 Welcome once again to the breakfast here on plus TV Africa. It's time for off the press and this morning We are kicking off with the nation news papers just before we introduce our guest Share with you some of the big stories is gonna be in your screen in a few seconds Yes, there you have it. It says here la one by Javier Miller Adamu southern governors wrong Igbo youths north north minority reps not doja. Okay call for national dialogue and Restructuring police station raised suspects suspects freed in another attack by gunmen Also 2.9 million IDPs in Nigeria says UN agency X echomog commander General don't go arrow dies at 80 We can also find on the nation this morning company income tax grew by 97 billion narrow in the quarter one and And there on as a sane don't set Igbo's against Yoruba's Sultan tells Buhari and governors to end in security also on the nation this morning experts seek more investment in agriculture for food security military to vaccinate IDPs and prison inmates also for killed by customs men in oil those are the big ones on the nation news papers this morning and On the Guardian newspaper Nox kudos for anchor borough scheme in Southwest scheme in corruption prune says or your AFN chairman our biggest challenge in undo is herdsmen akim b declares or your getting set to Access anchor borough scheme says Raji. We released 1.8 billion naira to 8,757 beneficiaries in Ogun CBN insist under farmers Nesro trade words overfraud allegation also on the Guardian newspaper Proposed national carrier gets to 50 million dollars lifeline Lagos community alerges heads men invade farmland attack cows Nigerian celebrates aid victory in darkness as outrage persist Africa's COVID-19 testing declines as deadly variant spreads COVID-19 cases surpassed 4.66 million 22.4 million Africans vaccinated NPH CDA silent and dates of next batch of AstraZeneca Six equitable access to vaccines. Those are the stories of the Guardian newspaper All right now on the Daily independent. Let's see what we can find how rice exports can earn Nigeria 15 billion dollars yearly says investors Again, gunmen Bon Abia police station free detainees Buhari pledges action against bandits and threat to food security Appeals for more understanding with his administration Also this morning Tarabah acts subject to confront bandits federal government to resuscitate special terrorism prosecution courts We can also find on the Daily independent this morning open grazing ban critics have a hidden agenda says governor autumn hails southern counterparts bold step to address insecurity Another gas explosion rocks a belkata on salad day and also why we wanted harmonization in Edo PDP That is from idahosa Basaki demands letter withdrawal and apology from Edo PDP chair Well, I think these are the ones that we can share this morning from daily independent. All right on the punch newspaper Presidents plea for understanding Buhari ignorance full of excuses says PDP ACF Panda others Ordering weapons training troops in usage time takes time says Buhari Nigerians tired of your endless stream of excuses PDP tells president Understand plight of kidnapped victims paying heavy ransom. That's according to the ACF Above the headline on the punch newspaper foreign sponsors a drive-in Nigeria's infrastructure project says World Bank NLC backs new pank kicks against patrol subsidy removal Three refineries processed no crude in January. That's according to the NNPC Restructure your state stop regional campaign Laman tells governors Below the headline on the punch newspaper Protesters customs men kill five Salah font seekers in oil Rumored Lagos iPod planned attack meant to cause division. That's according to Ohaneze Buhari others mourn as ex-chief of defense staff dies at 80 wife six help as under pastors abducts abductors demand 30 million Naira Screening begins as 21,000 battle for 5,000 or go teaching slots And lastly on the punch newspaper federal government to revive special tourism Prosecution court soon, and that's according to Malami Good morning, Mr. Jede Johnson chief lecturer Nigerian Institute of journalism. Thanks for joining us All right, so there's so many stories here on the on the papers we've seen from you know, the South southern governors and all the criticism and even praise for the abandon of open grazing in Nigeria to Just like criticism of the president Muhammad Ibu Harry By lots of groups the PDP the ACF the pandev seeing the president is just ignorant and full of excuses Oh, yeah, would you like to comment? well if this Picker that is from the south world Is totally against what the governors of the south have done We can agree with what the Senate president has said and that's why we have come on for time limit Which is something that has to be this post the speaker the speaker had been in the office of reps 2003 law and had been in national assembly since 1999 and they are far away from reality because the they've been feeding on On public on public Office the easiest way for you to escape poverty in Nigeria and in Africa is for you to have access to public public office 17 governors from the south made and the Kimopati resolution This is the first time they are meeting in recent memory Regularly the 19 governors of the north they meet regularly and they come up with resolution I have never seen law are up by that be a mirror raised any issue to that effect now for the first time The southern governments in recent memory met and they came up with a lot of issues that is affecting us and in that resolution we are seeing and the Senate president and The speaker of the house of rep disagreeing with them What they should have done is to look at what are the issues that they have faced what are the things we can do and Collectively we find solution to the problem instead of them of thinking on how to work with the companies so that I can be solution to the Numerous problems we are they are criticizing They are criticizing them and that's this the reality of our country and I challenge these Senate president and the speaker was a rep for them to take a tour of Nigeria without even with their security Details let them take it up of all the states and all the local government in Nigeria And let us see whether they have what we would change or whether they are what view will remain the same They are far away from reality and that's why they can criticize Who happens to be at the state level and who? They in there are receiving Security to that effect Definitely there will be people that will keep nox to go no for them coming together and for some of us we think is a step in the right direction and this meeting should become a recurring feature because The not and gov knows just about two weeks ago the not and gov knows where and meant the press and they had a meeting with the president I hope the president see also we have a meeting with the southern Gov know they should make a demand for it and the speaker and the Senate president she also called for meeting instead of coming to the place of these people using the media platforms To criticize them for taking a step in the right in the right direction They move above partisan hill to sell that particular product. So that's my trigger. All right There's a follow-up to that story that it says the Igbo youths not minority reps and ladder Okay call for national dialogue So let's talk a little bit about that, you know the conversation about a national dialogue once again We've had one in the past Because we run away from reality and we are playing your street And that's reality of our political system unfortunately The present government at the national level And our country's most of the state while they were in a position They were clamoring for restructuring. They were calling for changes in the system It was the party that believed that the present structure is not right and unfortunately for us that party cut to power and that party Has been playing leave service to restructuring. Let me give you an example. It's the issue of local government 1999 constitution did not make exclusive provision for the local government The local government is let at the messy of national at the state as of assembly Which is an appendage of the office of the governor. So in some states We don't have to comment election while we have a sole administrator and just last week the Supreme Court ruled that The solution of the local government by the Ohio State governor was illegal So we don't have that structure in legal states. I recall The Lagos was in the forefront of fighting PTP particularly of us on your administration when to know who created the 37 else sitting is and 20 local men I go and I thought that with a PC in power those 37 ACs will have been listed in the future to of the 1999 In 1999 conscience and aberration is is a product of 1995 Constituent assembly which brought about Which was meant to perpetuate abacha and power which concentrated too much power in the presidency in the present structure? The presidency is so powerful. It's so it's so powerful that all other agencies of government the we saw how the Presidency successfully removed the the Chief Justice of the Federation we saw how Successively moved the Chief Justice of the Federation we you could see how the Speaker of the House of Rep and the Senate president how they dance and watch the body language like we see in our plan of the Presidency before they make any political process but so there's a need for us to restructure the longer We deny that fact the more we are moving away from reality our structure of governance He's yelling for do we have fiscal federalism? Why must we all go to a good job to share resources at the end of the month? These are issues that we need to address and they will address it better So you agree that there should be so you agree that there should be a national dialogue to bring these things To the table. I should be there should be a conversation on I want to move this nation this one forward I'll just try to do this the National Security Council man in the national security Meeting 99% of those that attended the meeting were from the north Only one person was on the south and called a national security meeting to discuss issue affecting the service Even the issue of federal character is not be is there in the concern He's not been addressed look at the composition of the national security of Nigeria Is it your work security of Nigeria? So these are issues that we need to address We can continue to go in this in this manner. There's the same I look at Alec You don't shave a man's head in his absence. You don't shave a man's head in his absence And what we are having is that we have we have a Structure of governance that is not diverse enough that is not inclusive enough that is not engaging enough And so that that that's that's the challenge And that's what I call the diet risk on tea you apply the diet principle in whatever you want to do You cannot succeed from commercial point of view and even from public policy point of view whether you are commercial or non-commercial Profit or not for profit private or public enterprise because you must be diverse You must be inclusive and then you must engage for you to succeed Really and there's so much, you know all the stories here that we've seen on the papers from the 70,000 refugees the United Nations agency says in Nigeria To 2.9 million IDPs in the country to a DSS report. I've been saying, you know DSS reports these days from, you know, the beginning of May this year, especially You know, Latin, Nigerians and other security agencies to a potential threat to our security And there's one that says the on is it or rather that iPop plans to attack Lagos state But on is in Degbo here is responding to that saying this is just meant to cause the vision What do you think about these stories? Well, if If those security reports are coming from state agencies, what have they done? to prevent Such threat and then she was such thing come out into the public domain and when it comes to The budget or the finances of security. You don't bring that even to public domain Well, when it comes to reports of how it affects and this report itself can either heighten the tension That is already existing or if it's not existing create the Detention who are the principal actors behind? This plan attack. What steps are we taking to prevent such attack from taking place? There will always be threats in any case in any democratic in any society and whether in United States, we think that they have the highest level of intelligence and certification when it comes to Security issues. They are domestic terrorists in United States America. But what steps are we taking and then why do I would you report play on ethnicity? that okay The egos are planning to I have asked It's only from political point of view that would be divide ourselves Go to the universities to steep people from different parts of Nigeria relating together All you need to do is to go to the markets go to different markets And you see Nigeria for all walks of life Selling from the not from the East on the it is the political class that usually John That you said next city To divide us and when you take politics out of it Nigerians really better with one another There is that threat the responsibility of security justice is to prevent such threat for manifesting That's my Conduct also to mention what nine Internally displaced person if you have 2.9 people internally displaced You need anyone to tell you you need rocket science to tell you that yes This is within the country that has a potential threat That's the angle which you are looking which you are looking at a potential danger is for you to send your reporters to go out It's there for them to do you know be when we are off here you are talking about okay before I joined you are talking about Investigative journalism our journalist that had kind of investigation field threaten What is the nature and structure of rest of them in Nigeria? All you need to do is to go to all motor parks and look at the People right in Okada in legal state for example the majority of the people right in Okada legal states are not Nigerians they are from neighboring countries and Most of them are teenagers Most of them is a potential danger You don't need security agencies to tell you that just take your camera and go and record all of this So you don't need rocket science. So when we have 2.9 million people internally displaced That tells you that there is a crisis 2.9 million people internally displaced Is is is an indication of the security situation in the country and GSS and the rest of them. What steps are they taking concerning concerning? concerning concerning that Let me jump to another story which the Atonition Said the federal government will assume the special terrorist what oh Is now is just coming to the reality is now the attorney general is just coming to the reality The federal government needs to you know last week we said what is the difference between banditry and terrorism? He's just playing on words The terrorists is it those that are engaged in banditry. They are domestic terrorists They should be classified as such, but as there be any prosecution as you have been any prosecution of any bandit Rather we see people that have held public office questioning Providing justification for banditry. We see people that are held with we saw a professor That said the southern governors that had an NHS that southern governors must provide Something for land for for for others to to grace their land So government must provide land for people running their private business would be not with the 19 Northern governors provide land for me to run to to have a big reform in the north. Can I Can I can I start a big business in the north? I'm take others. That's that's that's animal husbandry. Can I start it in the north That should be the conversation and I think the government should have raised it can be not our customers provide land for people to run Pee-kree in the north They are collecting money on that Yet they stop the sale and consumption of upward in the north Yeah, they collect the money up on that for the consumption of those product in the south So you see the need going back to the issue of restructuring Going back for the need for us to have a conversation on a national dialogue How do you want to move? How do you want to move this this this nation forward? All right You reward criminality you then go shit with bandit. You give money to bandit You are telling people it pays more to be a criminal than for you to be law to be law Abiding in this country and that's and that's the danger of of what we have in in our system All right, I want to backtrack a little bit Yeah, fantastic. I want us to go back a little bit to the conversation on you know IPOB and You know Lagos state and those statements by the DSS And do you think it's also important that we find out exactly because you know for the longest time the IPOB It never really has had the voice or a spokesperson, you know, they've been prescribed and so they don't have a recognizable voice And so they can easily be blamed for anything But do you think it's important that? Nigerians know 100% if the IPOB has been a violent group or not because they've Constantly denied being responsible for any of the violence in the southeast One of the stories in the news morning is about another police station attacked in Abia state raised rather in Abia state We still don't have clarity on who exactly is committing these offenses and attacking security infrastructure in the southeast So do you think it's important that we are first of all establish who is responsible for these attacks and whether the IPOB truly is Being violent before we can name them, you know and as a likely to attack Lagos state Our view that this bit of violence in the south is as increased Tremendously the attack on critical security infrastructure But the question we need to ask it who is the state director of TSS in the southeast is the commissioner of police The state security council, you see the best way to prevent to stop a crime is to prevent it from happening That's what is called crime prevention the best way to stop Terrorists is to take counter terrorist action to prevent it from happening and that's to do with intelligence That's to do with intelligence and the question I asked is what are What are our intelligence agency? What are they doing? How can the government justify the money they spend on security work? if you can't get the Intelligence that is required for us to know one who is responsible and there is a thematic Critical security infrastructure in the southeast and I think that that has to do with the security agency Some of these you don't need to bring it to the front corner But it should not give us report on the surface that they are planning to attack Although what they should tell us is that we have stopped a plan attack Not that they are planning to attack that means that we are saying they are planning to attack That means it's a continuous action is an action that is likely to happen in the future But what steps are you taking to address this issue? And I think these are the areas in which the security intelligence community must walk on It must prevent it from happening. It must take counter steps to stop it. So we have the anti-terrorism Unit of various intelligence agencies. So what steps are they taking if people perpetrating this crime? Against humanity and against the state are not ghosts. They are not ghosts They are not. How do they move without being stopped by by security? You can't move from one place to the other if Kainams and the rest of it what intelligence we have the same intelligence They have that I published living in the southeast to come and attack Legals such intelligence should be used to prevent the attack that is happening in the south And then if I come is leaving the southeast, you know, maybe it says they will go through they will go through the south South and then before they get they will go through most of the southwest It's a southwestern state before they get to legals. So what steps have you put in place to stop that? You have costum. You have NDCC. You have you have police. You have DSS. You have army. You have military formation And I don't know. I just I just can't I just can't understand that that if it's Is there there is an existential threat to national security to national infrastructure to lies and property Those agencies should take steps to prevent it. That's your responsibility. That's what you hire So many other stories really but I don't know if we have time to talk about an NNPC report here That through refineries in the country produced absolutely no crude oil in the year in in January this year I think the article Plan is what was your adult What's the article plan? You know when it was company said he was going to prioritize energy Rest of and the question you ask if you have evidence to support that You saw what the revolution of the broadcast sector What it has done to the broadcast sector in Nigeria before of us tends to rely on mte and the state television And you saw what he did we saw what the revolution of the teleconceptor you we saw what he did the revolution of the teleconceptor What it brought about competition and improvement in what is happening at that at that sector I think that government needs to have a concentration and that that Aspect should be run by private enterprise and government should just Collect taxes from those enterprise the money we have the money that was budgeted for Turn around maintainers and innovation of the product called refineries Was said that is enough to establish five refineries by something And what steps are we taking if they are producing zero? What does not work? I'll end with this illustration Which was given by professor jesus When he was talking about an agreement he said he man planted Planted a tree and the tree a vine tree the vine was not even a vine. He said okay. What are it? What are they said? They should cut it I said no what are it dig around it watch it for another year Then look at it if it does not produce result then cut it off There's a need for us to cut off an NPC and take this burden away from us There's a need for us to invest in our culture. There's a particular story that said export of rice We had Nigerian 15 billion dollars 15 billion dollars we come from if we export rice What steps are we taking to to that effect the money we have spent on refineries that is not working Let private investors operating that and let's invest in our culture and then we make money from Nigeria And we take Niger from building monoproduct economy to a multiproduct economy And then that's the diversification Which we are looking at and we don't rely on oil when the price of oil drops Then we have problems with the economy or when we invest in other sector I think we become energy dependent and we'll be less dependent on on oil as the source of income for Nigeria All right, we don't have to print money like the central bank T As as as alleged by the governor of a dosage or you need to comment worldwide United States of America is printing money So when they are deceiving us that they do print money All you need to do is to look at price index of commodity pull up and to look at the inflationary yesterday I bought a haul to service my generator The oil you know how much I bought it last time I bought it 1,500 you know how much I bought it yesterday We bought it 2,300 and I was sharing my experience with my friend He said no he bought it so 2,500 what was sold 1,500 has increased to 2,500 There's what you want to know that your currency is valueless 10,000 I cannot buy you anything Mr. Jede Johnson I'm I'm I'm sure that the rest of Nigeria and so almost the 200 million of us do share your pain You know, thank you very much. Mr. Jede Johnson for your time on the breakfast It's a pleasure to be with you Oh my I really was saying that yesterday I went to do some shopping yesterday And I came back telling my friend would you believe how much I bought this and she said I remember when we used to buy this particular item for 20 Naira and now it's it's just Sadly when things go up in Nigeria and they never come down, you know, it just you know continues to you know to rise And millions and millions of Nigerians would have to of course continue to adjust Are you saying Nigeria's problems defy the law of gravity? Yes, they do absolutely Good morning. Stay with us. We have today in history coming next. I'm going back to 2013 to share with you What happened on this day 14th of May? Yes, still 2013 as well. Do stay with us