 Jerry you're not a 20-something young thruster, what's the appeal of the target? I've been involved in target from day one I'd had a lot of experience in track racing, circuit racing over the years and Mike John got me to come on the original committee and yeah I just fell in love with it as soon as I was and got involved. Choice of weapon a 635 we used to see quite a few of them around circuit racing or street circuits why that why is that the choice here? I was involved with the 635s in the in the mid-80s I worked on Kent Baygents Group A 635 and then the JPS 635s loved the cars fell in love with them I'm a real 635 nut I guess you could say. Reason to be well balanced but a little heavy aren't they? Very heavy yeah we that is the issue is weight weight is a big issue. Just tell me a little bit about this and what you've done preparation wise. This car is actually a new car we built last year it's an M6, it's a twin cam, the other car I had was a single cam, it was a complete new build, it was a shell, it was an interesting story because my wife and I owned this car 20 years ago as a road car and we got it back off the lady that we sold it to and turned it into a race car. So who came up with the graphic design? Well that was my stupid idea it was a great idea at the time but once we started picking all these squares off with tweezers my wife and I it wasn't such a good idea. And what are your aspirations for the event? To finish we always go into this event to finish it's it's five days and you have to finish you know it's no point being the fastest guy on the first two stages and ending up upside down in a padding. So there's no red mist? No red mist but me no no we drive it hard and fast but well within ourselves.