 So anymore No, it's in your you got it that minimize this it is I only know that because I've done it a few times. You kind of take seven Push it Zones just zones. Okay I Yeah, you took it and took it out. So that's what we were talking about at the end of the meeting yesterday Yes, that's exactly what I was talking about Oh, it is okay Good morning, everybody and welcome to the zoning administrator meeting. My name is Susie Murray I'm the zoning administrator for the city of Santa Rosa and I am also a senior planner with the city of Santa Rosa. I've worked for the city since since 2006 So all but four years of that time has been spent doing current development So with that I am going to call the meeting to order at 1033 on July 6th. I want to first I want to open up a Public comment period This is a time when any person may address matters that are not listed on the agenda But are within the subject matter of the jurisdiction the public the public or the public may comment on agenda items when the item is Called each speaker will be allowed three minutes to speak So if anybody is here and would like to comment, please raise your hand No, and Seeing no hands raised as are there any people on zoom if you wish to make a comment via zoom Please raise your hand. You may find the raise your hand button at the bottom of the screen If you're dialing in via telephone, please dial star nine to raise your hand and star six mute once called upon So there are no hands raised. Thank you moving on Zoning administrator business the statement of purpose is the zoning administrator is appointed by the director of planning and economic development and Has the responsibility and authority to conduct public meetings and hearings and to act on applications for minor or reduced review authority projects or entitlements these are land use permits a Determination or decision by the zoning administrator may be appealed to the appeal body Including the appropriate appeal body including the design review board cultural heritage board Planning Commissioner City Council as applicable to the decision Any actions taken today can be appealed within 10 business days the The 10th business day or I'm sorry 10 calendar days So let me rephrase that 10 calendar days This is the count 10th calendar day does fall on a Sunday So it'll be extended to the following Monday and if somebody could look up that date for me. I always forget to 17 it will be on Monday July 17. Thank you And I will try to remember to remind us all of that as we as I take actions So the first item on the agenda I'll actually item 4.0 is consent items and we have none The first scheduled item is 5.1 is a public meeting and it's for the zone Club parking lot improvements and road modifications the project is exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act It's minor design review and the address is located is at 1011 101 common drive and I think we might want to revise the scope of that work. This is On the agenda. I think this is actually improvements to the actual structure. So It will Yeah, I'm gonna let Jandon Frisco Explain the project and he'll go into a little bit more detail on that Thank you for the handoff Ms. Zoning the administrator and good morning to everyone who was in attendance today I'm here to present to you the zones remodel located at 1011 common drive the applicant is proposing an Interior and exterior remodel of an existing one-story building the exterior modifications include new windows on the front Elevation and modifying the roof to add a 680 square feet vaulted ceiling the chloresterie lighting at the building entry Here one can see that the project is located at the intersection of patio court in harm and drive and This is a more of a blurred bird's-eye view perspective of the project And you can see that it's adjacent to Montgomery Village is near farmers Lane And again is at the intersection of patio court in harm and drive The general plan designation is retail and business services and the property is on general commercial Does both the general plan is only our consistent with each other and a meeting facility is a permitting use within a general commercial zoning District and here are some of the required findings for the project Needs are to find these continue and as the zoning administrator stated previously This project has been found in compliance with the California environment environmental quality act in its category exam due to Due to involving minor modifications to an existing facility with no expansion of the current use And here this is the site plan and one can see that this is the vaulted This is the vaulted sailing that I talked about in the project description The clever story lighting is kind of hard to see I can zoom it out. I can zoom it actually and These are the new windows that they're proposing and Also at the bottom is the trash enclosure Back over Thus it is recommended by the planning and economic development department that the zoning of ministry to approve minor design review permit to allow the proposed exterior and interior modification located at 1011 harm and drive And this is my contact information and The applicant is here is here online if if anyone wishes to ask her a question Just does she want to make a presentation or make any comments? We can ask her to raise her hand and grid if you want to add anything so this presentation I'll present on your own you can raise your hand and mark will allow you to speak Any hands raised mark? No hands raised. She is able to unmute herself if she would like to speak Ingrid are you there? Um, yeah, can you hear me? Okay. Now we can do you have anything you want to add to Janden's presentation? No, no, thank you Jen and you've covered that very well. Thank you Great. Thank you. Okay, and I'm gonna open up the public comment period. Is there anybody in the room that would like to comment on this project? Is there anybody on zoom if so, please raise your hand if you wish to make a comment via zoom Please raise your hand you may find the raise your hand button at the bottom of the screen if you're dialing in via telephone Please dial star 9 to raise your hand and star 6 to unmute once called upon Zoning administrator. There are no hands raised I Have one question and I don't know if this is for Janden or Ingrid Will there be any landscaping done as part of this project? I know there was a previous parking lot project done, but Will any additional landscaping be done now? Ingrid just dropped off. She did She might be having issues not the world where I'm not that I'm aware of Okay, um, I Am going to just add a catch-all condition Not knowing that if we can just add if any landscaping is done Staff will review that planning plan in advance And the reason I want to do that is because I don't I'm not clear what they're doing with trees out there So we want to see that and make sure it's in compliance with our tree ordinance So I think if we just go ahead and add that and I'll go ahead and I've got it Already added to mine. So I'll Oh Ingrid you're back Yes, I'm not in Santa Rosa, right? I lost the connection, but I'm back. I have a quick question for you Does this project include any landscaping or was that done as part of the street improvement parking lot improvement? Um, the landscaping was already finished at the time that parking lot was researched Perfect, that's all I need to know. So there's no landscaping proposed as part of this project then Nick's that last request and I have done a site visit. I think this is going to be a beautiful improvement I'm very excited about it. I have reviewed the resolution I can make the findings and I am happy to say that I'm just going to sign it and approve it as written So well done. Congratulations Ingrid. Go enjoy your time away from Santa Rosa Thank you Did I open I did I did open public Thank you Have a nice time Bye-bye Okay, so the second item on our agenda 5.2 is another public meeting this It's for a security fence which is exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act and it's proposed at 1760 Piner Road. This is design review city file number dr 22-049 and again Chanton Briscoe is the project planner And he's bringing up the presentation Thank you, Ms. Zoning administrator and this is 1760 Piner Road located at the rail of the shopping center And this is a minor design review The applicant is proposing to install a 285 foot black muddle fence along the rear of the shopping center and they've required required entitlement for this is a design review and I also want to know that that that the fence is eight foot high and here's where the project is located and Let me see if I can zoom in a little bit So as you can see this Property of Butts Piner Creek So this project was present also presented in front of the waterways advisory committee and the fence will be going along Back like essentially along the blue property line On the south side on the south side correct. Thank you. And when when we presented this Initial application to the waterways advisory committee the first The first proposal was a chain-lick fence, but the applicant took key to the waterways advisories comments and they switched it out for this black muddle fence and all and also they were going to take Be extra diligent when they're planning around the trees the mature trees along the creek trail And here's the site plan as you can see The fence will be built along the existing trail along Piner Creek There's no tricycle was here And this is a bird's-eye view of the project the general plan designation is light industry and a zoning district is general commercial And it's kind of an inconsistent inconsistency with the general planning general plan destination in zoning, but It's okay, but the fence is allowed in both. Yes, perfect And yes, I this is project history as I've discussed previously And thus it's recommended by the planning and economic development department request that the zoning administrator approved design review for the security fence at 1760 Piner Road And are the applicants here and would they like to add anything? I don't think they showed up. No, we are here. Oh, you are I'm the tenant actually from the property. Oh good. Okay. And do you have anything you'd like to add to I Would like to comment actually so we really do need a fence. I'm a local convenience store owner and We are having issues like people are grabbing merchandise and running toward it's like a It's easy to it says easy escape route. I mean, I do have some videos as well Even there's another tenant actually construction worker was working and he'd see a guy walk in and steal his tools and Jump around the fence. The current fence is pretty short actually and it's like easiest escape way I mean, we all know what's the current situation in California is right now When we don't want to put burden on the police as well But person is stealing like $2 candy or $3 candy people were having beer and jumping over the fence It's the easiest escape route for the safety of my employees for our tenants And for our customers, we really do need this actually That's all I would like to say. I mean, if you want, I do have some pictures and videos. I would like to share with you It's not necessary. I've done a site visit and I think that it was noticed if anybody had questions And I can't really put those up unless we had them in advance so that we could add them, but it's okay Okay, um is and is the gentleman are you with him? My name is John Travis. I'm here to represent Eugene Berger managed this Ted Donaldson who's in charge of the the building company. He's actually on vacation He asked me if I would come and sit in for him. I've been property Taking care of this property for over 15 years From the last ownership to this ownership and through the years we've had multiple Issues with uh, like they said they would go into the stores take stuff run And there's a four foot three foot high fence authority Basically collapsed and they run over and they go up and down the creek We've had issues that the police had to come because of the same thing Of violence and then the people would jump in easy access to get to the creek Nobody could find everybody anybody once They get into that path of that creek We're hoping they Establish this fence to at least Detour the idea that they could just do something and run right away and In hide and get away. They have to go either way down the street On the physical street itself to escape So our hope is that uh planning Would acknowledge that and for the safety not only of the people that work there But the people that come and buy things in the property That they could feel a little bit more secure because we do have a lot of homeless that Will spend the night there They leave all their All their waste etc. I understand it's it's quite it's quite a mess and we try to be tolerant Especially me. I'm asked uh Oversee this and try to push people along but we're trying to be respectful Understanding that we don't have that misfortune And but yet we need to kind of keep control of it or before it go it get crazy Between the parking of the cars that People leave out there the incidents that happen that are you name when they happen there you've I get it I get it Okay, so now I I mean if you if it's okay, I'd like to open up the public comment period And see if there's anybody who would would not agree with us. So um Yeah, it's if Other than the two gentlemen in the room that represent the the project applicant team Is there anybody else wanting to comment if you wish to make a comment via zoom? Please raise your hand. You may find the raise your hand button at the bottom of the screen If you're dialing in via telephone, please dial star nine to raise your hand and star six to be once called upon We do have Hi, I'm so sorry I got pulled away. Um, have you gotten to the 910 Fresno Avenue yet? Nope, that one is coming up next on the agenda. So stay tuned. Okay. You haven't missed it Okay, so is there are there any other hands raised There are no other hands raised great Okay, so I um, I want to say thank you So I agree with the waterways advisory committee The chain link is not appropriate along power creekways. These are pathways where people um travel like to enjoy them and um and so I appreciate very much you working with jandan and um And respecting this the recommendation of the waterways advisory committee and changing the design I think it's a beautiful fence. I also agree that I think it's necessary Um, I think they made another um recommendation and I didn't see it in the plans It may be an access gate so that people from the your Your side of the you know, the shopping center side can access the gate Is that something you considered or that would kind of take away from them being able to To leave the premises if you put a gate there that just allows them an easier way to run through the To escape they'll still escape. Okay. That's that's fine. So you considered it And there's on the either side of the creek where it starts and begins There's access to I know to come in I did a site visit I went out and did a site visit and I first I think you're gonna have the nicest fence along that creek And I want you to know that everybody else when they come in and they want to do their own development projects They'll be held to a very similar standard. Maybe not the exact same fence But it certainly won't be chain link if I have anything to say about it So I appreciate very much that you guys Improved the design and are installing the fence. I did I walked the whole pathway a couple of times actually and um I have reviewed Gendon's or the the conditions the drafted conditions and you've had an opportunity to review and approve those I have not looked at I wish it was given the phone call the car I would like to just Oh, oh, so there's somebody else that may have seen these So I I did they see I know there was a revised resolution that went out yesterday And it included that during the installation of the project that are not during but prior to the installation of the project You consult with an arborist to Get the protective measures for the trees that are in the path So it ran within a foot or two away from the tree So the fence right ran this way it would go around the tree so the tree wouldn't be Doesn't have to be removed or anything But there are some other protective measures that the arborist will have to give you and that includes The way the proper ways to cut roots and those measures need to be shown on your building permit plan for the fence Okay, and so that is what those those conditions were added and it was updated And I just I want to make sure that as long as they're hoping that we're they're able to put that fence up So whatever criteria is that you're going to ask them to do they will follow that's going to be more than a criteria That's a requirement. You're I'm adding it on as a condition of approval. So they're going to be more than happy Perfect. They get that fence They will do what needs to be done on their I am part. I believe I'm thrilled. Well, I'm going to take your word for it And based on the way the project is conditioned. I'm not changing anything Great job and I'm going to go ahead and approve it and they will send the the revise They'll need to apply for a building permit That's the the first building or the first first condition of approval Is that you require a building permit because the gate is taller than seven feet? So on your building permit plan, you'll need to reference those condition those measures protective measures for the trees By a qualified professional and arborist, okay And the it does stand that they're going to allow the eight foot five Correct. Correct. That's what was just approved An eight foot tall Fence along the creek path on the north side of the creek path I could chase him to the yeah, the south side is that would put it on your property. So thank you very much I appreciate you attending in person. It's always helpful. Thank you so much for approving it. You bet You bet Take care Okay 10 Nexus and are you is your computer great? Okay, so the next item that we have scheduled is Item 5.3. This is another public meeting It's for a building material supply company Located at 9 10 and uh, yeah 9 12 Isn't it 9 10 and 9 12? It's 9 10 just 9 10 Fresno Avenue The project is exempt from the california environmental quality act It's minor design reviews city file number d r 2 1 dash 0 4 1 Mike wixen is the project planner and I and Yeah You hear me we sure can Mike go ahead. Yeah. Thank you, suzie Uh, so i'm Mike wixen the project planner for this particular project actually contract planner with the city of santa rosa and um This project as you mentioned is a minor design review It is for a future building materials supply building and it's located at 9 10 Fresno Avenue So if you can go to the next slide, thank you So, um Yeah, basically I just repeated the just state of the project description But again, it's minor design review for modifications at the project site Both to the site and the existing building for our future material supply use at that location And next slide please And here's just a Location map and aerial This shows the entire site That portion of the site that is being considered for the project is actually the west or the left side Kind of like the little key part If you think of that as a little key Correct. Yeah to the left of the star So the longer rectangle going north to south really is not part of this project But it is part of the legal parcel If you go to the next slide please The general plan and zoning for the site starting with the general plan land use designation The project area that is being considered for this particular application Is retail and business services However, to the east there's also a general plan designation Of low density residential and then open space But again that that portion of the project that's being considered Is for the retail and business services If you go to the next slide please And then as it relates to the zoning There is a pd 0 4 3 6 zoning Policy statement for this particular site And it is for in particular That portion that is The project area And so directly to the east again that long narrow or long rectangular area Is an open space conservation zone The pd zone for the project area Is actually kind of an equivalent of a c1 zone. So the building supplies Building material supply use is permitted at this location Next slide please These are just some pictures showing the existing conditions out of the site And you can see this building is pretty worn down pretty seen better days But you can see so the picture on the left is essentially the the existing Frontage that would be facing Fresno Avenue And then to the on the top it's kind of from the backside So looking towards Fresno Avenue from the back of the building and as well to to the The picture at the bottom there there's a similar type photo So if we go to the next slide please Uh, this is an existing aerial image and then from the aerial you can see the main primary structure Which is the one with the little blue circle around it To the north there's actually an existing building right on the property line And you might be able to see that through the rusted roof Material right there. That's to be removed as part of this project Uh, then to the northeast kind of just below the cursor Is an existing storage building that will be maintained and kept as part of the project And then if you go a little bit further towards the main building on the back side Yeah, right a little bit further north On the main building Yeah, perfect. And so that portions of that building are actually to be removed And I just wanted to point out when you look at the plan set That's kind of the portion of the plans where those The back side of the project parts of it will be removed from the building And that's actually like a carport area that's to be demolished and then Finished up in the back And then to the south which is 912 Fresno. There is an existing home on site But that is not part of the project that that particular home Already has a building permit issued for it And they had been waiting for the building permit for 910 Fresno To begin construction on both projects So that's kind of on hold until things get issued and dealt with for the design review portion Here today So if we can go to the next slide, please So again, this is it. This is a plan view of the existing site shown the entire site Both the frontage along Fresno and then the east side of the back side of the project That part of the project that is being considered today Is kind of in a hash mark area basically again, it's to it's That small square area that is that key portion Of the entire larger site And so this gives a layout of it basically what existing buildings are there and then The existing situation there are two existing driveways On Fresno Avenue, but the applicant will be making full improvements along the frontage Which includes curb gutter sidewalk and then also some Some added pavement that will complete the cross section of Fresno Avenue on this this portion of the site If you can go to the next slide, please And this is a site demo plan that's it's kind of difficult to read but Basically as I was pointing out before The building supplies Building which is that primary building will lose a lot of the backside of it as a which was a carport not everything but a lot of it and Then the house will remain as will the built that supply shed or the storage shed exactly right there And there will be a new parking lot area That will be kind of on the north side of the primary building and west of the storage shed. So That'll show up in the next slide here If you can go to the next slide And here is the proposed site plan So you can see the two driveways will be kept and maintained But they'll be improved also as well as all the frontage improvements Along Fresno Avenue. There will be a new parking lot installed both kind of to the south And west of the primary building and also to the north All the parking necessary for this type of use has been provided So it meets all the parking requirements The dimensions of all the parking areas meet the code requirements. Those are all good There there also is a small Trash enclosure Come to the back side of the building. I'll point that out. It's difficult to see what they've put it at the back. So In large part that won't be visible from Fresno Avenue And I think that's all I wanted to point out on the site plan if we can go to the next slide, please These are the proposed building elevations So what's going to happen essentially is that as I understand the project basically new roof materials new side materials It'll be stripped down to the existing CMU a new window storefront system will be put in the front Kind of where you saw it before on the existing conditions and the top Elevation that you're looking at here is what will be facing Fresno Avenue. So that's the west elevation And then if you look at the elevation below, which is the back side of the building. Oh, I'm sorry. No, it's the Let me get my glasses on Sorry I get it. That's the north That's the north facing elevation. I'm sorry And you can see a small portion of the trash enclosure with that But again that trash enclosure in large part won't be visible from Fresno Avenue But that is the location of it in the elevation And again, you can see on the right edge there the new window system And you can kind of see where the CMU will be kept with some Siding that will be stripped off and then painted So basically it's cleaning up an existing building with a new storefront window frontage system If you can go to the next slide And again, this is more you can see the trash enclosure. This is the back So it would be the east facing elevation on the top And then the south facing elevation on the bottom The east facing elevation you can see where the trash enclosure is. This is the back side of the building And again in large part, this won't even be visible from the front And then the south portion of the building will in large part be blocked by the existing home Especially to that left side But some of the back could be visible from from Fresno Avenue Okay, next slide These are the required findings on staffs gone over these and it has made the findings that we feel like This these findings can be made and is recommending approval of the project as it's been presented If you can go to the next slide The project's been reviewed in compliance with CEQA. So there are two exemptions here that we're recommending One is a class two infill project And then also as a class four a new project um, and then I did include this exemption in part as a class 11 in the slides here, but this isn't necessary. So On the fly here, I'm going to recommend that this be removed as a finding. We don't need this additional exemption It's probably over the top So that is no longer needed But there is also a biological assessment that was submitted with this project in october 2022 And the biologists found that the project site Where the work was going to be done Would not have any impact to the existing flora or fauna particularly those those Plants or animals that might be protected class species So at this point, there's no impacts to the environment staff is recommending that these exemptions can be used And recommending that those be included in the findings with the approval of the project So if we go to the next slide The only issue I've kind of covered it, but I just wanted to point it out again It's kind of an issue, but it's It's not ultimately there is that existing house as I mentioned before They do have the building permit for that existing house So at this point, my understanding is this is not included in In the design review itself As it's already been issued the building permit and design review for the house have been performed Basically over the counter at the time the building permit was issued by staff So I wanted to hit a couple extra points here Let's see There was a landscape plan that was submitted And I was not able to include it on the slide presentation here today But it was part of the agenda and it basically it was added to the agenda yesterday So it's part of the record at this point You know, basically it shows the street trees to be planted along the front And street trees in the parking lot that will be providing shade And I'm going to let the applicant clarify a little bit Up to the site plan there Yeah, this might help that discussion Mike. Yeah. Yeah, so there will be thank you There will be street trees along Fresno In each of those landscaped areas on the front and then there will be a few Trees also placed in the parking lot in addition to that And then there will be also a ground cover and shrubs put in those open areas too that will be a landscape Um, they're shown here on the site plan To be a landscape the details of the landscaping will be provided at the time that the building permit is submitted So, um, I think that concludes my presentation I I think I heard Mike Schwartz architect in The audience so Mike before you before you might want some clarification He can help with that Mike before you before you sign off. Um, I think we still need your recommendation here Oh Yeah, we're recommending approval of the project by resolution of the minor design review for the remodel of the existing building and the improvements to the site As indicated on those attachments that have been Both shown here today, but also in the attachments to the agenda That concludes my presentation Thank you very much And then I know that the uh, the architect is in the room. Um, do you have anything you want to add at this point? Uh, this is Mike Schwartz. I'm the architect on the project I can respond to questions and I can add a couple of clarifications just to the presentation um This project has been on a long path We initially started this in the fall of 2018 And have been through numerous processes to get to this point for a minor dr approval um Couple of points the building permit at 9 12 Fresno for the house May be expired at this point and that will have to be renewed If there's a way to facilitate this without fees that would be greatly appreciated um The existing siding materials the wood siding and the cmu those are all exposed now the project was designed to have minimal exterior changes and minimal impacts on the site Um, and so we're just really repainting with neutral colors in those areas Uh, trash enclosure would likely be just a stained wood probably cedar or redwood um Which should be aesthetically pleasing and it's not very visible from the street The new windows are at the existing window locations So we'd be replacing single pane glass with Just a dual pane storefront system The carport areas in the back the building was originally built around 1951 as an animal hospital And those are animal cages and pens That are being reused and the slab has all kinds of different elevations in it and the Easiest way to resolve that was to remove that area and uncover it The expansion on the building in the back is within the original building footprint And that's part of how we're able to say that there's no environmental impacts to the site Again designing to have minimal impact on the areas around it um I think that covers Most of those items if there's other questions I can respond to those There are I have some other questions and for both you and and staff and but I also want to open up the public comment period I remembered So there is I know there's nobody else in the room. Is there anybody online? I think we do have one person if you wish to make a comment via zoom Please raise your hand You may find the raise your hand button on the bottom of the screen If you're dialing in via telephone, please dial star nine to raise your hand and star six want to unmute once called upon And angela thomas You may be Hi, angela. We can hear you. Perfect. Thank you So yes, my name is angela thomas. I'm the hospital manager at vca west side animal hospital We are immediately next door at 900 fresno avenue on the north side of this location I wanted to attend today because we were very excited to hear that that property is going to be developed It has been pretty much abandoned With a lot of squatters and things like that. It's been a real a real blight on the neighborhood Being directly next door to it has been tough So glad to hear that it is going to be developed into a more usable and functional space So I I just want to clarify It sounds like it's going to be a retail building that is open to the public for them to purchase building supplies. Is that correct? It sounds like it's the plan but go ahead and give me all your questions, angela And we'll respond between the team when you're done. Perfect. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify that That it's that and not a warehouse. I mean either way is fine. I'm just curious And then it sounds like the parking lot is going to be Directly next to our property, which is fine. I was wondering if there was any plan for them to Build a wall or a new fence or anything like that as part of their plan And then just kind of what we're looking at as far as like hours and noise levels and things like that Is that it? I think so Okay. Well, thank you very much and Give us a minute. Is there anybody else that? Would like to comment Out there Seeing no additional hands raised That concludes public comment. Okay. Now I have some questions and Angela raised one of them for me the fences Um, there's there's a wood fence there now on the north property line there I can't really tell on the rear property line and it looks like there might be kind of a wire fence Well, there's a funky wire fence that goes along the street frontage I'm not worried about what's there now I'm wondering if there's a plan and if there isn't a plan. I'd like to make a plan For fencing at the property There's not a specific plan. I would say at the north side of the property line The buildings that are being removed Looked like they were probably originally large animal stalls And it turns out that when we did a boundary survey Both of these sites this and the animal the new animal hospital to the north were the same parcel They were owned by the same people and developed by the same people It looks like the property line was Incorrectly located when they subdivided the parcels and it was put in the middle of those buildings And so that's why those buildings are getting removed and that's why there would be oh, okay. I see I see When we go back to There's a there's a hand-drawn sketch that was part of the original old documentation on the site And the property line was intended to be behind those buildings and between them and New structures that I think are similar On the property to the north. So the property line was a little south of what they intended And so you're designing the project to fit within the project boundary now, right, right perfect. Perfect So that's kind of good because it looks like that that those old structures should probably be removed anyway So um, and this will make it real clear for uh, I it was confusing over there when I looked it's kind of like the fence line was Kind of jagged. So um, I guess What's there now again isn't so much my concern. It's what's there What's going to be there and I know that with parking and a veterinary hospital to the to the north And I I think I probably need to give full disclosure here This is the vca hospital and my niece works for vca. She does not work for that hospital I do not use their services But I am aware of this property from previous conversations with her And I know that there have been issues with squatters and the vca hospital Um, does this influence my decision not at all? I mean, I think it's we need to know what is happening Not just on the north property line But also on the east property line and the south property line and the street And I think that there's some appropriate Things that could be done. Um, I can make some recommendations, but if you guys have ideas That's it's open field conservation to the the east of you I would recommend going with a hogwire fence to the east so it doesn't block the view It looks very big still right. I think that would be appropriate It's actually part of the same parcel and it's interesting that this one parcel has multiple zoning I know, you know, and we've got a couple places and it's a lot of months basketball avenue But there are but there are farm animals on the adjacent parcel And so it would make sense to provide security there And then I think that there's new residential development on the south property line Which is adjacent to the house and so Whatever is I would go on the north and south I would go with a solid eight foot fence Okay, and as part of this design review if you accept that condition You won't have to go through the design review process again, but it should not be a board This kind of a fence where that side by side there should be some overlap Okay speaks so that that makes it More sound proof and what have you so with a building supply? I'm guessing that you guys are going to have deliveries made and and whatnot I have a question about that too. It could be a wood fence. It just needs to be lapped Yes, yes, exactly wood fence is fine And if you have another design if you if you go away from that design We can draft a condition that says, you know, if you deviate from that design that we agree on here That you'll just get planning approval. It's not going to require a trip back. This can be done What I want to make absolutely sure of is that no chain link is proposed on any property line for that Okay, okay. It's yeah that they're just not hog wire is such a nice alternative to chain link it provides the same amount of security and And it's not that much more expensive and right those that are adjacent to residential would have you so So, um, I think I think we've probably addressed one of Angela's questions and that was it will be a fence along the north property line Um, and I think that that's appropriate that Hours of operation. Do you have any idea what those will be and I want to point out that this is not This is not the meeting where the use Would be allowed and I don't know if a conditional use permit is required on this or not It's not because the project was designed to conform with the zoning So it's more like a neighborhood building material supply store as far as the function Which is an underserved element in that area All right, but in the in the second ace hardware owns pd. It's public. Yeah This is it is a permitted use in that so Got it. Got it. Thank you mike. Okay. I'm thrilled about that right So the hours would be typical for a business of that type exactly what those are if that's seven to eight seven in the morning to eight at night Okay, you know 70s week. I think so long as you're between six and 11 I think you're going to be okay because that's what the default zoning district allows Um, but I think seven seven eight would be more appropriate Um, no deliveries Should be I mean, you know fine business. It's not just the hours. It's open. It's the hours. It's operating. So Um, and it's not a condition of approval here. That's just the zoning Right. So deliveries within that six to 11 timeframe as well Yeah And I would I look to the policy statement first if hours are not included in there again This is design review. It has it doesn't have anything to do with the use but If there's not hours of operation defined in that zoning or in that policy statement, then you'll Default to the cg zoning district. Right. So that's that is my experience as a planner coming through so um, so back to the The project I noticed in the biological assessment there there are a couple of trees that qualify as heritage trees along that west property line And they need to be removed. Do they need to be removed to accommodate the improvements? Whether or not they need to be removed is It's really determined by the street section that's required by engineering. Okay It's the owner would probably prefer to leave them if it were possible But I think with the improvements that are being made It may not they're having to come out. Okay. So if they do have to come out I'm going to add some they they also need to be replaced and it looks like your planting plan Would allow that and they need to be replaced in kind consistent with um, what is it city code chapter 1724 and that is within the purview of this design review review authority or review approval But I'm going to go through and kind of give her oaks I believe those are oak. I think they're valley oak. I think that's what they called out in the biological assessment. I didn't look at them Um, but I mean I did but I didn't really acknowledge what kind of tree they were Um And I love by the way, I love the planting plan Which I don't know can Suzanne can you bring that up on the screen so that that uh Members of the public. I know angela. I think angela might still be on and if so she can see that um if You're proposing it looks like It's just straight with the zoning code, which I believe is a tree every 20 or 30 feet Okay, so I'm going to look at this as a conceptual plan Parking lot fingers minimize parking and I think that there may be room to meet your replacement trees and the zoning code says It does their design guidelines say, you know, orchard style parking one every five spaces But it doesn't mean they necessarily have to be in those locations and we set precedent where we can switch them around I think you're going to find it's there's a revised plan that was posted on the agenda yesterday and it and so so um My thought is is that prior to building permits of middle That we be presented with a planting plan that meets the requirements of the um Of the tree ordinance city code chapter 17 24 And you can work with the planner on that or city staff And and I am going to condition the project to that so that the valley oaks are mitigated With valley oaks if they're removed if we can't save them So how that reads is for new development, which this Is new development now. Um, it would be two 15 gallon containers for every six inches of Diameter at breast height that would be removed and I think there were 22 inches According to the bio the trees have probably grown a little bit, but I don't think they would have gone past 24 inches So it rounds up to the 24 anyway. So it's basically 24 divide by six times two which is what four eight eight 15 gallon trees If they if the if you guys want to change that around a little bit and up size Some of those street trees to 24 inch box We can accommodate that too. So your planting plan like I said, I'm looking at this as conceptual I will add conditions that um protect You know the the heritage trees if not The trees themselves their replacement for trees that have the potential to grow into heritage trees right In this case with the long timeline We've had a previous building permit submittal Under the previous code cycle and that has been accepted as a placeholder So we would just be adding this planning plan to that that would be fine, but I think you also mentioned that that's expired No, there was a building permit approved for the house Oh, that was approved in probably 20 for the house 2021 wait for There was a building permit application for the building material supply store. Okay in 2022 and that one's expired No, okay, that one's good. That one has been accepted as a placeholder under 2019 codes Okay, and it will be the project that gets reviewed for permit Okay, we would add this planning plan to that application. That's that's perfectly fine. Yes My suggestion is that you work with the planner um And and before you submit it just to so that when you submit it we already know the answer is going to be It's good. Okay. Okay. That's just tips and tricks there. So So I'm going to start at the top of my comments now on the resolution because I need to make these change I would like to make these changes Know that you agree with it and do it here and I've already got it written out Mike, so you won't have to draft all these conditions. Okay Okay, so on on condition number two We don't have really any jurisdiction to we we don't govern colors So I just want to remove the first part of that sentence Where it says the colors used for the exterior finishes of all buildings and the trash and closers shall be earth tones um I want to remove that section and just leave the glass windows shall be non reflective glass Okay, I you know if you drive around that area the roseland area. There are some amazing I was just cruising around there this morning. I go over there a lot And there are some amazing murals and things like that. So I don't want to restrict that So I that's why it creative colors are fine. We we don't need everything to match the the dry grass. So Let's see moving down. So that's condition number two And then condition number five I'm going to lop off the last um Portion of that condition that says also we low calculations shall include all existing Proposed landscape areas per the requirements of title 14. We've had some changes and that that I think there's a condition in the Engineering development services exhibit a that requires that all landscape escape be Shown on your landscape plan in compliance with we low Our water efficient landscape ordinance not policy so and I think that the section of the zoning code actually References the or the city code I'm sorry that that is the it is the we low but The two felt like there could be we don't want the same condition on there twice. It's already covered in the exhibit a I am Looking at condition number Six and I'd like to add At the end or an alternative planting plan approved by city staff I'm giving the flexibility to give us To work together with us. So we get what we need and the the property owner gets what he needs Then I'm adding a new condition um because in the the exhibit a in the uh parks Conditions, there was something that talked about No removal of heritage trees And and so sometimes there's a it's necessary to remove heritage trees as much as we hate it And that that the city code chapter for trees the tree ordinance Allows us to do that so long as we do the replacement plan Which we just talked about so I'm going to add uh condition number seven notwithstanding condition number 62 On engineering development services exhibit a dated may 17th 2023 All tree removal shall be done in compliance with city code chapter 17 24 A tree replacement plan shall be included with the landscape plan Oh During building permit review during building permit review For planning approval Okay, so work with uh mike before Before you submit that to building just so we don't go back and forth Um mike, you know where to find me if you have any questions on that condition So can I ask also to clarify condition seven where it also references colors? Would I uh would you want to remove that as well? to just discuss or hit using materials consistent and comp and or complimentary to the approved design Yes, I didn't see So I I my numbering move. Where's the um Condition seven you were talking about yeah, it says per section 20-4 to 0.170 And this was okay provide a solid day after the term Um, no, I think that one's that one's I think uh, maybe not consistent but complimentary I didn't see that I get consistent or and or complimentary. I think that's fine Okay, so, you know, I mean if they have a tan building and do a black A black trash enclosure. I think it's complimentary. I think it's you know, I I think that's it's very subjective But I think that one's fine. But I did add the back that Yeah the design The design of the gate should be approved by staff that requires design review It's over the counter design review. It's it's in the back of the building But we still need to do it and because it wasn't here. So the the cost will be minimal but um Yeah, I would check in with Mike and make sure he's he's good with that because he'll be reviewing the building permit plans I have a condition on What was Condition number eight It says continue the the concrete curbing around the entire perimeter of the parking lot Including the east line of the parking lot. Mike. Can you explain that condition? Yeah, the the code requires that the Irving be performed or installed all the way around the parking lot area And it just wasn't clear on the plans It seemed to indicate that the curbing might drop off On the back area So the intent of this condition is just to be sure the curbing gets installed around the entire perimeter of the uh parking lot area I think um Was that addressed in the exhibit a do you know? Because that's typical I That's going to be site drainage. I'm afraid of the impacts that's going to have on site drainage So I think the for safety reasons we should probably add at the end of that Or is otherwise approved by appropriate city staff? Okay, yeah, that's fine and and the reason I'm saying that is because we've got with paving right now We've got all the uh storm water the lid stuff happening and I I'm guessing that city staff has already weighed in on some curbing from um Engineering, but I don't know if that's just along the front edge Okay, so I just I'm just concerned about yeah storm water runoff cleave has raised his hand Oh, and we have city staff here. Woohoo cleave Hi, this is cleave journey with engineering development services. Um, so the proposed plan they are putting Some curbing along the proposed parking spaces everything is grading Draining to those curves and to gutter on-site gutters and everything is then from there going to the planting Areas in the front captured and then going to the public storm system Okay, so the condition is written as fine Um, can you repeat the one uh, that's like one of the planning conditions, correct? Yeah, it's a planning condition It says continue the concrete curbing around the entire perimeter of the parking lot Including the east line of the parking lot Probably not around the entire portion because there are going to be some curb cuts for the Curbs for the runoff to be entering a storm drain system Okay, I don't think any curbs are proposed along the northern property line between Um, the animal hospital where the existing shed was Because a lot of that's not paved already, but any of the new paving needs to be captured in And sent to the storm drain system So cleave, can I ask is is that something that engineering would be reviewing or um flannery over in storm water? Yeah, so once they submit for a building permit all on-site grading is is reviewed by our building department Okay, so it's by the building division Okay, so I can say or is otherwise approved by the building division. Yeah Awesome Thank you. I think yeah stick around don't go anywhere. I think I have something else Oh, actually I do the improvements Plans Mike, did you say that those have already been submitted? Yes Um, there's a there's a building permit that shows improvement plans. Are you familiar with those? And if so, I'm wondering if the two trees along the sabastable road frontage can be retained I have not seen the building permit for this yet I know the public improvement plans for the off-site improvements have been submitted and are currently under review with our plan check team Okay, so that's probably where they are building permit plans would not have been released to staff yet Okay, there are the street frontage improvements have been submitted separately and I believe that those have been approved Okay, and so those should those would be what are really going to show whether those trees remain Okay, I'm you know, and I'm going to leave the condition the way I put it in that kind of leaves it open open construction on condition number 10 I'm going to modify the hours just to bring in Saturday Uh to stop at five they usually stop a lot earlier than that But if it comes down to a pinch And I'm going to say if there are special circumstances that apply That you can you can do noticing to neighbors and let them know that you're going to do so I can't imagine in this project where you'll typically see that with large concrete pours So I don't think it'll happen here, but I Will give the condition some flexibility That to notify neighbors and and that's Would those same hours apply then to the house remodel? That no, I I'm not conditioning that that has nothing to do with this project So, um, I would like to think that they would be courteous to neighbors Right, and if I were a neighbor, I'd call it we do have a noise ordinance in the city and That has to apply to that but um, yeah construction can sometimes be a little bit Unfair to neighbors and a lot of those neighbors have children so so or seniors for that matter. Um Okay, so I will go in An exception We should touch base on any specific requirements for the roof color It's a low slope roof. It's two and a half on 12 and so, um Typical materials for that could be tpo. It could be metal The tpo tends to be light color So what are you proposing? I just want to be clear if there are limitations Well, what so the type of roof that's approved here If you change that it's an existing tar and gravel It's an existing tar and gravel. So what are you proposing to put on there? A metal roof or a Hasn't been determined specifically so I just want to be clear if there's a Color limitation there that would maybe be different. I don't think there's no we don't regulate colors I mean in theory design review. We know the materials that are going up, right? So can can you it may not Can you tell me which ones are so that I can I mean I would envision something that's Probably gray like a medium gray type. I what are the materials could be tpo. What is tpo? It's a Um The vinyl it's a vinyl. It's a heat welded vinyl product or it could be a metal roof Okay vinyl or tpo or vinyl or uh metal, right? What does tpo stand for? You know, don't worry Like thermoplastic Okay, don't worry tpo. It's a metal really welded Plastic polyurethane That's okay. We'll go ahead and add add a condition At the end the says that the truth the roof shall be constructed of tpo or metal The roof materials thermoplastic polyolefin There you go that Okay, so the the roof shall be constructed using poly thermoplastic Thermo It's tpo or metal tpo metal. It's just on the edge of working with an asphalt shingle Um Those are the options. I I So we have two options We can add that to the um the door of the garage and you can make that determination and and we'll review it as Over the counter design review. I think that's fine because a roof is important Right, so okay, so um just don't want to put something on there and then have complaints come in That's fine. That's fine. Um, so over the counter So we'll go ahead and add a similar condition um Provide detail for roof detail for roof um Which will require over the counter OTR design Um With building permit with plan sets for building permit Okay So did you read the did you see all the conditions of approval prior to the meeting? Except the ones that I just talked about no, I received the wrong documents Um, so there were some uploaded yesterday and the I don't think any conditions of Oh, there were there were three conditions of approval that were added to it. So basically it says No, no permanent signs The no permanent signs will be approved as part of this design review that requires a sign permit So when they're constructed and they want to put up a sign They're going to have to apply for a sign permit My recommendation is they do that before they want to open their doors. So it's not a big rush. Um, so um And since you've been in since 2018 it would seem that let's learn from that um, and then um I That during construction A sign should be posted I'm going off memory because it's one of my favorite. Um Uh a sign shall be erected during periods of construction that provides the on-site general contractors Or designated representatives name phone number and email address And then a response to all construction related complaints Shall occur within 24 hours regardless of weekends and holidays And it's it'll be on my resolution. I've already Or the draft resolution has those three conditions okay, and And I don't think that there were any other changes made from what was posted last week As part on the agenda And to what was uploaded last night as revisions. Okay. Okay. So I don't yeah, and I'll we'll get you another revised copy But pretty much it's all the standard stuff except Then I requiring the over-the-counter design review for the roof and the door And the design and the uh landscape plan, but that's standard too roof and trash enclosure Roof trash enclosure and the landscape plan right And so are you guys good with that those conditions? I think that's fine. Okay, then And so I just for my own Personal satisfaction is the plan on the The residential unit on the south side is the plan to get that Uh renovated Yes, so what's happening is that the house is using the same new underground utilities That the commercial building is using and so There wasn't because it's currently or both currently on the septic Which is being abandoned because they're required to connect cities sewer and water. They're also both unwell And so they couldn't actually use the house Until we had the commercial building approved That's why those improvements have lagged Okay, so as soon as this is ready to go, you know, that's Goal is to get it done and the reason that the properties and the condition it's in right now is largely Because of just the time period. This has gone through And I noticed that somebody came walking out of the building when I stopped by and I had to take I wanted to take some pictures just so that I could look at them with the The plans and what have you and somebody was living in there. So is that is there somebody residing there or these squatters? It had been There was a residential use there. We started the project There was a fire in 2022 And so I would imagine that that I haven't been on site for a while But I would imagine that that residential use is continuing Okay, and that's not is that a permitted use? Is that a legal residential use or not? It's it was an existing Okay I would encourage that it was a it's an eyesore right now It's an eyesore with even the fencing that's out front. I think it would be real nice to neighbors to you know, just even get rid of that That flimsy cloth, but that's that's up against the fence right now. Looks like it might be some landscaping material But we very much look forward to seeing those building permits come through and that construction started And I'm going to approve this as we just agreed on those those revised conditions. Great. Thank you You bet and it's a pleasure to see you Definitely Okay Have a great day mic and mic you too And I did open the public comment period. It's been approved and now we are moving on to item 5.3 I'm a 5.4. Thank you Um, and are you going to scoot over here? I'll be joined shortly by the project planner Suzanne Hartman. So item 5.4 is another public meeting. It's for the dungeon This is an exempt project a minor conditional use permit for the property at 452 b street It's planning application number c up 23-005 and Suzanne Hartman is the project planner She will give us a presentation Thank you zoning administrator Murray Good morning. I am the project planner for the minor conditional use permit application CUP 23-005 otherwise known as the dungeon So this project is for a minor conditional use permit to allow for body piercing services at the existing retail store Known as the dungeon located at 452 b street The piercing room Within the existing retail store is proposed to be 300 square feet Is the location of the project site It's kind of on the corner here right on to b street. It is The parcel itself is Home to multiple retail businesses Or I should just say businesses The general plan lands use designation is core mixed use and the zoning district is also core mixed use or cmu for short The cmu zoning district is applied to areas within downtown santa rosa to foster a mix of residential and non-residential uses To activate the greater old courthouse square area in key transition corridors The principal objectives of the cmu designation are to strengthen the role of this area as a business governmental retail tourism entertainment and cultural hub for the region This is an existing elevation of the storefront Again facing b street This is the proposed floor plan And as you can see here in this corner, this is where the piercing room is It is uh, I should say that it's all existing. There's no proposed work being done within the floor plan These are the required findings that must be found for conditional use permits Uh, staff has determined that the proposed personal services are permitted within the cmu zoning district by obtaining minor conditional use permit And the proposed use is also permitted within the core mixed use general plan land use designation The proposed activity is compatible with the existing use Which is an existing retail store that was established in 2006 and is compatible with the surrounding businesses These are the required findings continued Staff has determined that the proposed body piercing services do not involve the enlargement Of the existing structure and the proposed use shall be held within the existing commercial building Further detail of staff findings can be found in the resolution Which was posted online and is also attached to this meetings agenda The project has been found in compliance with the california environmental quality act otherwise known as sequa Under section 15301 in that the site is entirely developed and the proposed use would involve a nicturable expansion of the existing commercial use No public comments were received when noticing was sent out I do want to uh, let the zoning ministry know that there was a code enforcement case open for the site regarding the body piercing services uh, the case uh is now going to be closed because the essentially the case was The conclusion was to receive approval for minor minor conditional use permit So it is therefore recommended by the planning and economic development department that the zoning administrator by resolution Approve a minor conditional use permit to allow for body piercing services at the dungeon located at 452 b street In my contact information is posted If you have any questions the applicant and owner of the dungeon is also What does be a zoom if you have any questions for the applicant? Okay, and i'm going to ask the applicant if you have anything you'd like to add to susan's Uh presentation which by the way was outstanding. Um, have to Anyways, um Can you guys hear me? We sure can. Okay. Thank you very much, susan. I appreciate the presentation Uh about that uh code enforcement I bought this store from my uncle in the January 1 of 2022 and I did not know that It'd be the minor use permit because he's had the business since 95 so, uh I believe it back then there was no uh zoning. So that's probably where the confusion came from Um, if you guys have any questions, please ask I I'm just going to say I understand we know that when there's a code enforcement involved That doesn't make you a criminal a lot of people don't understand our zoning requirements. Um, and they're Frankly not necessarily intuitive. So don't worry about that. This will clear it up. So before I go on I'm going to ask if there are any other public comments There's nobody in the room anymore. So if you wish to make a public comment via zoom Please raise your hand. You may find the raise your hand button at the bottom of the screen If you're dialing in via telephone, please dial star nine to raise your hand and star six to unmute once called upon There are no hands raised Well, I'm happy. There are no hands raised. I remember to ask for public comments. So Yay. Um, and I'm going to say I know, you know, I remember when this project It was right when I first started working for the city when the dungeon There was a big hoopla about personal services restricted and I Don't think I've heard anything about the dungeon until now. So I think it's been a A good fit for the area not that I would hear everything that went wrong Um, I was aware I did look at the the history of the site And I did see that there's been some I don't know how relevant but there's been a couple code enforcements over the years And that this will resolve the one that's that's outstanding now. So I did do a site visit It looks great. Just like the photograph that suzanne had in her presentation Thank you. Your flower boxes out front look nice. Keep them looking nice all summer, please um all year actually and um, I thank you and keep doing good work I think you might require a building permit and uh health health department permits Make sure you get those And um, I'm going to approve the project as conditioned. Thank you very much for taking time out of your day And I'm sorry you had to sit through a rather long item On the agenda prior to yours So I'll be approving that as I'm not adding anything to it. Okay. Well done And the next item on the agenda Item 5.5 is our final public meeting It's for a tesla sign variance and this again is an exempt project for The project the property at 32 86 airway drive city file number si 23-001 and again susanne hartman is the planner Thank you again zoning administrator murray I am the project planner for project application number si 23-001 Otherwise known as the property at 32 86 airway drive Also known as tesla and this is a sign variance application So the applicant is seeking approval of the sign variance to install a second Monuments line also known as a freestanding sign located at 32 86 airway drive The total square footage of the sign will be 24.375 square feet very specific there And the proposed monument the second Monument sign is proposed to be the same size as the existing Monument side that is also adjacent and facing airway drive This is the location of the project And the sign will be proposed here facing airway drive and there's currently a monument sign here on this corner There are two entryways to this property The general plan land use sickness designation is light industry and the zoning district is light industrial The light industrial zoning district is applied to areas appropriate for some light industrial uses as well as commercial service uses and Activities that may be incompatible with residential retail and or office uses Residential uses may also be accommodated as part of work with projects The surrounding uses include industrial and retail and business services And as well as a mobile home park here That you can see on the screen This is the site map and as you can see here This is the location of the second monument sign Which is proposed to be out of the vision triangle Again, this is an existing monument sign and they also have an existing wall sign This is a blow up of the proposed monument sign As you can see, it's nearly identical to what is existing And these are the required sign variance findings Staff has determined that the following findings have been met And that there are two driveways at the site and the application of the zoning code would be unable to display reasonably effective Functional visible signage readable to potential patrons along airway drive And the proposed signage represents the square footage necessary to allow pedestrian and the peculiar Traffic to identify the business along airway drive And allow for easy and safe navigation to the property These are the required findings continued Pursuant to zoning code table 3-10 Businesses within industrial zones are limited to one free standing or monument sign With a sign area total to not exceed 100 square feet The site is unique because the property fronts two streets And new auto dealerships in other areas of the city are permitted a total of 200 square feet of sign area And business operations including both vehicle service and sales uses require additional signage The proposed sign is the same design and size as the existing pre-standing sign and is located outside of the vision triangle The proposed project has been reviewed in compliance with the california environmental quality act otherwise known as sequa And qualifies for an exemption under section 15311 and that the proposed project consists of wall signs that are considered accessory structures There are no unresolved issues as a result of staff review And no public comments were received upon noticing So it is therefore recommended by the planning and economic development department that the zoning administrator By resolution approve a sign variance to allow for the installation of the second monument sign Located at 32 86 airway drive My contact information is shown on the screen And I do not believe that the applicants were able to make it to the meeting last minute changes But if you do have any questions, I'll answer to the best of my abilities. Thank you. Okay. Is there is there anybody else that Is online? There's nobody in the room Do we have anybody else in attendance that may want to make a public comment? If you wish to make a comment via zoom, please raise your hand You may find the raise your hand button at the bottom of the screen If you're dialing in via telephone, please dial star nine to raise your hand and star six to unmute once called upon There are two attendees, but no hands Okay. Well, I I'm I'm first of all, I think another fantastic presentation. I appreciate that um I had some recommendations for tesla and I'm hoping that you can pass them on um, the the current signs that you know that are part of the, uh um Sign variants are fine. I will approve that the project as conditioned But I would like them to know that I um when I was doing my site visit A full disclosure. I drive a tesla and I thought oh well, I'll just try and get in there Well, they have their directional signs Which are in that fine Fine font and they're not helpful at all. Um, I would recommend that they get some better directional signs on site Keep them under five square feet and they're exempt, but I appreciate the lovely tesla lettering It doesn't help somebody trying to figure out where the service department is and their service staff was very very helpful Um, and so there's my full disclosure. I am approving it as conditioned Thank you for two very good presentations and With that, I am going to adjourn the meeting at 12 noon on july 6th Have a great day