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This is Steve Maeda, and I am your host for today's episode and today We have something we've all been waiting for a lot of people have been asking me about this And it is an interview with James Marshall now a lot of you guys are fans of them But in this interview you're not gonna be disappointed because we get very intimate very deep on a lot that is behind this Amazing man, you know this guy that is known as an adventurer a seducer a true warrior true champion And we get into his mind what changed him what developed that you know He didn't start out that way in what were the choices decisions and journeys that he's still on today But that happened in his life that made him who he is a little bit of history here James did a 2011 21 convention speech in London as well as a 2012 one and definitely check those out But if you haven't seen his keynote speech in 2012 from Melbourne, Australia Definitely definitely make that a priority on your playlist now aside from that James is going to be with us in Tampa, Florida for this year's event in 2014 that's pretty amazing and it's just around the corner October 24th 25th 26th He is going to be there sitting down face-to-face with you guys and in working with you and something that James loves to do You know I'll be there 20 other speakers are gonna be there that are at the highest level in their field If you have not gotten tickets yet, you can get them at the 21 convention comm slash event And I guarantee you that if you like what you hear in this this rich rich episode where we get to know an amazing man a true leader You're gonna love sitting down face-to-face with all of us joining the discussion and the journey to be the ideal man Let's get in to this amazing podcast Here we are with the James Marshall 21 Convention alumni speaker and keynote speaker from Melbourne, Australia in 2012 and also will be at the Tampa events 2014 get your tickets now if you want to talk to this guy and also if you want to talk to this guy or whoever else that you See on this podcast, but um man It's been a long time since actually since 2012 since we hung out. What's what the hell's been happening, man Like what's been going on with your life? Well many many things of all sorts of varieties Well the last couple of years for me have been pretty much an endless loop of traveling the world Mixing it up between lots of coaching with guys in 20 countries as well as following my own spiritual pursuits and random Insanities for everywhere from the Amazon jungle through to You know the wild east of Europe back to Australia and so on Yeah, so a lot of stuff man business coaching women unplugging from the realities that have been grafted upon us by the powers that be and Lots of other fun stuff. So it's been wild like you and I we know each other pretty well, but like Everybody has their own journey in this and I know and I don't know it for you've only like hinted to me through You know a few correspondence back and forth because like I said, we hadn't we haven't talked for a while, but This sort of idea of getting out of the hold, you know of what society teaches what a man to be a man sex life should be What women to be what their sex life should be but also their professional life their lifestyle and what is good What how did you kind of like break that hold of that idea and You know, I know you've done a bunch of stuff and I want to actually get into it here But like what was the first thing that really broke that we'll say mold of masculinity and sense of self that You know this zeitgeist world taught you to live by and brought you into who you are now and how you're evolving now. I Think I don't think I ever was really in the running to join the normal human race There was not like I was not like I dabbled in it You know wore a tire for a while and did the right then one day said, you know what goddamn I'm gonna put on a cardigan and go on conquer the world By the way, is this video as well? Yeah. Oh, wow, isn't the future amazing? It's incredible. Oh, yeah I'm so born in the 70s. So Yeah, I mean I was always a bit of an outsider, I guess and at first that wasn't something that really helped me Yeah, I was into singing opera. I was a I was a guy was into Eastern philosophy into I don't know for love Like all sorts of stuff that wasn't being an Australian kid who played football and drank beer and was destined for a career in you Know somewhere in the suburbs and and any of that. So I was always doing different stuff I think the point was that at foot that at some point I learned how to make that work So I knew that I was always gonna be a weirdo, but I was gonna be a guy Wasn't gonna follow the status quo and I wasn't doing that out of an act of like rebellion particularly It's just that it didn't suit me at all. Sure. I just want to I wanted to do different things and I realized pretty early that Well first that was for me. That was music You know, I was a musician for a long time, but I realized that that wasn't gonna make me money It wasn't gonna make it lifestyle for me And so I started looking more intelligently at how I could I guess unplug from From society's constraints and and and then learn how to jump from society to society and take the best pieces out of it Without being trapped way any any single one of them and that's been I guess the main the main focus of myself over the last say five years Yeah, so I really mean what what the initial step out for me was going to China and studying martial arts and Shaolin temple and Deciding to be a full-time musician even if that meant being living on lentils and sleeping on people's couches Which I certainly did a lot of Yeah, I guess I wasn't I wasn't afraid to to live rough or to You know not have any security which which nobody has anyway. There is no security It's just it's total illusion, but people are very addicted to that illusion of security. I just never was well You know, this is interesting because you talk about this idea of I'm gonna word it as somewhat of a social misfit, you know, and I know for myself just Nothing nothing felt normal to me And I just didn't make the right choices in life and a lot of times or you know, the right choices in life What I mean by that not necessarily what is right, but to follow who you are and to do what you want You know, there's this huge relationship with experience and you know Cause and effect and all the sort of stuff that happens that it was not always good And there was like a lot of pain and confusion and whatnot from that It's so interesting because when you talk about like man, I just you know, wasn't set out to be a you know Well, I forget what you said normal normal Aussie kid or normal, you know, human on this earth in that sort of pursuit of Finding that happiness and confidence within that, you know What took you through those times of confusion because I know for myself and I know for everybody else that I talked to Who's had this sort of lifestyle? I mean there's times of heavy doubt where nothing is on your side, you know What what carried you through that? Yeah, I think when you when you decide to live an extreme life, you you have to hit both ends of it So you're gonna have extreme highs you're gonna have extreme breakthroughs and you're gonna have extreme breakdowns as well I mean when we first met when was that 2011 2011? Yeah Yeah, I mean despite the fact that I was in many people's eyes You know a seduction hero and I was living my life and whatever I was going through a really Horrific time in my life. Yeah, that was that was a really interesting wake-up call for me because I I think I thought That I'd finally been gotten through all that, you know that that that was part of being a young man and being right Austin having those doubts and I realized that no, it's not it's it's something that cyclically reappears in your life In terms of no matter how high you go Things will get stripped away from you and shattered Periodically and you have to learn to embrace that and you have to learn to understand that is part of the cycle And I think the thing that really gets has got me through those times is well firstly it's been having a very strong brotherhood of of men and women of the sisterhood of people who are truly deeply your friends and collaborators and I think I've learned over the years the true value of loyalty and real real friendship, which is rare And those people, you know there to support you through those at those times And the other thing is that it's that never I've never Associated my success my status my money with With with being like with being happy So it's that my internal spiritual pursuits have always been primary And so when I've had periods where things when the shit's fallen apart It's been okay because I can always sit down meditate I can always go you know step out on the journey again I know that I'm resourceful and resilient and that And I'm charming and I know how to seduce people men and women And you know, I know how to do all those things and I'll be fine So I think when I especially when I see clients who are very very rich for example It's really interesting to see the way that they're so Fixatedly attached to that that defines them and that there's shit scared of losing it Yeah, so I think I think part of it is like Going through a process. We have had everything stripped away from you because most people don't face that they're really scared of it so they they always avoid that no matter what and particularly, you know like going to doing things like going into the jungle and Taking you know insane psychedelics for a for a month or yeah living off no money or any of those things Take you to the point where you know that yeah, you can survive the worst and therefore you can enjoy the best Well, let's get into this because I think that there's a major Life will do that to you it will break you and I almost don't want to talk to anybody who hasn't I don't want to say that but if I because I want to talk to everybody I think socializing and what you're talking about the community and the connection I want to ask you more about that and you know, the brotherhood sister type thing is so important It's it's an absolute for humanity. We need to be connecting But I relate and connect with somebody so much better that where they've experienced that, you know Because in multiple times of my life, I've lost everything and when I mean everything, I mean like very big trap I mean fuck man. I died at 17 and You know I've had all sorts of whatever struggles but What that does is it gives me a perspective of it get actually You know what what that does is it gives me an opportunity to forgive let go of resentment and to work through myself Because if I hold on to anything that keeps me Bound around that story that I'm telling myself the history that's you know back there or just just past two seconds ago It it conflicts with identity and expression and who I am and so your journey You bring up ayahuasca. Everybody wants to know about that. What was that? Experience like for you. When did you start doing it? You know, I think because you've done it a couple times, right? The last couple of years I've been getting into it. Yeah Yeah, it came along into my life through various people that I know and wasn't something I was specifically seeking You know opportunities arose where it was where I had good connections to go and do some work in Peru Actually originally went with Sasha Sasha day game. Yeah, and we went and spent a week together Studying in Peru and that was the first time you did it was with Sasha Yeah, really Wow, cool. It was very funny. I mean it was horrific for him poor bastard He had a he had a really rough trip. I went I went speaking about his his journey, but for me it was it was very nice. It was very cathartic it was I Think it was the final thing that helped me get through the last great love that I'd had in my life and all the heartbreak That that had gone through and I really let go of all resentment and all anger of any Like sadness of that and came to real peace with it and that was a big I guess that was the big piece when I first did it. I went back to the jungle With my good friend Shay Yeah, man, awesome guy. Amazing. Yeah, and yeah And a few other few other funny people and we went into deep into the Amazon and did it in on traditional lands with I guess in a much more intense scenario. So we lived for a month in the jungle, you know hot With no we just five of us there We had one guy who was an amazing guide who went out hunting and fishing and stuff for us and kind of looked after us And fought off of Puma once Really? Yeah, yeah, no, this did you witness this or no? And then and he also got malaria while we're there and just There's a real tough No jungle dude, but anyway, so yeah, we're living in very very austere conditions And we we prepared the vine ourselves and we were on very strict fasting and then we did it every second night for For a month as well as various other herbs and you know, snorting Tobacco up your nose and like having frog poison put on our skin and all sorts of weird shit. So That was a much more Harrowing ordeal both physically because of just being deprived of every single thing that we get used to in the Western When you realize how incredibly addicted to things like salt sugar flavor women and all that stuff you ask me And the way your ego just goes into like supernova fucking meltdowns when it doesn't get to have them But yeah, for me that was a real warriors journey. I guess it was it was Facing like hellish fear Because the intensity of the jungle when you're when you're taking ayahuasca is just so overwhelming it really it's like the whole environment is Coming inside you is is either teaching you or trying to go You know take you down dark paths or possess you and all sorts of really intense stuff and you know I like most people I think when you do this enough you go through I guess a Psycho spiritual death sequence. So you you do experience I guess what it's like to die and to to actually let go of your ego your body and have that all fall away from you and then to To face that and step through it and for me that was that was an amazing experience because I've never felt fear since I don't I don't Yeah, like once I would step through that my life has been I guess feel it's not that I'm tough It's just that I I don't I'm not scared of things like anything really anymore Actually, it's interesting because this was on the Twitter feed that I put out when I was gonna interview you somebody One of the first questions that I got was what what are you afraid of and it had a context with women? I could find the specific one, but um it had to do with that, but explain you know this transition from fear of fearlessness and The detachment of the ego Yeah, I guess it's that I really any fear is is based on having the potential of having something taken away from you or of or of something unknown Coming in and you know taking you over in some way And I think when you're on when you're on I wash it and deeply enough you're gonna experience both those things You're gonna experience being possessed and having your power and control taken away from you And you're gonna experience having everything stripped away and stepping into abysses that you can't fathom in kind of the I guess the normal world and That it was really it was really where all of my martial arts training all of my spiritual training up to date Came into play it was like it was a big exam for everything I'd ever done And it was really yeah, really interesting seeing like I remembered all this kung fu that I'd forgotten and you know I had these these battles with his giant spider and you know kind of in space like Neo style where I'm like fighting this 50-legged spider within these great spiritual battles and Like amazing stuff really some it was so much fun and awesome and better than any drug You could ever possibly have and others it was it was just you know racked with Puking your guts out crying The thing is is is ayahuasca or some of these other I guess you could call them You know stimulants or psychoactive drugs or whatever They're not the same is a drug. You know, you're not doing it as a recreational It's not like having you know Some booze and getting drunk with your buddies. It's not like smoking some weed It's not like you know like a stronger narcotic like cocaine or heroin. It's a much different and when you're doing Ayahuasca or I will gain or something like that. It's it's a It is a different experience that is not I don't know So I think that that's one of the things that people mix up with it is that it has this You know narcotic street drug kind of connotation to it, which is it's impossible to have that experience Yeah, you would you wouldn't go taking this at a party unless you want to you know Shit your pants and puke all over everyone and it's not it's not Experiences and I mean I just would put it out there for anyone who's curious about it. This is not child's play It's not something that I would because a lot of what I noticed in Peru. There's a lot of hippies coming in or people coming out of curiosity and Just like saying Shaolin temple if you want to go online kung fu there and you rock up someone take your money Something but it probably won't be Shaolin kung fu There's a lot of people who are saying the shamans giving people something mixed with LSD mixed with God knows what and people are going crazy And it's and people are you know people have died. Well, that's it's you have to really research carefully Yeah, I think what's interesting about this is for myself, you know, I don't do any anything well anymore but I've done like I've done a lot of drugs man to the point of Man like really fucking crazy shit. I mean that's originally how I had you know flat lines way back but in The whole idea of the whole like Whatever, you know explosion of wanting to do these like psychoactive drugs like ayahuasca or Ibogaine or doing mushroom journeys like I think those are all fine, you know, you can do those But I think that they're done with such a you know Not for the right reasons, you know, and I see these guys and they go through these amazing amazing ayahuasca journeys these these things where they you know Face their fears see death and and whatever and they come out of it and for a week They're good and then slowly their life trickles back into the same shit that they were already in, you know And they hit that point, you know, and we see this with sex like I don't know And I know you've been here with this is where you you're making love with somebody and let's say for me You know, it's like I'm 26, you know right now. I'm 37, but the time I'm 26 and I'm Looking in this woman's eyes and it's the most beautiful thing that has happened But as soon as I you know blow my load or whatever it turns into this, you know, I become I lose all those aspects of it I lose the beauty of the seduction and then I can't communicate it and we see this or I see this so much with guys in the industry You know with sex, you know, it's awesome being a dude in fucking chicks and shit talking afterwards and you know doing all that stuff but if you can't learn to be the man and That holds the presence of seduction and the responsibility of it and all that sort of stuff You you you're missing the point, you know You're you're still a boy and I and I don't mean this like man and boy paradigm But a kid acts immaturally with women, you know, because he doesn't know when he's learning, right? And a man slowly learns to have his own way and that could be any way you want You know for some guys that might be marriage other guys that might be you know Having some sort of playboy lifestyle or whatever, but you know your way and it's much different You know the beauty and I just see people doing that a lot in the the drug experimentation scene or whatever Like I said for myself, man, you know With resentments and all sorts stuff like that, you know, the anger the fears the feelings which I work on on I would say a daily basis, you know, it's it's something that's very very important in my life to get to know myself on that level and You know, I think if you can't take it outside of the drug world or shaman or whatever it is you your Man, it's it's a great experience But it only matters when it can be made to be your own thing, you know And you can integrate it into your entire life Totally, I think that I mean I think that goes with any any pursuit where you're you're trying to push Well, you're trying to disintegrate your ego, you're trying to grow as a man Any of those things they can easily become traps and they can easily be something that people escape into Yeah, I mean, of course, I mean I went through those processes I think like you did early on in seduction that it the One of the initial drives to get really good with women is is usually to prove yourself Yeah, yeah It's like to prove that I'm good enough and that you know Women will like me and then I can beat those jocks or I can get revenge on those cheerleaders or whatever it is And the initial motivation is usually quite immature and I don't think so I don't think that's a bad thing because you've got to start somewhere But I've certainly seen guys get left behind in that the guys who are motivated initially out of a need to prove their ego and then never get to the point where they Transition past that and start to dissolve it and then they just get lost in this endless loop of trying to Constantly get more sex to constantly validate that they are okay with themselves. Yeah So it's I think it's a there's different phases that you go through in terms of a hero's journey Whether whether when you're choosing seduction as your avenue because I think that's truly what seduction is when guys get into it It's that just they're just choosing a type of pathway to go on their own hero's journey And they're making women and sexuality kind of the guiding the guiding light of it And it can easily be something that takes you off your path and and ruins you Just in the same way that guys who don't Who don't engage with it who don't engage with seduction out of fear out of morality or out of nice guy conditioning or whatever Never step into it and as a result They they don't get to face, you know get to face their ego or get to prove themselves or any of those things so I Think for anyone who's coming on these paths Kind of this leads into what I'm going to be talking about at the 21 convention I don't want to give too much away, but I want to talk a lot about Making sure that you're aware that any pathway or any dogma or any thing that you're committed to is only ever As true as it is useful and when it's no longer useful then it's no longer true So because you see that with fanatics of any type any any sort in the world the moment that you become fanatical and rigid about your ideas and Your mindsets then you close all all other doors to all other possibilities You can't communicate with any other type of person and I've seen that you know in the seduction world We're guys are fixated on one particular type of seduction Oh, yeah, or you know hippies in the hippie circles who have fixated on this one type of meditation or whatever it is And it just it just means that you can't open yourself to new changes and growth, you know It's an interesting thing because with martial arts. We see this as a I mean, it's just been so around so much longer than a lot of other things, right? But the truth is not in the method and functionality In order to see something functionality is absolutely dependent I mean if you're into if it's seduction if you're not having sex you really don't know But if it's in fighting, you know, it's got to work It's got to do as it is meant to do However, if we get too attached to the method the the structure the you know all the sort of stuff in order to Assume that that is the truth of who we are, you know to assume that that is the truth and the beauty of it Because when it comes to stuff like fighting, you know, there's so much great philosophy that comes from it for a reason You know the range of humanity that comes in and actually if we look at like more modern studies it with even with war zone or PTSD issues or things of that nature, you know, the brain changes the brain Absolutely, you you become a different person, you know, not saying that you're not responsible for who you are But you're a different version of yourself. You think in a different way and Severe acts of trauma whether they're car accidents or if you're actually in a fighting life or death situation And you know it things happen as things start moving in slow motion, you know, your your body chemically changes You know all sorts of different things happen, but In that, you know to find that experience as a man I believe that well, there's there's reality. There's the truth There's what is and in that journey of experiencing what is I think makes you the best authentic Authentic version of yourself the person that can stand and look somebody in the eye and shake their hand and all that sort of stuff and to You know approach a woman or yada yada yada But the problem is when we get so caught up in that system or in that way And man, you see this happening all the time with pickup, you know, I just Got off a little Facebook chat with somebody who's going but is this the right step and it's like man No, the right step is your right expression This step is here to get you to your expression, but you've got to get to that truth. So man, I think it's interesting I love it, you know Everybody who I've interviewed on this you talk to an expert at whatever level in their life, right? You know if they've achieved it in their life, which for you it's many things but if it's a martial artist if it's a You know fitness guy or a seduction guy we all end up kind of talking about the same phenomenon of Where where where does the expression come from? Where does the you come from? Where does the fulfillment come from? So it's kind of a cool thing Man, I'm excited to hear your speech because you always give such great speeches to well this year It's gonna be I think it's gonna be controversial. It's gonna ruffle some feathers. Yes Should be good. Yeah, I like it. Yeah, no my actually I'll tell you about my speech and plus I just want to run it by you so I can like clarify it because I got to make this outline You know for you those of you watching this year's 21 convention The the CEO and founder of it Anthony Johnson is really So we've been doing this convention for many years right since 2007 And we've gotten the best of the best for many of those years But this year there's a different demand and so there's no no fat on this beast, right? So we have to submit outlines of our speeches and all that sort of stuff but mine is basically going to be on the myth of the alpha male and How we put this pressure on this image, right? And the only way we can have a myth is when we don't know something, you know and and when Look at look at the myths of society or if we look at Greek mythology or religion or you know If you go to like let's say the Amazon jungle myth or whatever is happening there and People in our society judge that but that myth is just to have a relationship with what they don't understand The problem is is in our society. We understand all this shit except ourselves If you take those people who are making myths and smaller societies, they actually they tend to I mean I can't speak for them But whenever I've traveled and you know done the the backpacking thing and really gotten down in deep I tend to notice that many people in the world have an identity in a clear vision of who they are What their history is their passions are and their purpose and to the point where they don't even need to define it but here in our society there's this Abstraction and then we go for this icon and we go for this image that is fueled And in almost dependent upon never finding it and It's it's just such an interesting thing If I want to be the healthiest person when I don't know how to do that when I'm coming out of my pain out of my Let's say shame or anger or resentment I have to be the image of what it's supposed to be and when I'm alone You know and have broken up with somebody and and we feel especially as you know Well a master seducer, whatever that is, you know, and um If I'm in pain, I can't feel that so I have to hit this image and I think the idea of Being something Makes it that you almost impossible for you to be yourself. So kind of moving around in that realm of things But hey Switching topics because I can go off on a long tangent you Just say because it's an interesting thing this this concept of an alpha male and you're talking about it as a mythology and which is essentially an archetype which is like a the The collective input of of let's say Western society up modern Western society up to this point Which is defined that an alpha male is this sort of thing and I think that I mean that exists in all cultures throughout time, but Previously what I think what's missing is that the archetype of the alpha male which they wouldn't have I guess It wouldn't have been referred to as the alpha male in any way But like say the warrior or the right or one of these kind of powerful male archetypes they were based on on a relationship with with nature with each other with your adversaries with your internal and External adversaries and I think they're much more kind of deep and well-rounded archetypes of what I'm what a man is and to go And there was a there was a clear Script of what you went through to go from manhood into initiation boyhood initiation manhood and then elder or wise man or king or whatever later on and The thing that we have in modern Western society is that we've kind of got this plastic version of You know tough guy muscles Gets the girls money Rolex Big you know all these like little pastiche of the external aspects of what what people are trying to sell you is the alpha male and it's and it has no core It has no substance And it's and it's based on the around the idea of men not actually being in touch with their emotions being tough all the time being What successful in materialistic sense all the time? You know all those things which are pretty shallow and almost impossible to achieve And even if you do achieve them they're only fleeting victories anyway And so we have this crisis of massive community in the modern world where men are trying to you know fit into this archetype Which is which is not actually deep which and it's not not one based on you know a collective consciousness or or powerful Connection to source. So where do you think that that comes from? Which well the the whole need for the image. Where do you think that the current modern archetype of the alpha male comes from I? Think it's I don't think it's like a some people think it's kind of a conspiracy dictated by certain people I don't I think it's more a reactionary thing like sure. Yeah For example, you know it comes post posts during the first first and second world war You you create archetypes of of warriors that have to you know are all essentially, you know captain America or all All You know perfect in kind of their morality versus good verse evil kind of stuff Yeah, and then that comes part of society's culture Then you also have the sexual revolution and you know the 60s where you having You know the dynamic of the sexes is changing of race relations of you know people's relationship to their to their past with You know rejecting their their parent society and so a new myth arises then then you have a reaction coming from me You know during the 80s when materialism and money and cocaine becomes the gods and all of these things so I think it's The mythologies that create what a man should be and what a woman should be are a bunch are a bunch of a mixture of political doctrine Advertising music, you know what people are trying to sell you what people are trying to make you afraid of in order to You know send you to wars and all the other crazy stuff that goes into it And as a result The concept of true masculinity or femininity gets totally bastardized and lost and I think that's what's happened I mean look, it's interesting. I really feel that even in the crux of this and part of the whole I guess point of my speech is to to To bring up something like to take things back a little bit further because the idea of even a warrior or a king Or any of these titles and that's like ten thousand years old and humanity and even biology and even animal culture or anything of Sexual that we evolved from or social that we evolved from is far. It's millions of years old and so You know this idea of expression of what a man does is you know It's up to him and men and women are both capable of doing all sorts of shit But when we enforce it it gets fucked up and so how can we take that history of what people did? What was really of that? You know did we we didn't fight we didn't have wars like we used to have we didn't have the same There's there's cultures that don't have the same emotional scope that we have and even limit things And so when we in the importance of that is is we can't go to that. That's not us You know I myself it is impossible for me to become You know some one of those things outside of that culture But I can realize that the human potential and I think if you how I see it is Your self your expression is the only thing you can do and I believe that you know There's a whole bunch out here right you know I'm not really a super religious guy or whatever but spiritual and I think you share the same You know idea that I have it's fairly popular not religious but spiritual, but you know I believe that nature is the absolute it's it's everything right and then culture kind of does stuff and it makes a stuff up And it's all cool because it's culture right you know and and we have to be a part of it And I think it's such a massive Benefit and and draw for us a necessity But it sells us some bullshit and the only way that I can get back to that nature is to explore myself And so when I can do that I can find the truth You know once again the truth is not in the system or the method or whatever But if I can live an experience like like lose everything, you know know what it is like to have the death The loss of everything. I mean Jesus Christ. There was a time Two years ago when I found out, you know, I'm a new father But I wasn't going to see my current kids for a long time. It was terrible. It destroyed me. It destroyed me that damn It was fucking horrible, right? I called everybody in my phone. I sat under a bridge. I fucking cried I couldn't I didn't even want to do I didn't couldn't do anything else But I called everybody in my phone. Nobody picked up and then eventually, you know after sitting around a couple 30 minutes, but it was a long 30 minutes or something, you know, my buddy picked me up We went and went to a rehab talked there whatever expressed but that instant in my life is Such a real part where I could only be me and I could be nothing else and I was forced by it same thing fighting You know, whether you're in really when you're in a point of danger or a threat, you know There's that point of reality. We all hit or ayahuasca or a relationship or a moment when your child was born or whatever type of type Thing but when we're there for the experience and I'm labeling all these big deals But really it's happening right now as we speak, you know There's stuff existing around us that we are not a part of and when we can get in touch with that That's where you see like the absolute truth whether I get there through a system of meditation or whatever You know Doing some eating some crazy root that that it has some awesome effect on me You know if I can get there and use that as the standard of a window to myself and my expression to my culture And my observation of what nature is I believe You know, I don't want a prize or anything, but I have I can stop fighting it, you know And I can stop fighting the whether that's ego or society or culture or whatever it is And it's just such a cool thing. And if we buy into an archetype of what you are you cannot Express it almost yeah heals you from that Yeah, I think that's you know, that's what I've been experimenting with particularly in terms of my traveling lifestyle and moving from country to country stepping in and out of different cultures of different roles And the thing that I see more and more is that yeah all of its arbitrary that a culture That you come from certainly it exists. It affects everything from what you wear to what you eat what you think But I also recognize that it's it's it's just a completely arbitrary set of things that have that have built up over generations and For my part, I really try to not commit to any one of them You know my my job in life is to be able to move throughout all sorts of cultures relationship dynamics being able to live from the most high-end pimping millionaire lifestyle through to living in a shack in the jungle and it's all just as good and You know, I think that's what a lot of guys are looking for when they when they start to unplug because seduction is often a Window into starting to unplug from a lot of things. Yeah Yeah, so first you're unplugging from the idea of that are you supposed to be just would be nice and like ask girls on Five dates and then kiss them at the end of the fifth day and then you unplug from that idea and you're like, okay Well, no, you can just be sexual and go for it And often the girl will want to have sex to you immediately and then you don't have to buy them dinners and stuff And you're like, oh, hang on well, that makes me question a whole lot of other things and And then it depends how far guys want to go. Of course. I mean some I just want to learn how to be more sexual and you know be more I guess Confident and be out of set clear boundaries, which is awesome stuff But once you start going down the rabbit hole often it can it can lead you to some very strange places Yeah, I've been gone and that's what I advocate for anyone who who's bulls enough to go the full distance So this world travel man, you know, you've been doing it for a while Like what have been your your most recent journeys because now this has always been Well, not always but for since I've known you, you know for the past three or four years This has been what you've done, but now you seem much more passionate and even Absolute focused about it You're always focused about it before but what were some of the journeys and the changes that allowed you to say? No, this is the way, you know of James Marshall Yeah, well, I guess when I first met you I was still in the just Hanging on by the skin of my teeth just making it happen. You were at the right before the riches of the hero's journey Definitely. Yeah, I mean for the first Bunch of years that I was doing this business at all It was the same as when I was a musician that was that I was sheer force of will it was bullet It was belligerent belief in myself Even as things crumbled around me. I just I felt like I had no choice in the sense that I Just knew I could it would kill me to have a normal life in the suburbs You know, it's a go and get a normal job or to stay in one a country Which I mean, I like Australia, but it's not wasn't my place, right? And I just knew that I just had this very clear vision in my mind that I need to be on the road somehow making a living doing that Doing the thing that I love which is learning and teaching And connecting with people with women with just with different ideas and and and mastery Which is always, you know, these are my priorities in life. So there was no choice for me not to do that and I Think since you know, since we first met it's it's settled in the sense that I I feel very comfortable in Running a business around through any country in the world. I have a very like solid professional team with me and I'm yeah, I mean it doesn't it doesn't scam any more my comfort zone is the is the planet now I guess the the point is that yeah that one point in my life in my comfort zone was one country And then it started stretching and now I feel comfortable in the world because I can you know, that's where I navigate all the time Because I've had just every day deal being out of my comfort zone. So yeah I'm you know, I'm old in here. I'm slowing down. Yeah. Yeah, we should talk about that because I can I can speak to that me and Hypnotica Eric always always have conversations about that but the You know, I remember at the end of that Euro tour in it was it had to have been 2011 We were like, you know what? I'm gonna move to Budapest but I remember at the beginning of that Euro tour You're like I want to figure some stuff out, you know, there's relationship stuff There's business stuff. Do I want to fully do this in the natural lifestyles was going strong, you know, but it was just your Your purpose and awareness tipped on that because I remember at the end you were like no, I know You know at the beginning of the 10 days you were like, I want to figure this out At the end of the 10 days you were like, no, no, I'm moving to I know I'm moving to Europe I'm gonna go full-fledged on this and this is what's gonna happen. So that's kind of cool, you know Yeah, it's funny because basically what I did was I created an archetypal journey As a product Yeah, that that was for me as much as it was for my students. Totally. Absolutely You know, it's it's crazy how the world teaches you It's like I needed to get to Europe initially to be with this one woman So I needed to create a product to Fund it and that brought all these now. I mean there's been hundreds of guys that come through this this course with me Who've every single time go through their own in their own masculine transformation and all of the crazy stuff that happens But every single time I keep on looping and doing the thing So yeah, it's so interesting that Because I get the same thing from teaching is that you're What you create, you know to work with people if you're involved, you know There's a lot of guys that make static products, but you know, I'm very hands-on much like yourself That when you do that it is so much for yourself, man in it in it in every time It actually exponents it changes and sometimes that might not happen But that's just setting you up for a bigger slingshot the next time And it's so interesting because these other the your clients, you know, my clients who go through it They're getting they're getting this much and I'm getting you know, I'm getting this much And it's it's a beautiful thing and I just want to always encourage them. It's like no man You're you're only getting this much though You're you're just getting a small amount of this awesome journey. So go and find it, you know You know go and experience and go and do those those things because I like you total social misfit and didn't know what was going on You know terrible confusions through that and then finally you pick up some steam and get some success and It's so interesting because I just remember I was 24 And I was working professionally in theater and film And uh really, you know, actually doing really well, you know, but just not making a lot of money But doing some amazing artistic things and I just remember working at a coffee shop These guys from my high school came in and it was in a different city than you know, where I went to high school And actually got kicked out of high school. I never finished and they were like, hey, what's up, man? You know, and I'm like, oh, you know, not much and they just they spent like a good, you know Solid 15 seconds of that like dickhead ish like, oh no, man. I'm you don't want to see my car I got a Mercedes the other day, you know with my wife and just going through the whole bit You know, they're selling real estate. They're like, you know, why aren't you doing that? And I'm like, oh well I'm working in theater and I'm doing this and I you know work as a gaffer for this and that or whatever And I just felt so shitty, but all those dudes now, you know, thank god for facebook because they're like, whoa Man, you do like the coolest shit. What the fuck is this? What do you do? What do you do? I don't get it, you know They're all in not all of them and I'm not promoting any sort of hate or whatever But I'm just glad that I went through those experiences of really not knowing Because it allowed me to find something where you know, and I'm still searching I'm searching as much as everybody else But I can totally admit that, you know where these other people it's like they got to a point where they really believed in something And you know, sometimes it works and sometimes it fell apart and when it falls apart That's it's really a bummer, you know when somebody doesn't have That's obviously we see that a lot with clients guys coming in who built the dream that they were told to build was that they Went to college. They got a good job. They got a wife the second girl They slept with they had some kids and then she leaves them and takes half most of their shit And then they're suddenly like back to square one and because the because the dream was was an illusion Yeah, so Yeah, I mean, I think that's what we're always trying to do if we're anything Above just an approach coach if we're if we're in a if we're an actual seduction coach We're a masculinity coach is we're trying to show guys that this is a really fucking rare time on this planet And who knows how long it's gonna last You know, this is the time when you can travel for you can travel cheap. You can you can explore the world You're not bound by insane religious dogmas if you're living the right parts You know, you can explore you can seduce you can learn whatever you want you can take whatever Archetype or version of masculinity that you want. That's one of the great things I think about this post-modern world is that Yes, we most many of us didn't have masculine clear masculine archetypes growing up And so we're a bit lost But that's great because it means that we got to choose our own And I'm glad that I didn't have a strict father figure telling me exactly what what meant to be a man because it meant that To play with all these different ideas of what masculinity is and as a result I've had a way more interesting time had sex with way harder women and been to fucking weird places So it's a good time to be alive. Yeah, man What I want to know about it You you had brought this up is that in all of your sexual experience and relationships with people How has that changed? You know, like how has that changed on your your sisterhood your relationships with women your relationships With women who are friends and that women you're attracted to I think I think I've come to much more peace about the The depth and incomprehensibility of female sexuality Like I think I really railed against it like like most men do they try to compartmentalize what it is that a woman is They try to define her through her sexuality Um Most men have implanted in their brains the Madonna Hall complex of some sort where you know They judge women for their sexuality and I went through all that Uh, maybe not as extreme as someone who's you know brought up in a sense. How long they held on to it Yeah, and I think I'm I've finally come to peace with that and I accept that women are whatever they are as opposed to me trying to force them to be something that they're not and I accept that human relationships are fraught with so many um You know so much complications that that the the The dynamic of men and women is never going to be settled and just going to be at at peace although it can be in a flux of peace in the sense that um Yeah, these days. I think I'm just much more I'm much more solid as a man. Definitely I'm much clear about who I am so I have a lot less drama in my life But when somebody disappoints me or or there's a part of a woman that I just Still Like don't understand which just just continues to be the case. I think I'm a more okay with that um, I think I was quite rigid As a young guy in my 20s early 20s I was I was a very extreme Buddhist and I was also very rigid about morality not like a christian sense, but just in a kind of A Thing should be this way or they should be that way And I've come to understand that people are you can always trust people to be people You can you don't If any time you try to implant your views your ethics your morality on someone else you're going to be disappointed Yeah, so at the same time, I guess I've become much better at recognizing when someone male Or female is bringing drama or dishonesty into my life and I just can't engage with it um So yeah, I think as a guy Growing up you're going to go through periods where you're going to get ripped off fucked over heartbroken You know all of those things and that's good. You have to go through those Try not to go through them more than like twice in each variation Chew up your entire life. Maybe don't have children with that people as well. I would suggest but I don't know about children um And then recognize that it's not that these people are bad or that you're good It's that if if people are always warning you about how they're going to treat you They're always they're always giving you little hints about what's going to happen down the track And most people ignore those when they want to and that's when you end up chewing up decades of your life For the wrong sexual partner wrong business partner or whatever. This is actually something that a lot of people want to talk about You know, what does it always come down to? For like for the big big male struggle, you know, there's money sex um and I guess you could say like anger or something like that but yeah in those toxic relationships you know with We'll start with business because you you highlighted that one. Um What what were some of the things that really set you off about a characteristic and I'll tell you this for myself They always they're they kind of align. They're they're very transparent through everything You know, whether that's relationships or business or business relationships or intimate relationships What were some of those things that kind of like the red flags that that set you off there? I was when I when I was in china many years ago. I went to see this fortune teller and um He told me my fortune which was loosely translated by the the girl I was with that was something like You are a little famous now and you'll be more famous later You will be a good friend but a terrible husband and Do not do business with your best friends Omniscient words of the chinese guy and he was pretty much right. I was a bad husband. I'm definitely a good friend And I've certainly had some bad experiences doing business with friends and I'm a little bit more famous now as we can tell by the old What's going on here? Um, so Well, what I learned was that Uh, always watch people's actions never listen to their words. I think that's that's the primary thing So there's a lot of there's a lot of really good bullshit artists out there Um, there's a lot of people who are very good at convincing themselves. It's not so much. I don't think totally They don't even mean to do wrong, you know People are just very good at deleting themselves So I typically now in terms of all the business because I do do a lot of business with friends It's a nature of this business. Sure the people that I work with I live with I travel with all the time They have they're very close friends of mine And I've had a lot of guys come through this business who were great seduces exceptional ladies men And just not very reliable people So, yeah, I think that's really important to watch what watch people's actions So if someone like ignore everything that they say same goes with women like women will tell you all sorts of funny stuff Um, and if you listen carefully to it and only focus on the words you'll miss what they're actually trying to tell you You know the old we're not having sex tonight It's a sentence. Yeah, if I go home with you, I'm not gonna sleep with you Yeah, that kind of thing. Yeah, that sounds logical and that sounds right, but really she probably doesn't mean that there's that Otherwise she wouldn't come home with you But yeah, I think that's what I've really looked at and I and the other thing is I look at Um, because now that I'm in a position where I'm a little bit famous, you know Weird niche I get a lot of people coming to me all the time wanting to do things for me or help me or be involved Oh, man. Yeah Which is nice. Yeah, it's nice to have fans. I wish they were hot chicks instead of like, you know Yeah, I'm like, it's kind of like being a rock star, but not quite as good Um, no offense to any of the guys that came and talked to me. It's not your fault. You're not a hot chick It's my fault for being not being a rock star um So yeah, the other thing is I look very carefully at how do people treat other people not just the person that they try to impress So it's very easy to be sycophantic and and appear to be awesome in front of somebody But I really watch people carefully in terms of how do they treat a waiter? Um, how do they treat somebody? How would they treat someone that they perceive they have power over is something that I'm really interested in? Yeah, because that's where I notice nasty things coming out when someone, you know Treats the treats the hired help badly. I'm like I don't really want to deal with that person. Yeah I don't want people who decide that some people are worth more than others based on what job they have Or how much money they have or what race they are or whatever You know, I really, you know, it's interesting because you brought up a lot of stuff about like people coming to you with You know, hey, I'll help you out with this and that and the other thing When they start to find out who you are what's interesting again You gotta you gotta see how those people have a relationship with the world and especially with women too, you know, um And in categorizing the worst thing that you can do because that's what I hate, you know That's one of the behavioral traits that I really hate to see but again the system is not the truth But we need it. We need a little, you know, nature doesn't need science It doesn't need science to be nature, but man needs science to understand it But you know, when I see people like really categorizing, um, you know women friends People that you do business with when they, um You know talk about, you know, let's say being ripped off a lot or being abused a lot or something like that There's there's part of them and how they have that relationship that It just takes a little bit of a closer look because For myself, man, I've had tons of bad relationships. They're all my fault, right? You know, I've I've I've been with people that You know, if you looked at them and me and both of us did some horrific shit Right, but that person could go be fine, you know, maybe, you know in another realm or with another person or whatever And I can too and I think that's what men or men and women need to know about their Their failure and personal evolution, you know, even being a social misfit kid you you do a lot of stupid shit But if you can learn to own that you can transcend into Uh, you know who you really are or the or the beauty behind that, you know The same thing that makes you want to do a bunch of blow and fuck chicks and get a bunch of hookers or whatever it is Or whatever the social stigma is for bad Is probably the same thing which is tapped into your success and if you can stop reacting and learn to bounce with it And build a relationship with it. You can come to the greatness that is yourself And when I see people in that battle, I guess that's more more it when I see people still in that battle It's like that's where the flag goes up of like Ah You know I I can't let A lot of myself connect with you right now just because um You know shit, man. I I don't like my life when I'm in that mode, you know And uh in in people in your environment and influences so much about you and and what gives the true value of life It doesn't and you know as you get older you start recognizing that your life is finite I think when you're you know young man, you don't really conceptualize that and as you get older you start going Okay, yeah, I'm not here forever And what am I doing with with every of the last moments that I have whether there's another five or 60 years of them um Yeah, I guess i'm not tolerant anymore of of people who waste my time people who lie to me um And people who would just dishonest for themselves It's not that I have anything against anybody's right to live their lives however the fuck they want but I think we we often people chew up an immense amount of their life for somebody else Um, whether that's their their parents idea of what they should have been a shitty relationship A job that they fucking hate that that strips their soul Um, or just you know, they're they're even their best friend that's always been there But that but is actually someone who's just always taking from them Um, you know all of these insidious little relationships where people are people and things are stealing your time and not giving something back that's worthwhile um And I think that's a a really important thing that that everybody in the planet if you're gonna have any kind of Successful or happy life you have to realize where is the theft coming from? Yeah, and and move over to where the trade's happening. Yeah, so I mean I'm You know, I'm I'm the best most loyal generous friend when I'm with people that give it back Um, and you know when I'm with a woman Whether whether short term long term whatever it is I try to make sure that we are both trading and and benefiting immensely from this that I'm not just trying to strip something or take something out of her or that or that I'm not falling victim to her neediness and Um hysteria or or validation seeking tendencies or whatever the things that previously in the past Or I was I certainly did invest a lot of time in Um, and the sooner you figure that out where are you bleeding time energy resources to people who who are just taking it Then soon you're gonna be able to stop those gaps and actually start to Link up with people who resonate at a level where you're improving each other's lives Yeah, cool. Cool. Um, you talked about slowing down Where's the james marshal lifestyle, you know at today, you know, how's it how's it different? How's it transformed? I think it's an important thing, you know guys don't Yeah, I saw it Slowing down but really I mean when I look at my statistics, I've I've lived in 14 countries every year now for the last three years I'm doing I'm actually doing a lot more workshops and a lot more traveling than I ever have um I think that's the other thing coming out of the jungle that even though On on paper this this last year has been the hardest Most intense work wise complicated year that I've had It's felt not really easy because I think i'm just more at ease and flow with things. Um, but Having said that I do intend next year to only live in four countries Just settling down a little bit. Yeah, it's gonna get myself a nice little place in the Center of four major awesome places instead of 15 Um, yeah, I mean I want to I want to spend some more time in some of these places Um And get some more roots in terms of I've got I've got a great martial arts teacher here in Budapest I'm gonna spend some more time in South America um You know, I've got a great girl that I'm smitten with in Serbia There's there's different things where I'm like, okay, I want to sort of orbit my life in a bit more of a Well, you know, not a normal way, but just a little bit slower Um, and you know, I'm not gonna be doing this forever this this lifestyle of careering around the world doing this It at some point it'll just change. I don't I don't know. I'm not playing for there'll be a time when I'm just like cool All right, that's enough. I'm gonna go and do something else now Um, so I'm warning to all you guys who want to actually come on these wild journeys with me I can't do it forever. I know people think yeah, he's just saying that I'm like I really I won't So, you know, I don't know another few years of Smashing on the world and who knows what's gonna happen. I don't know. I don't know how you do it man I mean, I was just talking about this with uh nick nick sparks. He's a is another teacher. He's like man And he's he's like 30 or something, you know, like 31 And he's like, I'm over it. I can't do it. I I do a workshop once a month, but um And that's enough man, you know, and I don't do it for 10 days But let me get into this like do you feel that the workshop the the 10 day immersion is really Like where do you see men's journeys really happening? I mean for myself? I see A workshop is very important, you know, you learn to interact you interact with different people You can see somebody do stuff you get direct feedback which cannot happen anywhere else But in their transformation of self I see that happening three months six months nine months later and in evolving in this different way And so you having such a uh influx of clients, you know coming through and I know you stay in touch with them Where do you see that real change happening with them? Yeah, you're right. It's the the workshop is a catalyst and In my opinion, I mean I used to do weekend workshops a long time ago And for me, it wasn't enough time to get totally kind of proper catalyst Change happening. So that's why we do seven ten day stuff workshops with very very, you know high intensity and and basically, you know personalized one-on-one stuff going on Yeah, as you said, that's where that's where it's like It is a compressed initiation But the true unfolding of that comes when they go back into their real lives And then have to integrate that and so yeah the changes that we see They're instant in the sense that guys are suddenly getting laid. They're exploding through their realities. They're You know, they're feeling confident. They're doing stuff that they've never done before But for that to settle and become something that they're at ease with that does take three six nine months Um, what we've noticed the guys who do that the very best are the ones who stay in touch with each other Right. They maintain the brotherhood that they've even if they live on other sides of the world doesn't matter Um, and that they uh that they continue to go on their own personal journey So we've noticed a lot of the guys say who've done your tour or our residentials They then link up in pairs or threes and then you know once a month once every couple months They go on a little of their adventure of their own and they they keep that kind of same ramp spirit alive Um at the same time we we certainly subscribe that they need to Look at other areas of depth So I'm always suggesting to guys that they do attend a pastime meditation course Or they get into some kind of spirituality or that they get into other dynamics for expression such as improvisation or theater or dance or You know different different creative outlets, especially for guys who often come from very very uh analytical fields such as engineering or accounting whatever that's very common with guys So I think what we're really trying to instill in people is the is the concept that that a workshop is not there to fix you It's at at very best. It's a catalyst for you to step on to your own to taking responsibility for your own personal journey and change Um, because at the end of the day you can have your limitations or you can have growth. You can't have both Um, you can have your excuses or you can have uh, you know Your expansion and your quest you can't have both and it's very very easy for anyone to to sit in their excuses limitations and become a big And there's very good evidence to support support most claims that you are a victim Um, because you know you were treated Yeah, I mean there's always plenty of evidence about I could I could have quite easily sat in victimhood my entire life Because I was brought up by a single mother in a poor household and blah blah blah Um, but I realized early on that I had to take responsibility for my change in growth Uh, otherwise I'd just stay in that one in that shitty town in that shitty reality So I think that's at the end of the day. That's that's the most powerful thing you can help somebody to to um express Because it's not No coach is there to fix anybody. No therapist can fix anybody. No No spiritual guru can fix anybody or they can do all the very best they can do is point you in the right direction Save you some trial and error. So you don't have to fuck around going this way in that way um Give you the motivation and and send you on your way That's what I think Just as you're talking it's making me think it's so crazy. I think about this a lot that Our careers You know what we have made money at and you've been doing it for a long time over 10 years, right? That you've been professionally 2007 so coming up. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So pretty much the same as me, you know, yeah it's it's so nuts that Our lifestyles now And it wasn't always this way, you know, at least for me a lot of it was like getting laid and all but In in teaching that and it's still about that But it's just like man if I can just be a good version of me And learn to interact that with people and and teach a network of people of how to do that That's my career. That's so fucking cool, you know, and I and I'm very passionate at it I work very hard at it and it's quality and all that sort of stuff But isn't that that's so cool like what you're talking about with slowing down You know, I I work all the time and I work all the time. I'm never not working But I'm not stressed out by it. I love it. You know, I love it You know, like you were talking about the workshop thing, you know, my whole thing is like take a workshop Let's do an online course for three six months. Whatever and let's take another workshop And let's make it affordable in those ways because what you're saying is it just a two three-day workshop it's so disrespectful to the whole idea of Socializing and sex or whatever, you know that in Disrespectful to the potential of that client that you have in front of them that, you know You want something that works and it's just so cool that we have that, you know It's just a very interesting thing It's also I also find it really stupid that a lot of companies do that because the guys that I have met and spent Seven to ten days with are the greatest connections you couldn't buy There's no there's no other there's no other industry in the world where I have connections to Royalty CEOs of major companies bondage masters, you know High-tech hackers everybody because I spent I take the time to get to know the world I don't just bring a man and go all right approach that shit get out I'm like, who are you by the way? And there's always something special and interesting about those people Yeah, I have the most bizarre and amazing army of Cool dudes around the world ready to do my bidding if I finally figure out what to do with more Yeah, no, man. I I could definitely I can tip my hat to that because that is uh It's so true. You just meet the most interesting people I mean, I remember when my parents were like, what the fuck are you doing and um, they didn't exactly say use those words but it was like Seems pretty happy and uh Somewhere and I don't know what's going on there But man, it's like it from from day one This was you know, like like eight nine years ago when I when I started teaching professionally I was like, wow, I never thought I'd meet these people. I never That like, you know, it would just be it'd be such a trip, you know So, uh, it takes you on this amazing adventure in fact even meeting you So, uh guys getting in contact with you and meeting you, uh, what's the best way to do that? Uh ambush me in whatever city I'm in guys do that a lot now. They're just like, oh, there you are Which is, you know, that's the best way to meet me. Um, well, you can always check out the natural lifestyles.com of course my website Um Guys wanting to train with me. It's getting harder. I I refuse to do more than two on one coaching So I'm not I'm not willing to do the mcdonalds and and just churn people through so I'm limited to coaching 100 guys a year Um, so if you want to coach with me, I suggest getting in touch with my team and you know Making it happen because it's not going to happen forever Um, of course, I'll be at the 21 convention, which is pretty much the only convention Summit that I speak at anymore Uh, except for one. I want just a comedy value. But this is the one in terms of like a a serious awesome convention Uh, so yeah, if there's any is there any spots left? I don't know if there's any seats left Make sure you guys come to Tampa, Florida. I'm not I don't I only get to america once a year So if you want to meet me in the states now's the time Um, I'm also running a workshop in new york, new york city. Yes, no Um, yeah, I've got two spots left on that. So if anyone wants to Join me for seven days in the big apple, which is uh, the best place in the world to pick up women I've I've pretty much been every really things. Wow I didn't want to think so because I'm it's I wanted to be east in europe But as I'm as I'm balancing all factors up. I think Um, yeah, I mean eastern europe has the top Second third fourth fifth places, but I pretty I'm pretty much decided that New york is the best place for a single man on the planet in In what way do you like so in new york? I I get it. There's a lot of chicks dating There's a lot of chicks that want to get laid and there's not a lot of men filling those shoes Yeah, so okay. Yeah So but what else well, I mean i'm not i'm not saying in terms of Like it's a crazy city I don't know if I could live there for much longer than like three months at a time But in terms of meeting a whole lot of awesome smart Intellectual spot chicks who are desperate for men because uh, you know most of them are either gay or Wanker bankers or too busy with their own careers to talk to girls It's a great and it's a great place to train Because you just get such a Small bars though small bars. Yeah in small bars is where people get laid So Yeah, I'll be doing that and then I'm Back to europe and then back to australia to you know Go and see me mom and sit on the beach for a couple months and then I'll start it all again next year So yeah, that's my plan if you want to get in touch with me Yeah, check out my site because it always says where I am in the world. I don't know yet But when I know it goes on the website Very good, man. Cool stuff. Uh any final messages on you know life Love being the better man the ideal Oh, that all sounds great all of that stuff do it It never ends it just never ends gentlemen. So, you know, you just once you get on that on that awesome treadmill of self-discovery Um, don't don't think that you're going to to achieve something specific You're going to get all sorts of stuff and the deeper you go down the rabbit hole the more extreme experience the highs the lows Um, and I personally think there's no other Reason to be alive. It's like yeah, you can either have the sedentary mediocre life that was given to you Which is probably safe. Although it's probably not safe. Actually, it's probably all going to collapse soon. Anyway, so In the meantime, I think as you said earlier, like the best thing you can do in life is to be I don't want to say for yourself be be the expression of your like spirit at any given moment And if that if the inside you is a yearning That's that's pulling you towards not necessarily towards us but towards Something of that nature then you must follow it. It's like otherwise you're just going to live in regret And that's the only thing to be afraid of is living in regret cool Awesome great words of advice. We'll end on there James Marshall all the way from from the past you and Budapest Yes, I am for now. I'll be going tomorrow. I'll be somewhere else. But yes Great great city and uh, hey man. We'll see in Tampa. Yeah, I can wait to see if I man It's gonna be it's been gonna be good to hang out again. Yeah, you get to meet my son Get to meet my get to meet my woman. Oh, yeah. Yeah, good times. It'll be good times. All right Later