 You'll be yeah, I told Roger I was like just give me earnings per share in revenue And if they say an iPhone unit sale number at 130 great, but they probably won't tell tomorrow. All right, all right, right Yeah, I just want to know about those iPhone 10 sales This happens every time there's a Windows update Cuz I stream off of the Windows machine for Twitch And every time there's a Windows update it restarts and turns the volume up on the speaker on that computer Some weirds been going on with my Logitech which is has nothing to do with Windows, but Yeah, it just doesn't work the same way anymore It's not the same anymore. It's not Happens to everybody the only constant in life is change right or if you drop the E Chang, yeah Is Chang that's true of me it's 1999 Yeah, oh look it's 1129. Oh my goodness Are you excited? Are you guys ready? Oh That yes, let's do this Listen, I have to talk to you about this acting thing I am very excited Maybe I should turn off the baby monitor All right, there you go. Okay Here we go three two Daily tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday May 1st 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feelin I'm Sir Lane. Happy May And I'm Patrick Beja Sorry to throw you off. Yeah. Yeah, I could see no I have you know I have a form for months old wait three three months old. How old is my baby? I can't Anyway, yes our producer Roger Chang's here as well Roger. How are you? I'm good I'm keeping an eye out for keeping an eye out for them Apple earnings We'll get them to you as fast as possible, but let's start with a few other tech things you should know What's up CEO at yon koum says he is leaving Facebook in order to quote do things that I enjoy Outside of technology sources tell the Washington Post There's probably more to the story koum is leaving over disputes on how data is handled at the FA developer conference Tuesday Facebook is telling developers how it's changing Handling data and we're gonna talk about that a little later in the show We wish yon a great retirement and we have absolutely nothing To say about the conflicts that might have caused his departure except that we do Iran's judiciary has banned The use of telegram of the telegram messaging app after complaints from citizens and demands from security Organizations all internet providers in Iran must take steps to block telegrams website and app as of April 30th Iran previously banned telegram for use by the government telegram has an estimated 40 million users in Iran Couple earnings reports coming in Snapchat reached 191 million daily active users That's up from 170 million, but the growth rate was only 2.13 percent It's lowest ever Snapchat lost 17 cents a share, which was a cent more than expected to send not a great earnings report for snap Apple was expected to report a earnings per share of two dollars and 69 cents it reported two dollars and 73 cents Apple shipped more than 52 million iPhones more than 9 million iPads and more than 4 million Max last quarter 52 million around expectations there as well So we'll dig into this earnings report a little more tomorrow once we've heard from Tim Cook on the earnings call later today But so far so as expected Let's talk a little more about what's happening with mind reading in China If you were worried about Facebook you're kind of a little bit late now because the South China morning post Has an article about workers in industrial sectors wearing caps Outfitted with brainwave monitors some machine learning detects patterns indicating depression anxiety rage and other emotions Companies supposedly use the data to adjust break times and workflow to optimize efficiency The tech is credited with raising state grid Zeyn Jiang something like that Electric powers profits by about two billion Yuan since 2014. They are in Shanghai uses it To train the drivers on the high-speed Beijing Shanghai line They use it for the train drivers the guys who drive the trains, right? And in case it's not clear This is something that is used on a wide scale meaning that all workers in certain factories or certain Environments use it and wear it and have their brainwave activity monitored all the time Yeah, according to this article, it's used in other places like in the US archery Professionals will use it to help train themselves with archery But China is the one using it in the big wide industrial applications. I don't think it's as scary as it sounds from the headline It's more like oh, this is just monitoring people to find out when they need a break It actually sounds like at least they're saying they're using these powers for good not to overwork people But to stop people from working when they're actually not very productive anymore And I am absolutely certain that all of this data is not being collected and stored somewhere with all of these citizens names to be Studied and Looked at in case there's something that happens and you want to know what's been happening For example, you know, if you know that one person in this factory is doing something that maybe they shouldn't about agitating the public And they suddenly have increased brainwave activity that indicates stress and Things like that. They wouldn't look at that. It shouldn't be agitating the public You know, if they don't have anything to hide then they shouldn't be worried Yeah Moving on amazon prime has a new perk physical books Oh my goodness. Look at us prime book box is a subscription service for children Actually, children's hardback books specifically invite only for now scheduled to ship later this year starting in the u.s For $23 per box now books are divided up by age groups babies That's like two years old or three to five years or six to eight years or nine to twelve years Patrick you're a new dad. Does this sound like something that you would Participate in if you lived in the u.s. Anyway Um, you know watching the video. It seemed so icky to me It was it was like oh look Your children are gonna get some amazon boxes and they're gonna love the books that they we send that we send them randomly from The stocks that the publishers couldn't sell and so we got them at a reduced price And we're on top of that We're gonna see the the nice little amazon boxes and put them in the hands of your children So that they can get used to amazon and uh buying from there Which you know, I do that every day, but it doesn't mean my kids have to be subjected to it as well I honestly don't know. I'm sure it renders services and the kids in the Presentation video were all happy obviously and going like oh, I love books I love to read and it's like well if you love books just you can buy books for your kids You don't necessarily need the random books coming in a box every month. It feels weird I think uh quick I was gonna add this I think it feels if you grew up in the u.s. During the the went to school in the 80s There was a thing called this classic book club where you would submit your order to the teacher and they would Send away and every month the box would come and you would be so excited because something you picked would be showing up I think they're trying to redo that kind of feel But you don't pick the books with this So and that's that's my one that's my one gripe Like if kids could actually pick even it's from a special allotment, right? Like these are the books that didn't sell picked from these You can't go in and adjust the list beforehand from the curated list So there is a little bit of that but if kids could actually select they think it would make it a winner All right, uh the non social network news out of f8, uh the facebook developer conference is oculus go Shipping today for how you can order it and it ships I'm guessing by now if you order it it won't ship today But the the first round of orders were supposed to ship today 199 dollars for a 32 gigabyte version or a 249 dollar price for the 64 gigabyte version Now the oculus go is all in one Doesn't connect to a computer doesn't need to have a phone inside it while it works Uh, it has speakers in the strap So you don't even need to cover your ears to plug it in although it does have a headphone jack if you want to do that But you have the option not to uh facebook also announced oculus tv launching for its vr platform So available on the go but also on the rift that'll launch in may Uh with facebook watch redbull tv and pluto tv integrated But it will also work with netflix and hulu and showtime and a few others Uh and oculus venues will be an app for live concerts and sports oculus go though I think is Well a first generation product probably not for every one I think it is the big next step in in virtual reality This thing has a 25 60 by 1440 lcd uh display But it is an actually good by the way. Yeah, it's a really high res lcd And it's also an active lcd so that it doesn't have some of the refresh rate problems that lcd used to have It's only a 101 degree field of view that's same as the gear vr. It's not as good as an oculus rift It's only three degrees of freedom not six degrees of freedom And the last janky thing i'll point out is that you have to set it up with a phone app That's how you send your wi-fi settings and everything to it And when you do that apparently according to our's technica, you have to connect to gps Which is sort of inexplicable and especially when you're dealing with facebook people like why do you need this data these days? Uh, but once that's done, then you don't need to have the phone to use it from then on uh, and and Granted lots of things that could be improved about this But this feels like the thing that will get people to adopt vr because it doesn't have a bunch of wires It's simple once you set it up. You just put it on turn it on and play it It certainly has a lot of uh drawbacks compared to a full vr headset, but it also has as you said a lot of Qualities the most important one being the price and at that price It seems like an incredible value proposition to get into vr I would say the one thing that is probably the the biggest drawback is the fact that you don't have Touch or move controllers. You only have a small remote that does motion tracking But still it's not the same When you have both your hands, uh rendered in the vr space. That's half of the vr experience So you're not going to have the best vr experience you can but still this is uh at that price it seems like What we kept saying since they announced this product If they get it right enough Then it could mean a big restart for the the vr space and I think they managed to do it And I can't wait to order mine once it may be comes to france. I hope Now a couple questions in our chat room right now, which I think are important You do not need a facebook account You'll need an oculus account which you can connect to facebook But you don't need to you won't be able to take advantage of some of the sharing options If you don't connect it to facebook And the battery life according to sam makovic at ours technica Seems to be around two hours It goes to sleep if it's not on a person's face So they weren't actually able to do a real battery test with it because of that But in his experience of playing with it over the course of a week He said it seemed to be about two hours of mixed use before I had to plug it in And it was fully recharged in less than two hours as well, but you don't plug it in ever It's just battery power Sarah is this enough to convince you to go vr? No Wait, wait, wait, wait, I'm just being honest, but you don't have 200 bucks to To throw into this to just test vr If you were like, hey, do you have 20 bucks? I'd be like, well, okay, maybe like 200 bucks is like Yeah, I know it's you know cheaper than you know with $800 that you know some of some of the other Offerings are but still that's not chump change here. It's it's it's still like, you know I don't have it I think most people should probably still not get this one But the next generation or maybe the third generation of this will be the killer vr Because when you don't have to plug it into anything when you can take it around with you When the display gets better in future versions when the battery life gets better in future versions This this is the vr that people like oh, I can lay down and watch a netflix movie And have a nice big screen. I can just lay down on my bed. I can wear it on a plane Like it seems to be better for media consumption even than the gaming, but it can do both Well, I'll contradict you on this I think people should and will get this if it is as good as people are reporting It on being meaning good enough because a lot a lot of people are curious about vr But don't want to shell out the 500 bucks understandably And this becomes sure it's not chump change, but it makes it really accessible It's cheaper than a gaming console for example So I think it's like an iphone first gen to me Which yeah, a lot of people will get it because they're early adopters They want to try it the third version is the one where we suddenly see everybody Just put my put me down on the record what happens to the wall when the tv is just your vr headset, right? Yeah, we shared viewing it's got the walls for shared viewing at that point Or for now All right, folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines You can get it on the amazon echo google home anchor app and of course at daily tech headlines dot com Uh, we're going to focus a lot on what facebook's messaging to developers was because there've been a lot of concerns about that In the wake of them having to pull back on data sharing Including pausing Reviewing of apps, but let's get through some of their other announcements first instagram gets video chat And updated its content filter to block comments containing it on a person's appearance or character. They were already blocking some comments, but now That along with threats to a person's well-being or health are blocked WhatsApp gets group video calling you could do one-on-one videos with whatsapp now you can do group video It also gets stickers, which I don't know. Maybe that's why yang kum left Facebook users can opt into creating a data profile. I'm sorry a dating profile big difference between those two data profile not surprising Dating profile sent match stock plummeting. Uh, it's only visible to non friends Which facebook will then use to match you with others Uh, and facebook is adding a tab for groups a plugin for admins for groups and the ability to post 3d photos To the news feed as well as a way to take old photos and turn them into 3d photos I think the big one out of all of these announcements here Is the dating right? Using your facebook profile for dating that's and also to only match you with non friends Like what about the scobals of the world who have 5,000 friends like who are you gonna meet? Finally gets to meet someone who doesn't know who he is Maybe Maybe not. I'm sure prior to f8. Isn't this a weird thing to announce Hey, facebook now wants people to date each other and all of the Weirdness that comes along with that It it seems a little bit weird I think they don't care though because it seems weird to the people who care And most people Are just gonna harp on the opportunity to Date or hook up or I mean it's a service that makes so much sense with it within the context of facebook I never thought they would do it, but now that they are doing it It seems completely obvious And I like the fact that your dating profile is not available to your friends Because maybe you don't want people to know what you're doing there I guess it's gonna mean that a lot of people are gonna It's personal. It's you know, it might be into certain things that you're like man, my friends don't need to know that I don't think it's a bad idea for facebook to do this. I think it's weird that the timing is such I mean f8 is on the horizon f8 is already supposedly gonna be dialed way back because of data issues Well, this was announced at f8 today like this was on stage. They opened a keynote at f8 This is their announcement like here you go. Boom I don't know. It's I don't know. It's weird. Well, I I think it's uh A lot of people have already forgotten about the they have a vague feeling about facebook Maybe maybe not. I don't know and this almost changes the conversation. I think it's like, oh, they're they're starting this Uh, uh new service that does something they've never done before and look at match and what does it do to match and Yeah, I think that they're they're not shy about doing it because It it makes sense and people who are interested in this don't care about the other stuff It is interesting that by all accounts they decided not to announce a smart speaker Because of the concerns about privacy and data collection, but they did announce dating right Dating where you meet a person in real life potentially that yeah And and what is it? What's the big the the big advantage to facebook with dating is we know so much about you We can make a better match, right? And right now facebook's trying to pull back from knowing so much about you I I think I really don't think that's such a big deal. Uh, the the smart speaker would add a way of You know of collecting data about you in a very very personal setting But creating a dating profile You are in control of what you put in that dating profile Probably from information that for the most part you already have given to facebook anyway So I don't see it as a huge problem in that regard All right, let's talk about developers. Uh, zuckerberg, uh had some work to do to restore developer confidence. There was a bbc article Uh, quoting a lot of developers On all ends of the spectrum from ones who've been banned who are understandably very upset to To others who say I think they're looking for reassurance about its business model its future its investment Its investment in new technology and one of the things that zuck said in the keynote was We are reopening the platform for app review. They had paused it after the cambridge analytical stuff Uh, and a lot of developers are like when you're going to reopen this like we've invested a lot in this platform We need to make updates. We need to roll out new apps. That's happening again The first big one they announced was clear history which lets facebook account holders clear browsing data From the facebook database See what's in the database about them and even ask facebook not to tie Browser data that is collected to the profile browser data that facebook collects Comes from not only using facebook.com But also if you're browsing on sites that use facebook as an ad provider Or more likely what you'll see is a like button on a third party site That sets a cookie that then facebook collects data about you and if you have a facebook account it can Collate that data They're saying we we'll get rid of that data. We'll let you delete that data We'll even say you you can let you say, please don't collect this data about me They won't remove it from anonymous aggregation So they're still collecting data anytime somebody visits a site with a like button Whether they're associating it with you or not is what they're giving you control over Again, I mean this is things that they should probably do um This is so obscure though I really think that The vast majority of people will never go in and check for this on instagram I clear my browsing history Often just because it's an option not really because like I mean who else would ever see it But like I feel like if I have the option do that I like to do that So the fact that facebook is allowing this is like I would take advantage of this Yeah, but you're also very tech savvy sarah. You're not the average facebook But this is also I mean it's not like I mean clearing browsing data is you know, I think most people understand what that means And I think it's something they have to do right in order to say You have the option to get rid of this. You have the option to have us not track you Right, I think that's more important for for looks, but also for tech savvy people who are like, wait Why isn't there a way for me to clear this? so Well, also because people are going to be checking out folks to date Got to clear that browser Now it's all coming together Spotify soundcloud and gopro are among the first third-party apps that will let users share to facebook stories and instagram stories directly So you don't have to take a screenshot. You can be in spotify Press a button share your playlist. You can be using your gopro Take a short movie send it right into instagram instagram gives users the ability to edit and add stickers and all that stuff So, you know, let's say you share your spotify playlist you press share It gives you the edit screen you can write, you know rocking out on it and then Send it on it's very way Obviously, I don't use instagram stories because But it's really this is really just another example of instagram and facebook stories trying to get ahead of snap snap doesn't play with third-party developers as well Um, complete No, no relation. Um, have you guys seen the stories on netflix or is it a test they're doing and I got into the AB testing now, that's just their way of doing previews on the modal app right, right But it's so much like stories. It was they made it look like stories. So everybody's like, whoa, this is weird um Facebook's ar studio can now create 3d objects including a library of models from sketchfab if you don't want to make your own 3d object It can also now track targets like faces and hands and bodies So you could stick someone like a hat on someone it can separate people from their backgrounds So you can put them in a totally different location Something called semantic scene understanding can create contextual effects. So if you have a Coffee cup in real life, you could make ar steam rise up off of it And effects can be tied to a specific location as well ar apps can be used on facebook instagram and messenger Now the green screen studio gets better, doesn't it? Yeah, this is really good for developers makes the ar stuff really easy Yeah Well and creators as well who you know might not have a lot of uh money for you know expensive you know camera equipment But the uh the benefit of you know, what it ends up being is is still pretty cool And brands can also use ar when chatting with customers now So that I don't know they can show you how to fix your pipes or something I don't know messenger also gets improvements to chat bots that will mine frequently ask questions on company facebook pages So they can answer questions faster and a translation feature Uh spanish and english for marketplace related conversations if i'm selling a product and my ad is in spanish Uh, I can chat with someone who wants to buy it who speaks english and messenger will translate for us They say that starting in marketplace, but they'll eventually roll this out in more places on messenger and include more languages as well Let me ask you both this uh and roger you too Have you ever had a successful chat bot conversation on facebook messenger because i've tried and it never works That's why I never tried I ordered a domino's pizza on facebook messenger once And it worked fine from a chat bot. Yeah, it worked fine I've never used a chat bot on messenger. I only message real people I don't know. I I feel like it's it's It sounds better than the execution ends up being for me because I've actually tried a few times and i'm always like They won't answer or I get like a weird response And uh, finally before we we just to wrap up our facebook f8 coverage for today the uk parliament issued a warning to facebook CEO mark zuckerberg Uh that he should voluntarily give evidence to parliament Or he will get a formal summons to appear in court the next time he visits the uk Uh, there are reports that zuckerberg wants to visit the european parliament this month So apparently it's in reaction to that Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Well, let's check the mail bag sarah Let's do it matt green from sydney australia says yesterday on our show yesterday tom mentioned coming to australia Which is true tom is getting to australia may 11th May yes, uh, there'll be a meetup on may 15th in sydney at 6 p.m At the hearts pub and one on may 22nd in melbourne at 6 p.m at bart ronica Excellent matt green said I am very excited for those potential meetups that were posted in a patreon update In fact, I immediately logged in to see and was shocked to find that my pledges Have been failing on page in for months. 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What what did you never never restrain patrick vasja um First he could just not go to the uk ever that doesn't that would have like getting getting the sacrifice Right. Yeah, it's you know But that's I mean that's then he'd never be able to visit his favorite pub Which is I don't know. I'm just making that Because apparently the uk has the the the blind pig The dog and duck right. I think the blind pig It works the like less ox They're always like there's corner pubs where you're just like these are the best names There needs to be like a website about them and there probably is like a tumblr somewhere about You know cool british pubs The other thing I wanted to mention is you I don't realize how much well, I think I might but In general, we don't realize how much uh different how many different things Facebook does until f8 comes around and they're like, oh, we're doing this and we're doing that and we're doing you know translation for the marketplace thing and we're doing it and it's Uh, it they're so enormous. It's almost it's like amazon. You don't realize how much they do until you Look at it more carefully That's a great point because you think about a lot of these companies as the the first product, right? You think about amazon as a retail shop Maybe you don't think about them just about as a bookseller anymore But you think of them as amazon.com, but they do aws and all that stuff same with facebook You think about them as oh the social network But there's so much more even just in the social network going on Much less instagram whatsapp oculus, etc. Yeah so Pretty impressive Platform gentlemen scholars. Yes, ma'am before you go. Let me say this uh Date your facebook messenger or date. It's your fate or f like fate f8 Oh Weird stymied. I think date I had to look at it date. It's your f8 Okay, but like your fate. Yeah, that's that's because messenger is like not Yeah, okay Why is date not d8? It could be. Oh, that's good. I like that. Hey, excellent. Yeah I love I love my bad friend she gets them every time. No it was perfect It was actually good Um, I see. Okay. So, um, just to remind you guys tomorrow. I'm remote I'm on the show as usual, but I'm I'll just not be here. Okay. I will be remote Um, and I will remind you of that in the morning Gotcha Okay Bye. Well, we'll miss you internet All right Also next week, uh, I have to go to Helsinki for the day. So I will be back for the show It's late at night here. Um, but I might not be as available for the prep Gotcha. Um What is next week? Is there There's so many conferences Next week is google i o next week is microsoft build build Google i o on the eighth white. Oh, yeah, there it is. Um, yeah, so google i o will be our topic. That's easy, right Hope they have better cheaper phones for me to buy The pixel three is not cheap All right, I will abscond Right Thank you patrick Thank you. Oh, thank you chat room. I will talk to you soon of while over later Later skater Uh, so yeah, so we're we have an abbreviated post show today because sarah had to head off for some other stuff And patrick, obviously it's late there too. 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