 We are with the queen of radio herself, Seth Mutungi. I'm a big fan of yours. I know all your names, Cecilia. There's this other one that people don't say. Nairobi, whatever, whatever. Nairobi City, TD committee. Say it, don't be shy. Nairobi City, TD committee. Atli was a joke. I just started it as a joke. And yeah, there it is. And I'm a chairlady for life. We don't have elections, but we do allow members to join and live freely. We don't think there are people like Bien of Saudi Soul has started a Balmain association that is now transforming to a full association like with the rides, with meetings. Do you ever intend to take this Nairobi City, TD committee to such a level, so it's just a fun thing? Breasts aren't like bald heads. So we'd like to wish Bien all the best. But I think we're going to outlive the bald men. Thank you very much. Sis, your laughter and your voice has been gracing radio for years, years and years. This is tough of the legendary. We have seen you evolve and keep maturing as a radio personality. And some time back you had said you'd quit radio. And as a big fan of yours, I saw you back on radio. What made you go back to radio? Was it the money or was it just the love? You felt like I need to keep doing this. I think I went back because I hadn't achieved what I've achieved now. I still had one more thing on my bucket list. And right now I'm in the bucket, you know. So once I've achieved it, then yeah, I'll be able to have my wall of fame. I had to be number one at the number one station in Kenya. And at this time, I'd just like to say a very big thank you to my co-host, Mike Mondo. He's the one who selected me. He said I would like to work with Seth Smutungi. And that was a great honour for me. I never imagined I would work with Mike Mondo. I always wanted to. And the day I sat there, first day, first show, the times I walk into work like today, I still can't believe it's him that I work with. He's the one presenter I'd wanted to work with. And now I work with him. And now I'm with Classic 105. Now I'm at the top of my game. This is where I wanted to be. And I'd like to thank God for that. I'd like to thank everybody who's helped me get where I am. And to those who didn't help, yeah, to you too. Talking about, Seth, talking about your chemistry with Mike. I mean, this is made out of just another planet. You said Mike requested to have you as a co-host. Was it pre-planned for him or for you, or this is just gelled? I know you have gelled with other presenters before in your past employment. This chemist you usually have with your co-hosts. It's all about laughing. It's all about fun. What makes you keep ticking? Is this planned or you just, when you turn up the fader, you do your thing? Chemistry is just that. It's chemistry. And if you don't have it, you can't have a good show. It's as simple as that. Mike and I had chemistry before when I was working at Smooth. So because we're all doing the same shift, you know, would leave the shift at the same time, would hang out. I got to know him without the pressure of working with him at the same time. So I think that created a friendship between us. It created trust between us. It allowed us without pressure to enjoy a rapport which I hadn't done before because usually I'd... I'd be sitting there minding my own business and then I'd be brought a co-host. But this time it was special. This time, yeah, I was just sitting there minding my own business at Smooth and there was opportunity when Terry left. In my wildest dreams, I never imagined it would be me. But I'd like to thank God for that. And of course Samoina, she's always looking out for me. But Mike is... Mike is the one. He's the one I've waited for. He's the one who can keep my pace. He's sharp, he's witty, he's got an amazing voice. Working with him, it's not even working. It's like we're just sitting chilling, having a drink. That's Mike and I. What the show is all about. Two people sitting down talking about life, experiencing it, sharing it with people. And he once said that I would be his last co-host. And I'm hoping that Mike will be my last co-host as in after this we'll probably do something else. But I think for me radio I found my Romeo. Sis, you're one of the radio queens in Africa. What makes you stand out? What makes you unique? What makes you keep going? I think life, a lot of people on radio, they try too hard. They're trying too hard to be funny. They try too hard to be relevant. You need to just relax and flow. Radio is about life, everyday life. The people you meet, the things you do. And when you share your life with your listeners, that's what they want to hear. They want to know that, hey, I lost my shoes over the weekend. Hey, my nails fall off. Oh my God, I got my wig stolen. This is a true story. People want to hear about your life. They want to feel connected to you in a way that makes you in their eyes seem normal, like a normal person. They're like, if Sis can do this, so can I. So it's not really about bringing what other people do to the table. Because when people stop doing anything, then you won't have anything to say. You've got to bring you to the table all the time. Bring you. Bring 150% of you. And you can't go wrong because there is nobody else like you. A lot of radio presenters, both male and female, they're bringing other people to the table. So when you listen to them, I'm wondering, so who's that? And then tomorrow there's somebody else. Consistency is important. So I draw my inspiration from my life, my family, my social life. And of course God inspires me a lot of times. I'm very spiritual. But to be on radio and to be on radio this long, you have to be genuine. You can't pull. When I hear people say fake it till you make it, I know they're not going to make it. You can't fake it till you make it. You've got to work it till you make it. You can't fake something. You can't fake you. So that's me. And there's a lot to me. And every day I wake up and there's something new. There has been debate online for the last few years that comedians are considered to be, comedians are given chance maybe to be on radio compared to those who have graduated from universities. What did you take on that? Radio is a theatre of the mind. What people hear is what they think. It's what they remember. Remember they can't see you. So your voice, your storytelling ability, your ability to make them laugh, to make them sad, to make them come to a point, to make them go places and participate in things. Sometimes when you can make people laugh, it's easier to communicate with them. And when you're coming from a campus perspective or you want to be on radio, that's the most difficult bit because you'll get to a radio station and they'll be like, you need to sound like this. You need more this. It takes time to grow into being a brand on radio like in anything else. My advice to comedians, I think comedians are great, but comedians aren't radio. Comedians deserve their own platform. If they can come to radio and add some value, I think that's great. But for those who are competing against comedians and they believe if given an opportunity they would do a better job, then tell them to do a better job. It's just that simple. And you've got to get in there and go through the ranks. You're not going to get into radio and be number one day one. It's taken me ten years to be the sesmutungi you see here. This is not the way I started out, not at all. You have to keep refining yourself and I think the most important thing is speak the language fluently, whatever you decide. If it is kikuyu, speak kikuyu fluently. If it is English, speak it like the queen. This whole thing of where people get on radio or on TV and they are shrubbing, they get everything wrong and the word is not ambulance. It's ambulance. And it's not awards. It's awards. Small things like this set you apart. You've got to be well spoken in radio. Radio is about speaking. TV you can look pretty. But radio you've got to be eloquent. You've got to master your language. Swahili, Swahili. So I master my language, English. If I want Swahili, I do Swahili. If I want Kamba, I do Kamba. But if I feel there's a way I need to communicate and I can only do it in English, then I'm not going to try to do it in Swahili. Because when people don't understand you and they don't get you, then that's where you find there's a problem with the connect. Keep it simple. Speak to your people in the simplest possible way. And if you can't pronounce a word, how about Google it dash pronunciation? So for me, get it right, get it right. Perfect yourself all the time. Continue perfecting yourself. Never think that if you've got just one listener or ten listeners, that's too small. If you've got even one person listening to you, that's enough. You've been in the game for the longest time. Some of the top radios have been accused of scripting radio shows. Do you believe in that? Well, I think initially, I wouldn't say scripting as such, but they expect you to prepare for your show. But when they give you a script and ask you to follow it, that's how you kill the presenter. You kill the personality. Because if you're scripting something for me, then why aren't you doing the show? If you conscript it, why don't you do the show? So that's part of being a radio presenter. You've got to have original content. And the only way you can be original is make the content you, about you, about your life, about funny things that come your way. So you can't script a presenter. This week, it's been a year since the passing of DJ CK Chris Kirubi. What do you remember him as a boss and as a person who gave you a platform to express yourself for the longest time? What do you remember him for? My darling Chris Kirubi. There's so many things to say about him, but he's the man who gave me the chance. He's the one who believed, not once, but twice in me. He fired me, you know that. He fired me again. We had a wonderful relationship, but Kirubi was the kind of person who believed in giving you opportunity and he never hurried me. He allows you to grow into your talent and a lot of media houses don't allow that. You jump in and immediately they want results. I'm glad Dr. Kirubi had enough money to allow me to grow with time. Radio is about making money and if you can't make money for the station, then you're of little or no value to the station. But because Dr. Kirubi had enough money and capital was really his darling, it was his pet station, it all good well for me because then I was allowed to grow and change. When I joined capital the first time, it was different from when I joined the second time. So my growth has been different in that way, but I know I thanked him many times, but wow, how do you thank a man who just against all odds, against everybody else decided you. Come on, give it another chance and he would encourage me all the time about everything about my personal life, about men, about money, about how I looked, about what I do socially. He told me be very careful. Your reputation is everything. You must guard it with your life. Don't do anything that would jeopardize that reputation and I remember that today. So it affects who I date, where I go, what I eat. I do a lot of things I like, but I found out that having someone like Kirubi on your side helps shape you. We just cut short the amount of time you'd have taken trying to get it right via Trisex. So he's the man. He's the one for me. He made it possible for me and for that I thank him always and I hope that everybody who's listening to me now does find the Kirubi in their life who just singularly believes in their talent and regardless of what anyone else is saying, good or bad or ugly, they're like, come on, you got talent. Just focus. That I wish for everybody and when you're given opportunity, please don't expect to start at the top. Work at the bottom, suffer at the bottom, work all hours if you need to. Work free if you must. If you got talent, someone will hear you because I believe there's always somebody listening. You currently have an opportunity to work with another great mind in the name of Patrick Kwako. You've worked with the big minds, the best in the industry, the best in the game. What thing have you learned working under PQ? This is a second time. I'm working with Patrick Kwako and I think the one thing I can say about him, he's singularly the most hands-on person I've ever met. He's very passionate about everything he does. He loves radio. He used to have a radio show. We're trying to get him back. The man has refused. He's talented and he invests. But he also expects results. He's a man who pushes you and he pushes you because he knows there's more. Sometimes people will walk in and you'll give 10%. Kwako expects 105%. So every time you walk in, like I walk into my show with Mike, we're trying to make it bigger, better, we want more. And as we do that, we grow ourselves, our ability to be more creative, to engage, to get involved in more things. So I think Patrick Kwako is the man who I would say allowed me to push the boundaries. He's always telling me push the envelope. Stop waiting to get things perfect. Do what you can when you can. You'll learn along the way. He's a wonderful mentor to me when I find myself stuck in a place and I want to try something. He'll tell me, just start it. Fine, if it doesn't work, come back. We'll try again. So he's fearless in that sense. And I appreciate him as my CEO. I've been very lucky as far as chairmans and CEOs go. And I'm looking forward to rising and probably getting more involved in pings Radio Africa. This is a final question. What message do you have for a girl out there, a young lady out there looking up to you in terms of just being a woman, a wonderful woman, a successful woman in terms both in career and radio. And do you have any low moments in your radio career and the high moment just as you finalize? I think to the girls out there who are listening and they look at me and they want to be me, you can't be me. That's number one. Number two, you've got to get it right from the get go. There are no shortcuts to greatness. There are no shortcuts to greatness. I'm just repeat that again. There are no shortcuts to greatness. You've got to put in the work. You just have to put in the work and the work is what enables you to sustain yourself in days to come. Because if today I decided I want to be an astronaut and I go to Ellen Musk and I tell him Hey, what's up Ellen? I want to go check up what's up there in space and you'll be like, okay, you're going to need 18 years and I'm like, come on, I can do this in a month. The rigas of radio are no smaller than the rigas of preparing yourself to go to space or for any other job. You have to put in the time. There's no shortcuts. Don't listen to people who will tell you they will get you this and they'll get you here. Yes, they will. But remember, if they create you, they can destroy you. You've got to create yourself so that nobody can destroy you. And this is an opportunity that he's given me to be or to have been or to continue being in radio for this long. God was holding me in my position. Why? Because I didn't take the shortcut. It's been 10 years. It's been rough. There are moments I go home, I cry. It's been a tough show. I've had moments where I laugh and the mic goes down and I cry. It's tough because this is the only job you give of yourself. You have to give everything to get one percent. So it's hard. It's not for everybody. And if you think that you're going to be in it to be famous, you've got to be really good to be famous. So how are you going to get really good? You've got to put in the work. The men you get involved with the men you get involved with could come round to destroy you and your reputation and your job. If they give it to you, they can take it away. So find a way to earn it. When you earn it, it's yours. And you can do with it as you please. Like me, Seth here. Always pray. Thank God for opportunities. Prayer changes things. It softens hearts. It creates opportunity. So if you're not praying, then those who are are going to take the slot. So pray for the girls beware of the men, for the men beware of the girls and work. You have to put in the hours. This is one of those professionals where if you don't put in the hours, you can't get it. You're not going to be where I am, where the other radio grates are. You can't get there. Because right now if something happened right now and I have to go to my show, I'm a professional. I'll block out what I need to block out, do my show for four hours and then collapse at the end of it. That's all training. So wish you all the best and remember fame isn't everything. As you're being famous, try and enjoy yourself and don't let fame be everything.