 Hi everybody, I am Matthew Miller. I am the federal project leader and this is my Going into my 10th year of being the project leader and this is my 11th time I'm presenting a keynote at flock or nest conference because this is a redo because The stream cut off at the beginning of the other time So I thought yeah, there's some important stuff at the beginning We need to make sure that goes and if I'm gonna do the beginning I might as well do the whole thing We'll see how it goes the second time around and you can decide if it's better or worse I I make up a lot of it as I go along. So we'll see how it comes out Yeah, so over those 10 years there's been a lot of a lot of ups and downs and Some of a lot more ups than downs I think I think it's been generally a good time in fedora right now There's this saying Given somebody's as an ancient curse, but it's not actually ancient. It's something that some British guy made up in the I don't know 19th century or so. I thought I'd I thought I'd give Terry Pratchett another another British guy the credit for it here, but yeah, sometimes Having a lot of stuff going on can be very stressful And this is kind of how it feels to me in the world overall right now. We've got war disease Famine basically all of the horsemen of the apocalypse and if heatwaves weren't in the original set I think that they have kind of ridden up very quickly and taken over whichever the other fourth horsemen was To be right in the forefront of the charge So that's kind of a lot and then of course closer closer to us Red hat has been going through, you know corporate things. We had big cuts in our travel budget I was afraid we would not be able to get anyone here to this conference at all. It actually turned out a very good turnout It's kind of weird to be giving this at the end of the rather than the beginning so I can look back over the conference There were When I checked at the beginning I should have gotten the number just for this But there were like 130 registrations, which isn't the biggest Oh Yeah, okay Mo's looking it up for me here. Yeah, so we had we had good turnout much better than I was worried It's not the biggest we've ever had but it was great and we had people here together and so that was that was nice I was worried about that but We had earlier scheduled this to be plan this to be in Detroit in the United States But visa problems there looked like it wasn't going to get people there if that happened and then we moved it to Ireland Hopefully better visa times But then it turned out a bunch of people at the last minute couldn't come here because of that so that was again worries and then there were the layoffs at Red Hat, which That sucked for all of us at Red Hat It affected company morale and it had a direct impact on Fedora and you know that not just Red Hat or is morale, but everybody in the community have really felt hurt by that so that Added to this Really just interesting times and not the good way I guess Then this last month all the things going on CentOS So and a lot of worry coming out of that from people you know in the community and a lot of Fedora users and people on the internet Kind of casually looking into like what's what's the pattern here is Fedora next And not Fedora next or earlier strategy Fedora next and bad something bad happening to us Yeah, so all that's going on and that's all kind of in the background here, and I hope that we can kind of Let that fade into being background noise I don't mean to diminish the importance of all of those you know world crisis things or you know how How that things at Red Hat affected all of us But there are none of these are things that we in Fedora can do anything directly about there There's kind of you know hiss in the background, and I hope that we can we can focus on the things that we can deal with and Kind of fade into this peaceful universe at least this is a background that Mo drew here during the COVID COVID lockdown times to the Fedora wallpaper desktop wallpaper, and I really liked it especially for that time. It's kind of a Place where we can kind of relax and remember you know Fedora is bigger than Red Hat I love that they pay me full time to work on things and I love that they provide all the resources for Fedora a lot of resources But really like all of us coming together to be Fedora ends be Fedora friends Trust family No matter who we work for like that's that's what Fedora is about That's it's bigger than all that and hopefully even in that chaotic world we can find this peaceful place and then though even more than just finding this piece and Respite from it all Fedora should be a place where we can Do this thing we want to do in a build this world a world where everyone benefits from free and open-source software That's built by Inclusive welcoming and open-minded communities. That's that's the Fedora project vision and I really hope that We can we can get to that utopia and I have a lot of optimism for how things are going this is a picture from a NASA 1970s like how is the future going to look what our space station is going to be like that? I loved as a child and still love there on the internet today They published these and it's it that's to me that symbolizes that utopian future To other people you may have your own picture of it, but that's that that's what I mean by this here Yeah, but yeah, how are we doing towards that? One of the things we've been doing the last few years is a survey of Fedora users and Fedora contributors that we could put out there in general and tried to make as Scientific as possible. It's an anonymous survey where people can give feedback on different questions. We've designed and This just finished up on the end of July So it's hot off the presses in fact when I was working on this talk I actually didn't know what these numbers were going to be until the last minute And so I actually stayed up late and had if we did things because there were different ways things were going to go So oh, hey, what have I pressed? Wrong button on the remote. There we go. Okay, perfect solve problems computers are great Yeah, so this is this is the first time we did it Satisfaction survey and this came back really very high an average of 4.2 of being out of five of how satisfied people are So things in the bottom are good there And that year there was about 400 respondents in every category 800 total so pretty good response rate too that we thought The next year we got about 20 percent more contributor responses and about three times a number of user responses so almost 2,000 responses overall and Basically the average went to 4.3. So things were getting better looking up now With all of that backdrop of the apocalyptic things and everything else and you know especially all of the online negativity that was coming from every direction it felt like Over the last month. I thought okay. This is gonna be this might be rough One of the things I didn't even mention there that we had a change proposal So I'm gonna talk about a little bit which was very contentious And I really was worried that there'd be a lot of people who came in to just you know trash us on this and you know So I thought was it gonna be you know is the average of two now or I don't know but it turns out They love us they really love us No, we that we actually got really good response on here This is up again about 70 percent overall so almost 3,000 responses this time And the average score went down a tiny bit drops to be a 4.2 back to where it was two years ago But that's just kind of you know, I would love to see it all going up and up and up But I think it's fair room some room for improvement there We're in the fours and we can grow and I got optimism for that and it was really nice to see these positive growing numbers here Continuing so I think we actually really are in a good place and I do have that room to improve and we That that's what we want to work on here I'm gonna look specifically at the year-over-year change here in each things. That's something I thought was kind of fun and we actually had Zero contributors who rated us at the lowest number one this year and by contributor in this case It is people who only identified as a user when they were asked to the different ways they participate in the project So a lot of the people who are contributors are users as well, but that's the split here But so there's no one who said that they were involved at more than a user level who said they had you know no satisfaction And it could be that we just you know lost those people there There's six people last year who said that But I noticed that last year there have been eight people who said that we were score two and this year It's up by six fourteen So I hope that we converted all of those six people to just a little bit a little bit more optimism And we'll see how that continues as we go on Another indicator here just this is from the introduce yourself threads that community members have started on the Fedora discussion forum and this is basically you know show up say hello and Maybe somebody says hello back and just go a little bit about yourself and it's kind of neat to see this just sort of Organically grow year over year with more people participating and more messages if you are watching this and haven't said hello Please join you just if you've been around Fedora for a long time or if you're brand new It's a great place to just drop in and you know start talking to people and I really see this as kind of a sign of health when a community is Has that sort of natural engagement there and that that's growing the place to go is in the water cooler section of Our forum which is sort of the metaphorical Thing where back when people used to go into offices all the time When you want a little break you just go and get some water And there'd be somebody else standing around where the water bubbler is and you know chitchat a little bit This is kind of our chitchat section of the forum there up go there There's also an introduction section in our Fedora space on matrix who chat dot Fedora project org I always actually seen you know increased activity there as well. It actually been so quiet for a while I just was thinking about starting a conversation about shutting that down because an empty Introduction's room is kind of embarrassing, but it actually started picking up So thank you for everybody engaging there as well. That's another place to do this kind of thing I don't have a chart for that one, but yeah, it's a Okay, so this is a Section where I'm going to show some other metrics which are about our the Stats on the the metrics we have on the number of systems running out there in the world And I show a dinosaur here because we do not do any sort of invasive tracking This is all kind of an observation level thing So it's sort of like doing an archaeological dig is something that you is a millions of years of reserve hundreds of millions of years And you can't really reconstruct exactly you kind of a theory about how you're putting things back together So Steven Smoojin who's one of the people who's worked on this and done a lot of work on making that system work over the years I've joke about this dinosaur thing and this is the dinosaur represents uncertainty is basically what I'm saying here So here is the latest things from DNF count me for release release release and I was like wait a minute I've been that that looks bad. This should be going up and to the right something is wrong here So actually something is wrong here and it's one of I don't have as many Crafts about this as I often do it might talk because I found some bugs here There's definitely a bug in the way DNF count me is recording systems Their system age and there seems to be something else as well because I was digging into this I actually noticed this is another view of the same data that was sliced by by variant and Each of the releases at their peak The latest one here actually hasn't reached its peak yet because it isn't that usually is right before the next release So that will still grow but you can still see it's not really the great trend, but I noticed that This is only desktop systems that are going down. So all the rpmo s tree-based things are going up including the desktops and Server cloud those are also going up if they break them out, but the desktop ones are going down which is weird So I think there's some kind of bug there And so I started looking into the older method of tracking where you just count the number of IP addresses that show up in the mirror every day Sorry, and I shouldn't say tracking because there is no system tracking here This is just kind of counts overall. So the other older counting method And it happens that there is almost a two-to-one correlation here If you just double the height of the old line It hits the new one and that it's so close to a factor of two that I thought are we double counting and I had people check this Like double check this so many times We're pretty confident that that's just actually what the correlation factor is and there's there's reasons for that that we can Talk about that it might be reasonable basically Between behind every network between everybody's home home router or whatever on average There's two systems or there may be some big places where there are a lot of systems behind one Network address translation address or so what we'll see what that is But you can see that like there's a pretty good correlation there for those releases Pretty magical. I'm I'm not really actually can like it still might be a Double counting error, and I don't really like the the actual numbers aren't really important to me Even if it's double counting, it's kind of like the trend that matters So the trend matches in both cases here, which makes sense But if I look now at the more recent releases you can see it at the very beginning It works and then all of a sudden the DNF count me on kind of flops off, which is Really strange and I think it might have something to do with some bug in the way that is working in DNF So I didn't dig much further into this, but I am you know I don't want to just be like oh I'm looking picking the numbers that I want to see but I think there's pretty good reason to believe that the more Optimistic numbers here are actually more reflective of reality. Well, we'll see next time around I may be like well that turn out. There's something terrible That's part of the the fun of doing archaeology, and you do more research and you find out more things But that's that's where that is there Yeah, sorry uncertain results if I didn't traditionally do this in my state of the door I might have just skipped the whole thing, but that would have been weird. So here's here's the transparent. That's what I've got I think it's I think it's mostly okay. This is a pause for a water segue here. So In other news exciting things that have happened recently in fedora If you follow it all this state of fedora talks, I've done you've heard me say for years that Having most of our activity on mailing lists and on IRC hides our activity It buries it under something where most people who are you using the internet today on their phones or however Are not really seeing or even able to participate in everything that's going on and there is a Lot going on in the project. So part of this moving our chat from IRC to matrix, which has a much Lower barrier to entry and kind of more like what people are used to in modern chat apps That's been that's been one big improvement And I'm also hoping we can move a lot of our mailing list discussions to Discussion depth for our project at org, which is a discourse-based forum I think in doing that it'll be more obvious that we are alive as a project and in fact It will help us be more alive. We are selecting out a lot of possible participants for bad reasons It we want to make sure we can bring people who are been engaged in the project are used to those Along as well. We actually had a big long session here again This is the benefit of doing my my keynote at the end of the Conference, we had a big long session talking to people about how that will work One of the things is we've got to make sure we bring the content to the new platform It's Mo pointed out to me Mo is right here in the front. That's why I'm talking about her all the time But she pointed out to me that it's you know It is about the content and having people reasons for people to be there It's a social problem more than a technical problem can't be solved with technology And so one of the things I wanted to do to do that is bring our change proposals there Where we talk about you know, what's going to be different in the next release of fedora We traditionally talked about those on the fedora develop mailing list. I wanted more visibility I wanted more participation and more feedback or engagement. So We had the first change proposal for for our Linux 40. We decided to do that on the discussion forum And how did that go? Well There's another ancient curse be careful what you wish for we had 1378 posts in less than a month on this topic and most of those during the first week and over the weekend I You can see the numbers in orange there on the slides I probably should have put little fire graphics on them or something to make it show how dramatic it was But it was it probably kind of felled on fire or felt, you know, kind of like this another another view people got really upset and A lot of people were coming in You know, we got a lot of accusations that this was decided in the back room and that IBM had made us You know was making these decisions and forcing it on the users who didn't want any of this stuff and I realized that a lot of the people coming in here We're not necessarily new to fedora as a user But we're new to this process. So a lot of people actually said yeah I've been using fedora for 20 years and this is the first time I've spoken up in one of these changes So they really felt upset about it and I realized that this is kind of a thing that we have the same problem with our release Process where people you see every time we are like, oh, we've got to we've got to slip the release date from what we'd planned To a later date. Oh, no is fedora, you know, they don't have their act together Really like that's a normal part of software for development like Every every schedule was optimistic, right? And so usually what people do is they just don't tell you what their release date is And surprise it's done when it's done. And you know, so even like the redhead interface like schedule That's you know, they they they tell you when it's ready not when not what's going on behind the scenes And if it or we show what's going on behind the scenes and it's the same thing with changes We don't have that back room all of these things are done in the open in public And so this is this is not a done deal kind of thing. This was people bringing it This is a proposal they're working on it happened You know, I'd seen it before if they're working on it, but most people and fest go the fedora engineering steering committee that makes the decisions This is the first time they're seeing it. So It wasn't that back room deal But that's what people expected when they came in because you know, they're used to big companies when making making these decisions in and then it's it is a done deal and basically as a user all you can do is go to their forum and just light that up and Put all the complaints you can in place and get all your friends to talk about how bad it is and respond to everything with anger And you're not expecting the people who are making the decision to even listen Maybe some forum manager person will collect things up and that it ends up being a like This is the weight and the heat and the anger and that's how like you can get your feedback which like that's not our process at all and A lot of people commented actually that they were upset that this fedora would even consider such a thing that this could even be proposed So that that upset me but in a different way because fedora is a big collaborative project and I hope most of the people in the room help most of the people listening know and understand this already But I want to talk about it because it is such an important thing Fedora tries new things. That's part of who we are Uh We've got we've got freedom as our core value and I think a lot of people you know identify privacy and Digital privacy as part of the free software source software, you know, it's one it's part of that value And I think that's true in fedora. We also have values for features and first So we want to try new things. That's really important And most crucially we are friends all working together It doesn't mean we think the same but it has to be safe to propose things that other people might disagree with like people have strong opinions on things, but That's okay. We don't always have to agree But we're always working together towards this common goal to make this world that utopian world like where everyone benefits from free and open source software And it's built by inclusive welcoming and open minded communities. And that's what we have to be in order to do this so uh yeah That that's that's what we need. And so I don't know if people recognize the painting here. This is the school of Athens Socrates And so this is how that turned out So we need it to be safe Even when people think a proposal is annoying or something is terrible or even dangerous If something might corrupt the youth like we've got to make room for those proposals Because we got to be able to talk about them So we're going to continue Trying to do this in the open we could instead bring this into some sort of back room We could put it back to the mailing lists or we could use features to make it so that you know only People who have been active in the project for to a certain level or certain meet certain other thresholds can participate Or even see the discussion at a certain point. We could do those things, but I really don't want to I think That transparency. I think it's great that we had more people involved in this We're going to we're going to try some new rules this next time around Uh, particularly we're going to have zero tolerance for personal attacks, which is generally what we do in fedora anyways But this time because we hadn't really Strongly level set the expectations We were kind of lenient on a lot of posts that we could see someone's really angry and they wanted to express themselves And they also happened to you know, say that the person was Something bad about the person proposing it Including that uh, the people proposing it, you know, aren't Don't have fedora's best interests in mind that they are acting in bad faith and some of those are those are a Former personal attack that kind of undermines undermines how we collaborate in fedora. So Uh, this next time around we're going to hide those as a moderation thing that Which gives you a chance to edit it We would like to have here your opinion, but you've got to be part of the process part of fedora and and work in a collaborative way it doesn't mean There should be dissent when we want to hear all of the sides But you can you can make your point without making personal attacks and conspiracy theories and all of those things Uh, we're also having in addition to the rules We're we have a video introducing the process and kind of some more background presented to people And we'll see how that goes the next time So, uh, we'll refine from that and hopefully things will get better and better and you know No one will have to drink the hemlock in the end and we'll be able to Continue doing fedora in an open and transparent way and make that grow and grow okay, uh, so That was maybe a little bit Yeah, I got excited. I've got excited the first time I did this got excited about the second time I'm passionate about that. That's really important to fedora. Um The other thing I'd mentioned red hats layoffs before and Red, well layoffs really sucked. I I won't go into it in detail because Uh, there's not really a lot. I can say it's what it really is those things out of our control um And yeah, this is not like the none don't take anything. I'm saying as like official red hat or of those observations it Seems that the cuts really targeted Program manager roles at the company. There are a lot of people Who had that title in various ways and actually even are the people in open source the open source program office who are not Doing what we think it was program management in any way actually had their Had um their roles coded as program manager, which I don't know there might be some like metadata is important everybody Let's get our labels right but Yeah, so it kind of did feel like oh like wow fedora is in the cross tiers here. This really like hit hit but I don't think that was actually the case so it really um It it was miserable, but we weren't fedora wasn't particularly targeted other actually important Actually other important projects and things that in red hat also have to deal with the same kind of thing So it sucks all around Fedora has a kind of unique problem because we actually have The assumption that we have a funded program manager role like codified into the fedora council charter And this really is a role that we depend on so and Ben cotton who was the program manager has a really good explanation of why this kind of thing needs to be a Paid position. There's a lot of things in fedora that you know Amazing volunteers do wonderful things but There are some things which we need to make sure happen And you can never make volunteers do things. That's one of the beauty of being a volunteer If you don't want to do something, you know, you don't have to you can just go off and do something fun instead Of that difficult thing or just you're keeping to a routine and so on So this is kind of a role which is a lot about Routine and so that's important and in general kind of keeping the momentum this idea of flywheel theory You should find ben's book and and look this up. It's it's really good But yeah, so a paid role is helpful Doesn't necessarily need to be red hat paying for that role theoretically, but it's not like anybody else has stepped up but luckily Mike McGrath, who's my management chain got a new position created which was moving heaven and earth under the circumstances in the company I think it's unfortunate that he had to do that But like I said layoffs suck. So I'm really glad that he did Because you can't hire back for a role you just cut in layoffs for you know legal reasons on this can't be the same But it's also kind of a chance to actually reinvent what exactly we want the role to be in The role to be it doesn't have to be like a program manager at red hat in general It can be something really really fedora specific. So we actually have an opening coming this soon There'll be more details coming up that soon So I am I'm glad that to get that support Also speaking of paid roles one that red hat doesn't fund that I've been trying to get funded for 10 years They we have a diversity advisor position on the council And I really think that should also be a full-time paid role for similar reasons and it is it is hard work So if anybody else out there like I said, this doesn't have to be a red hat role Someone else can be paid to work on fedora full-time. I would love to see another company step up and help fund this for us I think that would be really important because that is Fundamental to who we are as thorough as well. And I think it's an area where we could always use help and growth So yeah, you know challenge everybody Yeah, um and so finally because this is the state of fedora and kind of have the past the present and the future here Where is fedora going? So our last big strategic plan for the project was called fedora next and that was almost a decade ago So it's time for a new map And to have a map and a plan first we need to know what we're aiming for Famously it is difficult to make predictions, especially about the future And anybody who says that they know where technology will be in five years like they're flat out wrong They need to go back and talk to socrates and you learn a little bit about the nature of knowledge but Just think about you know How technology five years ago and like look at what's in the tech news today and you know all the stuff with Large language models. I think you know some people might have predicted Generally, but like knowing where to invest and what's important like that would be very hard five years in the future So what do we want to invest in for five years? There's going to be some specific things But in general we want to double the number of fedora contributors who are active every week So that means we have more people who are engaged and we have a really healthy project That is able to grow and change and so whatever comes at us from a technical point of view. We'll be able to adapt and have You know people who are interested and who will bring fedora into what's needed at the time And so that's that's the overall guiding star to double the number of contributors who are active every week I joked about this last time when I did this so I'm gonna do it again When I say it out loud you can have that it is not ambiguous But in writing it's very hard to get double the number of contributors active every week written in a way That doesn't sound like we mean to every week double the number until we have infinite number of Contributors, which would be awesome, but is probably not an achievable goal. Sorry till I'm gonna keep phrasing it that way because I don't have another good way to put it But that's the basic goal growth if we could if we could do that exponential growth great But I'll be happy for doubling in you know that by the end of five years have Twice the number we have now So what is a contribution exactly? This is the definition we came up came up with You have to actually be doing something it's not you know It's not just signing up having a username like that's not a contribution I like that to be a plural thing not to be contributions And not just a drive through like you're making contributions before you're a contributor It doesn't have to be a lot. It can be very little and be a lot of different areas But you have something where where you're there And it has to be something that actually kind of advances this in the direction of our project It kind of fits fits the mission and vision, which is very broad But that makes a contribution and it's not something that's just like an incidentally a benefit Where it is Something that happens to happens to be there, but you're not you're not really intentionally putting yourself into it and That's yeah, so this is the definition I came up with And nobody's come up with a better one if you want to help improve this again everything in fedora We are all about the incremental improvement So if you have ideas for improving this I've opened to it, but this is basically our working definition here And this is another thing I've talked about before I will not go into detail on this But this is kind of the framework for strategic planning and execution we use in fedora It is called a logic model and the basic idea is that over here on the Left side the right side We have kind of that the abstract high level things the guiding star and you know Your mission vision any kind of things the things you want to see happen But that are not things you can actually directly affect and then over on the left It kind of scales down to the more concrete and I like this model a lot because it really tries to make you connect What you're what you're saying your high level thing is into how you're actually going to do it And also connect what you're doing back into how it does that thing So we've been working in fedora council and fedora at large on you some of the themes that are kind of on the very high abstract side of things These are kind of the focus areas there and I'm actually not going to go into big detail on the specific ones here A lot because you know we're going through this process and we kind of hit against This very rough patch and kind of the momentum died out of the work we are doing this I was hoping to present like here's our logic model for what we're going to be doing at flock this year We were way behind on that target, but you know Given the state of the world given the state of everything. I think that's okay I think it's more important to make sure we have The community working on this and that we're you know working towards this overall goal Then to have some sort of you know perfect thing on paper But we do want to work on it and so Yeah, this is kind of where we lost momentum here I may be a little little time on this one here like there's I'll go through the actual themes. So fedora is for everyone Work on accessibility that's making sure that people no matter you know what accommodations they need can use our software and participate in our project And we want to make sure that you the fedora linux is available in more people in more places on in more In more systems and that we invest more in our local communities We want to work on mentorship. This is we want to both lead in how we do the distribution and what's in the distribution technically That's basically this things here and then Kind of how we structure the project and and how how we are already kind of make the things that we're working on now Kind of grow into better stronger things Kind of the one we really haven't actually talked about yet in Detail is the ecosystem connections, which is kind of about how we relate to Other other linux distributions and our downstreams. So given Brought changes in that the last recent times Maybe it's okay that we didn't really get to talking about that in depth yet And we actually kind of had some of that conversation here at flock at one of the panels So that's that's continuing we'll have to figure out where that will go Next down the road here we do need to get this restarted It's It is an important thing to have we want to have Have a plan that makes sense and goes where we're going and I think over the next six months and we will come I'm going to come up with some specific dates for that I don't really have that right now But I my target overall is to have something that we really are feel good about as a community with overall input You know work from the council and from Community at large into having something we all feel good about that will present at the beginning of next year And at thawstem Next year So in order to do that we really need all of your help We need feedback on these things We need people who are you know running for the foot our council and helping to work through the process And you think about areas that Community has come up with where you would like to contribute to those or where you could be a leader because for each of these themes We really want to have somebody who is the point person for that who is Kind of helping to keep that organized and making sure that that thing is moving forward And we're going to need a lot of different people with a lot of different skills for all of that And I also need to file a ticket with the design team to update the logo Oh, it's already updated. I just didn't find it. Oh, oh, that's terrible. I should have should have checked with you Okay, well, this is a lovely sticker sheet and there's a better version with the right logo on it there somewhere So yeah, the hope is with all that um, I think We've had this rough patch. We've had rough patches before Things are interesting, but I think that interesting, you know can be good. We can use that Use that to advance the project and we can use that You know that the times have changed to move forward to where we want to be towards, you know This utopian vision or the utopian picture that you have in mind when you think of you know the fedora ideals Thank you everyone Uh, do we want to do questions in the room? There's like 10 people in this room this time There was a lot more the first time this is kind of like a fake audience But go you can applaud. Yes Excellent, thank you. Uh, does anybody have any questions? Yes Okay, we're getting a mic run over This is kind of like a stupid question, but you know, you know the saying about it actually are stupid questions But I'll take even those that's will we ever have a fedora mascot a fedora mascot. So we have We've got a we actually have a number of fedora mascots that are Kind of under content. Yeah under I don't know what content is the wrong word but Hold on let me see if I can find them just a second. Am I the fedora mascot? I hope not I was thinking of like a cow Who gives like advice? Have a little like comic strip like garfield Except with like computer problems things here A revamp of our beloved fedora characters here. So these are some of the Animals that have been in fedora and these are actually the So there's a panda here that is you see appearing things at different places And uh different so these are the current cartoon versions of these. I'm not sure I I don't know. I kind of feel like classic beefy still is is is the beefy miracle version, but You know, there's the new one's fine. We've got A badger. So we've got we've got we've got these here that are kind of the mascots We don't have any any one single mascot and I I feel like in some ways that's kind of appropriate for fedora because I feel like getting everybody in fedora to rally around one favorite animal would just be um We've got a diversity of opinions about favorite animals in fedora and I think that's okay Yeah, do you want to run the microphone? Thank you. I have one and it may be also pretty stupid one. Yeah, seriously But uh, this is something that I've been having some some thoughts Um By definition a project is finite. It has a start and it it must Have an end. You should buy ben's book where he points out that fedora is not actually a project but a program Uh, the assack. Yeah. Um, are we planning to continue being named project? Yeah, so I actually had a discussion on Mastodon I'm trying to do mastodon. It doesn't come naturally to me But about yeah about that naming problem because project Project has a meaning in open source that people understand that um is It's hard to think of something that is better if you have a suggestion. I'm I'm open to it I think fedora program doesn't really sound right even though it may be technically right in the project management sense Um, there's also a thing that is very red hat That is kind of important to how this got named project in the first place. Um, which is Red hat works with open source projects and makes enterprise Products and this project product distinction inside some of the red hat business unit and marketing is like a foundational myth that if you try and poke at you'll get um You know mythological level response sometimes to To what are you doing threatening things and in fact at one point when we are kind of working on the fedora next strategy And we wanted to to use kind of product thinking or it's kind of about how to put polish on our outputs The things you look at like what do users want to need and put those into the things we're giving them We kind of started wanted to talk about you know fedora workstation fedora server as products And that was the one time at red hat that I got a Friendly talking to about you know Whether whether this was a thing fedora should really do or should reconsider and so um I We decided you know, we don't really need to fight over that and backed away from product I think that we really would have thought we probably could but I don't think it would have been a Useful outcome actually the other one is about hats This is another thing because especially at the very beginning of fedora. They were really Worried at red hat that it would be seen as you know a red hat endorsed product And so they didn't want us to use hats at all in our marketing And that actually is still a request today and that is why even though we are named fedora You don't see fedora hats in any of the fedora official things Again a plight request that is not a fedora hat. That is a red socks hat You can wear that that's fine But that's why we don't do hats in our marketing again a plight request from our sponsor that seemed not worth antagonizing To stick with the name fedora project, there's an easy way out The end is defined by world domination Was that the end is defined by world domination by world domination? Yes, we will be done when every Just like that paperclips game when everything in the universe is turned into fedora, then we'll be satisfied Yes, the project is done That might not meet some of the What Of course I think there's the smart Measurable wait, I forget what the s stands for that's been a long conference measurable attainable Something Specific right that's world domination specific the entire universe. Yeah, that's all right But measurable is the entire universe if it are it. Yes Attain maybe we may fail on the attainable on that one though. So I mean we can Aspirational that we could call that All right, does anybody else have any questions or silly comments? I think we're at the silly comments phase of the conference I think I've seen blue fedora's or may have seen some more fashionable than me former project leader wearing a Wonderful blue fedora But not officially in marketing just as a fashion choice. Oh, it just happens to be a blue happens happens. Okay. I've seen them. Yeah. Yeah Thank you everyone. You're welcome