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So it's a short study and the title of the study says muscle fiber Hypertrophy in response to six weeks of high volume resistance training and trained young men is largely attributed To circle plasma hypertrophy. So the growth that they got and that six weeks of high volume a Lot of it most of it was circle plasmic Transients opposed to what hypertrophy? Like actual muscle fiber hypertrophy Okay, so it was the the size that they got the increased muscle volume a lot of it was really that pump Kind of effect that they got not the not the temporary pump, but rather the you know what builds up. Do you think they measure them? Flaccid or aired up flaccid they do I don't even know if that's a word for muscle Can I still use flaccid for that Doug? Like you can do whatever you want Adam. Well, I know I can My point is is it is it correct versus erection muscle. Yeah arms. Yeah. No, no, it was it wasn't it wasn't the transient aspect So it was afterwards. Okay. Yeah, and this is cool because I mean some of the bro science out there's you know I mean see obviously bodybuilders train very differently from power lifters both have a tremendous amount of muscle on their bodies Bodybuilders obviously more muscle on their bodies, but less strength So it just proves that you know, there is a valid validity to training that way just like we knew already Yeah, totally so flat the definition of flaccid I can use it. I'm done of Yeah, it looks pretty good. Let's see. It says soft and hanging loosely or limply. Yeah, especially so as to look or feel unpleasant It feels unpleasant Depressing we like that flat feeling. I don't like this sweater. It feels Take it off. It's unpleasant. But anyway This studies cool because it shows that there's a lot of validity to that You know increasing and what they do is they tested sarcoplasmic proteins and sarcoplasm in general And saw that they had some like muscle size Most most of the muscle size in that six week. Now you're bringing this up But this doesn't this is not different than what we were just discussing. I mean, this is pretty much confirming what we said Anyways, exactly. It's just cool to see studies where they're testing it specifically in confirming. Yeah, kind of you know What we've all all observed ourselves I wish there was a better way for me to explain what I would I talked about with you know The difference between strength training and low rep and how it how it seems to look different on the body It does it's more of a solid hard look when it's just pure strength and then dance and then the bodybuilder look is more of that Bubbly bubbly. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and it's funny because she that's the different like if you've ever seen a Powerlifter that's muscular and a bodybuilder. That's muscular. You there is a bit of a difference to their to the way They look some of it being genetics, but some of it's got to be well This is what's always funny You get some of those videos where it's like a strength competition and everybody always like picks the guy that like is huge And is like the most ripped looking. Yeah, and that's not always the case. No, it's not I mean, who's that box for that? That'd be a fun game to play actually I wonder how well the three of us would do if we'd like lined up like strength athletes and compete Yeah, like we all they're all deadlifting Let's say a competition and you had five different bodies Could we look and be able to predict the order they would if I knew what their training was like Come on. That's not I mean, I mean On how they look yeah boy that's that's hard that can be really hard. I don't know I feel like we could do pretty good. I know but you know, have you ever been like completely shocked? I've been shocked. Of course. I mean Mike Slemmy's an example of that It's so he looks like he looks athletic. He's one of the strongest people I've ever met. Yeah, he's he just looks like athletic guy Yeah, wouldn't he what he pulls over 600 has pulled over. Yeah at a body weight of 160 You know who else Jordan sides like that Jordan sides strong as hell. Yeah, those those two guys are very unassuming So I would definitely not win that if they were in the five and because their body types just don't look like I The one person that was most like that that I've ever met my entire life. I think I've talked about this girl I trained this she was a young gymnast. She was tiny. She was this little thing She was kind of built like a little gymnast, you know, but I mean, this is not this is not no joke I think she probably weighed 85 pounds that's who's tiny right she could bench press the wheels 45 yeah, and she would do pull-ups like with their legs out in front of her like like like this fast like it was like Like I'm pretending to do pull-ups. That's how she did it Did you see that article that Sean Baker? Posted the other day about the average weight of a female today. No, oh, yeah He put it look like it was I think the article is a year or two old But it was the average female's weight today is the same as a man's was in 1965 ish, I think it's not due to muscle, too, is it? Well, no, I don't think so. I just thought that was interesting Yeah, did you know that girl that? Women used to get their periods later back then than they do today Later as in later in life. Oh, yeah, it's been going young. Oh, they've been talking about that for a long time I think it has to do with the hormones and food isn't that what well food and also more body fat if a If a young girl has more body fat on her body, she'll she'll she'll become fertile or whatever earlier on although They are now there are big reports coming out on what they call phthalates am I saying that right Doug? The kids some of the chemicals you find in plastics and stuff and they're like, oh, these definitely have hormone disrupting You know properties and it's probably why sperm counts have been plummeting and man We're wide by the way and in modern society and develop societies sperm counts are going like this at a ridiculous, right? Oh, yeah, there it is right there. Yeah guys were small back in the 60s weren't they? Yeah Yeah, yeah, anyway pretty crazy stuff. I wonder what it was back then though Doug maybe you can look up to see what so back then is I mean because it's not that big of a deal if it's like A five-pound swing right like it seems that seems drastic to me, but maybe it's not like I don't know Do you know you know I don't but you know what's even crazier is if you combine this with the the strength like this take the strength tests test excuse me that they did and Male college students in that in those decades versus now, so they were much smaller and lighter Yeah, but way stronger. Yeah, I remember you you've shared this before their grip strength was like of like a 65 year old Yeah, yeah, oh, it's just pretty crazy now Although women's grip strength has not really changed much it was it's men's that have gone down Quite a bit so I don't know I got something crazy for you guys. Did you I know I showed you okay? I'm pretty sure I showed you I don't know if you saw it yet And if you haven't dug you got to pull it up so you can see it look up alter ego on Fox Oh, did you look at it yet? You've got to watch it. We got to play it This is the thing you explain right where they we play it Andrew You'll have to pause this break right here, but I want Sal to actually see this because it's crazy Okay, yeah, this is it's basically like a an American Idol Right, so avatar that does the present that does yeah, it's it's a it looks like it's a hologram of them Click on the trailer Doug if you if you can find yes, so they projected out on the stage. It looks like that But they they're all censored out with one of those suits that has like the tracking dots So that way they can like have this rendered character And they shared some of these clips behind scenes of these these kids talking right and just how much they love this Because they feel like they get all nervous when they're in front of other people and they have all this social anxiety They don't feel like people are judging them and you know, this is how I predict that we're gonna justify this So this is an actual performance. That's not a trailer, but that's fine. Let's watch this Yeah, give him a little clip of a duck so you can see it see here. Yeah Yeah, I get the I get the picture crazy, right so but can the can the audience actually see that They can't see her well what I'm saying is like so the the projected image is it projected or is this just like you know Overlaid for the video. Okay. That's an interesting question It's probably a hologram, but honestly the audience doesn't matter because there's millions of people watching on TV, right? That's the big deal. Yeah, we know that are the like Justin's point is the audience looking at nothing Yeah, but like they're just faking like oh like reacting to something. It's not even there So here's what this pulls up for me is that because whenever they have shows like this like American Idol did this Brilliant brilliant format. They put out these kids Talented but because you follow them along from their tryouts to the finals to whatever you Automatically turn them into a star. You want to buy their albums or whatever if you're watching this show and what you're doing now Is you're you watching the avatar and you're you're you're connected to the avatar? That's performing. Yeah, what they're literally doing is making the avatar the star and the celebrity Right, so then you can sell that right you merchandise it now Here's my question who owns the avatar likeness. Well, the show does probably box. Yeah, well, that's the same with American Idol That's what was so tough about a lot of them that would make it through They had these contracts were like they basically own like no way Five of their album. Well, hold on. Whoa. Whoa. Hold on a second. Yes, but I didn't know that but it's not a forever contract So it's a pretty airtight contract Okay, so like Kelly Clarkson, right? Who's one of the last big names I think it was like three albums or something took her to get out of your face What do you mean, of course? Well, does that make sense if you sign up for the show? That's gonna put you all this promotion put you out there or whatever you sign a contract that says if you win You do this many albums with us. You'll make this much Well, I just figured that's one of the kickers of the if they actually win the damn thing I mean they're getting all the views the advertising and money that's coming from that They're also gonna get their greedy fingers in the actual I mean it makes sense when you say that hold on a second. Here's my move. I didn't even know but here's my question Yeah, Kelly Clarkson, let's say she wins. She you know, she won American Idol. She crush She's really good really talented. She had to do three albums with them before she go off on her own Yeah, this is a fake avatar Yeah, does Fox own that forever because you can't own someone's likeness for the rest of life or maybe you can But no, I guess the question would be who created the avatar did Fox create it or did the did the Fox of course They're not gonna you don't think they allowed them to build their character. I imagine they built their character Yeah, but I would imagine that though that the avatar Doug are you searching about the Kelly Clarkson thing because I'm really curious to know how much money they got from her because she Went she went real big and she's done several albums now. Yeah, so I want to know How much money they have to sign a contract to do albums and then tour and they all tour together So I think it's like the five or ten finalists from from American Idol would go on tour And everybody would make a certain amount of money Obviously the closer you are to winning the more money you'd get or something like that believe that was in their contract Because I mean if that's the case talk about a win all the way around for them Yeah, they really they crush on the obviously And then they tie them like there's no risk for them. No, and can you imagine? Can you think of a better way to? Advertise and pump up a new album coming out when you're emotionally invested in this right, right? But but again back to the avatar. Okay, because it's a fake image Do they own it forever in other words this girl signs a contract with them for three albums? And then she's off on her own They still imagine they would and then she would just have to recreate herself or something else, right? No, there's got to be some sort of or else why you're you're a greedy Music executive, you don't think that you're gonna try and lock that okay But hold on let's go on the other end of that greedy music executive would these people even ever do this right? Without without this opportunity would you find out so it's even more dramatic than that what it was a seven record deal Dude seven record. Are you serious? 16 years later. She was finally able to get out of the deal 16 years. Yes, when she released her seventh album You know what's crazy about that is what is the average amount of albums that a An artist yeah, maybe three maybe two Yeah, it's like like name an artist that you're a huge fan of that has seven albums that you even know I know that's crazy. You have to work your butt off. Maybe like we're not chill And so how much does it say how much of the seven albums that like they get like I'm not seeing that because I mean I wonder if it she has like the deal is you have to make seven Yeah, you only make 5% of it or does she like knows in Simon Cowell own part of? Oh, yeah, he's I think he's invested in it Yeah, yeah as a board member again put yourself in Kelly Clarkson shoes or whatever would they ever here you are you want to be Yeah, a professional singer you want to be a music artist the opportunities are so yeah, they're argument is you'll never get found Otherwise exactly, and then you're like I'll try out for the show. They're like you're on here's the contract Do you want it or not you're gonna say yes now? Do you think that is the same thing? Let's say someone who came in fourth place, right? They're eliminated and they so they didn't just go on. Yeah, they still on their right They do for for the tour They have to do the tour and I believe at a certain level you also have to do like a American Idol because how much would that suck is if you you don't even win Adam Lambert was in he didn't win right now. Yeah, so they still on his own although I would so here's the way I would look at it It might even be better to be like 10th place not have such a hard contract But then get the visibility yeah and be able to do because like Adam Lambert got second Let's be honest. Yeah, he was first. He crushed that if you ever watch that season There's a guy from Santa Cruz that was like a rock singer or whatever and he was really good But he was like down. I don't know if he was like five or six release or something But yeah, I think he's but so they probably own his stuff, too, which is total bummer. Yeah. Yeah It's it's in my opinion. It's one of the smartest marketing machines of all time because when you feel Because I I don't I watch the first maybe a few seasons you watch them from beginning to end you are emotionally invested You want them to succeed you want to buy their album just to support them Now we took this conversation a whole different direction than I thought I just think it's interesting This is just one more step in the direction of us being plugged in That's what I think yeah like being able to create a fake version of yourself and Then that like the interview clips that I saw these they were talking about these kids You can see how relieved they were and just how how great it is for them to be able to have this avatar Go out and be well them in terms of the brilliance of that So you've seen this with the gorillas, right? Yes, so they they were kind of the first to pioneer this whole like Avatar version of themselves and then tour so it'd be interesting to see now based on technology whether that's at like they Could have these holographic images of them They could actually like pretend to play on stage and just literally maybe play backstage or just even just play You know the music over the speakers and I mean be there well You could make the case that even before them was a blue man group of course Yeah, I mean because they were the first to be able to do that right there interchangeable, right? Isn't there like the ton of different blue man that go in there and play for the group think about it from a business perspective Oh, it's brilliant. It's brilliant because what's one of the downsides of that kind of success getting recognized You can't live your normal life if you're the gorillas people even know what you look like unless you're a super hardcore fan Yeah, so you just hang out so that's my opinion on all this It's gonna put such a positive spin on Being in the virtual world and not being yourself out in public that it's just gonna get us one step closer to this whole Already player one dude. Yeah, it's it's getting closer. That's what reminding me of ready. Yeah Yeah 100% remind that too. I mean, I think they nailed that. I think it's really going that direction I finally watched the other one That's like that that use you brought up on the show like a month or two ago. You saw in theater I just saw it on TV free man. Oh, I didn't see that yet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's so good. Right. Yeah, great movie Everybody says it's really good. I like well similar concept of talking to all this like so he's trapped in of in a video game Yeah, so similar type of concept speaking of shows and stuff season three of you is out Don't ruin it for me. I haven't seen it yet You know what they do so well is they they create and I don't this isn't gonna ruin anything because it's like this in the first two seasons you have maniacal Crazy murderers. These are literally like psychopaths psychopaths and somehow they're likable They do such a good job writing it. Yeah that you like them even though they're completely Terrible murdering people like how they're mine. What great writing. Yeah Yeah, I'm just gonna we're watching it and you remember the end of the last season, right? Yeah How she's like I'm pregnant or whatever So it's this whole interesting the first few episodes are kind of you know, yeah now they're like the dynamic deal It's interesting. Oh, bro. That's really yeah, don't ruin it for now I wanted I wanted to watch it But the only reason why I didn't watch it last night was my cue popped up Succession which is like one of my favorite shows right now to you watch that one. Yeah, man TV just gets good in October I guess I don't I guess I never really paid the dry spell now So we got way too many things. I mean is that I mean does anyone know like is that cuz it gets cold? Well, no, I think I think just in the summer. There's way less television being watched at summertime Yeah, you're out you're on vacation stuff like that So your best shows probably aren't typically in the summer You probably wait till schools back in and everybody's at home watching TV and around right? I imagine that's yeah I wonder that if there's a bunch of delays in production and then all of a sudden now It's kind of catching up and so now all these major productions are finally kind of pushing through well Well in you they refer to COVID so I know they were filming it They obviously film season three during this whole. Oh, yeah, they did that in billions, too Yeah, most of shows now are bringing it up or you see them wearing masks and it's speaking of Netflix Did you hear that there were I guess some or people organizing trying to lie? Yes, they actually get them to take down Dave She actually fired her I was I was wondering if they were gonna do that or not they fired the organizer Yeah, yeah, cuz they were gonna do like a wow like a strike Yeah, they're trying to do a mass walkout right and about you know trying to say that Dave Chappelle's standup was Transphobic, yeah, and they were all trying to do this big walkout on Netflix to get them to pull it off And I'm so glad that they didn't I'm glad they stood their ground at least they're consistent because you guys remember the hoopla over Cuties that by the way, I find it interesting that you had a bunch of employees ready to quit over Dave Chappelle's comedy show But they have cuties up there, which is Terrible, I mean it's terrible. It's children. Yeah, and nobody said nothing I know there was definitely some backlash from other people They stood their ground fine, but at least they're consistent and they did it with with the with Chappelle Yeah, I decided not to pull it down. So as long as you're consistent. I don't have a problem. Yeah It's when the inconsistency happens. I get super, you know, I guess I'm just gonna make you excited. So Oh, okay. What is it? I know how like you really got into like the Twilight series Right guess what he's Batman now. What the same guy Rob Patterson. He's Batman. Yeah, dude. You're team Edward, right? So this should like fit right in your they made him Batman. Yeah Weird it's weird choice as it just gets the generation coming up right in a face. Hold on a second Let's do this play a little devil's advocate. Okay, do you guys remember the first Batman in in theaters when we were kids That went crazy Michael was a Keaton Michael Keaton Okay, everybody had a problem with Michael Keaton up into that point. He was mr. Mom comedian kind of goofy guy He arguably played one of the best Batman's he really did the first one. He did a good job and it crushed. It was a blockbuster, right? Yeah, Ben Affleck everybody made fun of he actually did a decent Batman terrible. I thought he would get a decent Val Kilmer, right? They say Val Kilmer was the worst and then I think Ben Affleck was a second to worse I don't think he was as bad as people thought as people said he would be In my opinion. So who knows, you know, we can't trust your Hey, this one's interesting. It's like It's like they're definitely trying to like, you know revitalize the whole franchise and like get it back out there But I'm I have no idea where it's gonna go Are they gonna keep it dark because I hate it when it looks kind of dark. Yeah, okay So it's the thing is I it actually looks not bad like it doesn't look too bad I'm just curious to see with him playing Batman what that's gonna be like. That's cool I like the bed. I think of all the comic book movies Batman is the best by far Oh, yeah, Joker that whole lineup is that man rules. Yeah by far. Are you gonna share with the audience your rollerblading accident? Tell him bro. I know people are watching I know extreme sports and you guys can see the little it looks like a big pimple at first That's why I didn't say anything No, I guess you had a big roller-blading So we were we were obviously up and truckie and we have the PRX setup and I put the dip bar on there And I got close to the cage because I wanted it to be my hands to be closer together So the dip parallel dip bars go like this, right? So they start out here like a V wide and then they get closer I want them close together and I wanted resistance. So I added resistance with the band Which actually works tremendous now the problem is obviously when you get pulled down by your upper body It wants to pull your body forward So the first rep I was like think and I just hit my head on the Are we gonna try and sue PRX? Speaking of PRX, I haven't worked out in my cage at home in a long time So I have just a regular traditional squat cage or whatever. Yeah, and but for the and for the longest time now I've been just using the PRX cages in here because you guys know that my my baby son's room is above the garage and He's napping. I ain't gonna do it. I'll wake him up. So I worked out. I've been working out here the PRX cages are Now I see the contrast the most stable cages have ever used. Oh, they're awesome You know the most stable the irony of that that was the one thing I was concerned about 100% when we first were looking at doing I was like, oh man into the wall like that is it gonna fill they are they're way more solid They're the most stable cages I've ever used and I've used power. Okay, I've used them all and we have terrible walls, too In this studio to work with fake wall. No. Yeah, it's awful and it's still holding super strong But yeah, I'm conflicted right now because I have like one of the the older model Racks that just was able to fit in my other house and now it's like I have it kind of sitting there I haven't like assembled it in the new house yet because I'm just like dude like I'm spoiled coming in here and there's like the nice tall racks with the With the pull-up bars and all the different grips. Oh, it doesn't have that one. No, it's the old one That's just like there's no standard bar on the top. Yeah. Oh, so I was like, dude Do I sell this do I get you know upgrade and get like new stuff and I'm like So I'm probably gonna upgrade guys. Well, what now hold on you cuz you got a big garage What if you did one on your side? So you have the new one and the older ones double enough Yeah, so your wife and you could work out at the same time if you want because that probably happens all the time You guys don't work out together. I mean Sometimes but like totally randomly it happens for play dude I mean we do but I it's I never get a good workout anymore now that we have max if that means it's a family workout, right? So it's just like yeah, and he just he'll come running up to you. So I can't do anything. Oh, man. So you're pressing. Yeah Yeah, yeah, so hell no yeah anytime that he's in the garage unless I put him in the truck bed Sometimes I do that. Yeah, where I stick them make it like a playpin Oh, yeah, so let him run around the back of the truck throw a bunch of toys in there Let him run around the truck bed while we work that works out dude speaking of the kids I don't think I've talked about this on the show. So Jessica has been teaching Our baby just so you know a few sign language. So good, okay? So he's and he's hilarious because he's picking up on it. He's telling dirty jokes. Oh, no So she's taught him like five or six signs. Yeah So he's so this right here this right here means he wants Goes into the cave. This means breast milk, right? Yeah, but and he that's like his favorite thing in the world So he gets super excited and he's like No matter what And we're just oh dude, we're just cracking up like it doesn't matter what it is like what do you want? The what do you want her alias? She just fed you like calm down, but you know what? I think it's done I think it's accelerated his Like his desire to speak to yeah, because now he'll try and say a word along when he's getting attention And then he can kind of like yeah express himself. It's just cool because now he communicates with us So now I see it'll be interesting as he gets older. I think I told you off air We were talking that you know, I have this theory that the the terrible twos Which normally land somewhere between two and three and a half right for most parents I Willing to bet that a lot of that has to do with their inability to communicate They're right at that. That's that's that transition when they're they're starting they can't like verbalize their feelings Yeah, they could say a couple words. They're sort of maybe piece two or three together But they can't really articulate how they're feeling or thinking all the time But yet they know they can speak and so just imagine as an adult how frustration Yeah, I imagine that would be really frustrating even as an adult So imagine being a kid and you you know what you want But then you can't quite communicate it or say it and I would guess that that probably So it'd be interesting to see if the sign language helps bridge that gap And so maybe you won't get that they're terrible twos as much I wish we would have started that because he gets frustrated now and it cracks me up It's actually it's bad because I laugh when he gets frustrated because he's cute So he's like he'll kick his legs. Oh, and I'll just crack up and I think that makes it more frustrating His little personality so and I remember this with the older kids to you right around a year They start to do like their personality really starts to come out and he's just a he's like a he loves humor And he looks he's like such a little clown. He's very affectionate but like we were shopping at the mall this weekend and You know we're hanging out and I'm holding him and I take my mask off And I kiss him kiss him kiss him kiss him and then he does this he goes like this with his hand And I stop and he pulls my mask over my face like stop kiss Is Jessica still blending up like some steak and stuff for him to she does so the primary dish that she makes is We'll get the butcher box grass-fed Tritip she'll cook it and then she'll cut it and blend it and then she'll blend it with Sweet potatoes and asparagus or other vegetables and add a little bit of olive oil and he just goes crazy with it Yeah, he absolutely loves it's like his favorite dish I finally got ever to eat some broccoli We did like this dish with the steak tips like a teriyaki kind of a dish of course, you know cuz it's like sugar What is teriyaki it just drizzled sugar, but it was really good dude I highly suggest you do what kind of tips the steak tips. Yeah, you cook those like a medium You can order that at butcher box to yeah You should do you grill them or do you put them in the grill them first and then like chopped it up and then now Do you know do you know what in the bowl with rice? Do you know what kind of cut the tips come from do you guys know? Doug you normally are on top of this stuff near the butt probably I'm just gonna guess no I mean either I know they're tip. They're typically really tasty, right? No, they're real tasty tender I it's so funny you guys we all we almost did I went and barbecued after we had such a terrible experience with the The chef that I had come up to barbecue for us where we're up in Truckee I when I got like when I got back I barbecued this weekend the same thing too. I was like I need some good barbecue So I made the baby back ribs and what do you guys do the way you do the ribs was so much better Yeah, I love the way you do it what do you guys do when it's like raining and stuff You don't grill so you just do more stuff in the oven I still grow you do because we have we have a California room so it didn't rain till later But yeah, I actually got caught a certain rain I was trying to catch up this weekend and all these like you know little projects and things I promised the kids that I'd be a part of like Building shelves and stuff for Ethan then outside I'm like mixing concrete and doing all this for this new tetherball pole because we left some of these things like the The trampoline we just left. I'm like I'm not moving this to the new place Dude, it was just like I would have to break the whole thing down Reassemble a bow. I'm like, I'll just get a new one once we get to the place. I haven't done that yet But like the tetherball Everett would literally just be out there for like four or five hours just Like he was just like making a point like it was somebody at school like Knuckles just bleeding dude, and so I'm like I got to get this going again because it's a good outlet for his anger So I worked on that all week I got that all set up for you should put the so you you should put the trampoline in the ground Yeah, I've seen that I've seen Easy to cover you can easy to cover in the winter time then you just throw some plywood over the top They make a deck dig it out. Oh, you just dig a hole You dig a hole and you put it to put it in the hole so that it's so that the top of the trampolines level with the ground Really so it's great if they miss and they fall they just fall on the ground They don't fall off what you see is sometimes with kids with it Don't trampolines have like a high injury rate or am I tripping? Oh, yeah for sure But the thing is they're learning all these things at their gymnastic Course and so they can do things I wouldn't even have thought of like it's just insane watching them now doing these Brannies and flips and like, you know front back front back. I've been meaning to ask you I'm glad you brought that up I've been mean that because you're obviously ahead of me with the whole gymnastic thing I just got maxed into it. I we were there this weekend and I was noticing that You you would think or I at least I would think that That the boys would be more rough and tumble and adventurous with climbing and jumping So that the girls are and I don't know if that's the because of the age because I'm talking about yeah The two to four-year-old range or whatever the Well, and I thought at first I thought it was max. I thought oh, he's just not gonna be a real physical kid You know I'm saying he's not really like aggressively doing crazy stuff yet Leaping off things or climbing the rope on his own or the ladder But then there was a full class probably 20 kids in there And it was that I noticed that there's girls that are the same age or even a little bit younger They were hanging on the monkey bar and kicking their feet up and then climbing the rope by themselves And it was all the boys that weren't doing now Were they all beginners together or because sometimes people put their kids Yeah, could you know even ask one of the girls because I told her I said man that one little girl She must have been doing this for a long time or she must be older than what she looks Katrina was no I asked her she goes. She's younger than Max. She's only two and I'm like, oh my god She was doing all kind of balancing on one leg and just a lot of things that he's he kind of like we take him in there And it's just like free play man You know saying it's like free play around a bunch of kids and you know They try and keep them organized where they kind of go in this like circle and do all the obstacles together Yeah, and you know, he'll be like he'll start it Like take a right and just leave the class and go do it I always love watching them when they first start playing them They start playing a sport and you'll see them like I remember my son was real little I don't remember how he was like six or something. They're playing soccer and he'll just stop and start playing with the grass Yeah, yeah, you gotta play. Oh, yeah, the kids was like walk off the field go do something The game so you know blade of grass and like, you know In the middle of the game like My mind that's where that's before I like pulled myself back like hey, dude, like this is your stuff Like I had to just like back off, you know, that's why they're in gymnastics But like I was like Hey, I was gonna are you guys watching this new like arms race that seems to be happening now with China Yes, Russia first, right hypersonic missile now. We saw a display from China The Yeah, so intercontinental ballistic missiles what they typically were is they were missiles that would launch up into basically the The you know outer range of the atmosphere or into space fly and then come down onto a country and this was like a big worry because The US could launch missiles from the homeland and hit the Soviet Union and vice versa and everybody freaked out Well, the defenses have been built Theoretically against those kind of missiles that come in and enter the atmosphere. They know when they're gonna happen or whatever, right? So what they've developed are these low altitude flying Hypersonic missiles and they fly so fast. He's got no defense. You can't do shit. There's nothing you could do Yeah, like 21,000 miles an hour just fly in and they're a damn thing you can do no patriot missiles You're gonna stop that. No, nothing's fast enough to do it So the US has our own hypersonic missiles then Russia did their own kind of and they show everybody So we can do China just long launched one and I guess it took us by surprise because they're more advanced Oh, is that the video that you sent over to our group thread? Oh, I didn't get a chance to really read it I'm the only one concerned apparently Well, dude, we need to come up with the death ray. That's Obvious next move. You know what though? Here's the thing the if we learn anything from the Cold War It's that the what seems to be the best predictor of peace is the threat of mutual destruction Right because if the Soviet Union and the US didn't have nukes, I would bet everything that we would have gone to war I would 100% yep, but they never did because it's like what are you gonna do like we're gonna launch They're gonna launch everybody dies like nobody wins So I feel like you know, that's still it's when one country has a tremendous advantage That there becomes a risk because then they feel like they can flex, you know But you know hypersonic missiles everybody's putting them together. Yeah, everybody's sort of getting in line So we'll see You guys getting ready for Halloween and everything with the kids Oh, yeah, I did I get in like this weird cuz my kids always have really Uniquely weird ideas for Halloween costume. I'm like dude. This is not gonna work out for you This is such an obscure Idea like nobody knows what you are Like a random character like some Nickelodeon cartoons like like Newsy like guy And then the other one's like, you know, like some plague doctor outfit thing. I love that dude. It's so great Like what are you some weird like steampunk nerds? Like what like nobody gets this, you know, you're 11. You're eight Yeah, like do something normal be a spider-man Batman be like a karate guy or like, yeah I Know the army man football player something like recognizable Costumes have come a long way because when I when we were kids Do you guys remember wearing the the costumes that your mom would buy at the grocery store and I have the plastic mask and Like sheet that would go my mom always made it. We made our costumes Yeah, I kept it going for even adulthood most of most all my whole you had good costumes in if they're made Yeah, yeah, I try I know my mom would go to the grocery store and be like, what do you want to be spider-man? Okay, and it was literally for people to know Spider-man jammies and it's like the gas station out there. It's literally a plastic cover You put over your normal clothes and a plastic mask that would your breath would condense in it And by the time you've gone three out of the slender and there's 15 other kids that look just like you And I'm walking around this plastic like down I don't know I don't know what we're gonna do for it So we took Max actually this weekend we went to we went to a Halloween store and it was pretty scared Yeah, like it was funny how he got scared like he really wanted to go in because it looked super interesting to him and He wouldn't let go of my hand But he wanted to go through all the aisles and he wanted to look at everything But he was like a death grip on my hand at the front. They had this like Zombie and skeleton like that was making noises and turning and they would only do that every once in a while And I guess when we came in it wasn't going off So it didn't get him right but we were coming around the store And he could hear it like an aisle way and you see him kind of look to the side And then he sees it moving and he like jerked on my hand and like sprints out the door We run out the door and he's like looking back the whole time. Yeah, they're gonna come after us So this is such a definitive difference like so when you're younger like you love scaring little kids You're like ha ha ha gotcha now like you have a little kid and you're like taking them to like some like house For trick-or-treating and there's always that one like psychotic asshole guy, right? He's like sitting with this like pumpkin head on and just like totally still and lifeless and the poor kids like going to grab things And like I seriously like one of my kids almost like pee his pants I wanted to punch this guy My buddies and I are so these guys right here. I want to kill my best friend dude I will end you my best friend. This is obviously before we all had kids We all have kids now right so we haven't done it since we've had kids But before we had kids he always used to do his whole house up and he has this really cool like He has he's like iron gate doors that you can't see through that you open up And it's like I don't know what do you call those like front front pantry type areas or whatever like in the front of a house You know, but you could sit out there and it's it's completely fenced. Oh, yeah, but like an enclosed patio I don't know there's like a term what you don't I mean though, right? So it's an enclosed patio and in there he would go all out like a little haunted house Oh, yeah fog machine going there would always be someone on the rocker that looks like they're dead And they're really not and we would all hide in different places So when the kids come up and we would we had walkie-talkies and everything so we would know when a group of like kids We're coming always to get out of here, so I would have killed you gave nightmares for like two years No, he's right So I deal this when my daughter was probably for I was taking her trick-or-treating and I she would want me to hold her because By this point by this time she's for and she knows there's gonna be some scary stuff There was a haunted house and we're walking up to it and I can see there's a guy in a gorilla costume Who's standing on the roof? Who's gonna jump down and scare kids? Yeah, and I literally out loud. Don't you dare? I have my four-year-old daughter. I'll throw you off that roof and he's like waves at me. Okay Because I swear to God I would have grabbed him by his mask and throw him off Yeah, dude, yeah, so we'll see we'll see what yeah I don't think we do it now because now I see my poor son, you know I'm saying when you see that imagine an adult One thing to get like the teenagers like I'm off that that's yeah Kids but like the little kids well, that's the quote That's I think I mean we try to do that right you try to get the kids that were in that like 10 to 13 range It's too young 13 and up. He's gonna shadow if you want tens not to Fair game. Yeah Ten is fair game, bro. Yeah, ten. You're probably walking around by yourself with or with your older My cut is like eight and below. That's yeah, I feel like what grade are you in it eight years old? What grade are you in? Yes Kissing girls by that. Hey, hold on a second. You kiss girls. You kiss girls. You get scared. Hold on a second Yeah, it's not like that anymore, dude kids are way younger now at the same age But when kids 10 now, they're like seven or when you were a kid Yeah, but we just got done talking about how they hit puberty and stuff earlier. So that's no excuse Ten is the month you how old were you when you were walking miles home from school or to school That's a bad question asked me My sister was in first grade, I was in third grade and we were crossing the freeway It's like watch out and it's like a person like two kids running across a freeway watch out people because that was you guys I told you guys that story before like I I went back to my where I grew up in Modesto like this or that this time in my life I was in Modesto and I don't know if you guys ever do this because I don't know how many of you guys have actually lived in Nearly as many homes as I did I think grew up in nine different homes So every once in a while if I go by that town or whatever. Oh, let's go check out our old neighborhood and see And I remember we went by that this was maybe I don't know ten years ago or whatever and we went we went by to go check the house out in the neighborhood and I remember taking Katrina like oh, let's go down this. I want to let me show you my sister And I used to go to school. I'll show you my school and I remember driving being like God. I swore this school was sooner than this Literally like two miles away. It's like, are you sure you know where you're going? I'm like, no I this is all familiar I said you she was you really crossed a four-lane like highway Oh, like that. I said, yeah, no, this is where we go right here And yeah, I get there like holy scurried And then I'm doing the math on like our age because I know what grade I was at. I'm like goddamn I'm all of me With my little sister, you know say that's what you're such a hard and Modesto I think it's rated like number one in crime in the United States It's like up there with like one of the like the highest crime cities all of the country Real quick, I hope you're enjoying the show I want to talk about one of our sponsors by optimizers now They make natural digestive enzymes that help relieve things like constipation or bloating Especially if you're eating a diet that's very high in protein or carbohydrates for performance for muscle building You're trying to boost your metabolism You're eating these meals and you feel like your digestion is just not great Try by optimizers. 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This is what supinated means now the difference between this and a Traditional barbell row overhand is that you're gonna get a little bit more bicep involvement and that rotating of the hands brings The elbows in closer to the body so I noticed when I go supinated I feel I can get more of a squeeze in my lats than when I use a bit, you know when I use the overhand grip Dumbbell I get a little bit more mid-back with that because of the rotation at the top Especially when it's one arm at a time Penlay is more of a power move and I don't typically teach that to anyone unless They're strong and stable and all of the other, you know, traditional rows like I never had My like everyday average clients do a penlay row unless they were really consistent with me For a while, so that's kind of the breakdown of them. I thought they're all good I thought penlay rose pretty early do I mean, I think a bent over row is I mean It's not the easiest exercise to teach somebody and it does take some skills So it wouldn't be I would never start someone on a pen lay. I go dumbbell first, right? Yeah Yeah, no, I mean you would go through but I mean you once you understand how to do a bent over row pretty Well, and you can keep your your if you can keep your back in it, you know neutral spine And and you can if you can load a regular row and keep good form Then you could probably teach a penlay row, which I love to stabilize embrace really good technique really down But yeah, really really good. Did you teach it? Would you teach it? I would I did Yeah, take a bit. I would teach it eventually And not until they have a good prerequisite strength and stability Well, just because of that fact is it's now we're moving it fast anything time we're moving it fast like as long as you have the stabilization and in the proper Mechanics involved like I think that's the next level to progress Yeah, yeah the the way that I like to do barbell if I had to pick one because I do them all is A pronated which is overhead grip and I don't go You know flat to the floor which I'll believe not a traditional barbell row You're supposed to be you know horizontal of the floor. So your back is literally flat. That's a traditional row I like to do it where my upper body is more at a 45 degree angle And this is the way that like Doreen Yates used to barbell row back in the 90s And he made the exercise real popular because everybody loved how big his back was or whatever I feel it more that way now when I bend all the way over Obviously can't use as much weight. I feel a little bit more in the upper back and less of the lats So I'll do that 45 degree angle one and that's usually how I'll do my rows Yeah, I've noticed when you row I row more almost all the way over Yeah, I just I feel like I get a lot of lower back involved in there because the erector spinae has to stabilize in that position And so I feel like I feel like a better overall back workout the further I'm bent over, but you're right You can't row very much, you know, but that's where the pin lay comes in like if you can do a pretty good You know, I don't know 225 Let's say of a bent over row all the way over then you could shoot up to 75 plus with the pin lay if you can Hold that position that that whole time. So I kind of get both that way Yeah, or if your lower back is, you know, fueling it quite a bit and is a bit fried I like to lean over the bench and get that kind of stabilized support so that way I can lift a bit heavier too If it's been taxing like I did dead lifts, you know, previous to that, but yeah, I think they're all valid Well, and this is just a great way of just this is how you would they all belong in your arsenal I think and I think you can just maybe Except for a pen lay right because it's an explosive movement That's the only one that you know, you bring up the point that you should have pretty good mechanics with your other Row exercises before you even consider doing pin lay, but if you have really good row form Then doing this explosive movement. I think is is totally fine if you do a row like a good row barbell row, I'd say probably one of the better ones or dumbbell row and a pull-up You're hitting almost everything, you know the pull-up chin-up or pull-down. I prefer the chin-up That's really lat heavy when you're doing the row You're getting more of that mid-back than you would with a pull-up And I think you develop a really nice balanced back when you and of course you throw dead lifts and you're pretty much covered With the whole deal, but I remember specifically there was a guy that worked out at Golds years ago. This is a golds I used to go to and he was like a pull-up machine That's actually all he did was a million and one different variations of pull-ups and he had these very well-developed Lats but very weak mid-back and upper-back development and you could tell all he did were pull-ups So there's in order to develop balance, especially in such a large Muscular chair because we say the back. It's you know, you know, the back consists of a lot of muscles We pretend like it's one muscle. There's so many muscles You want to do rows you want to do pull-downs you want scapula retraction you want to do some kind of scapula elevation You want to do all this stuff to develop all the different, you know muscles of that area Well and to answer the question which is which one is better for building the back It's and I think you guys would agree It's the one that you're doing the least out of these right so get good at one of them that you suck at yeah So the one that you never do is going to end up developing the back the most because the other one Your body is somewhat adapted to doing that So I think they all belong in the rotation and the best one that you should probably be doing right now is the one That you either never do or rarely do next question is from yehaan What is the difference between mobility and flexibility? What a great question good question you pick Justin Yeah, so in the way that we use mobility because I think some people define mobility different But the way we use mobility is you have control and strength Within a particular range of motion. So that's your mobility Flexibility is just range of motion. So like to give you an example My 11 month year old son has got incredible flexibility. I mean I could take his feet I can put him by his head. He could do the splits. He's likes it, but he has no strength in there So he's very unstable. I mean my son can barely hold his own body up if I put load on him He probably hurt himself So that's not the kind of that's not what you want. You don't want to just be flexible. In fact Although not common. I've trained people with tremendous flexibility who have very little strength. They're the most injury risk People that I've ever worked with they're super injury prone because they've got such crazy ranges of motion with no strength And and that's how you hurt yourself mobility is range of motion with strength So it's the difference between you know sitting on the floor and the splits and getting into the splits But you can do it with resistance on your body or jump out of it without having to support yourself Like you own that range of motion So I've trained a few clients like this and they all did have something in common all of them were like yogis Yeah, so I don't know if you guys if you guys have trained enough people to see if there's like a common theme But the clients that I had that had incredible flexibility, but lacked good mobility, right? So strength and stability in that range of motion were like people that just loved yoga They didn't do any real strength training They just did yoga all time and so they were sitting in static stretches all the time So that was the most common thing that I saw I didn't have anybody else You know, it's funny about that Adam is because same here So I can think of three people off the top of my head two people were yoga fanatics One person actually was not active at all and she just genetically was super super hyper flexible But when you look when you actually go because then I took yoga classes and you know Jessica was yoga certified and her instructor was Incredible and I brought this up to them and I said I noticed when I've trained people who are yoga fanatics They had terrible stability in certain ranges of motion and they said that's because they're not practicing yoga properly when you do yoga Properly you're supposed to stay active in the poses. So like let's say you're in like warrior one You're not supposed to allow your feet to press out against the mat and just kind of sit You're supposed to pull them in and stay active and activate your muscles You're not just supposed to sit on the joint. Yes, let your body weight kind of now now yin yoga would do that Right, you're sitting in a stretch and you're just relaxing and letting the things get loose Which I could see some benefit for someone like me who's maybe really tight But yeah, that'll make you that'll increase your risk of injury if you don't have the strength Yes, speaking of like the hypo hyper flexible clients I had a few of those and all we would do is work on mobility and that being the difference where we would take certain positions and poses and Try to gain access to those those positions and poses by flexing and contracting muscles like isometric So you'd get isometric contraction first Just to be able to now gain that kind of communication and then try to slowly move our way out of those positions As well. So yeah, you you want to you want a good range of motion that you but you have to own it Otherwise, it doesn't mean anything. I mean think of being in a long Static stretch now imagine your three-year-old jumps on you if you feel like that would tear something You don't own that range of motion. Yeah, the range of motion you should that you have you should have control over I mean this how injuries happen typically is someone moves in a range of motion either quickly or whatever That they don't own so it's like, oh my god I bent over and twisted to grab a box and I pulled my back muscle It's because you moved outside of the range of motion that you fully owned and when that happens things become unstable And you end up injuring yourself. So mobility is what you want Flexibility can lead to mobility. So you might want to increase range of motion But if you don't connect to it, then it's it's not really helping you you have to have that control Next question is from Lockheed Maloney. When is the best time to train the core and how often, you know That's actually not a bad question because I don't think it's a good idea if you're doing a Multiple-body part workout or a full-body workout to train your core Before you train everything well, you don't want to fatigue the core then go into heavy back-loaded squats or deadlifts Yeah, that would not be ideal. It's so involved in everything that training your core first Just it's going to increase your instability. It's not a good idea. Yeah, your last line in defense, right? That's what's keeping your spine everything intact and good alignment. Well now you can add stresses External stresses on top of that. So you want that nice and fresh and not fatigued But at the same time too in terms of like training it like frequency of training it is A good idea is something that you want to make sure like you do have a strong core And it's like finding its way repeatedly in your programming Well, that's that's why I program it either at the end of a workout or on a separate day Because what you don't want is And it's not that you couldn't do it at the beginning of the workout or in the middle of the workout It's like I just you don't want to fatigue that muscle Doing something that is heavy-loaded Probably not that big of a deal if you're training more hypertrophy or endurance type training where it's High reps and you're never really loading the bar that much Probably not that big of a deal if you were to train core in the beginning or the middle But definitely if I'm in the middle of a strength phase The last thing that you want to be fatigued is your core when you're you know loading the barbell up It's just dangerous to do that. It doesn't make any sense not to mention You're going to get some good core work while you do that I mean when you brace your core for a heavy-back loaded squat or a deadlift you are training your core So I wouldn't want to do anything like lots of reps or fatiguing until the end of the workout Yeah, the best results I ever got with core would be a little bit of exercise a little bit of core work at the end of every workout So at the very end I do something and then a couple days a week That's just core related and usually what it would look like would be Some kind of a carry or some kind of a functional core movement to start with I like suitcase carries or overhead carries or windmills windmills are actually really good For stabilization a little bit of counter rotation or rotation. So a cable chop Or one where your hands are close at your sides and then you press out in front of you So you're just increasing the tension but maintaining stability stability and then finish off with Direct core work like your reverse, you know crunches or your slow sit-ups and stuff like that And I got incredible results that way. But yeah, I would say You probably definitely don't want to work your core before you do anything that involves any compound lift Because if your core fatigues faster than the rest of your body And your form breaks down because your core is weak the risk of injury is really high Well and to like definitely the same kind of formula It was like at the end of the workout of my heavy days and like just a little bit But the days in between like that's my opportunity now to really express this twisting and rotating and anti rotating type of movements that It's really hard to program those otherwise Which provides so much value because now too like your body will just respond when you get in a pinch when you get in a non sort of robotic You know isolated type of a movement, which is pretty much everyday life You know, you're gonna have some kind of like micro rotation or something happen where you got to stabilize and adjust And to be able to keep that, you know regular in your routine is going to keep you Keep your longevity going even further. Yeah, you know, it's funny I when I really realize the importance of core strength and stability because you learn this right as a trainer I always talk about it becomes a sales Pitch when you when you're talking about your training and how much the core is important and all that stuff But I remember when I would train Athletes who hired me To augment their training. I trained some triathletes. I've trained some marathon runners and ironman competitors And because of their the style of their their training for their sport, they're constantly doing something They're running or they're cycling or the swimming And my resistance training was always like a once or twice a week type of thing just to maintain strength and You know prevent muscle loss and prevent injury and I'll never forget. This happened. This was true for all of them If I train their core really hard They could not do anything else for the rest of the day Like I could train their legs. I could hammer their upper body They could go cycle swim no problem If we beat up their core They couldn't do any of that stuff and they would always come back and be like Yeah, I could I cycled afterwards or I ran out and my back bothered me So we can't do core Except for at the end of the day when I've done everything and I remember that I was like all like every single one of them Was the same thing if we did core had to be after they did everything else or by itself Otherwise it would you know impede their performance Next question is from colton marshal What supplements should not be taken together? Oh I think you'd salad no this one debal and sesson on probably This is probably a little much together like what magical formula You know what okay, so I know the question is like basically do they negate like what supplements negate each other's effects Well, okay, I'll start with that if you're taking an amino acid specifically to let's say increase nitric oxide, right Then you probably don't want to take it with protein or with a lot of amino acids because now it kind of loses its effect So like if I take citrulline for example by itself pre-workout To boost nitric oxide, but I take it citrulline and protein powder now I've got all these amino acids a lot of them are competing and it's not going to produce You know those kind of effects wouldn't you say the same thing goes for if you're taking Protein powder and then a branch chain amino acid waste the time unless your protein intake is low in which case spiking branch chain Branch chain amino acids make sense, but yeah, I think generally speaking branch amino acids Are a waste of money again unless your protein intake is below that high amount Now here's what you really should pay attention to and this is what this is the lesson that I've learned Probably a handful of times What you don't want to do is combine supplements that augment each other because sometimes one plus one equals five And what I mean by that is like if I combine Caffeine and caffeine Like if I take a hundred milligrams caffeine a hundred milligrams caffeine then the effect I'm going to get is 200 milligrams caffeine That doesn't always work with stimulants sometimes you take a hundred milligrams caffeine and a little bit of ephedra or yohembe or sinifrin And it's not like that. They amplify each other And you get this kind of dangerous runaway, you know stimulant effect So that would be the big thing I would say pay attention to don't combine stimulants unless you really know what you're doing because The additive effects can be kind of nasty and a bit, uh, you know dangerous What about some of these supplements that are labeled as a fat burner and then a muscle builder? Oh, I hear what you're saying That's more on a calorie surplus right. I just I imagine that that where this question is probably coming from I doubt it's down to the uh individual chemical level where you're going and it's probably more generic like Could I take a muscle builder supplement and a fat loss supplement at the same time? That seems like a more common question that you would hear Yeah, what's funny about that is the their muscle builder fat loss supplements Do they compete with each other? Not really, uh, but your diet and your training or what make the biggest Difference you take all the fat burners you want You're in a calorie surplus. It's a complete, uh, waste of time You know the thing that's really interesting the same thing goes for a muscle bill You could be taking all the muscle bill or something as you want But if you're in a caloric deficit, you're gonna have a hell of a time Totally it can happen You know what you know what what this makes me think of is and this is the supplement industry is really good at this Is any they still do this they'll be like a supplement That's like for the pump or for muscle building or for libido or for sleep And you'll turn around the label and it has everything you've ever read about that's supposed to help for that particular thing And you'll look at it and be like, oh, this is for sleep And they'd be like tryptophan melatonin Theanine gaba and you're like, oh, this has everything that means it must be more effective What typically what's typically happening there is that none of those things have efficacious doses They just have a tiny bit of everything in there To get or they'll have efficacious dose of one thing like three milligrams of melatonin And everything else is like this tiny amount So, you know what you want to do is you want to look at efficacious doses The right form and then that's the thing you pay attention to not just whether or not it's listed like I remember in the 90s there was a supplement called hot stuff and It was popular because Because that niacin probably loaded in it and so that made you sweat your balls off So you thought it was working hell of a good it sat on it and had everything in it I remember that that was like super but that was like one of those hacks Right, they would they would load it up with niacin and then everything else was pixie dust And but you thought it worked because you're like oh my god my skin's red Yeah, I'm just sitting here and my armpits are sweating right now. I've even done anything. This stuff is really working Yeah, with a kicker with supplements pre-workout uh the pre-workout space figured this out If we could put something in there the person can feel even if it doesn't do anything for the goal As long as they could feel it we're gonna sell a lot. So beta alanine, although there's some benefit It makes your skin tingle. So that kind of makes it feel like it's I'm itchy something's working By the way, you know, they I I wouldn't be surprised if they borrowed that from Other markets like toothpaste and shampoo. Oh, definitely shampoo. I mean all those like dandruff commercials like I can tingle It's working. Yeah, or you know the fact that you know what's crazy is I'm aware of that and it still works on me Of course, like I still I want my toothpaste to foam up. I want my head to feel tingly Where I used to want my head to feel tingly Wash my hair not so much anymore But I it's even though I know that I know the science behind it that that's all that is all for them to make Just to make you feel like it's working. It's more effective But how crazy the psychology of that it's I know it and yet I still want it Dude, would you want a lesson still works for me? You know, gosh, it's great Would you want to use soap that didn't lather like what if it just like was right and then you're instant Right and that's that's another example Which by the way when you do some of this like organic all natural soap you'll notice it doesn't lather up the same And so you feel like you're like god, I've been scrubbing my arm for like three minutes now It's not lathering up. You know, what's a good? I'll tell you what a good good interesting combinations Here's a good a classic example Theanine is an amino acid that's been shown to cause a calming effect in the body right caffeine is a stimulant I love that together when you introduce that well now you you think to yourself Well, that would be counteracting But what happens is the theanine actually reduces the negative effects of caffeine But doesn't take away the energy producing effects So what you get from it is this really smooth You know focus that just feels like the high without less jittery. Yeah, yes You could do this with ashwagandha does that really well with caffeine Or you get this nice smooth energy some supplement companies seem to be jumping on this kind of figuring this out But yeah, you don't want to again when you stack supplements that all do the same thing Sometimes you get more than negative and not more of the positive So that's what I'd say and the and I think the biggest takeaway is the nutrition piece Right like as most people that are probably asking this question I think go back to the fat loss muscle building thing and the thing that's going to make the biggest difference on whether the It's the supplement is effective is actually Where you're at calorically because if you're taking a supplement to build muscle But you're constantly in a caloric deficit You're not going to build any muscle the same thing goes for what Justin was saying about the fat burning If your goal is to take fat burner supplements But you're eating in a 500 to 1000 calorie surplus every day that supplement is going to burn any fat Look if you like our information head over to mind pump free.com and check out all of our free guides We have guides that can help you build muscle or burn body fat or even just improve your health Again, it's mind pump free.com. 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