 I always have to wait and we're live. What's up guys drew here that anxiety guide calm back as always with Billy from anxiety United Hello again. What's up, dude? It's all good. So we are doing our anxiety 101 series and we're up to episode 11 because as I was just telling Billy This one goes to 11. Let's see who gets that if you get the reference, please make a comment Home So we're up to episode 11 and our anxiety 101 series We were talking about an article that I wrote a few years ago We'll link the article in the video descriptions wherever you happen to be watching so you can read along and we've gone Just kind of topic by topic through the article and we've discussed each topic and today since we're out of topics in the Article we're kind of gonna it's over. It's over. It's kind of over We'll find a way to keep it going because we're doing a we are going to look at and I'm looking at some comments We're gonna do some Q&A, right? So yes. Yes over the course of the few months that we have been doing this series We've had people ask us a lot of really cool questions on YouTube and Facebook and social media And we're gonna go through and and kind of answer some of them for the benefit of those of you who have not Asked questions or seen the comments. So I'm I just that without any preparation No You know what it's probably safe now since we're all the way at episode 11 and we finished the article to let everybody know that We had almost no prep on a lot of them So we would just sort of like talk for three minutes and okay. Let's go. So let's see what happens This is improvisational podcasting is what this is. It's the way it's the way it's so it's it's the way forward So it's the way of the future So yeah, I am gonna go through some of my comments and and I think what we found is for those of you who have Come back on each of our different channels and asked questions again and again That's that's awesome We appear to have some regular viewers who actually look forward to us doing this which is super awesome I mean people are very nice things and I would say overall some of the comments Just are really excellent because we seem to actually be helping some people in some crazy way. So that's cool Yeah, yeah, definitely makes me feel good. So what I'm gonna throw it to you to start get Let's see some of the questions that you've got let's let's pick a common question from the anxiety United side I would say so the first question that I came across is from art joe zoo or something like that Sorry for the pronunciation. It's a quick question. Has has either of you lost weight during your battle with anxiety? He lost or she lost 10 to 15 pounds in the last four months so obviously I don't know whether they're concerned. I would imagine that they're concerned at weight loss, maybe Probably for me. I'll kick it off. But personally I I when I first met my wife I was like 10 and a half stone and I was for years But then probably over the last maybe five six years. I've put A fair bit of weight on like three. I'm now just 14 stone pretty much bang on and the stone is seven pounds Yes, 14 14. Okay. Yeah, so yeah, that makes it sound even worse than it But yeah, I mean, I'm not crazy overweight. I'm pretty tall. I'm like six foot three. So yeah But it's just like I've Put weight on but I don't think that's anything to do with anxiety I think it's more to do with the fact that I haven't been that active Yeah, so that's probably you know Whether if I'd have had anxiety or not if I just sat on my ass for the last 10 years I'd have put four stone on anyway. You know, so that's my kind of yeah Um, did I lose weight because of anxiety? I did not lose any weight because of anxiety. I'm 100 pounds lighter than I was A while ago, but I don't think it had anything to do with anxiety. I had to do with coming on to exercise It was due to exercise and also I stopped a medication that I was taking which was packing on some weight so but no for me and I think that that leads to like Some people when they really are struggling with anxiety, they can't eat They don't want to eat and some people all they want to do is eat So I think it's yeah, yeah, it's super common to hear you see you see you see a lot of weight Sometimes people that suffer in with stress really bad. They'll lose weight, but then you see some people come for you Yes, yeah, so he's the other way. So there's no Right or wrong answer. Is there it's Yeah, I think the answer to that question is it's common to both gain and lose weight Yeah, yeah or neither And even during even people who don't have anxiety if they're just dealing with some stressful events You know death of the family and that sort of thing a lot of people's weight will fluctuate in those Yeah, yeah, there's one thing I'll just just picking up on there But like my wife in the past was prescribed anti-depressants and I and when she was she was reading on forums and all this kind of stuff and A lot of the comments whether they were women Probably I would say the majority were but they were all concerned about weight gain taking meds Yes, so that's like something whether that would contribute to somebody's weight going up Maybe is that a thing is that a thing that the meds make them gain weight? Or is it the fact that they feel more relaxed and then perhaps eat more Because they're relaxed or well Without going too much into the meds thing and we'll probably do an episode just on that Yeah, I can tell you that from a weight standpoint here my experience with anti-depressants Was I put on a huge amount of weight? Um, and I think it's for two reasons There's something chemically going on there that that I believe Has is some contributing factor to the weight just kind of piling up on on me like a metabolism A metabolism there's there's there's gotta be some I don't exactly know what it would be and I'm complete I have no scientific basis for claiming this other than just seeing thousands and thousands of people that have had this complaint That you know and I remember when my doctor prescribed that it was just my general truck practitioner way back in like 1996 And he said well, you'll actually this will make you feel full you'll lose weight Exactly the opposite happened. I just started gaining weight very quickly And I I think there's there may be some particular chemical biochemical reason for that But I will tell you the other thing for me and I have a lot of people who would corroborate this They just dampened my judgment to such a degree that you know that you shouldn't eat four slices of pizza But you do it anyway because it tastes good Um, and and it's very common in many anti-depressants to have that people who start to drink more alcohol Spend more money that they don't have eat things. They shouldn't eat like it just bad judgment It becomes a hormone some of these meds and that contributes to the weight gain too So it's a thing weight loss weight gain during anxiety. It's a real thing I was going to make a point as well that perhaps like the only reason that you see This is me thinking maybe that the only reason that you see that people are posting on forums saying they've gained weight Yes, as a as a result of their meds is because the ones that haven't aren't going on the forums posting I haven't gained weight. That's true. You know, that's called reporting bias and that's a real thing Yeah, so, you know, nobody goes on the internet to say I love this We we go to complain so because I remember when I gave up smoking like it's been 12 months now And I was searching forums at the time like does this happen or I was out of bad cough after six months But there weren't anybody there that says are I quit smoking and I was absolutely pretty brilliant Because they were out there doing whatever on another forum. That's exactly right something else, you know Yeah, we don't report the good things. Nobody takes the time to say yeah smoking and nothing happened We only report bad stuff. Maybe we should set that up. That's a new yet. Nothing happened.com That's gonna be our thing like tell us when nothing happens because it'll make everybody feel better So yeah, yeah reporting bias, but I think the answer to the question is weight loss and weight gain with anxiety very common Either way, either way, so Is it your turn for a call? Yeah, I'll throw one out here. Here's one. This is Laura. I'm not going to say her last name I got this one on facebook. She asked a couple of times about this. So hey, Laura if you're watching She asked about fatigue So her question is Yeah, I'll actually load the question here my internet appears rather slow Um, she says Well, it's a very long message when she asked a couple of times It's fatigue is her big thing She wants to know like when you go out and you challenge yourself like a walk to the post box or a trip to the shopping mall Or whatever it is and you're doing your exposure work. How do you deal with the extreme fatigue that comes with that? So at the end she feels that maybe other people do too and that's why I'm sharing her particular question Laura, I hope you don't mind. Um, she just feels incredibly fatigued like she could collapse And and how do you deal with that is the question? So I could tell you what I what I said because it's just my experience that I often yes after a panic attack Or after a really hard exposure. I would feel drained, you know and fatigued But the difference is yes, I'm tired. I'm physically drained and exhausted for sure but When you describe it at the point where the fatigue you you literally feel like you can't take another step Because you think you're going to collapse that's an extreme description of that So my my response to Laura was to try and remain as objective as possible when you're describing your state So fatigue is a real thing and when we're doing this hard work, we're going to get tired And it's going to be physically and mentally draining But there's a difference between drained and tired and and literally being unable to stand upright That's too different. Yeah, two different things completely So I dealt with the fatigue just the way anybody would deal with it You know, if I was tired, I would rest a little bit But but I guess I never got to the point where I would describe that fatigue is debilitating And the question that's the right and the question becomes is the fatigue actually Truly debilitating or do you just feel like it is because it feels like isn't doesn't equal reality sometimes I think when you're in that when you're in the mindset when you're in that moment It perhaps does and I've referred to it before when I said Am I the only person that suffers with anxiety 24 7 right and like the reality is that I don't but when you're in the moment So when you are feeling that extreme fatigue If you really sat down and judged or perhaps a good way to think of it would be if say if you're partner Your wife your boyfriend or whatever if they said to you I feel like I can't take another step What would you say to them? You know Think about that like, you know Could you just nick to the kitchen and get me a glass of water? I'm sure that you could right And that's true and that's that remain remaining objective thing So I guess the answer to the fatigue question is it's normal to be tired and and drained from this sort of work But it's you just have to be really careful about how you describe it That's nothing like with the with the poll that I did and we did the when we did the symptoms one the fatigue was the top it was the most Common thing that people struggled with with was fatigue just exhaustion or you know, you feel like you just haven't got the strength to To do anything let alone push yourself. You know, that's the But it's understandable when you're putting yourself under that much tension and that much pressure Yeah, it totally is understandable and I think yeah, I would say that when I was really struggling with anxiety at its worst I I was you know, I was tired all the time without it that it wears you down I mean, I don't know if you've experienced the same thing. I'm just yeah, definitely I'm tired a good thing to combat that is like although it thinks that your mind thinks that it's backwards But exercise so even though you feel tired if you do exercise It has the reverse effect. You would think that you would be more tired But it doesn't does it it rejuvenates you it would and for me even initially in the early days when I Wasn't going to the gym and doing real exercise But I would just get there's a treadmill in my basement and I would just get in the treadmill and walk it Literally like one and a half miles an hour like tiny very slow And I would get off 15 minutes later or 12 10 minutes later and actually feel a little bit more rejuvenated And I think so much of that is because of the mental thing like yes, I'm I am tired I am mentally drained but I've proven to myself that look I was able to walk slowly on this treadmill for 10 minutes And it changes your perspective on that fatigue and the other thing that helped me too was And this is a whole different topic, but I would use the concept of modeling So like I would let the people around me be models for me. So I thought you meant you were stunned in the mirror, you know I was voguing Modeling so I would look at the people around me and think and especially here in the u.s Are you here about it all the time? We're sleep deprived generally speaking in the west in general I'm sure in the uk to you guys are generally sleep deprived You know, we don't sleep enough and and I would look around me and say, you know what the media and And science is telling me that most of the people around me are generally sleep deprived and they probably feel like crap So they they're tired too. The guy in the car next to me is tired too. Just he doesn't care He's just tired. He gets a cup of coffee and goes to work. So yeah, I'm tired and I'm making it the end of the world So That's my answer to fatigue. It's it's a real thing but try not to Blow it try not to make it more than it actually is If we're talking about tiredness, I'm just gonna put in and just say like Because I messaged you the other day about how I've been feeling this week. Yes. So off topic for a second. Sure I'll topic it is. But just like For the last week or so I've been going to bed and not feeling tired and my eyes feel wide awake and I've been lying and not feeling like I've been getting much sleep And like we spoke about this before and like when you don't get enough sleep and you wake you get up in the morning And you feel Already sabotaged but I've been waking up like for the last week and just feeling wide awake all the time And I messaged you the other day just saying that I felt really calm for the last like three four days No, like dizzy sensations. No tension. No nothing But it's made me question and feel really weird that I'm not getting any of those sensations So I'm almost concerned that I'm feeling nothing and that's made me then become more tense Yes, like the last 24 hours I felt it's really weird, but I felt normal But normal being more tense more anxious more off balance, you know, I mean So I had like three or four days where I just felt no symptoms. But that was weird for me Strange. Hmm. So the Okay, that yeah, and I get it. We kind of went back and forth on that. Yeah And that kind of feeds into the fatigue becomes a normal state a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, that's higher Yeah, that's why I thought I should throw it out because it's like there's probably going to be other people that maybe go through that Where they maybe feel like you're getting on top of it But then it becomes that becomes weird that becomes strange because you're not used to feeling that Almost freedom because that's how it felt. Yeah, I was sitting watching tv like watching a movie And I was watching the movie. I wasn't sitting there questioning and How do I feel like my eyes feel like whatever, you know Just odd And I said to you should I just embrace the calmness? Yeah, that's what you've got to do, isn't it? Yeah, and I think, you know, we get in that situation where We get so vigilant about any change in state any change in state So I'm tired, but now I'm not tired or I'm more tired than I was or I'm less tired than I was Every change in state like seems to be a problem for us. So yeah, yeah, there must be something wrong That's what I was thinking right because I feel all right. There must be something wrong Yeah, yeah, well when you're when we're focused inward and we're constantly worried about how we feel and what we're thinking Then yes, every feeling every sensation good or bad becomes an issue. Yeah, what is the thing? I have to think about this Why do I feel so good today? Like, huh? Yeah, it's a strange thing. So anyway, thank you laura for that question the question about fatigue Hopefully we were able to answer it for whomever. So I've got a comment. I've got a comment Crab one six three. I'm just reading through it quickly. I realize I'm facing a formidable opponent I can't really run away from that opponent is me Time after time I experienced that flash of panic terror. I think this time I'm really gonna lose it or die become a babbling wreck Sprinting screaming in tongues. I can't quite get it or believe it isn't the real deal this time So it wasn't a question. It was just a comment basically saying that when they get in that moment They can't They can't grasp the thing that this isn't it this it isn't the end So every time it happens for them, they're going down that same route Of thinking that this is going to be the end of them. Whatever it's going to be heart attack die go crazy Yeah, so what it what where's the switch? What is it? What what are we missing? It's just a realization, isn't it? It is that there is no real danger And and and actually this is funny We'll combine two comments because the one I was going to do next is from our our brunner 2112 is on youtube Do you have a theory as to why some people have panic attacks periodically may even go to the er? But after they are done with some bouts of panic, they are okay, and they don't really think about it until the next one And other people have a few panic attacks then Gad or agoraphobia sets in and they're in a constant anxiety loop. So very similar question First yeah, how come yeah, what's the point where you look at that panic attack and say well? I've had a hundred of these before this is nothing Or I just had a panic attack. I don't care. I had a panic attack. I'm just going to go out on about my day And maybe I'll have another one. Maybe I want I don't care So why can some people make that mental leap and say I feel like I'm going insane right now, but I know I'm not and so I'm going to move on Yeah, and some people think no this time. I really am going insane So I think we we touched on it before saying maybe that it was down to experience for us So unfortunately we had to go through that process numerous times before we realized it Because we there's no distinguishing factor them, you know, there wasn't a switch was there That's what we both said is no there was nothing for me that stopped me from calling an ambulance You know and who's to say that one day I might have one that bad that I will yeah, but as it stands right now like How many panic attacks I've had in the past I can't count But I've never reached that point. So I've always felt like I can sort of just get through it Ride it out. So I don't know whether there's Whether there's something that I learned or whether it was just something that I accepted early on was just like I will get over this I'll get through it. This is a really tough question. I think and there's no good answer But my answer to our friend our brooner on youtube was Literally started with that's the million dollar question Really for people who like us who deal with these sort of things How come some people Get that Some people don't and I think if you're new to it your first couple of panic attacks You're not going to have the experience and you are going to kind of lose it a little bit and that's normal But some people that light bulb goes off after panic attack number five Some people it takes a hundred of them some people the light bulb never goes off And if I could answer why that is I don't know. We wouldn't be doing this. I have a much larger office than this. Yeah. Yeah So I don't have an answer to that, but what what is it? I don't know. I don't know I don't know but but I think It comes back to the thing we talk about a lot and you know that that element of courage So whether you're wondering Why did I develop gad or agoraphobia after two panic attacks or your commenter is wondering? Why do I think every panic attack is the end of me? Mm-hmm Both of those could be met with with that courage element that says I'm just going to trust Take that leap of faith That this is not the end of me and I'm just going to close my eyes and relax and breathe and just let it happen Let's have it. Yeah, and I think that's It's sometimes there's an either an unwillingness or or not knowing that that's what it's going to take That yeah puts us into that loop that you know of thinking this one is the end or Turning two panic attacks into agoraphobia within a month because it can happen Yeah, so my next my next comment sort of leads into sure go for it Just goes a bit deeper into that and that this one's from Bella Donna. Okay, and she says She would love for us to talk about the trapped feeling when feeling when dealing with anxiety So the one that the major struggle is sitting down having a conversation or waiting in line Or sitting with a group of friends at a dinner party Constantly feeling trapped that they can't leave or get out of the situation So that I would class that as like the agoraphobia sort of thing. It's the the trapped needing to escape always Looking for escape or not having to know where the escape That was something that I used to do was just if we went out for dinner I'd have to sit as close to the exit, you know, or I'd just have to know where the exit was So that was a big thing for me. Right. And so how do we deal with that? That's that's a good topic Actually that need to escape Well, the the way that I would suggest to deal with it now is to just It doesn't matter whether you know, sit as far away from the damn exit as you possibly bloody can That's the way to deal with it. It doesn't matter It's it's not something that you should think about is it it's easier said than done But it's just not it's a safety behavior at the end of the day It is because I think that that feeling trapped means I have to find a way out of here I cannot possibly sit and finish this conversation Because I have to run and the question is run to to what or run from what So you're the same and I said this to a friend on the phone the other day You are the very same person whether you are sitting at a restaurant In a long conversation with a friend and feeling panicky as you are sitting on your sofa or in your car Wherever your safe places, you're the same exact person Yeah, you're in no more no more or less danger. You are no more or less out of control And I think Getting past the trap feeling means truly accepting that that is the truth Like even if I just sit here with my friend Billy and have a panic attack. Okay. I have a panic attack. It doesn't matter Yeah, yeah, it doesn't matter whether I'm sitting here or there or it doesn't matter I'm not escaping anything in particular So Feeling trapped feels like somehow rather you can get to a safer place And the trick here is to understand that there is no safer place because You don't have to there's nothing to be safe from Yeah, yeah, so That's it. That's my answer for feeling trapped. I don't know if you have anything to add to that Yeah, I'll stick with that. You're not trapped in anything. You know, that's it I mean, you might be in a really boring conversation, but you know, nobody wants to wait online to renew their driver's license But that's no fun But but I understand that that incredible need to bolt out. I get that I understand that That is the that is part of the problem is that is that that is the disorder or part of it It is it is yeah, and it makes me think I'm guessing the video isn't there anymore. It's a mutual friend of ours also in the UK I won't mention her name, but she was doing videos back when you and I first met and I remember seeing a video where she was out walking and She that moment Like it the realization of how far she was from her home and it was at night Yeah, and she literally like bam you could see her eyes changed and in a second her demeanor changed And she literally and I remember the first time I ever heard the term leg it I feel the need to leg it which in the u.s. We'd say we need to run the running to ball I just want to leg it and she literally ran and the last bit of the video was her running back to her home Where her fiance was And I wish sometimes I I wish people could watch that because you could see it And that's how quick yes And then I remember she got home and she felt better when she got home And then the realization of like well that I know I feel silly Like it's a perfect illustration of that that trapped feeling. That's that moment. Yes, that moment Yes Yeah, it just it hit her and she she started running and then felt silly for having ran We have to she do it. Mm-hmm. So that's the deal of being trapped. I think Um, I would agree with that. Yeah, so let me look at this. Um, I have another one here This is a question. This is a good on youtube from evil morty. It's just a good name evil morty, um He it's it's it's a question about tension He has a specific feeling of tension in his in his head and in his neck And and it's problematic for him and so he wants to know how do you deal with that constant tension? Is this is something really wrong or is this just that I'm not relaxing? Um, and and that's a common question that I get all the time to people How come my neck hurts all the time? How come my head hurts all the time? How come my shoulders are sore? How come my my abs are sore? um and I think We could talk a little bit about tension keeping Well, I mean, yeah, yeah, I do get it. I do get it quite often And I when I was doing the 31 days of May videos I think for like the first week or week and a half I was having real Horrible pains in the back of my head and I you know, I was questioning. Is this just tension and or is there something more sinister But I just the way that I honestly dealt with it was for just let time pass I'm not saying that I tried to forget about it because it was there and it was bothering me But I just knew that I'm just going to let time pass and it did start to ease and it You know gradually because I was videoing myself every day. I was mentioning it So I was keeping it in my mind. I guess that probably didn't help But during the course of like a week and a half it just eased and then I noticed that I woke up one day and it had just gone so Allowing time to pass for stuff like that that what's what that is what worked for me But there's time there's times where I can be sat like if I'm working at the computer And I'll feel that my shoulders are well tense But then I'll just sort of Maybe take a moment a couple of minutes to just drop to just let everything drop and there's a feeling like you can just let everything Go and it's quite a nice relaxed feeling. So I guess if you can just switch Maybe bring your focus to that every now and again You know, maybe every hour or something people stick certain things up Like on their refrigerator, maybe or up on their cupboard a little dot that'll just remind them to do something So maybe if you did that, you know, if you're struggling with tension Throughout the course of a few days Stick a dot somewhere and every time you look at it, just remember to just drop your shoulders Just let everything go. Yep, you know, maybe that would condition yourself to Maybe do that more often. So you don't have to look for a sticker. You can just It's just there that response to just recognize when you're Holding yourself, you know, yeah, that's a good point because I think Breathing and and tension in the body. You know, we talk about trying to just ignore our symptoms Like don't pay them any mind. Yeah, yeah, but those are two that probably make sense to keep coming back to Yeah, you know, you look for that tension every hour or so So when you're feeling tension or even the breathing thing, you know, I have a tendency to hold my breath When I'm in a stressful situation, you know, there are even apps you can put on your phone That will remind you every 15 minutes, you know, stretch your neck it up move around Yeah, yeah It's not a bad thing to go back and look for that tension and release it and release it It's a good point. No, it's a good point that we say Try and diver or just don't think about you think about your symptoms But this is one like you say it is yeah, you should Try and relax your shoulders Yes, I think the difference is you might scan yourself for tension and and holding your breath But not because you're worried that the tension is some sort of physical malady like something is wrong Just you have to understand like oh wait a minute. Why are my shoulders up here? I used to do that all the time. Yeah, yeah, I would have my shoulders. Yeah, yeah Yeah, and I'd have to remind myself of that and so scanning for a little bit of tension or just noticing like am I breathing right now Like why do I feel a little bit dizzy like oh, well because I'm taking one breath every four minutes. That's not okay so Yeah, that's the tension thing is tough. It's very normal, you know to hold the tension somewhere in your body I actually had a friend of mine who his feet used to hurt all the time Because he used to clench his toes in his shoes. That was his way of doing it. So he get foot cramps But it's a very normal thing and scanning for it and learning to let it go is not a bad thing using app There are devices And there's a little device that I've seen I've never used it you clip it on your belt Or like on your pants or someone will like clip it in their shirt and on a timer it works with an app And I believe you can't say pants not we've got a uk audience. That's sure. You can't say pants I know this too trousers. What is that? What do you guys? Yes? There you go. See I'm an honorary brit. I'm working for that We need my honorary degree in british slang So you you clip it in your trousers or your pants or whatever or somewhere in your body It has a heart rate sensor and I guess it's kind of trying to sense your respiration and with its senses to engine Or it senses that your breathing has become, you know held it will vibrate a little and just remind you like hello breathe so Hello No No I'm not talking to you now So that that's the that's the tension thing. Um, just wait for it to start. Yeah, sure. We can wait. I'll edit. I'll edit that It's all right balls You have a very quick I say I think we should leave it. We should we should totally not edit this out comic relief Wow, this is the way it goes. This is this is the way it goes when we do this Geez wow, I just saw If we're sticking with the symptoms, then my next comment was please from Cindy Stevens Please could you address the off balance feeling or the ground moving sensation? Which is something that I've struggled I've struggled within the past and I still get it now I'm just I'm actually gonna say On this podcast that I don't struggle with it now because I just sort of just It's just there. Yeah, it happens And I know the ground isn't moving and I I may be swaying a little But I think that's because I'm so aware of every movement every motion You know, it maybe I'm sitting watching tv and I might just move A couple an inch to the left, but I'll feel it. I'll see it and I'll see stuff moving in my peripheral vision and that I know that that's what it is now. So that's it. It's just the reality of I know that I am moving the ground is not moving. Yes, it must be me There is no problem. Yeah, you're a hundred percent right I think it's perfectly normal like when we we to get a little off balance Like that's sort of normal if you're feeling anxiety You'll get you'll have a little bit of balance and orientation problems. That's part of what adrenaline does to us So You know just accepting like all right, so maybe I'm a little bit off balance right now, but okay Like I mean I've I've stood in it like in a shop queue when I have before And I like stood behind somebody and you can see that there, you know, there's a slight bit of movement They're not standing perfectly still. Right. It's just that they're not standing there thinking. Whoa. Is it me that's moving? Is it the floor? What the hell's going on? You know, they're just standing there They're having the same motion that we are. It's just that because we're so fixed on Everything noticing everything. Yes. That's the only reason that we even pick up on it. It feels worse That is I I believe you to be a hundred percent true on that So one of the and again, I have no research on this is my own Framework that I work in but even when you hit depersonalization and derealization I have come to look at those things as just temporary states where like background processing comes to the front And and you know I'm talking about that now necessarily But even that even when you're feeling that off balance or unsteady thing like you said There's always some sort of movement And like you don't even know how many calculations per second your brain has to do to keep the human body Straight and upright. There's a lot of balance that goes on here There's a lot of muscle control happening and we don't ever think about it. We just walk Like our brains just do it for us. We walk. We stand upright. We don't just tip over because we don't But when we become aware of that processing and we become aware of the change Like oh my thigh just changed a little bit. So I leaned a little bit We're suddenly aware of the things that the people around us are completely oblivious to So it's the same exact state that a normal person is in just that we notice it And that's it and it makes us crazy. So Yeah, that's the off balance. Just be off balance. Go ahead. You're not off balance So, yeah, this is one of those sensations that you should just not pay much attention to It doesn't matter. Don't be concerned Yes, yeah, yeah, I tell people all the time unless you have literally fallen down unless you have actually fallen down You know multiple times and then we have to look at that but unless you have been faced down on the ground several times What being worried that you might fall down Sooner or later, you have to stop worrying because you haven't fallen down I knew that the comments were going to take this sort of Direction it's going to be symptoms symptoms because people are so bloody focused on them. That's the thing Yes, but it's hard not to be it is hard not to be but that's what I've noticed because in the past like I feel myself I'm going to talk about myself. That's all right. It's all right Like I think I suffer with social anxiety because I don't like talking to people Full stop. You're all right. I guess Thanks I'm agrophobia because I just don't go anywhere. I don't feel entrapped I don't like going in shops whatever health anxiety because I'm constantly questioning how I feel So I feel like I'm sort of and I've always like struggled to come to terms with how do you Like the one thing for me was health anxiety because I've always known That for agrophobia really it's exposure therapy. You've got to get out there and you got to do it Social anxiety is pretty much the same. You've got to get out. You've got to talk to people You know picking up the phone whatever it is that you need to do But what can you do for health anxiety? That's always something that's struggled I've struggled to sort of understand But I think recently it's like it's coming to terms with symptoms and sensations. Isn't it that's It's just not giving them the attention that they're Craving right, you know, that's the way to deal with health anxiety is to not take that sudden sharp pain That's not a heart attack. That's you know That's what I'm sort of gaining from this is like that's how to deal with that So I'm kind of struggling and trying to put everything together That's where I'm at at the moment. It's like I don't know what this has got to do with anything No, no, no, no, I like it's because people maybe like the When you read these books and that those seem to be targeted. This is the way to fix anxiety Yes, but there is so many different things and that's what I've always really struggled with like I did exposure therapy And I was getting out but it didn't explain to me how I could deal with sensations or symptoms and Worrying about my health and stuff like that. Yeah, so I've kind of come to the realization that there's different methods to attack different Conditions. Yeah, that's true and and any of the comments that about specific symptoms No, no, I think it's a really good comment because it applies to almost every question We'll ever get about a specific symptoms a headache shortness of breath dizziness Unsteadiness whatever it happens to be what you just said is it is is the way to address every one of them Yeah, yeah, that's it everyone. So probably you would think that everybody that's questioning the symptom That's like a health anxiety because really their fear They're scared that this is something more sinister in it. So it is health anxiety at the end of the day That's true. That's true. I actually had a question this morning And I'm going to do two in a row if you don't mind, but I had somebody who actually asked me a question this morning Like how do you deal with Being worried about a specific um, she says what if there's a root fear of a specific disease? Like, you know, so that's sort of health anxiety And you know, my answer to that was it depends do you actually have the disease and you're worried about the fact that you have it? Or are you just worried about possibly getting it? um and I think in the end When we're worried about the twinge in our chest or the feeling dizzy or the maybe unsteady or the the pain in your leg or whatever it is Like you said it is health anxiety in the end if you boil it all down because you think that something might be really wrong And some people will just take it to a bigger degree So if your legs hurt some of us might think well, this is an indicator that something is wrong with me right now There's some events happening right now that ain't afraid of and some people will say There might be something happening to me right now that requires medical attention Or this could be an indicator that I have developed some sort of horrible disease that will kill me down the road in some terrible way So in the end it's all the same. It's and and not to sound to oversimplify it but Until you have evidence that something really is wrong Then you can choose to worry about what might happen Or you could just keep doing what you're doing and if it happens then deal with it But if it doesn't happen worrying about it won't stop it from happening anyway Like worrying about you know cancer is a terrible thing, but worrying about cancer never stopped anybody from getting it So and that's it. Yeah, people do convince themselves that something is Seriously wrong. Yes. So they actually it's like it becomes that real doesn't it? That's the it does and I think That this is where the cognitive part of cognitive behavior therapy comes in Where and I know I talk about it all the time and people are probably tired of me hearing about when you learn those skills Where you could say well, this is bothering me because I keep thinking that I have And in fact, there are some people who might be listening they would understand alien ear cancer Which became a joke among a couple of friends of mine You know, I I'm convinced that I have this particular disease or I'm worried I'm going to get this disease Well, you know, there are skills you can learn to stop that thought To understand it to challenge it to take it to its logical conclusion to prove it to be false And to replace it with a different thought but it's it's a skill like learning to speak a language You have to work on it. You have to be taught it and you have to learn it So you can overcome all of those things from the unsteadiness to the The fear that you have a disease it's not possible to get past all of that stuff Now the other comment I wanted to throw out so we get off the symptom thing for just a second as I had a con This is from rihanna. It was a while ago What's the rihanna the rihanna? I don't think it was the rihanna But maybe who knows rihanna jade on youtube My boyfriend is my massive safety behavior I can't go out without him. Do you have any tips? Help tips to get over that I think this is also a very common thing for people in our situation And that goes back to the I can do anything as long as Yeah, yeah, definitely anything as long as my boyfriend is with me or my wife How do you get past that? Well, I mean I I feel way more comfortable if my wife is there. So you should answer this Okay, so What I told rihanna jade a friend rihanna was ask yourself exactly what your boyfriend in her case is saving you from And in your case, you know, what is what is your wife actually saving you from? You know, let's follow that through to its logical conclusion So you feel more comfortable. That's right. What is she saving you from? Yeah, it's just making life easier, isn't it? Like if we're maybe going to a shop and she's doing the checkout bit Then it's saving me from having to do that. Yeah, so that's Oh saving me from nothing. It's just making it easier. So I don't have to be uncomfortable So I think that's a different thing. So for you she's she can actually do the task that you would prefer not to do Because it's uncomfortable. Yes As opposed to feeling like she is literally going to save you from some horrible fate No, yeah, yeah, I suppose. Yeah I'll I'll fill you in and you know what sometimes I say things that seem so funny to me because and the things that That were like this for me many many many years ago and as at my worst Even before you and I met I can remember literally like thinking being home alone in a house in my house at the time And being worried that something would happen I'd have a heart attack or a stroke or something where I would need medical attention and literally wondering This is no joke. This is this is a joke now, but I would literally wonder if my dog would be able to save me So I understand how real these thoughts can be And feeling the need to be saved from something. So it depends Are you using the safety person as some as a shield against the uncomfortable tasks? Or do you honestly think that they are literally going to save your life somehow Is it somebody is it having somebody there to call 9-1-1? Exactly. Is that what it's about? Yeah, yeah Yeah, so and I think it depends. You have to really look at what is your safe person Say, what do you think they're saving you from? And you have to follow that thought all the way through to its logical conclusion To learn to unmask it and understand that whether that person is there or not Unless you were to get hit by a car and need to call 9-1-1 He or she is not actually saving you from anything because there's nothing that you need to be saved from Yeah, yeah, and it's it's a broken record. I say it over and over and over but I think that's the answer to that That's how you know Shut up So I think that's the answer to save person They're not saving you from anything So, I don't know. Okay. Yeah, up to you. I got one. You got one. Okay. This is a long I know. Yeah, this is from tanya. I'm up Hey, does anybody get really anxious about starting antidepressants? So we're sort of on the medication thing but it's a big thing for me like Even considering taking not just antidepressants because I've never actually taken them But any medication like for me paracetamol my headache has to be Off the charts for me to take paracetamol. I won't take ibuprofen. I don't know why I just won't Like I take propranolol now But it took me so long to build up the courage to actually take it and now I'm in the position Like I'm in the opposite scale now. I'm too scared to stop taking the bloody things So, you know, does anybody get really anxious about starting antidepressants? I think people get anxious about taking medication full stop. Yes. I don't know what your thoughts are on that I I have dealt with many many people who get prescribed medication by various types of doctors who are never take them They're just afraid to take them and they want and forget the judgment on medication aside People who who feel like this will help me. I want the help from this But I can't bring myself to take it It always to me comes back down to being afraid to anything that may cause a change in your body Anything. Yeah. So I went for a long time too. I wouldn't even take aspirin if I had a headache It would not take, you know, ibuprofen for the headache. I would just let it be there And and I still do that. It's just a bad habit that I've just I've kind of Got got myself into I think of just being stubborn But being afraid of anything that might change my mental or physical state Anything and and that extends to alcohol and and other drugs recreational drugs. So Yeah, yeah, I think the worry about taking medication is anything that might It's gonna make me feel different Like it might make me feel better, but it might make me feel worse. Yeah Anything that's going to change the way I feel. I think perhaps one thing is like don't read the side effect label Yeah, the documentation because they have to put that stuff on there I mean, even if there's only one person that's experienced something Yeah, they have to disclose it. Don't they so when you start reading like that It's going to make you feel worse within the first couple of weeks and you could get a rash Or you could you know breathe in difficulties all those kind of things But I I can't remember who it was But somebody once said that if they listed all the side effects that people have experienced from paracetamol The box wouldn't be that big to contain you freaking tablets. Yeah, you know, it would come with a book Yeah, exactly. That's a tough one too because doctors will I've heard this debated A lot of doctors don't even want to tell you the side effects now You kind of from an ethical standpoint, you have to you need that informed consent, right? So in the end, it's up to you to make that decision Your doctor needs to give you all the information you need to make informed consent about your health care choices But many doctors will argue and I understand their point like we don't want to tell people what the potential side effects are Because then we can deal with non-compliance. So I'm giving you this medication Because I believe it's it will help you but you won't take it because you read the you read the side of the box And now you're convinced that you were going to have all those side effects. So It's very difficult. I don't know how to answer this question other than Again, the question was the question was does anybody get really anxious? The answer is yes Yes, many many people have medications. We don't know why Well, I think I think we know why and I think the reason is because we're afraid of anything that might change our state You're afraid. Yeah, that's it feel worse like And it could be anything as simple as like, what if it gives me a headache? I don't want a headache to what if it makes my anxiety even worse Or what if it causes like a white clot? What if I gain weight or if I have sexual side effects? And the side the side effects of ssri is Any neurotransmitter reuptake inhibitor are pretty well documented now because they've been around a long time and Some of them don't sound so great. So I mean, I know men that have avoided taking them because of the sexual side effects And they but again in any medication. There's a red any medication has a risk every single medication has some small element of risk No matter how tiny it is versus the reward. So I could tell you that Every once in a while, I'll have like skipped heartbeats Especially if I get tired and I've talked about this completely benign totally safe And at one point my doctor said because they used to really freak me out. He said, well, I can give you like Propanol you got you have that right? It's a beta. It's a beta blocker I can give you that and I said, well, what will it do? He said, well, it won't stop them It'll just sort of take the twist out of them. So you don't feel them as much And that was a really good illustration to me of like What's the risk versus? What's the reward? That's not it's not going to stop them. Anyway, who cares? Yeah, I wish I'd I wish I'd never started taking mine So now the fear is stopping it. Yeah. Yeah, because I don't want to alter my state Right, you're afraid of what that might be. Yeah. Yeah, and there's probably something in you Yeah, there's something in you that still somehow is thinking that that medication is still protecting you in some way It's a shield. No, you know, I just don't I don't know do I don't want to find out I can remember taking my very very last anti-depressant and wondering that like wow It's been like nine years without like a shield. How's this going to go? It was scary So, I mean it was kind of similar to stopping smoking really just not knowing how I was going to feel You know, I'd read forums of people that gained weight Or you know sore throats coughs and all kinds of stuff None of none of it happened Yeah, but in that case like the known Positive benefits of not smoking outweighed that and you did it Well, people weren't posting them on bloody forums Nothing happened Yeah, yeah, so um I've got another one from Bella Donna and this was on the video that we did When we was talking about how many people are aware or talking about anxiety and mental health and that was do we have an opinion on why In 2017, there's so many more cases of anxiety panic attacks mental illness than there was 50 years ago Um, her parents tell her that it wasn't nearly as bad as it was now or as it is now. Sorry I think we touched on this. We said that maybe social media has a big part to play in it and Well, I'm not just social media media as a whole, you know tv movies There's a lot of talk about it. There's a lot of people that are coming out. I suppose There's more ways to see people talking about it. That's what I was thinking was probably the way I agree with that too. I don't I don't know if it's any more prevalent than it never was Yeah, just Just that now you can hear about it more That's it. I mean, perhaps like I don't know how far going back But the only people that you would really talk to other people in your community It maybe hear something on the radio Or if you went traveling, maybe you'd meet a few more people, but probably the majority of people were quite closely Yes, you know That's why I think I think so too. I think now we just have a much easier time finding other people who have the problem And so it seems like Many people do have the problem. That's not a yeah. That's not news With what's news it's a surprise when you find out like how many people do deal with this The other thing is I think and we talked about this too. We made our little comment about beauty bloggers Which is probably disparaging more than it needed to be but what's funny the watering down the watering down Yes, the watering down of anxiety in a way is a real thing We can probably talk about that for five podcasts, but The word anxiety has become used to describe so many things and and it's true. It's valid I can't say it's not accurate to use the word anxiety in many cases But when we use the word anxiety in this podcast in these videos and the people who are generally watching us Understand that we're talking about a whole different animal There's I think you you said it best is when it becomes the disorder when you modify your lifestyle Correct to accommodate the anxiety. That's what we're sort of We're talking about people that Can't live the normal life because a lot of the a lot of the videos that I've seen like people are They're saying that they suffer with anxiety, but they're out in the middle of the city center Surrounded by people or doing whatever driving around in Lamborghinis like you said last week, you know And that yes, that's we're not saying that they're not suffering with anxiety. It's just that Perhaps we're leaning towards people that can't do those things that don't live a normal life. They're not free to Fulfill whatever dreams or desires that they have that's how I see it when when your lifestyle starts to be modified I think that's what we're talking about and and anxiety takes takes many forms and and here in the us We've oh, I mean you guys went through the whole Brexit thing. That was probably a big deal in the uk And we you know in our last election in november and donald trump becomes our president I have heard the word anxiety more than I ever have in my life Since then and people who are just riddled with anxiety because because he's the president now and like all right I understand. Yeah, I've seen so many posts. Yeah, I mean I get it But I think we're seeing a little bit for folks like us a little bit of the watering down of the word anxiety So I don't I don't know if people have it any more or less and you know what I think people have more I will say this to answer that question probably could answer this in one sentence There probably is more more anxiety if you take anxiety in this textbook definition There probably is more because everywhere you turn now And I was actually talking about this last night. You can see something online on the television Wherever that can stress you out You know the environmental concerns economic concerns political terrorism diseases You know the breakdown of social structure whatever it is that's going to freak you out You can find that in 30 seconds on your phone or your computer So there probably is more anxiety if you take the textbook example But I don't know if more people suffer from anxiety disorders than ever have Yeah, probably people feel anxious, but I don't know if If our issue is any more prevalent than it has So yeah, that would be my answer for that. We'll keep that one. Yeah, we'll keep that one. There you go So other you want to take a few more here? We're we're going to push an hour on this one. Yeah go for it All right, so let's see here There was another one that I wanted to go to and now I cannot find it. Where is it here? Come on come on come on come on come on come on That was the fatigue thing we went over that Oh belladonna has been on my channel too Okay, here's another one about safety behaviors and distractions This is Jenny Jenny wicker Jenny wickerham My safety behavior is watching netflix or checking instagram to distract from anxious feelings or sensations Which isn't really a question more of a comment Um And I think it's worth mentioning that my response to Jenny was that you can actually turn those things into positive things So the keyword is distraction And I think if you find that you are using a device your phone instagram facebook twitter netflix whatever it is To distract you from your anxiety What I mentioned to her is it if you see that and you know you do that already it gives you something to work on And this whole is true for almost anything a safety behavior or a ritual that you're going through If you know it enough that you can actually write a comment to us about it Then that gives you actually something you now have homework to do so it's funny you mentioned that because The comment that I was just looking at on mine was how would I stop my nervous habit of sniffing my nose or clearing my throat Sure But exactly the same principle if you recognize that it's a nervous habit and you can begin You know because you're going to know when you're going to do that Yes, so just try if you can bring your awareness just before Yep Just try not to do it And I think the key here is you can actually use that to to jump forward a little bit So in the case of this particular person she uses checking instagram to distract when she gets anxious And so instead of picking up the phone and going to instagram Just don't do it for 30 seconds the next time you're going to pick that up or next time you feel like You need to do that throat clearing thing. Just don't just see what happens Literally hold off for 30 seconds. You don't have to just stop doing it forever because you can't break a habit that easily Yeah, yeah, you know, well, that's just the way we are But just give yourself 30 seconds. Stop. Put the phone down or don't clear your throat count to 10 Even if you can and and understand like well, I didn't clear my throat or I didn't look at instagram And I'm still here. Nothing. Yeah, nothing is different. That's it. Yeah, so that was my comment on distractions Like if you can if you know them then you can actually work on on using it to illustrate recognizing Recognizing them is the starting point, isn't it? Yeah, I don't don't you know If you don't do it and see that you're still fine, then that that is a good way to start that first step of kind of exposure in a Well, yeah, yeah, yeah So there's that one. Are you got another one you want to throw out before we start to maybe wrap it up Do me I haven't No, I'm good. Well good. I think we're all good too because oh the other one that I want to throw out Before we wrap it up since we did our And I think you I haven't published it yet. I'll put it up on mine. Anyway by the time you watch this It'll be up. So it doesn't matter. I forget we're doing Um the question about What we talked about therapy and professional help and the different types of programs that are out there Okay, we may have specifically mentioned like the linden method and things like that I I am getting a lot of questions. Did we not mention names? Well good I'll send you the name of my lawyer. I guess we're probably going to need it now. Um I have gotten many questions over time about Specific programs and people ask me. Do you have you ever heard of this program? Have you ever heard of that program? Hey ever, you know, what do you think of this one? What do you think of that one? And I get we want name names We don't want to wind up in brawl too. We want maybe we should edit that out. I don't know I don't you know how that goes. You've been there, but um, you want me to swear I think the question I could ask that time about different programs the the the answer You could throw this in anytime you want to but my answer to that is always the same like I mean fine if you feel like you need to give somebody a couple of bucks to help you get down the road That's an individual choice. I don't say that that's that's inherently wrong to do that But I do believe that it's doable on on your own You can do it on your own You don't need a program to tell you what to do like everything we've said in the last however many episodes of this We've done You know and everything you've said on your channel the things I've said on my channel with holly and a million other places Where you can find people like I'm talking about this off is the roadmap you need But if you feel like you need a little more structure, there's nothing wrong with that what I always say is if the program If the program tells you that your anxiety is going to go away quickly Or it's going to cure you or that there's easy way the easy way or that there's some Here's something you never would have thought of that will fix your anxiety Or if it's focused on something that you eat drink sniff or rub on your skin Run That's my own but that's my own opinion. I think it's that becomes a waste of of money and time There's one at the moment. Sorry. This isn't I don't know if this is paid for but it's like it's an advert on youtube So when you go to watch a video, I've seen it on mine before Okay at the very start when the advert comes on it says You're not going to find the answers to panic attacks here on youtube And then if you watch the advert for a bit longer, he ends up saying watch our videos On youtube yeah to figure out how to end your panic attacks So he started by saying you're not going to find the answers to panic on youtube and then yeah But watch our videos on panic Well, you know what mark businesses are businesses. I own a business. I get it. I I'm okay with it I mean, I'm a capitalist. I'm really okay with that that somebody wants to turn this into a business Okay, they have every right to do that at least in the west they do If I've got customers then yeah, that's fine. And you know what if they're actually helping people I'm okay with that too. Whatever helps in the end. I'm fine with but My blanket answer to what about this program or what about that program is be careful of anybody that tells you They're gonna end your panic attacks because that's not really the goal That's the that will be the result But the goal is to not care if you have a panic attack anymore Yeah, yeah, and I think that might be the difference in my approach And I think the underlying approach of people like Claire Weeks that I am such a huge fan of that I talk about all the time Just don't care So your goal is to not ever care if you have a panic attack or not Not to end them. They don't need to be ended. You just have to not care if you have them again And and the result might be the same once you aren't afraid anymore You will probably stop having them so frequently, but that's not the goal So look at the goal of the program you're about to spend your money on and if they're telling you They're going to stop your panic attacks or end them or teach you how to stop them dead in their tracks Then yeah, you are just putting a band-aid on it and spending money on something that might not be worth it If you think about it like if you do that if you do one of these that say they'll stop them And you do have one right and you're automatically going to think that it's failed the program's failed Right, it didn't work I suppose it really has failed because it told you that it was going to stop them So that can be really demoralizing I guess, you know, you've gone through this whole damn program spent whatever you've spent And you've just had a panic attack after six months and they said that you were never going to have one again You know and then you feel whether you feel the program failed or you feel like you wasted your money or you just feel defeated Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah, you you feel like you maybe you haven't done it right or right, right? And I I think if you've if you've had the right goal in mind You can still have that panic attack six months down the road But it'll be an isolated incident in your life It may upset you for the afternoon But then tomorrow you'll just go right back to where you were in living life and being happy again So, yeah, yeah, goals. It's all about goals and expectations in these programs And that's my advice and just I'm just a big fan of like just not a fan of anything that tells you to To eat specific things or drink specific things or rub things on your skin or sniff things like I just This is not a physical thing. I'm sorry. It's just in my world. It's not it expresses itself physically But when you yes, think about what you can eat or swallow whatever you're just dampening the symptoms That doesn't actually fix the problem. So That's my answer to different programs My apologies to those of you publishing different programs Okay No, no apologies. Sorry. I take it back. I don't apologize. I agree. I agree. So screw them All right, I guess we've probably gone long enough here. How long are we going where you're yapping for about an hour? This is I've got one the one one comment that I picked out Leo LTB these videos need way more views All right, Leo, I'm with Leo. Yeah Um, that's true. Like we should you know, like I said, I'm the worst youtuber ever I never asked people to subscribe or like or anything, but You know, the good thing is the good thing is that the feedback that we've had has been 99.9% positive and see I've had a couple of dislikes on the videos But that's because people just like disliking videos. Yeah But you know all the comments have been positive. So that's I think it makes it worthwhile, don't it? Yeah, yeah, and I honestly for me whether 100 people watch 50 people watch or 10,000 people watch Um, you know what if it if it helps a couple of people then I'm good with it. Yeah, that's it I don't need any views. But thank you, Leo Thank you, Leo And I How about one more that I'll throw in I did get a couple of people who said Should we talk about this? No, we'll talk about it offline and then we'll decide whether or not we want to do I'll go on we can cut it out. We can always cut it out. We're gonna edit I like to do these unedited but I'll leave that bit in just so people are like Sorry folks, okay ready? So here's here's what I did get two comments on this because a few weeks ago I've had a bunch of people say, why don't you do this? So I did it and I monetized my youtube videos So yes, if you are watching on my channel, you might see an ad before the video. Feel free to skip the ad I'm not watching it again. That is it. See I just lost Billy. I'm screwed But the point with that is that you're not costing anybody that suffers with anxiety or penny you're costing some Tycoon sitting in an office Maybe a pound a dollar right or less. Who knows? Yeah way less and I guess it's one of those things where I've had people who have been generous generous enough to want to send money Or want to know if I have patreon or any of those things. I don't um But you know what if in the end this is an hour on a wednesday morning in new york that you and I have spent I I like doing this. I enjoy doing it with you So I have no problem with this. It's fun. It's it's it's it makes me feel good to do these things But it is an hour. I have an office full of people outside the door waiting to hear from me But so in a way if there's you know what if it makes a couple of bucks And I could buy the guy's pizza one day or you never you know I don't know whatever it is or I'll I'll take the money and donate it to something. I don't care But I guess they're that's somebody said, well, why did you do that? You know, that's the cheapens it People actually commented and asked why you'd monetize. I had two people On facebook send me messages and asked me, you know, why are there ads on your videos now? So I mean, I'll just throw this out there. I do have a patreon But you don't have to pay into it. It's not I'm not using I'm not spending more time if there's more On patreon. I do what I do. You know, it's just that if people want to help they can But don't don't I'm telling you not to I have monetized videos as well and I've done for ages And that's just you know, if it helps if it frees up an hour So I can spend a bit of time making a bit of content, which is exactly what we're doing now Then you know, it's not costing the the thing with me and I've always said this is that I would never want to take money off people that are suffering because they're paying enough You know with the way that they feel so to take Couple of dollars off a ceo somewhere in fricking california I leave it losing no sleep over that So if you don't don't want to watch the ad click skip skip If you do want to help watch the ad and then go to another video and watch another ad. Thank you All right, so we threw it out there. I'm sorry. I don't know if I should have mentioned it or not But I did get asked. Oh, it's fine. You shouldn't who cares It's not affecting anybody the people that we care about are the people that suffer with anxiety And they're not paying for ads. That's true. That's true Well, if you've hung in with us at the full hour listening to them very well You've done very well and you deserve we should probably pay you like to listen to us babble for an hour So like technically we are kind of done with anxiety 101, but we had a couple other That the medication thing comes up all the time Maybe we'll do one on that and extend the series a little bit But otherwise, I think people seem to enjoy that we do this So we should probably find a way to continue doing these on a on a fairly regular basis Even though we don't have a specific article to talk about I was thinking maybe if we was to take things that may be In the news or if there's certain topics that people would like to see us Maybe talk about, you know, because there's plenty of stuff. There's plenty of Stuff out there. We've said that it's being watered down here. They're everywhere So surely we can find something to pick up on and you know, I like the just off the cuff Chatting. Yeah, it's working. It's always good of me if people want to see it, which They appear to believe. Yeah, exactly So all right, so we'll come up with something for the next episode that I don't know when it's going to be But we'll come up with something. I'm sure and for those of you who have been watching Thank you very much. I know we both appreciate it. We've enjoyed. I've enjoyed Learned stuff. Yeah. Yeah, it's been a lot of good time. So of course, we're gonna find everything that anxiety guy com started my website Anxiety united calm for billy New website. Check it out. It's good. It's good. You did a really good job Basically, I will just say it's just pretty much content sharing. So if you've got like a story to tell or if you want to share an image or A video or whatever it is you can go on you can upload you can share it It's good. There's social stuff on there. There's questions. It's just it's cool. I've enjoyed making it But not as much as I've enjoyed making these videos like subscribe Yes, smash the button the good youtubers smash that smash that subscribe button and hit the little bell icon Anyway, I think that's the problem. Yeah, people don't press the bell and then they don't get notifications and come on Missing out on all our wonderful All right, I guess we'll wrap it up. We'll see you guys in the next one. Yes. All right, bill See you later. Enjoy. Yeah, thanks