 Pernikmati-pernikmati, teman-teman. Nama saya Efran Shah, atau saja panggil saya Efran. Saya bergantung dengan Taman-taman dan Perlukan Perkhidmatan sebagai pembentangan senior di Taman-taman. Pada masa ini, mereka adalah orang yang kuat mengalami saya. Dan kami cuba menerima sebuah subyek yang menarik. Pernikmati-pernikmati adalah ekoturisme dan diversitas biasa. Jadi, anda boleh mengingatkan semua orang-orang ini sepatutnya telah menghubungi hidup mereka sebuah jalan yang lain untuk keadaan dan konservasi. Saya akan memperkenalkan mereka nanti, tetapi untuk memulai, jika anda berada di belakang, kerana anda akan mempunyai duit untuk berikan selepas pembentangan, anda sepatutnya perlu bergerak. Yang di belakang, tidak dapat ampao. Hai, John. Jadi, saya sangat gembira dan gembira untuk menjadi seorang teman-teman. Pak John adalah seorang teman-teman saya. Pak Director General juga. Saya berminat dengan banyak daripada anda, tetapi mungkin Robin, sebab satu hal simpanan, anda terlalu jauh dari kami. Anda dari Australia. Apa pun, terima kasih berjumpa dengan anda. Dan untuk membuka mata kami, anda ingin melihat sesuatu yang saya sedia untuk anda di sini? Untuk memulai pembentangan. Tolong, Pak, YouTube. Kalau tangkahan tidak ada ekoturism, mungkin hari ini, hutan di sana sudah habis, kerana kami juga butuh kehidupan dan kami akan melakukan apa pun agar kami bisa hidup. Kerana kami juga mahu hidup yang punya hak untuk hidup di muka bubeli. Sebelum ekowisata, saya adalah ilegal ogre. Mengambilan kayu dari hutan itu tidak abu. Semua mesrakan mengambil hidup. Ditangkap sama aparat diukum 2 tahun lalu. Dan di penjara saya berpikir, apa sih? Harusku perbuat sekembalinya aku dari penjara. Kerana kakak saya juga, bapak saya pemain ilegal ogre, dan saya juga. Tapi saya berpikir, kalau saya tidak berubah, mungkin anak saya juga, mungkin bisa seperti nasib yang saya berubah. Alasannya saya, dari pelakuk ilegal ogre, menjadi pelakuk periwisata itu adalah kerana melihat dampak negatif dari pelakuk ilegal ogre itu, kita berubah yang tersebut, menjadi pelakuk periwisata, dan kita mendapat keuntungan dengan menjaga hutan. Pakaian wisata gajah yang ditawarkan kepada wisata wan itu seperti memandikan gajah, berjalan bersamaan dengan gajah, jadi para turis dapat melihat dan mempelajari bagaimana sifat gajah di dalam hutan. Semua perkara yang kita lakukan di Maksud Sumatra adalah eko turisme. Dan ia sangat bagus untuk melihat bahawa ia bukan hanya orang-orang datang untuk menerima duit, menerima duit. Semua perkara yang ditawarkan kepada komuniti, supaya mereka dapat memperbaiki diri, supaya mereka ada alternatif untuk berada di industri palmah atau melohong, atau semua perkara yang memperbaiki hutan ini. Kerana ia cantik. Semua masuk ke hutan kahan, melalui CTO, datang ke hutan, kamu mahu tempat di mana. Tak ada harus di sini, tak boleh seperti itu. Pemeratan itu bukan semua sama, ya kan? Tapi semua mendapat sekarang ini. Bagi masyarakat yang nampak jelas sekali tentuannya, pendidikan, pendidikan bahasa Inggris di Danai daripada ia kita sendiri, lebabkan kita. Angkota Sehu kebanyakan bekerja di eko wisata. Dan Angkota Wisata meminjam uang ke pihak Sehu untuk memodali modal usaha mereka. Kerana begitu pesat, pendapatan di eko wisata, mereka mengambilkan uang Sehu tempat waktu. Untuk kami sekarang ini bersama ranger, kita menjual hutan, tapi tanpa memotong kayu. Kita setiap hari jumat itu melakukan patroli di perbatasan Taman Nasional dan Masyarakat. Kita kerjasama dengan ranger-ranger yang ada di tangkahan ini. Yang kita fokuskan kalau patroli dibatas Taman Nasional dan Lahan Masyarakat itu ada aktivitas ilegal seperti pemasangan jerat Satuak. Kawasan konservasi penting kerana dia bukan warisan dari nenek Mo yang tetapi pinjaman dari generasi yang akan datang. Pemerintah mempunyai kewajiban untuk menjaga manfaat dan nilai kualitasnya kawasan konservasi untuk kepentingan generasi mendatang. Komitmen pemerintah dalam aneh di JNK HDI adalah membangun rol model sehingga keberhasilan tangkahan bisa direplikasi di tempat lain dan ada proses pembelajaran. Kemintaan sangat tertarik untuk mendukung tangkahan kerana ini model hidup yang bisa kita tampilkan kepada Nasional dan Internasional. Masyarakat mempunyai kesadaran sendiri. Perubahan dari ilegal ogres menjadi penjaga dan pelindung alam itu sangat jarang terjadi dan ternyata bisa dilakukan. Artinya adalah sebetulnya masyarakat jika punya keinginan yang baik untuk memperoleh hasil bukan dari kayu namun dari sata alam bisa terjadi. Kesembangan adalah kunci untuk mendapatkan harmonisasi kerana harmonisasi kehidupan antara manusia dengan alam sekitarnya adalah jaminan buat keberlanjutan kehidupan di muka bunga. Piratno. Piratno, maaf. Saya mempunyai nama yang susah kerana saya mempunyai Inung selama masa. Pak Inung atau Pak Piratno telah mempunyai lebih daripada 20 tahun dalam konservasi. Dia yang paling berbeza dan mempunyai keberlanjutan jadi jika apa-apa yang salah dengan Pak Nasional apa-apa keberlanjutan tentang kehidupan Harimau jadi-jadian Badak, kiling dan semua perkara ini dalam memakai Pak Inung. Nama Pak Inung kerana Menteri juga memanggil Pak Inung. Jadi kemudian saya mahu meminta Pak Inung kerana anda Director General dari Konservasi Nature Dalam Ministerial apa yang sangat hebat tentang tangkahan ini? Saya tidak pernah di sana. Jika anda pergi ke rumah saya di Medan dan kemudian 3 jam dari Medan kemudian di Kabubat dan Langkat anda akan melihat tempat ini. Jadi ada sesuatu dan ada sebab untuk menerima di sini beberapa perkara yang menarik dan elemen dari perkara ini. Dan saya mahu Pak Inung mempunyai setiap panel-panel ini anda akan mempunyai sekitar 8 minit. Saya beritahu mereka jika anda mempunyai lebih daripada 10 minit saya akan mempunyai Satpam untuk mengambil mereka dari stajah. Jadi kemudian Pak anda akan mempunyai sekitar 8 minit untuk memberitahu kami perkara yang menarik di tangkahan. Dan terutama pertanyaan ke anda, bagaimana untuk membuat atau mempromosikan kemampuan untuk mempunyai sesuatu seperti ini atau lebih daripada ini. Adakah ada kemungkinan terutamanya untuk itu? Pak Inung tahu dia adalah seorang pelajar yang rare seorang pelajar yang menarik. Saya harus beritahu siapa boleh menarik. Dia menarik banyak buku. Dan yang terakhir yang saya menarik adalah Tersesat di Jalan Yang Benar. Jadi ini sebuah buku yang sangat menarik. Saya tidak tahu bagaimana untuk menghubungi bahasa Inggeris. Tapi dia suka menarik dalam stajah beritahu. Jadi biasanya anda sangat sangat apa? Bersendirikan banyak buku. Jadi jika anda ada buku, tolong beritahu. Sudah beritahu. Sudah beritahu. Sudah beritahu. Jadi jika anda ada buku, tolong beritahu. Boleh kita beritahu Pak Inung? Terima kasih. Saya ingin menghubungi jester dan komunikasi yang sangat penting. Saya menggunakan langkah untuk menghubungi Jakarta. Saya menggunakan tangan untuk Jogjakarta. Tangan tidak mudah. Tidak seperti apa yang anda lihat, apa yang anda lihat di YouTube selama 5 menit. Anda dapat melihat di YouTube. Ia bermula pada tahun 2000. Dah 17 tahun sekarang. Dan saya rasa saya berada di sana selama 3 tahun sebagai pengalaman park pada tahun 2005-2007. Jadi bisa saya tunjukkan sikit. Saya rasa ini adalah 5 prinsipa yang penting. Untuk orang yang ingin bekerja dalam konservasi naturen. Pertama, prinsipa pengalaman. Dalam bahasa Indonesia, ini 5 kaya. Pengalaman menjadi pengalaman. Pelopor. Sangat penting. Pertama, bahasa Indonesia ini berada di peloporan. Berada di peloporan. Kita harus bincangkan orang yang yang berlaku dalam hidup mereka. Dalam sistem area protektif di Indonesia. Ada lebih daripada 6,000 pahala. Diada di sebarang-barang pahala. Di sebarang pahala. Di sebarang pahala. Sangat penting. Dengan mereka. Berduli kepada mereka. Ini semua pahala. Bekerja dalam konservasi bukan... Saya percaya konservasi bukan pekerjaan. Itu cara hidup. Stucuk atau tidak? Tidak, tidak. Tidak ada stucuk. Prinsipa yang mencari. Jika anda tidak mencari bagaimana anda boleh membantu mereka? Tengok dengan mereka. Dan kita perlukan konservasi, Pak. Kita perlukan konservasi. Kita harus terus saja dengan masyarakat itu. Ya, yang terakhir. Ia tentang leadership. Kepemimpinan. Ya. Saya rasa kita perlukan kita perlukan leadership kuat. Bukan hanya pekerjaan yang baik. Dan pahala. Ini... Yang baru. Yang baru. Kita panggilnya cara baru. Cara baru. 10 prinsipa yang jika anda percaya jika anda mahu bekerja atau mencari area konservasi. Ini juga... Saya percaya ini sebuah cerita lain. Bawa komuniti lokala sebagai subjek keadaan. Bukan hanya sebuah objek. Masyarakat sering diopiekan. Pada nama perkembangan, tidak ada cara. Bukan lagi. Kita bawa mereka sebagai subjek. Maksudnya, kita harus duduk bersama mereka dan mulai dari awal-awal. Apa-apa projek yang anda ada, anda datang dari universiti dan dari negara donor, anda harus duduk bersama dengan orang lokala dan berbincang tentang bagaimana untuk menyelamatkan masalah atau mengembangkan potensi mereka. Ini sudah tak bagikan belum? Ya, sudah. Semua orang mempunyai buku ini? Maaf, belum di Inggeris. Terima kasih, Pak. Akhirnya, itu, Pak. Pembukaannya, Pak. Terima kasih. Saya rasa ini cukup propaganda tentang bergerak bergerak dengan perjalanan lebih berkawal untuk ekoturisme secara khas mengambil pakaian tersebut dan mengembangkan pakaian tersebut sebagai pakaian tersebut. Jadi, saya harap anda sudah bersedia nanti untuk meminta tentang perjalanan yang anda lihat dalam pakaian yang anda tahu dan mungkin ia bukan pakaian tersebut. Apa yang kita lihat adalah sebuah kisah yang berjaya. Mungkin banyak kisah yang berjaya. Jadi, saya harap pakaian tersebut juga untuk berkongsi dengan kita beberapa kisah yang tak berjaya bukan untuk berjaya, tapi untuk berkongsi untuk mengambil pakaian tersebut. Jadi, pakaian tersebut datang dari negara yang sangat jauh adalah negara yang jauh tetapi itu sangat jauh dengan jauh dan dia juga praktisier dan dia akan sedikit lebih tentang kisah yang perlu dan mungkin memberikan kita beberapa kisah yang berdasarkan pengalaman dia sendiri dan dia pengalaman yang sangat besar pengalaman tersebut. Tapi ia membawa sekurang-kurangnya 250,000 orang seharusnya. Sejujurnya, Robin sedang mengambil orang ke India. Jadi, jika anda ingin melihat ke India, kemudian tolong berkongsi Robin. Robin, tolong, 8 minit. Terima kasih. Pertama-tama, saya sangka saya segera beritahu anda sedikit tentang kumpulan Intrapid kerana banyak orang tak tahu tentang kami walaupun kita sebenarnya pakaian tersebut di dunia dunia. Kumpulan Intrapid pakaian tersebut dan pakaian tersebut di Melbourne. Tapi sebenarnya, kami ada 26 pakaian di dunia dunia, pakaian kumpulan dan juga pakaian perjalanan. Saya sangka apa yang membuat kami berbeza dan apa yang diberikan kepada kumpulan kita adalah kita memang ingin pastikan bahawa kumpulan kita belajar mempunyai dan berkongsi dengan kumpulan. Kami juga mempunyai dalam kumpulan di dunia dunia kita belajar kumpulan di dunia dunia dan kumpulan kita di dunia dunia belajar kumpulan di dunia dunia dan cuba memberi kejayaan yang diberikan kepada kumpulan yang kita belajar. Jadi, ia sangat penting untuk kami bahawa tidak ada banyak kejayaan banyak duit dalam kejayaan kumpulan kita di dunia dunia yang kami belajar. Apabila kumpulan kita memulai Intrepid, jika kita boleh mempunyai kejayaan lain, mereka ingin memulai kejayaan yang tidak hanya mempunyai kejayaan, tetapi juga mempunyai kejayaan dan orang-orang mereka. Ia lebih daripada kejayaan yang tidak sempurna. Intrepid mempunyai membuat kejayaan yang diberi kejayaan yang diberikan kejayaan yang diberikan kejayaan yang diberikan. Jadi, itu sedikit tentang Intrepid. Dan jika anda ingin mencari lebih, ada beberapa video yang sangat hebat yang kita telah membuat disebabkan Intrepid yang benar-benar bercakap tentang bagaimana penting untuk kami dan dunia lebih daripada untuk berkongsi bersama-sama di sekitar apa yang kita panggil kejayaan yang diberi kejayaan yang diberikan kejayaan yang diberi kejayaan dan mempunyai kejayaan lainnya. Eko-tourisme adalah sebuah pilihan yang telah dipanggil sejak kejayaan tahun 80-an kejayaan tahun 90-an. Dan di sebuah kejayaan tersebut, mungkin salah satu pilihan yang paling berjaya di dunia yang benar-benar menggunakan eko-tourisme untuk menghadiri ekonomi telah menjadi Costa Rica. Pada awal, memperkenalkan 24% sebuah masjid total kepada parkan tersebut dan sebagainya. Eko-tourisme membuat ekonomi Costa Rica membuat sebuah gala yang telah diberi kejayaan untuk menjadi kejayaan kejayaan yang telah diberi kejayaan tahun 2021. Ia adalah kejayaan yang sangat menarik. Jalan yang tidak terdapat untuk Costa Rica adalah sempurna. Ada sebuah kejayaan yang terdapat sebab sebuah negara yang berdiri untuk mempunyai investasi eksternal dari investasi pribadi. Ada beberapa kejayaan dari sebuah pilihan di luar perniagaan. Jadi, orang di luar perniagaan telah diperbaiki dalam beberapa kejayaan. Dalam awal tanpa kejayaan kejayaan dan kejayaan ada beberapa kejayaan yang tidak terdapat sempurna. Tidak-tidak Costa Rica membuat sebuah kejayaan yang terdapat semasa sebuah negara investasi eksternal. Sebenarnya, sebuah kejayaan di luar perniagaan di luar perniagaan. Dan saya percaya dan saya rasa perniagaan kita berlaku pada itu untuk membuat sebuah kejayaan untuk kejayaan eksternal yang paling penting yang perlu kita lakukan adalah membuat kejayaan di luar perniagaan. Sebenarnya, sebuah kejayaan yang terdapat sebuah kejayaan di luar perniagaan di luar perniagaan adalah sebuah kejayaan dari perspektif kejayaan kejayaan yang akan membawa kejayaan ke dalam hidup. Ia adalah sebuah kisah, sebuah kejayaan dengan kejayaan dan, terutamanya, sebuah kultur yang membuat kejayaan yang terdapat. Sebenarnya, South America mungkin membuat beberapa jenis kejayaan di sebuah kejayaan kejayaan dan ekotourisme. Sebenarnya, saya hanya ingin memberitahui alatan pula yang terbaik untuk membawa kejayaan ke dalam hidup. Saya hanya ingin memberitahui alatan pula yang terbaik untuk membuat kejayaan di luar perniagaan kejayaan kita akan membuat kejayaan yang terdapat. Saya hanya ingin memberitahui alatan pula yang terdapat. Saya ingin mengambil alatan Yang penting di sini adalah kongsi antara komuniti tempatan tempatan dan MAMA KAURI Sustainable Development Institute. Ia mempunyai kongsi tempatan tempatan tempatan. Ia mempunyai pengusahaan dalam semua jalanan logi. Kongsi antara komuniti tempatan tempatan tempatan dan pada tahun 2020, kita akan menghubungkannya ke tempatan tempatan tempatan. Sebelum kembali, terdapat banyak hentikan, menghubungkannya dan menghubungkan. Ia mempunyai kongsi tempatan. Bukan hanya tempatan tempatan tempatan tempatan tetapi mereka adalah penerbangan, penerbangan dan kerja menggunakan projek lain seperti menghubungkan dan menghubungkan tempatan tempatan. Lebih penting, bukan hanya tempatan tempatan tempatan terdapat kepada komuniti, tetapi tempatan tempatan tempatan tempatan juga digunakan untuk perjalanan dalam tempatan. Ada banyak jenis seperti ini di seluruh dunia dan kita di Antrepid mempunyai turisme komuniti. Turisme komuniti adalah sangat gila pada saat ini. Tapi sebenarnya, ia adalah sebahagian daripada DNA Antrepid. Kita mulai berdiri di komuniti di awal tahun 1990 dan ia mempunyai perjalanan kecil di Thailand, komuniti kecil di Malaysia. Dan sekarang, sebuah dunia akan mempunyai peluang untuk berdiri di komuniti atau berkongsi dengan orang di tempatan. Untuk memperkenalkan turisme komuniti yang berjaya, ada banyak jenis yang diperkenalkan. Ia biasanya penting untuk mempunyai jenis NGO yang berjaya dengan komuniti pada masa-pada. Mereka akan menjadi jenis perjalanan yang mungkin dari sebuah sektor privat dan kemahaman. Pada jenis NGO, berdiri di tempatan dan kemahaman adalah sangat penting untuk projek berjaya. Seperti pada jenis perjalanan dan jenis perjalanan. Untuk memperkenalkan turisme komuniti yang berjaya, ia sangat penting untuk memperkenalkan jenis perjalanan dari awal tahun. Dan dalam beberapa jenis, ia memperkenalkan jenis perjalanan atau jenis perjalanan yang boleh diperkenalkan oleh sektor privat tetapi dalam sistem perjalanan. Yang paling penting, jenis perjalanan bukan tentang duit. Jenis perjalanan yang paling penting adalah jenis perjalanan kemahaman di sekitar jenis perjalanan. Dan di rata saya, jenis perjalanan kemahaman adalah perjalanan antara kemahaman dan kemahaman. Untuk memperkenalkan turisme perjalanan mempunyai perjalanan yang lebih penting untuk jenis perjalanan dan perjalanan, ia sangat penting untuk memperkenalkan jenis perjalanan dan perjalanan. Tapi turisme perjalanan bukan hanya tentang komodasi. Ia perlu menjadi kemahaman kultur, mental, dan aktiviti pengalaman untuk jenis perjalanan. Perjalanan akan dibuat untuk pembangunan komuniti yang membantu mempunyai kemahaman, jenis perjalanan, perjalanan dan perjalanan, perjalanan kultur dan aktiviti pengalaman. Ia mempunyai perjalanan kemahaman dan perjalanan yang lebih penting untuk memperkenalkan jenis perjalanan untuk memperkenalkan kemahaman dan perjalanan, dan memperkenalkan jenis perjalanan dan perjalanan di jenis perjalanan dan perjalanan. Sebenarnya perjalanan ekoturisme tak boleh diberikan dalam kemahaman daripada jenis perjalanan lain. Untuk menjadi sangat berjaya daripada perspektif turisme internasional, ia perlu mempunyai kemahaman apa yang lain perjalanan yang unik jika mempunyai perjalanan yang ingin diperkenalkan jika memperkenalkan jenis perjalanan. Jadi, perjalanan sendiri tak akan cukup untuk memperkenalkan perjalanan dari jenis perjalanan. Sudah tentu tak mengapa perjalanan yang diperkenalkan dalam kemahaman daripada perjalanan. Ia juga mempunyai kemahaman daripada perjalanan. Yang lebih kebiasaan untuk perjalanan untuk dilakukan yang lebih kebiasaan untuk membeli pengalaman. Ia akan memilih kemahaman daripada kemahaman daripada kemahaman daripada kemahaman daripada. Selain beberapa tahun, ada banyak kemahaman yang berhasil dalam kemahaman perjalanan diperkenalkan. Biasanya sebab dari perjalanan tidak dibuat dengan bahagian yang baik dengan perjalanan, dan perjalanan. Selain kemahaman, ada banyak kemahaman daripada jenis perjalanan yang terperbaik. Banyak kemahaman daripada perjalanan yang berhasil dalam kemahaman daripada kehidupan yang tidak cukup, kehidupan kepercayaan dan keguguran di luar selama suatu saat. Itulah penting di fase konsultasi yang penting, yang anda memang mengatakan dengan akhir dengan komuniti tentang kejutan dan kemampuan yang komuniti akan perlukan untuk menghidupan perjalanan di dalam termasuk lama. Jika ada perjalanan yang tidak berlaku, kemudian ada peluang yang sejauh-jauh semasa fundi telah dikeluarkan, jika ada perjalanan yang tidak berlaku, sehingga projek akan mengalakkan. Untuk mempunyai risiko-risiko itu, ia sangat penting bahawa komuniti bergantung dari awal, bahawa keadaan yang dikeluarkan, bahawa keadaan yang dikeluarkan kepada komuniti. Seluruhnya, kita akan memastikan dalam projek yang kita bekerja, bahawa ada fundi komuniti. Jadi, sebab secara jelas, tidak semua orang dalam komuniti dapat dikeluarkan dalam projek, tetapi jika ada fundi komuniti, sehingga komuniti dapat menghubungi keputusan pada bagaimana fundi itu digunakan, dan komuniti dapat mengalakkan. Seperti contoh, kita bekerja, kita bekerja selama dua tahun pada projek di Myanmar, di area kawasan kawasan kawasan. Ia mempunyai empat kawasan, dan kawasan kita berada di sana selama dua malam, dan setiap kawasan ada fundi komuniti, dan dari kawasan, tiga kawasan mempunyai fundi itu selama dua tahun, yang mempunyai mereka untuk mempunyai cukup duit untuk menghubungi kawasan kawasan yang diperlukan untuk menghubungi kawasan kawasan itu. Jadi, sebab kawasan kita mempunyai, sekarang tiga kawasan ini akan mempunyai elektrisitas. Kawasan lain mempunyai sebab semasa menghubungi, mereka mempunyai masalah untuk menghubungi dan lebih baik kawasan kawasan, dan juga untuk menghubungi kawasan yang lebih baik untuk kawasan mereka. Jadi, kawasan itu yang mempunyai kawasan adalah cara yang anda dapat pastikan anda mempunyai ketika mencubungi kawasan kawasan kawasan kawasan. Terima kasih, Robin. Terima kasih banyak-banyak. Saya harap anda masih bersama saya. Sebelum saya, di kanan saya, saya beritahu anda sebagai kawan lama saya, John. Tetapi, ini bukan hanya simple-simple John. Yang ini adalah John Call May, seorang kawasan C4 yang cukup baik untuk memasukkan kawasan kawasan kawasan, kawasan kawasan kawasan untuk kami. Dia kawasan Kawasan Kawasan dan kawasan kawasan kawasan. Saya beritahu bukan simple-simple kerana saya tahu betul-betul dia di sini pada masa yang susah untuk mengubah suharto regime perubahan. John adalah kawasan kawasan kawasan kawasan kawasan di Hong Kong, di kawasan Hong Kong. Dia mempunyai 25 pengalaman dalam komunikasi sebagai kawasan kawasan dan kawasan kawasan kawasan dengan apa-apa maksudnya berkawasan, kawasan kawasan atau apa-apa. Jadi, sebabnya, saya rasa ia benar-benar jika saya bergerak berkata-kata apa maksudnya komunikasi dan kawasan kawasan ketika kita cuba mempromosikan kawasan kawasan pada masa yang sama dikawasan oleh kawasan kawasan. Kerana kedua-duanya di banyak tempat tidak boleh berjalan bersama. Jadi, kita bercakap tentang kawasan. Kemudian, jika kita cuba meluncurkan pakaian ini, John. Terima kasih, Pak. Sangat-sangat terlalu generis pada kebebasan saya. Apabila seseorang berkata-kata tentang memperkenalkan strategi komunikasi, saya selalu mahu bergerak dan melihat kawasan besar. Saya mahu memperkenalkan. Kita terpaksa memperkenalkan perkara ini. Kita memperkenalkan kawasan dan mudah memperkenalkan kerja-kerja. Ada banyak kerja-kerja jika anda akan memperkenalkan program ekotour. Kita akan fokus pada Indonesia hari ini. Tapi jika anda melihat Indonesia, kawasan dan kebebasan dan kebebasan dan kawasan dan kebebasan yang berbeda dan segalanya dan semua mesej yang mereka menerima, ia cepat menjadi memperkenalkan jika anda mahu memperkenalkan strategi komunikasi. Saya akan memberikan sebuah ekonomi dengan sebuah kawasan 4 atau 9 tahun lalu. Ia adalah situasi yang sangat sama. Kami mempunyai kawasan. Kami mempunyai sebuah reputasi yang baik. Kami mempunyai sebuah kawasan terbesar yang terbesar di Tropical Forest. Kami mempunyai sebuah kawasan terbesar tapi kami mempunyai sebuah kawasan yang terbesar dan tidak memperkenalkan strategi komunikasi. Pada masa itu, 75% kerja kami tidak memperkenalkan sebuah kawasan. Pada masa itu, 80% memperkenalkan sebuah kawasan. 12 juta gambar kami telah diperkenalkan oleh Nasional Geographic, dan lainnya yang menerima untuk semua orang. Kami mempunyai pada media global 3 atau 4 kali sepanjang hari. Apa yang kami lakukan tidak terlalu melakukannya dan saya akan melihat, jangan melakukannya keadaan ini. Jadi bagaimana kami mengikuti sebuah kawasan ini? Kita perlu melihat yang besar. Apa yang kami cuba lakukan di sini? Siapa orang yang berada di sini? Saya menikahi, apa kawasan ekotourisme? Seluruh keadaan di Kinservan Nature, banyak orang di sana, Percayalah keadaan kejutan di lorat wawam untuk menikmati dan memanggap ke outdoors yang mencari konservasi mempunyai perjalanan yang tinggi Dan ini penting untuk memperkenalkan suatu poposan sosial di bidang keadaan ke Indik Kita sudah sedang berbicara tentang komuniti dan jika saya lupa tentang komuniti di kandang station, coba mengingatkan kepada komuniti ia bercerita Dan apa yang saya suka tentang ini adalah mempertahankan keyakin Jika anda melihat ponpartan ini 8 tahun lalu? Mungkin? Ia akan menjadi lebih banyak untuk memilih wildlife, apa yang kita nama wildlife apabila saya memilih forester. Ia akan menjadi definisi yang sangat muda, tetapi sekarang ia adalah kepercayaan untuk mempengaruhi dalam perkembangan untuk mempengaruhi perkembangan, anda perlu mengambil perjalanan holistik. Anda tidak dapat menghargai satu SDG, anda perlu menghargai semua mereka. Perkembangan C4 sekarang untuk forest menghargai semua SDGs. Jadi anda perlu menghargai holistik. Satu definisi yang saya menikmati hari ini adalah ekotourisme adalah mengenali konservasi, komuniti dan perjalanan yang berkembangan. Saya menikmati itu sangat banyak kerana itu adalah untuk saya, adalah tiga penonton yang kita perlu menghubungi. Jadi anda perlu melihat apa yang anda memiliki. Apa adalah perjalanan kompetitif? Saya menikmati apa yang sudah kita memiliki. Jadi di Indonesia, anda memiliki 50 park tersebut, 9 yang dibangkalkan hariman, tetapi itu okey, 6 syaram agung tersebut, agung tersebut apabila ada 3 park. 7 Park tersebut dan 5 negara tersebut tersebut apabila ada 4 park tersebut. Jika anda melihat perjalanan penonton, anda memiliki Bali, Orangatang dan Komodo Dragun. Ada apa yang penting voor saya dari komunikasi? It's a path. It's a path of communication that's happening to every one of those, the organizations that call them historic sites. They're there on the web, they're around the world. We need to leverage that and scale them out as a communication. But we also have to get those audiences on the same page, and that's very important. Everybody's got to be on message. Now in the research on communication and ecotourism, they all start off with the same thing. You're going to need a national conference. The government has to lead on this. You need a national conference where you get all these stakeholders together. You want to bring together the government, the NGOs, the travel companies, associations, experts, media, and communities. And they need to review those assets that I just described to you up above. Some of those will be more ready for ecotourism than others. In Indonesia, it could take two days to get to some of these. Maybe those aren't the ones you want to go. They're not the low-hanging fruit. It's not going to happen at that national planning conference. Then you need to develop a five-year plan. You need to identify the assets by priority. And then you need to engage those three audiences to carry out the plan. And you need a message. At some point, you're going to need a message and identity. I like to think of Malaysia here. Malaysia, truly Asia. I think everyone remembers that. It was a great campaign. It was very simple. I still remember it. I still remember the pictures. In Indonesia, if you're going to look at Indonesia, they need something like that. It's not easy, by the way. But when you see it, it'll suddenly look like that was easy. So then, how do you communicate and engage those three communities? There's different techniques. At the local level, you're going back to more traditional communication. You're going to connect communities, NGOs, business government, experts, park rangers, community groups, media, traditional communication, town hall meetings, local media, advertising, education, and also, you've got to bring them on the same page. In Costa Rica, I saw an example where they made a network of small businesses that were put along a hiking path so that businesses could meet the hikers as they moved along. But you need that network and you need the buy-in of the local people. They need to want to support it. And then they will communicate up because the community knows the forest. A forest everywhere in the world is defined as much by the community as by the forest or go back and forth. But the community knows the forest and they know the most beautiful places, the most beautiful vistas, the most beautiful paths. They know the biodiversity there. Then you've got to go back to the national and global level. You need to connect with conservation groups, NGOs, civil society. These guys are very powerful communicators. And you need donors and foundations that are going to be around there. You're going to need them as well. And you've got the experts, the IUCNs, the C4, the World Banks. And they're going to help. And again, you need communities at every one of those conversations. And then you need sustainable travel. That's a big group. You need to connect all these stakeholders, tour operators, government departments, airlines, media, eco-travel associations and bodies. You need to develop global, national, regional campaigns where all the stakeholders are selling the same message. That will be mainly digital and online these days. Publications. Very few people are going to read publications at this kind of level. But again, you want communities. You might tell stories about people in the communities to reach out to the world. You can include media training and visits and competitions. Photo competitions are great. You might not know it, but one of the reasons we were able to help with the work with the ministry to get 1,300 people here this week was by a photo competition. It was the number one driver of web traffic to our websites. It was that photo competition that you saw last night. And then you got to be able to measure it because you can't accomplish anything without being able to measure it. You need to think in terms of developing indicators and track the data on a regular basis and you need to be thinking about holistic indicators. Certifications can help here. In Latin America, the Rainforest Alliance has certifications programs. And that can be the government. It doesn't have to be an NGO. My conclusion is that eco-tourism is a very small market. We have to be very realistic about that. But it's going to grow. As the forest and biodiversity and communities they embrace disappear, the value is going to increase. We don't have to wait for that. Right now, Rwanda charges $1,500. My colleague told me last night per person for permits to visit the gorillas. This is what's coming. You can see what's coming in the future if you're talking about these beautiful biospears and beautiful sites. But we start off by looking at the big picture. And for me, but in practice, I like to think small. Maybe you won't make billions of dollars, though that is clearly an objective. Maybe you're not going to reach hundreds of millions of people, although I'm pretty sure you can. At the end of the day, maybe you would have saved one of those world heritage sites or maybe just a part of that world heritage site. And for me, that means you would have succeeded because all of us here know that you can't put a value on that little bit we saved. Thank you very much. Thank you, John. We are halfway to go. I hope you delay a bit if you want to take a nap. Please, sir. Do it later. We are halfway. And I'd like to inform you one of us, you can guess whom and which one had a quite peculiar background. The background that perhaps is not common and is not oftenly heard. He is specialized or doing research in bioremediation and biodegradation of organic pollutants and ZIM and microbial technology and bioresources science. What a discipline. But we invited him. This is a very young brilliant researchers, Dr. Asep. On my left, Pa Asep. Please identify yourself. We are inviting him to talk about something else. What is the ideas of elements of guidelines in terms of capacity building and promoting the capacity of local community? So it's an honor to have a youngest, I assume, younger speaker among us, Dr. Asep Hidayat. Please. Thank you very much, Dr. Asep Hidayat. And good afternoon, everyone. That's right, Dr. Asep Hidayat that I have background about is correlated with bioremediation. It means that we collect some microbes from the tropical forest, especially from national park and then collect some microbes there to apply to reduce some organic pollutant later. Well, in this session, I would like to explain about related, not correlated to our study, but we try to review some reference correlated to tourism and biodiversity laws. As we know that the Indonesian have the hike biodiversity laws, but no, all of us know that biodiversity in Indonesia become lost. And then it also because some human activity in there. But no, by doing and others, we can still save protected area with the hike potential biodiversity and also magnificent landscape in there. But another side, we also have growth of the tourism industry there. But it could be understood that the biodiversity is backbone of tourism. It means that the tourism activity enjoying of the biodiversity. But no, because some hike potential biodiversity and also magnificent landscape has been protected area. This protected area will become reminding sport from research and education purposes. And then current picture so that the reminding sport area are usually fragmented and high sensitive to habitat and specialist laws. Consider the laws of a brilliant living system such as high animal and also plants. But the laws of micro-organism I will talk about micro-organism here. But the laws of the micro-organism related to the tourism activity is unseen. And it should be note all of us that the micro-organism is very sensitive to habitat iterations. And another side we know that the research related to the micro-organism has been less in study until now. If we lost of the micro-organism in there, we also will lost so many potential bioresources because micro-organism can we use as the agent of bioremediation as Plansos say before, bio-field, bio-energy, bio-health, and other bio. Mabilater, if you know more about microbiology, you said it I can say in discussion section. Okay. The other ones there are relationship between tourist destination with the high potential biodiversity. The area with the high level destination coincide with this area high diversity or outstanding landscape. By measuring two activities, first is correlated to the biodiversity and the second one correlated to the tourism activities we can see two impacts. First is the positive impact and then second is negative impact. If we say about the positive impact of course it will create local growth, it's mean then economic growth from the local and national scale also can generate some source from biodiversity conservation itself. But another side we cannot ignore because the tourism activity has the negative impact such as generate pollution for example is very easy so many ways there very difficult to obtain water and others. And fragmented habitat and ecosystem or biodiversity loss introduction of impassive alias and climate change. But now how to minimize the negative impact of tourism activities on the biodiversity loss it is necessary to make standard for all improve stick order including the government also private sector local residence and also other major practice. The first one the government should prepare some actions or program can do like providing a proper regulations from the development of the tourism it switch that the biodiversity conservation to be mind consideration in many aspect. And then second one the government also need to enforce existing law and regulations for example by applying reward and also punishment increasing local people as Pak Wirato say increasing local people awareness and a changing knowledge by biodiversity conservation by education program of course by education program and then interactive program and the last one is necessary to allocating suspending on biodiversity conservation and other one is more important because the private sector is more significant they need to assure that this activity always incorporate about biodiversity conservation and they also need to make education they stop the customer to have concern and contribute to biodiversity conservation other one private sector should make new innovation about biodiversity conservation less in the paper use plastic use and others make relationship good between all practice in managing of protected area and also conservation area increasing local people to become aware and also contribute with their framework other one is local people itself they need to support in take action in tourism and biodiversity conservation and they also need to collaborate with peshitor awareness about biodiversity conservation and other major practice is peshitor NGO and expert peshitor should be learn more about awareness their destination so finally peshitor can not only enjoy this trip but they can have contribution and aware about their destination the second one is NGO, NGO also can make taking action incorporating or accelerate or practice in tourism and biodiversity conservation the last one the expert expert can make improving on making master plan develop strategy and also advise all practice to make sure that the tourism activity and biodiversity loss can be minimized and sustainable in the future maybe this is my presentation I hope can answer all question for the moderator thank you very much thank you Parazep if you don't mind I proceed so immediately after the two panelist following panelist we will have a free open answer question and answer and dialogue and interaction with you all guys so let me introduce somebody truly local to you because she is from Bantul so Mbak Muji Sri Mujiyati is the director of Fire Fire Fire Fire Company this Fire Fire Company is a Belgian initiative project for responsible tourism so she is a practitioner and she will share with us and she is representing association of ACITA travel agency so she will share with us the information that they possess about promoting ecotourism and I hope also towards the end for our tickets thank you very much it's being honored to be here with all these great speakers actually anyone here come from Bantul Bantul Bantul forever anyone here from East Java East Java okay Banyuwangi specifically Maru Batiri National Park no one okay wow well I told at the very beginning to Paif Fransa that actually I would like to deliver the message but ecotourism but here with the great panelist and speakers they are already talk about it so that actually I will only add especially the role of travel agency especially how we do it in this tourism activities so it's even like for us as travel operator it's also a big challenge especially how we deliver our message to the visitors but also to the local communities meanwhile we also need to have a good communications and also relations with other private sectors and governments also I can say stakeholders well in my notes I would like to actually this one is one of the incentive that we as a travel operator give to the local communities at that time we have well up to now we have a tour actually I will take like the small scale first a tour to Maru Batiri National Park so that most of the tours it's we stay there for two nights and also we give a chance for the tourists to interact with the community there and then at that time we also do on the spot trainings especially how we raise awareness about the environment especially in the national park itself we gave also educational trainings and we built library but then again one of our weakness at that time because our communications with the private sectors and also the the government itself is not there yet because of the remote area so that we don't have any consistency as we said at the very beginning we need the consistency we also need the pioneer or leadership events but then at that time we miss it so that it is kind of only memory but then again it was a good beginning as a travel operator or tour operator to give incentive in that area especially to raise awareness about ecotourism and of course the biodiversity in the forest itself because the national park is one of the conservation area and then on the other hand what we see it as good investment is actually human resources however it should be against continue it means not only the tour operator but also all the stakeholders that involved in the tourism activity should be there and again it should be in one communications line with the government and this well here I would say that local communities as the direct messenger especially because they are the ones who become the direct messenger to the visitor it means it has main roles and then after that the travel agents including also the guide should have the capacity to inform the visitors also become the communicator to the visitors and here the governments become the pioneers of course because government is the one who has main relations in the international community and then also the manager controllers and promoters as John say about how we should communicate about the ecotourism so that in here in this level then the governments is take the main roles and then I think in developing the ecotourism what we should deliver to the community is also the positive impact but also the negative impact sometimes we miss this negative impact we only say that oh we would like to maximize all the positive impact but then the negative impact itself we miss it so that's why to prevent all this negative impact we should give trainings, workshop and also educations and I think it's also all part of the capacity buildings for the local communities as here local community really has the biggest role in this ecotourism because without them it will never work well I will give one of the best practice actually about the ecotourism in Indonesia here that it's already achieve a word especially from the government is the invest it's innovative indigenous florist ecotourism for sustainable trades what the project do at the time is the first is capacity buildings on local ecotourism guiding service so it's more about the guiding development of high quality ecotourism product in targets of village and then development of pricing and joint marketing strategies it is very very important because as we know sometimes what happens in the tourism activities we get trapped price it's part of I will say it's scam so of course to minimize let's say to minimize or to overcome it then we need to establish or develop the pricing and the marketing strategies and then the next one is establishment of tourism organizations and its administration system in participating target village so again village here has the main role and the next ones development of village tourism plans and at fostering the implementation of corporate social responsibility and nation nationwide proper economic development program so in this area the villagers also they already realize that if we want to achieve the goals of ecotourism then working together is very important and then what I would like to say especially as a travel agency and also travel associations I we would like to say ecotourism is one of regression activities that may encourage conservation and also preserve biodiversity in the destinations the involvement of local community has a big role on the implementations of economic itself however the good mutual relations among the government private sector and stakeholders in tourism activity needs to be built and maintained so that the goals will be achieved thank you very much Mujih thank you very much it brings it brings us to our last panelist I think you have heard about Indonesia Biodiversity Foundation this is pioneer and this is the first if not the only trust fund related to biodiversity conservation in Indonesia so it's worth more than 100 million 125 they are managing 125 million US dollar so we have with us in order to have Dr. Samedi he's younger than me but he has been there for so many years he has a background on biology but I invited him to talk about something a little bit particular in relation to investment, potential investment of course and then the role of ecotourism versus biodiversity conservation along the line I do hope that he will touch upon carrying capacity because we have not heard this term so far and then talk about more incentive if you wish Dr. Samedi thank you very much and being the last speaker is that we have only to underline what previous speakers has said yeah firstly I would like to underline what John has mentioned on the definition of the ecotourism I would like to present here John mentioned the definition but we have also definition from TS that more or less the same my point is that the keyword on the definition that's TS the international ecotourism society define that ecotourism is responsible travel to natural areas that conserve the environment and improves the well-being of local people the keyword is responsible travel conservation and local people Robin also mention about the importance of local people we agree that local people is important because we have we have to increase to build the capacity of the local people to build the readiness of the local people to receive mostly foreign visitors and receiving foreign visitors it's not easy this can change the behavior of the local people so there must be probably something like social safeguard on this regard so developing ecotourism industry should take into account the social readiness that's the first thing just now the roles of NGOs is important in this regard I would like to mention here that Kehati as the national trust fund is working with the local NGOs provide grants to local NGOs and the local NGOs provide guidelines and assistance to local people and as we we are aware that local people is very close to poverty poverty is driving people to pursue livelihoods that often destroy the very natural resources on which they relay so ecotourism has increasingly been used as the solution and local NGOs must have must have been effectively working as the catalyst between the government local people, private sectors and helping in capacity building and provide long term guidance to the local people that's mostly the NGOs should be working on the local level concerning the benefits and incentives there are except that we are not just presented in Tangkahan only few examples ecotourism operations with significant local economic benefits and also building local management capacity and business skills or actively improve local community in the planning that's all things can is the opportunity for us to build or probably companies or somebody else could develop the tourism industry that professionalize the management of tourism concessions in the national park and things like that so that's the area of weakness that probably can be significantly improved so what is this investment that needed and by whom failure in developing the tourism industry there are two things firstly lack of inherent potential that's probably the area is not potential it's not there is no potential at all for tourism development but the second one probably in connection or with regard to the poor management so this is the things that we have to improve we would like to propose that there are five types of investment that that probably we could explore further the first one that's already developed especially in the national park or in the protected areas Pak Viratno already mentioned investment ecotourism companies that can then take the business management of tourism concession in the national park this is a private companies in the public protected areas that's the first one and that's already developed now the second one probably investment in joint venture public-private partnership particularly between communities and private sector and the governments based on participatory equitable negotiation and I think Robin mentioned the example in Brazil that's an example of a public-private partnership that's already successful in other countries and probably we can the third one investment on chain of ecotourism like hotels related operations with well-designed facilities professional management centralized back office operations and a common promotional strategy to create branding that is synonymous with the highest tourism standards talking about standards that I agree with just now but beyond standards probably we need to something like certification that all operations must be certified and certification schemes and probably leveling needs also guidelines certification schemes is global in concept but local in applications so small scale operations can also be facilitated in this regard and the last one I would like to talk about the transfer knowledge that we have to think globally and act locally that concerted efforts must be done between all stakeholders and NGOs the community and all all tour operators must be working together Thank you very much Do you want to have a cup of coffee or tea but I will ask Pa Asep later if you are allowed to go out and take coffee and tea inside but before doing so I would like to test the water the interaction from the left, from the right and from the middle so three question first to see your interest I myself am not very happy because I still want to hear more about I mentioned just now carrying capacity and then something came up to my mind coming from Sumatra if you start talking with the local community and then on ecotourism oh people in my village immediately oh US dollars oh bule so oh money you know the point is you need to start dealing with expectation usually it's much higher than the initiative and the idea in particular when John said start with the rational or relatively small scale not to be ambitious but when you are consulting people and in my kampong being a batakian my if you try to consult my uncle I have 150 uncles so then so many clan to consult and they are all related some of them are in the park but they are all related to all other families so it's interesting to see because I believe depending on the socioeconomic factor response to the consultation on opening up for investment would be different so that is my questions but I believe it will be embodied somewhere you must be curious can I go to the right wing oh we are going like in parliament in the UK now is that on the right one second in the middle lady ibu second and then on the third I close here so can we go to the first question can we just note the three question first please pelantang you have pelantang suara over there microphone ada oh ya mbak terima kasih selamat siang semuanya Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh saya langsung saja to the point siapa dari mana mbak nama saya pipi noviati sadikin dari universitas sahit people usually see ecotourism as tourism industry because there is a process of sell and buy but in my opinion it is a development process where there is a it is need to to produce or to conduct training or workshop to promote the capacity and therefore people tend to choose ecotourism operator which professional because they see it is a business or industrial sector for example in Lambok, Gunung Rinjani state as Teman Nasional Gunung Rinjani state as ecotourism but in 2017 it achieved until 80,000 people visits there so this is perhaps more than the caring capacity because it is conservation area and catchment area for Lambok island for water and as we know with limited capacity of local community because they have to compete with the professional tracking organization or travel agent who professional to get the guest so as we know with limited capacity of local community people choose to the professional one who come outside there not local community so how to solve this problem I got the question You have another question? Yes with the information technologies at the social media about one location but also about the planning to prepare community as fast as social media viral because people take pictures everywhere and then they get viral in social media and people come people come and the location is overcrowded You got it Dari mana ada dari kiri tengah sosialis lef center lef Oh, on the right center Terima kasih Pa F. Fransa Ya, my name Heru Komarudin from C4 Ya, I would like to focus on the second theme of this panel which is about conservation of biodiversity is nothing to do with the ecotourism but I would like to I think if you talk about conservation of biodiversity we have to go beyond conservation area and also kawasan uta or forest lands I would like to address my question to I think it is important to protect high conservation areas in fragmented areas which is in fact outside outside conservation areas and forest land and based on the study conducted by the Ministry of Environmental and Forestry and I think the Ministry of Marine it is back in 2013 I think they found that 80% of the high conservation is located outside the kawasan conservation so it is and I know that the Directorate General that you are leading is responsible for and now is designing a concept called the ecosystem essential area and you have a very ambitious target 2019 that you will establish 105 million hectare of ecosystem areas and now I think like 23 or something but still but my question is we learn about what you have done in terms of providing guidelines and policies on protecting this area and protecting this high value areas outside conservation areas but we learn that this is we ended up in where this is only voluntary because the regulation that you are I think is still not legally binding or something like and now the Ministry I think is trying to develop another one which is based on the Minister Regulation so my question is just the status of this regulation how do you see the future of the regulation which is still not legally binding no sanction for those failing to protect we got the point we got the question lady in blue please thank you very much Virginia Young from Australia the Australian Rainforest Conservation Society believe it or not we once had quite a lot of rainforest but it's nearly all gone but we still do have some very beautiful forested areas but one of the lessons for me being involved in both conservation and tourism issues in Australia has been that it's important to think about future demand and and your future natural assets not just the assets you've got now but how are you going to not maintain their resilience improve their resilience and and build your future natural asset base for biodiversity and ecotourism I think it goes to the heart of one of the issues you were talking about you were talking about carrying capacity in terms of the number of people that you can sustainably bring into natural areas but there's a just as fundamental question about the carrying capacity of the natural area if it's isolated so it's not about people it's about isolation whether it's hemd in if areas are hemd in by cities and a lot of development should you be planning now for how to restore areas that build connections between existing protected areas buffer and improve resilience of those protected areas and integrating that with your tourism strategies your carbon and other community development strategies you really do have an extraordinary landscape just that little film that was shown at the beginning I have never as an Australian contemplated visiting Indonesia I've been to Bali every Australians been to Bali but very few actually come here and experience wild nature in Indonesia so I'm sitting here asking myself why is that and I think it's partly because I associate Indonesia with the death of orangutans and the loss of forest to palm oil and so I associate Indonesia with damage so I think it's really important to shift that picture that Indonesia actually cares for its natural world it has beautiful landscapes and it has people who are proud of them and that as a western visitor or a developed country visitor we can come here and help local communities so to me this has actually been very revealing but I would encourage because the lessons from Australia is if you have isolated parks that aren't connected where you don't focus on the resilience of the natural underpinnings the parks fail and your natural asset fails Thank you ma'am you talk about resilience and then you immediately remind me on the challenge of great barrier current great barrier challenge is very pertinan to that issues and that's because we have the fourth highest deforestation rate in the world at the moment in Queensland Queensland and that's government regulation change that has not been fixed and so it's not just climate change impacting the reef, it's land clearing it's all of these other degrading forces taking out one of the world's great natural wonders Thank you for sharing so I got three questions as expected but let us be a bit generous for one more extra questions on the left one more Thank you Mr. Affranca My name is Rifki I'm from Indonesia Ecotourism Network in Decon because our our working site is mentioned two times in Tangkahan and also in forest I would like to sharing and ask some question My first question is almost the same it's about how much is too much because it's about the asset in ecotourism is we talk about the mountain we talk about the forest we talk about the wildlife and in here in Indonesia we have a lot of pressure to the asset from other activity but now it's not only from other activity but also from tourism itself so I would like Pak Wirhao to deal with this situation especially when Indonesian government now set 10 national priority destination tourism destination and several is in national park and they target a lot of number visitor come to that national park like as in Komodo and Wakatobi and Thousand Island National Park the second question maybe to Robin interpret it's about the market is how you now internet is influence a lot to the market about social media in here the influence of social media then a lot of young visitor came to the park mostly is to just come take a picture upload and then leave I don't know in your market but with the internet internet influence so big how do you manage your market that can contribute to the location in sustainable way to the location when you visit in sustainable way the other is about the capacity our encoding experience the capacity is very important and also it's not only about if because we develop in the local community to develop the tourism but it's not also about local community it's also about local government and park management so increased capacity is very important and the biggest challenge in our experience in develop a tourism site at community level is about the manage the business the location the impact of the tourism about the local organization that is the biggest challenge thank you very much we should applause you because you have a very lively and not easy questions do you want all of us to respond so we want to be a bit more efficient we gonna deal with it as much as we can and I know you cannot hide from me among you there are few if not many resource person I don't know why you hiding not be speaker here but I gonna visit you bit later and I start mobilizing my resources here with three of us trying to satisfy as much as we can and then we will see and then if you cannot I'll take care of the rest so Paween Arna first because there is a questions of protecting voluntary guidelines and the new regulation and the high feeling of a high target of national target for promoting ecotourism number of tourism etc can you deal with that Paween and any others I think I ecotourism and protected areas have to be very carefully we cannot follow the target of the minister of tourism going to the summit there must be there must be there must be kota or climbing the summit for instance I think I don't know if they are climbing to the summit ecotourism or not in Tangkahan it is not only because of the history of conflict in 70s they are illegal lokers in 80s they are illegal lokers in 90s they are still illegal lokers and started in 2000 there is a big change because awareness of the local champion and at the very beginning they can help work with us in Tangkahan so Tangkahan is not only in my belief I know because I work with them for 3 years that they are not only selling selling the nature but they protecting the asset that is the message from Tangkahan and there is a layer of awareness of the local people that they will not go into the jungle and cutting the trees never because we aware that we have to protect the nature not only because of the money not because of the benefit sharing or whatever because we love the nature in Tangkahan you can googling Tangkahan ecotourism Tangkahan managed by local Sata Tangkahan that the message carrying capacity of course there is a big problem everywhere so we have to discuss this into very detail and we don't have also the standardization of the guiding in Tangkahan ecotourism is very diverse but it is our concern the ecosystem essential yes it is now in the process the government the ministerial regulation coming soon for ecosystem essential problem that even though we have 27.1 million hectare of protected area system many wildlife stay outside the protected area system like almost 80% of orangutan in Central Kalimantan not in the living not in the protected area system that is the problem habitat loss and everything the problem apalagi tadi i think i answer all this question but yeah we need we will have a guideline on ecosystem essential but very soon but the problem is not only the guideline the problem is how we develop awareness at all level to work with our manage in collaboration of all those sensitive area habitat very important habitat so we work right now with the private sector we work with local NGOs like somebody said is not enough the national NGO but we have to strengthen the local that is very important thank you i wonder whether we are allowed to get coffee sorry okay the committee said that we are going to continue until 9pm i don't know we can get last without coffee anyway so my two other colleague here will help me to deal with other questions but if there are still then we go to the Indonesian forces Indonesian speakers okay i wanted to talk a little bit about the questions relating to how to manage capacity i think managing capacity will be it already is but it will be the biggest challenge in the tourism business in the years to come the reason for this and we are already seeing it in many parts of the world and particularly in Asia as two of the biggest countries in the world are harnessing their energy to travel namely China and India we are seeing massive inbound tourism numbers particularly in countries in Asia and i think the only way that it can be managed is when large conversations start to happen some countries in the world have already started to tackle these issues about overcapacity by actually limiting the number of people allowed to certain national parks and destinations on a daily and annual basis so for example in Uganda in the Bawandi in Penitabu Forest only four groups of eight people 32 people a day are allowed to trek to see the gorillas so it you have to pay for that privilege of course but it is about governments trying to not just governments also communities and private institutions finding that balance between protecting the resource for the long term lead to making a quick buck today another example in Peru one of the most famous sites in the world in Machu Picchu there are only a certain number of permits allowed to track the Inca Trail and they also close it for one month in the year to do maintenance so only 500 people a day are allowed on the trail and in addition they have also limited the number of people who can actually enter the site each day as well so and so over a day I think the limit is around 7000 people which is still a lot of people but at least it's a government that's trying to understand that to preserve the site the archaeological site for the future they can't carry the number of people that demand would actually have go through there so I think it's similar we talked about the importance of communities communities also have to decide how much tourism is going to be enough how are they going to control and protect not only their environment but actually also their own lives because over tourism destroys culture as well it can destroy family life it can have a really negative effect on children as well so you know we need to find this balance between improving livelihoods but actually also having too much and I think they're the hard conversations that we need to have at the access when you're at the planning stages because sometimes greed if you like the desire to make too much revenue from tourism will destroy the very thing that tourists come to see in the first place so I think that's the caution that we need to think about and governments need to be brave enough to put those plans in place as well Thank you I was struck by the 80,000 visits and I go back to measurements if we look at this definition and we think here that it's environmentally responsible that it has low visitor impact and that it is beneficially active socioeconomic involvement and local people you can't measure one indicator of success if it's true ecotourism you have to measure four or five indicators is the biodiversity stable or improving is the community is it more equitable is it more productive and beneficial you always have to think in terms of a holistic measurement program even the communication is the social media is it ecotourism then it'd be beneficial if it's destructive then we're not doing ecotourism so we always got to think about measuring and be measuring those all the time and agreeing on those indicators by the way at the community level I think we are dealing mostly and then do and don't and the role of the government Lady in blue just now asking I mean touching upon the idea more detail on forecast and planning I just want to ask one question I want to ask one interesting question to the panel as a journalist now I'll step back to journalism if you preserve a certain animal or biodiversity but you destroy the social fabric of the community have you succeeded you understand if I can get it if we preserve for example Japanese labor what is your question right it's a good question but sir we protect a species but with the expense of social in social expenses probably this is on the Director General of Kaiser DIA's work on how we can balance between conservation and social I think Indonesia is working on how conservation is should not undermine the social or people things that's I'm not quite sure how we we can be working on this particular part but social and conservation must be done in parallel way okay no it's intriguing question from John to me if there is a question for single horn rhino berjula satu jawa they need larger habitat we don't have much space in jawa so then we remove rhino to other place or we remove some of the javanese or Sundanese so this is an intriguing question so how far we find and what is the best approach for trading of this because in an extreme area decision has to be made have you think about that javan rhino we cannot value biodiversity there is many approach on that for instance one orangutan living cost per month is 3 million rupiah per individu in the rehabilitation center now we have 1000 orangutan in the rehabilitation center because of habitat loss because of everything so this is the cost of losing the habitat in central kalimantan 2.2 million ha of palm oil 2.2 million ha palm oil almost 0.5 million ha used to be in the habitat of orangutan so this is the problem we face right now the real problem and protected area surrounded by 6000 more than 6000 villages so the only way as we have to work with the local whatever the cost takes time need strong leadership like in tankahan it's been 17 years tankahan now and survive we got PNBP revenue from tankahan is about 300 million rupiah 300 juta ya berapa itu per year very small but the money going around the 2 villages because of the ecotourism is more than 10 billion rupiah 10 billion now the question what about the carrying capacity what about the sensitive area is come up to tankahan and other places so back to Javan Rhino we have a plan to move to other place but it is not easy because there are also the problem with the local people and the army use the area for training so it is not easy and Sarawak they will very soon lost the rhino so Sabah and they ask me to to to get the semen for the sperm to be stipulated in vitro in vitro program now this is a lot of effort and takes a lot of money for that because we lost the habitat this is our real problem right now our problems it is not an easy answer and there is no straightforward recipe for that it is a struggle I always remember coffee but apparently you are not so I need to entertain you if you don't like coffee then I think I will sneak out myself out to find coffee and you continue debating so I have other 3 reserve contingency plan to respond to you other 3 other speakers and I hope you have hot questions ask about animals Harimau jadijadian Harimau punya whatever is exciting questions but don't worry we have time we will go until 9pm so we go to the front first I see the lady in red and then I go to the back another ladies are you standing up for raising question or for coffee so I am coming out for the coffee I think we should allow people at the back to quietly take out go out and take coming back with the coffee and then otherwise let's stay no democracy no coffee for you first question and then the second from the back please all ladies 2 ladies thank you my name is Amy I'm from Nature Conservancy well regarding what you've been talking about for example conserving even the national park on animals and everything it need cost I'm just curious is there any of you already applied carbon offset for any tourism activities for offsetting their footprints for example from Australia to Bali just to to cover all the cost that you've been or the cost you need to preserve the national park or even the animals I'm just curious you are referring to ecological footprint not carbon footprint at least for any conservation activities if it is not applied yet I'm just curious to you whether you're going to have any policies to cover this thank you people love policies they think policies will do many good things I don't like the idea ok never bring question ya thank you for the opportunity my name is Ani Nawir I'm with C4 policy again Pak ecotourism usually should be part of the riparda master plan for ecotourism regional master plan for ecotourism but I've seen in many area riparda has not been developed or is not there yet I think it's under the coordination of the tourism ministry I think or Dinas and so how is the coordination for developing the integrated riparda master plan for ecotourism that taking into account all of this carrying capacity also the visibility of this natural resources and also the socio-economic impacts and benefits and ya because in our project site in Zumbawa we try make a partnership also with Kapeha the FMU to develop this ecotourism base ecotourism so is there any regulations already on that so probably this is something that also related to the guidelines and everything so we are in the safe corridors to develop this in partnerships and how about it's related with the committee in conservation is it really ecotourism is really something that also will be managed under the partnerships for conservations that will be initiated by the director general under your authority thank you I'll just quickly talk to the carbon question as a business Intrepid was probably the first company in the world to carbon offset all of our trips for all of our travelers so we started carbon offsetting in 2010 we measure the carbon emissions on all of our trips and then we included in the pricing all of our offices are also carbon neutral with the carbon offset then we invested in various projects such as REWD project in Africa and green energy projects in Turkey and other parts of the world where we travel so I believe that it's a pretty simple solution actually for other companies once you've developed the methodology to do the measurement on the trips and you have to get down to quite a lot of detail it's not actually then a very difficult job to apply it across the business for a number of travelers so it's a way that we can give back and make sure that we're taking responsibility well I think because I represent as one of the travel agency so actually well it is not common yet but actually for us we already start to measure the carbon offset ecologically so actually we applied into our tours so every tours that we especially every tour that we go on a car we plan 1-3 and then also if we if we go on a motorbike 2 motorbikes 1-3 I think it is again it is one of the very little step then we we do it we already started and we started since 2013 so that's why it will become one of the responsible travel for especially from the world Asia so I think in Indonesia we did we started already only in the travel bureau it is not common yet but I'm sure in the in the future it will be more and more Thank you Thank you, Pak. My answer is not directly related to biodeversiti offset or carbon offset but probably it relates to crowdfunding kehati has an experience in raising funds from the crowd probably it can be applied to ecotourism as well Examples of kehati yang telah berlaku dalam Sulawesi kita berjumpa dengan Alphalmart dan setiap perjalanan di Alphalmart mungkin kita boleh meminta perubahan kecil yang boleh bagi contoh berkongsi dan perkara yang baik adalah dalam 8 minggu kita boleh akumulasi sekitar 8 bilion rupiah untuk konservasi Dano Tondano di Sulawesi ini adalah perkara yang kecil tapi kita dapat membuat perubahan kecil daripada perubahan ini adalah perubahan kecil mungkin perkara yang kecil boleh digunakan dalam aktiviti ecotourisme atau industri seperti di hotel dari perjalanan dan sebagainya kita boleh mempunyai skim yang sama terima kasih boleh saya saya bukan expert tapi cuba menjadi ideal sebelum anda membuat apa yang anda buat dan bagaimana ini patut menjadi perubahan ada hanya dua perubahan dalam hidup satu adalah perubahan common dan kedua adalah perubahan scientific saya beri anda contoh nasalis larvatus anda tahu apa itu? monyet bekantan dutch monkey atau orang Belanda itu sangat sensitif untuk sesuatu perkara jika anda membuat perubahan di pada masa yang sama datang ke hidup mereka kerana melihat bekantan adalah awal-awal sebelum mereka pergi tidur bersama wanita kerana ini hanya monkey dengan haram super polygamis jadi itu adalah masa dan sebab itu dengan apa itu? jalan jauh untuk mengetahui masa dan melihat sebuah area dan bahagian ini mempunyai kemahiran untuk hidup ini haram jadi perubahan yang menarik jika anda ingin melihat Irawadi Dolfin di Kalimantan Tengah anda perlu mengadap kemahiran di kerana mereka sangat sensitif suara suara dan sebagainya jadi sebab itu anda mempunyai sebab itu, anda mempunyai berapa banyak dan berita baik dari Robin sejauh sebab kemahiran Gorilla di Afrika mereka beritahu 32 ini sudah cukup untuk hari lebih baik mereka mempunyai lebih tinggi daripada banyak orang mempunyai sebuah kemahiran yang terbuka seperti di Pahinong anda masih suka kemahiran yang terbuka jadi ia sesuatu yang anda percaya sesetengah perkara anda tidak tahu anda percaya sebuah kemahiran perkara yang mungkin anda tahu dengan kemahiran common anda boleh mulakan dan kemudian memperbaiki kemahiran itu adalah kemahiran saya tentangnya mereka berpunyai mempunyai anda mempunyai ya, okey terima kasih saya hanya menikmati yang anda telah beritahu itu sebuah kemahiran yang kita perlu menghubungkan dengan apabila kita tidak mempunyai kemahiran sainsia atau kemahiran sainsia atau sebagainya kita perlu memperkenalkan sebuah kemahiran jadi kemahiran kemahiran kita melihat dalam kemahiran ini seperti di Taman Nasional Gunung Gede Pang Rangau yang penyelamatkan orang-orang yang mungkin penyelamatkan dalam sebuah malam ia mereka beritahu sebuah berapa? 600 orang 600 orang ini harus kita melihat dan kita perlu mempunyai setiap hari apa kemahiran 500 orang? ada kemahiran yang teruk dari 500 orang? jika ialah kemahiran kita perlu seperti itu jika kita tidak mempunyai data kita tidak mempunyai informasi informasi sainsia juga di Taman Nasional Taman Nasional di Malaysia mungkin kita perlu memperkenalkan sehingga 2-3 tahun untuk memperkenalkan Taman Nasional itu perkara yang menghadapi kemahiran terima kasih iya, kita akan sampai 9 p.m saya sangka anda ingin melihat lebih awal lebih awal hari ini tapi sejak keadaan saya memperkenalkan anda, saya perlu tinggal tapi saya sudah mempunyai kopi saya okey, lewat, ada 2 perempuan di red ya? tolong oh, ada sesuatu? ya tolong, jangan lakukannya anda akan mempunyai kopi anda iya, pergi hi, nama saya Gay saya telah hidup saya bekerja kenapa? saya tanya tidak mengapa tadi? sudah, sudah ada, utang saya okey saya telah hidup di Kalimantan Indonesia Borneo selama 10 tahun memperkenalkan kursi ekotourism saya tanya tentang keadaan diberikan kursi ekotourism dari perniagaan dan saya rasa tiba-tiba kedua-duanya tidak berguna bersama dan saya rasa pasti jika anda bercakap dengan NGO tentang perniagaan walaupun perniagaan ekotourism, ia masih perniagaan saya sangat suka melihat NGO dan perniagaan datang bersama untuk memperkenalkan perniagaan ekotourism sebagai perniagaan kita ada PTA dan saya ada perniagaan perniagaan yang lain dan saya sangat berminat tentang bagaimana anda perlukan untuk memperkenalkan kita memperkenalkan perniagaan kita. Ia sangat susah untuk memperkenalkan perniagaan ekotourism di Pulangkariya sebagai perniagaan perniagaan di perniagaan ekotourism kita dapat mendengar banyak orang, tetapi ia adalah semua perniagaan kita semua perniagaan kita dan sekarang kita ada perniagaan yang telah diperkenalkan. Kita memperkenalkan 3 perniagaan saya minta maaf saya sangat lama saya akan datang ke perniagaan pertanyaan saya adalah sekarang kita memperkenalkan diri kita kita memperkenalkan perniagaan ekotourism kita memperkenalkan perniagaan yang hebat tetapi sekarang apabila kita mahu memperkenalkan perniagaan yang sangat menarik untuk memperkenalkan perniagaan yang hebat dan ingin memperkenalkan yang sangat menarik seperti perniagaan yang tersebut bahawa kita sebenarnya perlukan banyak investasi kita sedang memperkenalkan kerana kita memperkenalkan perniagaan yang hebat dengan membuat perniagaan yang hebat bagaimana kita dapat dukungan dari dan kita membuat pelajar dunia yang terkenal yang mengembangkan pengalaman yang penting. Terima kasih Pak Viratno. Saya dapat merasakan keadaan bagaimana orang mencintai anda di sini. Jadi boleh anda berkongsi dengan dua soalan? Ya, dari Mbak. Anak, siapa Mbak? Siapa namanya? Mbak, Nabi. Mbak Ani. Masalah... ...pengalaman pembentangan, ya? Ribda, ya. Ribda, apa yang kita perlukan adalah... ...yang penting untuk semua jenis pembentangan adalah... ...bagaimana anda berkomunikasi pembentangan. Saya percaya botom-potom pembentangan adalah yang terbaik. Masalah ribda adalah... ...kita berkongsi sebagai projek. Tidak ada jalan. Saya merasakan projek. Sebab anda lupa prosesnya. Macam mana orang membuangkan idea anda. Macam mana sektor lain membuangkan idea kita. Seperti saya dan pembentangan... ...pengalaman pembentangan. Mereka tak peduli tentang... ...pengalaman masalah kita. Mereka mahu mempunyai pembentangan... ...dan turisme. Tetapi, saya menurut saya... ...pengalaman pembentangan dan pembentangan adalah... ...tidak berbeza. Mereka perlu berkongsi dengan orang tempat. Mereka perlu mendapatkan... ...pengalaman pembentangan orang tempat. Pembentangan adalah satu-satunya. Ada dua pembentangan di sana. Pada kisah tangkainya saya menulis... ...dalam pembentangan saya. Ada banyak kisah tangkainya. Pembentangan sangat penting untuk kita... ...sebab hanya untuk memuatkan kesilapan sama... ...pada masa yang sama... ...di tempat yang sama. Bukan mudah mempunyai pembentangan... ...dan mendapatkan sokongan daripada pembentangan. Sebab itulah saya mempunyai... ...pengalaman tangkainya. Pembentangan tangkainya mempunyai... ...pengalaman pembentangan yang baru... ...dalam pembentangan kisah tangkainya... ...dan pembentangan kisah tangkainya... ...punyai pembentangan dengan pembentangan. Sangat mudah... ...untuk berkata, tapi susah. Dalam pengalaman saya, kita perlu mempunyai... ...pengalaman tangkainya... ...dalam pembentangan kisah tangkainya. Apabila kita mempunyai... ...pengalaman tangkainya... ...dia dapat membuangkan idea... ...dan kita mempunyai persiapan... ...dan kita membuatnya bersama-sama... ...sebab kita tidak dapat membuatnya bersama-sama. Itu adalah mesej. Sudah, ya. Saya rasa... ...dalam pembentangan kisah tangkainya... ...mereka mempunyai... ...pengalaman tangkainya... ...saya tidak pernah memikirkan pembentangan mereka. Itu adalah pengalaman saya. Dan saya... ...saya hanya melakukannya sebagai pembentangan... ...pada masa itu... ...saya pembentangan. Saya adalah kawan awak. Mari kita lakukannya. Apa yang orang lokala perlukan adalah... ...kawan awak. Dan kebanyakan pembentangan mereka... ...saya tidak pernah melakukannya sebagai pembentangan. Itu masalahnya. Ada banyak... Apa itu? Situasi yang salah. Apabila kita duduk bersama dan dengar... ...Pajon...Pajon, ya... ...pengalaman tangkainya tidak bercakap seperti saya. Pengalaman tangkainya... ...pengalaman tangkainya adalah dengar. Tapi masalahnya... ...dia ada... ...pengalaman yang baru... ...untuk Birokrat... ...untuk dengar. Penerbangan tidak ini? Itu masalah kita di Birokrasi... ...dan pembentangan... ...saya selalu beritahu perkara. Pembentangan tidak pernah melakukannya. Itu masalahnya. Apabila kita mengubah... ...kerja dengan komuniti lokala... ...saya mulai membeli perhatian... ...dan perhatian... ...dan perhatian. Akhirnya. Sebelum 17 tahun... ...pengalaman tangkainya... ...pengalaman tangkainya. Walaupun sekarang... ...pengalaman tangkainya. Dan akhirnya... ...kita menjadi keluarga ekstended. Bukan hanya di tangkainya... ...serta di mana-mana. Dengan komuniti lokala. Terima kasih. Terima kasih, Pak. Sekarang saya faham kenapa orang suka kamu. Boleh saya tanya sesuatu? Ada sesiapa dari restorasi ekosistem? Tiada siapa? Ah, Op Agus. Boleh saya beri kamu keperluan... ...untuk berbicara... ...potensi ekoturisme di sebuah kawal? Tolonglah. Identifikan diri dulu. Dia teman saya. Saya sangat menghargai... ...pada masa yang kamu beri kepada saya. Jadi nama saya Agus. Saya bersama Burung Indonesia. Burung Indonesia? Ya, burung, budaknya. Kita ada... ...rekonselasi kawal di Sumatra. Ia berada sekitar 98,000 hektar. Ia berhasil di sebuah kawal. Ia bukan area protektif. Tapi ia boleh dikatakkan... ...sebagai kawal 6 dari IUC dan area protektif. Tapi bila-bila. Teruskan pertanyaan dari P. Efran. Ya, ekoturisme... ...tidak hanya dalam kawal kita... ...yang dipanggil Hutan Harapan... ...tapi juga dalam beberapa... ...rekonselasi ekosistem. Ia menjadi sebuah kawal... ...potensi sebuah kawal. Mungkin untuk orang yang... ...rekonselasi ekosistem baru. Ini adalah kawal baru di Indonesia... ...pada kawal produksi. Jadi, kita boleh membuat kawal produksi... ...tapi bukan untuk melukis... ...kawal konservasi dan restorasi. Jadi, kita perlu membuat rekonselasi... ...untuk kita dapat terus... ...operasi atau menerima kawal kawal. Jadi, kita mencari... ...kawal perniagaan perniagaan perniagaan... ...untuk membuat rekonselasi... ...kawal ini adalah ekoturisme, tentu saja. Kawal yang kita ada... ...tidak... ...tidak mencari... ...kawal kegiatan atau kegiatan ekoturisme... ...pada kawal kita... ...pada kawal yang sangat susah. Bukan sebab kawal remot. Kawal kita hanya 3 jam... ...dengan kawal jambi... ...dan 3 jam akan di tempat kita... ...dengan kemasan yang baik. Tapi, saya rasa... ...kawal yang terbesar adalah... ...kawal ada atreksan di sana. Kita ada hidup... ...kawal ada atreksan... ...tapi tentu saja... ...tidak seperti safari di Afrika... ...di mana anda boleh pergi ke sana... ...dan melihat ayah dan jira... ...tidak mencari anda. Bukan mudah. Sebenarnya, sebab kawal terbesar... ...kawal terbesar... ...kawal ada atreksan... ...pada kawal kawal... ...tidak mencari... ...tidak mencari... ...atreksan dan atreksan. Mereka ada atreksan. Jadi mengejaukan... ...atreksan yang kita ada di atas kawal... ...tidak mencari. Sebab atreksan... ...mereka akan melihat atreksan... ...tidak mencari informasi... ...tidak mencari jurnal... ...tidak mencari tempat... ...di mana mereka dapat mengejaukan... ...atreksan, alaf, reynos. Jadi, sangat kena mengejaukan... ...atreksan yang anda ada di kawal. Pernah kawal... ...beri kembali... ...untuk jemput daripada Robin... ...satap-satap yang anda mengelakannya... ...bukan tentang atreksan... ...tidak mencari atreksan yang baik. You cannot expect people... ...from Europe coming to my forest... ...just to visit forest... ...and stay there for 5 days... ...and just having relax maybe. If that is the case... ...I may need to be a... ...a establishing spa, for example. Sebenarnya, apabila saya bercakap dengan beberapa perempuan dari Singapura, apabila mereka akan berusia 5 daun di kawasan saya, mereka berkata, saya boleh bawa keluarga saya bersama ke kawasan saya, tetapi beberapa kami akan perlukan masjid, spa dan sebagainya. Sudah tentu, kami tidak mempunyai perniagaan dan sebagainya. Jadi, keadaan sangat penting. Tetapi, saya rasa, kami yang berjalan di ekotorisme akan sangat susah untuk mempunyai perniagaan yang baik. Kerana, Weerato baru beritahu tentang sokongan dari kawasan lain. Perniagaan sangat bergantung pada infrastruktur. Ia adalah perkara yang baik bahawa tidak ada di Indonesia, mempunyai banyak perniagaan yang baik, tetapi perniagaan tidak cukup untuk mempunyai ekotorisme. Jadi, perniagaan sangat bergantung untuk kami, untuk menjawab kawasan anda. Kerana itu di luar kawasan kita, dan keadaan yang baik, tetapi kami perlu berhati-hati dengan menggunakan untuk mempromosikan keadaan, kerana ia akan membalikkan anda dalam keadaan negatif. Terima kasih. Terima kasih, Pak Agus. Saya benar-benar mengerti perniagaan ekotorisme dalam konteks perniagaan biadipusti, bahkan perniagaan biadipusti, kerana apabila saya seronok sebagai CEO WF Indonesia selama enam tahun, dan saya tahu tempat ini membutuhkan perniagaan biadipusti untuk mengubah kemudian bagaimana untuk menghubungi. Walaupun untuk memperbaiki dan melindungi perniagaan, anda sudah mulakan dengan perniagaan biadipusti dan cuba memperbaiki apa-apa perniagaan biadipusti dan perniagaan biadipusti atau perniagaan biadipusti untuk masuk ke dalam. Saya rasa sedikit penat, tetapi saya merasakan dan menerima anda, bahawa anda masih ingin mempunyai orang-orang ini sebagai perniagaan biadipusti. Boleh saya bertanya dua pertanyaan yang terakhir sebelum menyeramkan semua orang untuk pergi ke Malia Boro lepas tengah hari ini? Jadi... lelaki-lelaki di sini sangat kelihatan. Mereka tidak bercakap. Lelaki-lelaki yang hanya mempunyai kopi, tetapi saya merasakan energi. Tolonglah, lelaki-lelaki di belakang. Untuk lelaki-lelaki di Boro lepas tengah hari ini dan semua orang yang berada di sini, nama saya Delia Pondruti Abang Batat, yang telah dibuat oleh Wido Batat. Dan ibu saya adalah penggunaan pertama pada tahun 1982, dan saya dapat mengajukkan dengan dua hektar atau pahamol dan dapat keluar dari environment orang-orang. Jadi saya masih ada. Tapi bila-bila saya kembali ke sebuah turisme, pilihan saya adalah, sejak saya kembali 50, saya menjadi lebih patriotik. Saya pergi ke sekolah di Indonesia dan melihat sekolah. Dan segala jenis turisme, saya rasa bukan pilihan yang lebih baik. Jadi saya rasa jika kita melakukan turisme sebuah turisme, bahawa pemerintahnya akan mempunyai lebih banyak regulasi yang akan membuat berbeza untuk orang-orang sendiri. Ia adalah orang Indonesia. Jika anda membangun turisme di mana-mana, saya berada di Tanjung Puting dan tempatnya sangat cantik. Tapi saya bercakap dengan orang-orang yang bekerja di sana. Berapa banyak orang Utan yang berada di konservisinya, 5,000? Berapa besar konservisinya? 1,5 milion hektar. Apa yang berkontribusi dari sebuah turisme di sana? Tiada apa-apa. Kita hanya memiliki turisme seperti saya untuk melihat orang Utan. Jadi saya tidak melihat kebebasan bagaimana kita melindungi atau mempromosikan orang Utan semasa orang Indonesia atau pekerja di sana membuat 3,000,000,000 atau lebih kurang daripada sepanjang bulan. Jadi saya rasa pemerintahnya sebaik-baik-baiknya sebaik-baiknya sebaik-baiknya sebaik-baiknya sebaik-baiknya sebaik-baiknya sebaik-baiknya sebaik-baiknya sebaik-baiknya jika anda memuliki turisme di sebuah area yang remut anda harus dipercayai 20% kembali kepada orang di sekitar itu jadi mereka akan lebih baik jadi mereka boleh beli goreng atau mungkin minyak dan buat perkara lain. Jadi saya adalah perempuan filentropi. Saya beli 2,500 hektar di Borneo yang 7 km dari Wara Tewe dan saya terapkan oleh Ibu Siti 3 hari lalu sebab saya tak tahu apa-apa tentang konferensi forest dan dia tanya saya untuk meletakkan pakaian saya di luar yang dipanggil sayang N02 ini hanya untuk orang-orang tahu apa kata-kata 3 pakaian yang digunakan dalam pakaian remu kita tak ada orang utang kita tak ada apa-apa saya hanya ada jika kita boleh bawa lebih daripada gembira jadi saya sangat bermanfaat untuk membantu atau bercakap tetapi hati saya sangat dan saya sebenarnya melihat Agus dari Borung dan saya jumpa dia semalam dan dia beritahu saya apa yang awak lakukan adalah sangat noble tetapi saya tak perlukan noble saya harap saya boleh membuatnya berbeza dan terutamanya saya sangat berminat tentang ekotorisme bahawa perempuan yang melihat lebih daripada orang-orang orang-orang yang buruk orang-orang yang buruk tak boleh menjelaskan dengan UMR kita perlu mengubah kehidupan jadi jika awak pergi ke sana awak patut menghubungkan sedikit perkembangan awak seperti plasma jadi orang-orang akan... Terima kasih banyak, Delia terima kasih banyak jadi jika saya boleh beri keputusan kepada perempuan awak anda ingin kita berbincang tentang keputusan yang terbaik mengambil komuniti tempat yang berlaku dan kenapa kemungkinan dari ekotorisme dalam keadaan saya rasa itu cara saya menyebabkan pertanyaan awak dan terima kasih untuk keputusan yang awak menerima kerana ia adalah konkrit dan benar dan saya pergi ke nebring dan saya berterima kasih kerana ini bukan perempuan yang berlaku seperti yang lain Helo, semua nama saya Dixon John saya dengan Serawak Planted Forest daripada Malaysia sebenarnya di Asia actually my question is directed to Dr. Samedi just now you talk about the possibility of the community to be changed when a lot of these visitors coming into the areas visiting for ecotorism and what not I may not have 150 uncles back in the village but probably 161 of the aunties will have a different reaction to how they would receive these visitors because when you think about it Asian cultures are very friendly and all of them whether you are Thailand, Thais or Malaysians, Indonesians they are very receptive of visitors coming into their culture but when you have two different cultures being in contact they are bound to be changes one will influence the other and Dr. Samedi based on your experience how has the local communities that you have encountered react to this kind of context and also leading to my second question is that how do we go about and address social readiness because we all know that each one of these communities are very different in their own right and each one have their own needs to address and to bring himself into that so we got two questions are you ready to deal with the first one from my sister Aria No, I was just thinking listening to everyone today and I didn't represent that my thinking has changed a little bit in this conversation I thought it was really good so thank you to everyone that had their interventions equal tourism this is conception particularly in the west it's good it's always good it's good people they care about wildlife they care about communities but maybe not always and I think you need strong government and I think the government has to to decide if we looked at all those assets maybe some of them you shouldn't develop for equal tourism I think his point was very very good he must have left but you know equal tourism isn't always good it can be good but it has to be carefully done it has to be in consultation with the community it has to benefit the community but it's not a panacea I mean you can make some huge mistakes and if you just let businesses go out all over the place and say they're equal tourism I think they're going to mess up a lot of stuff I don't know I put that back to you is equal tourism always good? Thank you Pa Diction from Malaysia I just would like to show that or to present that equal tourism or tourism it could affect the social social value social behavior or whatever at the local level small change or I have experience in in Lampung in Taman National Wakambas National Park we have local NGOs there working with local people the local people used to be very friendly but when we develop tourism industry the people start to change their behavior like they already commercialize everything will be counted as money that's one small change that we identified as if we just follow that way then probably the change will be getting bigger and bigger that's what we we have to to be aware about that and don't go further over bad change in behavior that's what actually our point in our presentation social readiness that's what I would like to present in our talk that visitors can bring everything like our experience in Ache for example the local community don't want receive any foreign visitors this is our experience in Rawasingil Trumon just a bit north of Rawasingil game reserve in Ache they only wanted local visitors they still think that foreign visitors are probably in their mind bad things to the local this kind of thinking of behavior need to be our thing our thinking is that we we provide the people with everything that they need in socially or scientifically and that's our experience in working for several years in Sumatra, thank you I intend to wrap up soon and adjourn but you look at me horrifyingly that you disagree so okay as an intermezzo I recognize two old friend of mine who came all along from Japan from the International Tropical Timber Organization I just saw Dr. Ma and then Dr. Steven Johnson I wonder if they want to make any intervention on ecotourism Steve are you still there you are no longer there Dr. Ma no one anybody else from ecosystem restoration no one so then we go again to public one last question 1 million dollar okay please you got the second one we were talking about certifying right certification I we've actually our business won an award as a responsible operator do you think it might be good if ecotourism operators actually also certified in this way is there any no this will be the last question because paagus shortly please promise me because otherwise I will charge you more come on guidelines on sustainable tourism in protected areas maybe that will be good for those practicing because this best practice guideline actually developed by practitioners so the title is best practice guidelines on sustainable tourism in protected areas you just google it and I'm sure you will have the pdf file thank you i think we need that let's do it with me no more discussion let's do it in tangkang do it in zambaloon and do it in other places for certification it is very important our effort at the one hand is serving serving the protecting the forest but also in the other case educate local there are many local guide even in bromo there are many illegal intruder encroachers brought by the local guide this is very bad in rinjani everywhere just now in one hiker dies he died because he had a new tracking without any notice to us so this is a bad practice so standardization guiding is very important thank you i just want to talk to the question about certification i think there are many already out there certifications that you can apply for as businesses but i think the important thing is that in many cases there's not a lot of rigour around the certification so i think it's important that if we're going to develop a best practice certification that's globally recognized that it needs to have some scientific measure and some real evaluation metrics to support it i am forced to invite to balance here my two other speakers to say few last words okay thank you for me as a practitioner and also represents for the associations of travel agency in Indonesia here however ecotourism is one of the way to protect the environments and also protect area itself but then also the involvement of the local people again and again it is very important so mainly what we would like to say and emphasize don't forget local people okay the ecotourism is news of the biodiversity as i said before and then the high potential biodiversity is still remind in the protected area of course we should take care to about the biodiversity reminding because if all biodiversity in Indonesia lost we cannot have anything thank you pak burning question or burning statement follow on certification that's what we we propose in my presentation certification if it is agreed and will be applied it must be tailored or must be designed in such a way so very small enterprises can also be facilitated thank you i will not conclude we had a rich exchange of views surprisingly the flow response very well with very different background and we talk about conceptual thinking we talk since in particular ecotourism is a juvenile ideas introduced in the country and there are some limited lesson and we heard some concrete suggestion towards do and don't and then we got a sign of some disadvantages and then potential way to go forward including certification and a better distribution of benefit and we heard a lot of challenges from your rich experience I take the liberty being your moderator to adjourn 15 minutes earlier in respect of the demise roughing male rhino among the 54 remaining single horn rhino of Ujungkulon pass away dead yesterday and necropsy is ongoing we are arranging press releases while entertaining you here and when it comes to one single horn rhino already gone in Vietnam if I'm not mistaken so the one in Ujungkulon is the last frontier for one single horn rhino rhino sondeikus so please bear the sad news with me so with your permission we adjourn the meeting earlier than 5pm as your moderator if you are not happy with me let me know immediately please don't fire me in the social media but if you are happy with me please fire it outside that people can hire me next time anywhere else thank you actually it's the imitation of padang padang restaurant thank you very much friends it is really discussion among the family I salute all my panelists here for being very rich and disciplined thank you very much sorry for unjustice 8 minutes although some of you use 10 minutes I hope to see you again and please do not miss Malioboro only after the closing session thank you very much see you again