh okay the funder name obviously the crosser funder so sometimes i mean all that you need is the the id the grant number that we will search for the mining the or the way you want to be represented in the graph the um the title if there is a title or an acronym like the ec projects have both title rack names and here we have also start and end day uh no need to provide the financial data if you do you do there will be indicators for that as well so but also if you go into the if we go by in the this page again here this is the best joint opener sorry this file so this one describes the fields that can be available and at the bottom it basically gives an uh an example of the some of the headings and also say i mean you might have multiple organizations involved with different projects or different amounts they can be they have to be for each project you have to have one line that's the only constraint uh and you could have zero which means you don't need to provide it or to one so you need the code for sure the the unique identifier for the project and but you know you might have an acronym zero or one or if there's more than there's other numbers that means you can provide more so there's an id of an organization there might be many organizations involved uh but in most in most cases is uh for the i mean to be honest with it for the funding just a list of the project identifiers is enough uh even without the other information so in despite here saying that it needs to be for the project identifiers even without the other information so in despite here saying that it needs more information and i think most funders have a system where they have all the information and they can just export that easily uh some funders do not have projects in the sense that we want them here so for example in open air we had we have canadian funders that although they do have their contract numbers the agreements they most of the they know that their um the researchers do not refer to them they would say funded by you know uh by cihr or whatever so in which case we developed an unidentified project mine specifically for them but because they told us uh the type of statements we in the different names that are used because in the propaganda we have also french uh so there's different things we're looking for the the mining was developing conjunction with their help and that was for for their port um so again there's things that can that can be done i say uh for example for irel uh i think there is a statement uh i've seen that we can mine for quite easily it's very most cases we see it very clearly stated but without a project uh shown next week so again we could do develop a module for that to increase um the coverage uh the other thing i wanted to say is if you want information about the graph at the bottom of each page in the monitor you can you know click graph and it takes you to you know if anybody interested in going into more detail you can see the number updating there of how many products we have and you can dive deeper into the stats uh of the numbers that are there there's a full documentation page uh pages for things which this is an update to a graph page and there's also a user forum where you can join and ask questions which have to do specifically with data that might not be necessary for the irel but for the opener data so there's a forum that is available with different sections uh i think that that's all i wanted to cover thank you harry okay so stay tuned for the next webinar and meetings and let us know if you have any questions and if you would like to uh send more information so thanks again thank you bye bye