 So I guess we're talking about sea level rise. Yep. Very cool. There was so much information on the internet about this. I couldn't even pick just one, you know, reliable sort. There are so many. Yeah, it's interesting because, you know, you have like a lot of like what's contributing to sea level rise, but then, you know, you see those stuff are like how it's impacting insurance markets and like real estate, which I think is pretty interesting, like how it's affecting a lot of people. Yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely. Well, I mean, also the sea level rise, I didn't realize that it was both because of the heating of the ocean and because of the glaciers melting. I'm sorry, I just got out of another class in my head. Well, yeah, I didn't realize it was because of both of it and because of the heating of the water. You know, it causes more storm surges and everything like that. So I mean, I guess because of the damage, I can also see how that would impact insurance rates and everything like that. When I was doing my research, I didn't find a solution though. I found that everyone, you know, was just explaining what the problem was and things like the conveyor belt thing, the situation going on. It's very scary, but there was no solution. So I'm like, are we just all going to sink? What's going on? What are we going to do? Yes. Should we invest in boats? Can you explain what the conveyor belt situation is? I haven't heard that term. Yeah. Apparently ice is melting up north, like around Greenland or so. And it's messing up the system of like as a conveyor system in the Atlantic, right? So coming from the eastern coast of America, going towards Africa and stuff like that. So with the glacier melting up north, I believe the water is getting denser and then it's disabling the conveyor belt. Okay. Let's move around pretty much. I hope that was clear. It was a little confusing, but I think about it. Yeah. That's something that I'd always thought, you know, it was just the glaciers melting. But you know, like Emily said, I didn't realize there was like water actually expanding to with the temperature increase. It is interesting. Like a lot of that, there's not a lot of like really concrete solutions. You know, you've got people that retreat and like climate refugees that just have to move to a whole different place entirely. We just got to be scary as anything like your home just like being unlivable. Well, it's kind of, it's funny that we're talking about this because we in here in Houston went through Hurricane Harvey last year. And it was, I've lived here about 40 years and there were places that flooded during this storm that have never flooded before. And, you know, a lot of people still haven't moved back into their homes. So it's, it really put a human face on the whole issue of storm surge and, and it does make you wonder in a city this size, there's like, we're at sea level. There's about 5 million people in the city. You know, what if the sea levels really rise, it's going to affect a lot of people, even if it's just a few, a few inches, right? And I didn't realize when I was doing the research that there was more localized sea level rise, depending on the, the terrain and that kind of thing. I just never thought of it before. As far as the overall level and then that it could be different in certain areas. Yeah. I'm actually, I just pulled up the article that was talking about global and local sea level and how they're two different things, but I mean, they're absolutely terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's, it's, it's wild when you see it on like a local level too. And like people that you know, because I think that really hits home for a lot more people. And I think that's how I think a lot of this communication needs to be spread to people to make them cares. Like showing, you know, people just like them, you know, it's affecting their lives and really putting a strain on their life in general. Right. I think Hurricane Harvey was a huge wake up call for a lot of people here. Yeah. I can imagine. I was in New Jersey when Sandy came by. So that was, yeah, that was pretty scary too. I live in Pennsylvania. So like right on the border of like, uh, New Jersey, like Flemington area, um, and East in Pennsylvania. So I mean, we got a lot of damage too, but you know, it's nothing compared to actual coastal cities and the damage that they got. We just lost power for like two weeks, but even still definitely. Yeah. That was scary. Granted. Right. Especially cities like Miami too. I mean, it's, it's almost as bad as, as well. It's worse than New York, but I, I'm really afraid of what's going to happen. Like, you know, what policies are government officials taking to disable that? Like just to stop the, or to even find a solution, do something about it? Because how are they, like you were talking about, um, these refugees, where are these people going to move to? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not only like where they're going to move, but it affects a ton of stuff like related to cultivation of food crops. Cause a lot of them aren't resistant to like, um, increasing salt levels that you're going to get with a lot of that sea water moving inland. Um, it's just, it's, it's amazing the amount of problems that something like this can cause. Like such a little rise, you know, perceptively, but it's still making a huge impact. I never even thought about the food issue because they're in coastal Houston. There's a lot of rice that's grown and things like that. So I never even thought about that. That's a good point. Right. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You were saying that there was no, you know, real solutions. I think at this point it's just adapting and, you know, trying to figure out how we can live like this. It's only going to get worse. Unfortunately. Um, yeah. And also erosion. I mean, yeah. I wish, I wish, uh, different cities and different. People I'm saying could get together to find a solution to this because, um, I was watching a couple of videos actually on YouTube. And once I typed in sea level rise, oh, I saw was Miami York. You know, it seems as if they're just going to melt away or just float away. It's, it's a scary reality. Um, hopefully something has done for this. I'm not too sure. I'm not really familiar with the sea sea rise, um, situation problem. So this is a good lesson for me. I'm going to watch out for. I think Samuel mentioned insurance earlier. I think that's kind of a big piece of it, right? If, um, yeah. Yeah. So in 2016, I think like Freddie Mac, which is the one of the federally backed companies, they're warning that, um, you know, sea level rise could destroy billions of dollars of property. Um, and it's a interesting balance when a lot of the people making our policies in these areas that are going to be most effective, won't even acknowledge climate change. So it's like it's tough to address it with a lot of these people in the places of power that they are. That's true. Right. That's true. I mean, if they don't do it, how are they going to fight it? Yeah. So it's just like a constant like cycle of like trying to convince people, we just need, you know, I guess more scientists and politics, which is a tough sell sometimes. That's interesting. I think also if, if they make it financially difficult for people to rebuild, then, um, that I think that's part of the solution. Um, I mean, in, in a lot of the areas here in Houston, there are people have no business rebuilding because certain areas have flooded repeatedly and people still rebuild their homes. And, um, I think people just need to come to that realization that it's, uh, it's, it's not going to change and, um, you know, people need to make hard decisions, but they don't. And, um, people, the, the, they're developing areas that shouldn't be developed. So even though they know that this is a problem, they're still building new neighborhoods in places that are, uh, not very elevated. So it's, uh, it's, it's kind of a, there's certain things that they could do, not to solve the problem, but to mitigate, I guess the human cost of the, the problem. Yeah. And if you're not educated about a lot of those areas, you know, you could get tricked into buying real estate. Exactly. Years. You're just stuck with it. Right. Let's see. Yeah. I really feel like the real estate should not be available to purchase, you know, to begin with. Yes. So, okay. Let's say somebody else like gets damaged or something. And then they're like, oh, I'm going to get damaged. Right. I understand it's on a personal level, but that's also a problem. The state will have to deal with because now where are you going to put this family? How are you going to feed them? How are you going to take care of them? So that's a whole problem for a society. That's interesting though. I didn't know that, you know, there was like sell properties that were in areas like these. Yeah. There's people that are flipping homes that have been flooded. But this is where it's going to go. And then they're like, hey, I don't know if you're going to get to the roof line. And, you know, it's, it's not healthy to live in these places, but people will fix it up. And. Tech. Technically, I think the county. Or the state should buy out the property and just raised the house and don't ever rebuild on that. That spot. But. It doesn't happen like that. And I think there's a lot of greed and developers will go into divisions or neighborhoods in places that they just shouldn't be constructed. I was reading a lot about like architectural you know developments to try and combat flooding and you know they're doing they're doing things but they're really expensive and you know and just like everything I think it just comes down to money. So you can build a house up on stilts but I have no idea how much something like that would cost. Yeah well the article I was reading they were talking about you know like barriers and drainage ditches and you know building seawalls around cities and you know I don't I don't know I I'm no architect but right seems like they would do something and help even a little bit. Yeah where was that in was it in Miami or somewhere? Me? I'm sorry I was Rotterdam, some city in Europe, of course Europe. It's interesting too like who gets the bill for a lot of those you know constructions like dams and things because it's I assume it'd benefit like a certain portion of homeowners but is that something that the county or local government would do or developers it's like a whole new market that people need to start figuring out and it's it's tough with all these different like zoning and building codes because a lot of that varies county to county so it's almost like you need some kind of overarching policy that kind of sets the standard for everybody because it's just too segmented right now. Well and unfortunately it gets to be very political at the local level because for instance in Houston we have our core of engineers and the they're being sued by a lot of homeowners who lost their homes when they released the dams during Harvey they opened the dams and I think they're afraid to make a decision now because it's it is so political and they they know the right thing to do but they're just not willing to do it so. Fortunately yeah. They had some really good flood maps here that showed the extent of the flooding and they were really cool like animated interactive maps and they got taken offline because I think people were using those maps in their lawsuits against the core so it's it is super political so. I didn't have public information though. I can't find it it should be but I've searched just you know from my own out of my own curiosity and I think unless you know the elevation of your home and you kind of know the area it's it's really hard to have a it's probably out there somewhere but they've just made it to where it's not as easy to find as it should be. In the chat I just said I found this article about building the sea walls and this is an example from Indonesia but I mean it's just cool read these guys when I read it. I also this is my first time using this and I just found out there was a chat. Oh I see it yep I see it down there but. That's crazy that it says it's like a 40 billion dollar project it's like infrastructure like this definitely is not like a very you know subtle commitment you really have to go all in. Is that billion with a B? Yeah wow that's a lot of money. Oh gosh it's huge. Yeah what did they something about it being like a titanic or Jesus yeah. Yeah I'm sure with like all the potential areas that are affected you know it's not probably not reasonable to try to do that for some of the like the lower populated areas and it's tough to find those costs even for the higher populated areas. Yeah for this project specifically I know that they're talking to developers about you know like vacation luxury vacation spots and everything and I think that's how they're getting some of the funding for this but I mean you gotta play the game. I think it goes to show too how investments in lowering carbon emissions and trying to draw down a lot of that to begin with is going to end up saving people a lot of money in the long run. I think nobody wants to step up step up to the plate and like put that on their bill and be proactive about that which is where policy really needs to change. And you know they're going to have these governments are going to have to pay more later on for damages. I mean might as well be proactive now but yeah but political I think everything gets passed on to the next group or the next generation. Yeah actually it's kind of off topic but I live in state college now and they have just redone the entire main road Atherton Street and at first they were just redoing the water pipes and then they realized that they were in two years going to have to redo the electrical wiring and all the telephone lines and electricity and everything so instead of you know waiting to do that they decided to just knock it out at one go. So I think that's like the first example of any proactive government work that I've seen in a while. I live in state college too and that construction has been awful driving north Atherton Street. Yeah I'm glad they're doing it but I wish I wish it'd be a little easier to drive through. Exactly but you know at least they'll knock it out all now and so we don't have to worry about it. I think they've touched on like I don't know what else there is for sea level rise but and see okay we've definitely hit that with time till we start. I think it was 8.15. Yeah maybe. We should be good. It was really good meeting all of you and hopefully everybody does really well in the rest of their classes. It's always an interesting semester in the spring and it seems like it's a little hard in the fall. I agree. It was nice meeting you guys. You too. Thank you. It's definitely an interesting point of face to people instead of.