 Okay, I think we can get it started now. Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the third community meeting for the Hopper Avenue corridor improvements project from coffee lane to highway 101. My name is Felicia. I'm an assistant engineer with the city of Santa Rosa capital projects engineering team. And I want to thank you for joining us tonight. Live interpretation of this meeting can be heard on the Spanish channel. You can join the Spanish channel by clicking on the interpretation icon that resembles a globe in the zoom toolbar on your screen. Before we begin the presentation, our translator Roberto will translate what I have just said and then our host Kimberly with the city of Santa Rosa will explain how the meeting will work. Good evening, everyone, and welcome to this third public meeting for the Hopper Avenue corridor improvements project from coffee lane to highway 101. My name is Felicia. I'm an assistant engineer with the city of Santa Rosa capital projects engineering team and I want to thank you for joining us tonight. Live interpretation of this meeting can be heard on the Spanish channel. You can join the Spanish channel by clicking on the interpretation icon that resembles a globe in the zoom toolbar on your screen. I'm going to start the translation here. Let's see Roberto. There you go. You're in the Spanish room now. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you Roberto. So, once again, want to let our community members know as you are joining the meeting that you are participating as an attendee. So, if you don't see your microphone or your camera on your toolbar, that is normal. There will be opportunity for public comment at the end of the meeting. However, during the presentation, only the panelists will be viewed and during the public comment only the panelists will be viewed on camera. Please know the city of Santa Rosa is committed to creating a safe and inclusive environment free from disruption. We will not tolerate any hateful speech or actions and will monitor that everyone is participating respectfully or they will be removed. If necessary, we will also immediately end the meeting. This meeting is being recorded and will be placed on the project website. Envision hopper.com follow following the meeting. You'll see that website a few times during our presentation this evening. And I'm going to get a screen share back up. Thanks Kimberly. Once again, I want to thank all of you for joining us tonight. Your participation and input are important to us as we review and discuss the revised concept designs. Along the hopper avenue corridor. The revised designs presented tonight are based on community input received during the hopper avenue community meetings and online surveys provided in November 2022. And March 2023. Tonight's meeting will cover project description. Time frame presentation. Public comment and next steps for tonight's discussion. We will focus on the roadway quarter along hopper avenue from coffee lane to highway 101. And your vision for its future use. I want to hear your feedback on the revised design concepts we are presenting tonight and how the design fits with your vision for the future of hopper avenue. Our intent is to review and review the revised design elements features and functionality and respond to any feedback you may have. In addition to the feedback you provide tonight and online survey will be available following this meeting to capture additional community input. Tonight to the survey will be placed on the project website in vision hopper.com. Now I would like to introduce Brian Fletcher principal with calendar associates. Brian and his team have listened intently and heard your comments through the 10 month community outreach process. Tonight they will share the revised design concepts they have developed that reflect your vision for this vital community roadway. Following Brian's presentation, we will open the meeting for comments and questions so we can hear your thoughts on the refined designs and any comments you may have for this project. As we move through the presentation, if there's a slide you would like to comment on or ask a question, please try not to note the page number so we can return to that slide for reference. Brian, you have the floor. Great. Thank you, Felicia. I hope everyone can see my screen. Okay. Hello, my name is Brian Fletcher, and I'm a principal with calendar associates landscape architecture or Cala. It has been a pleasure, a real pleasure working with the community on these developing alternatives and I'm excited to show you the latest refinements. So tonight's meeting is to present the preferred design plan for Hopper Avenue that was prepared based upon the feedback received during the first and second community meetings, along with the corresponding online surveys. At the end of the meeting, you will have a chance to ask questions and provide comments. To begin, we have a couple of live polling questions for you to answer that will give us some insight about who is on the call. These questions will also be available on the survey that you can participate in after tonight's meeting. Use your mouse to click on your answers. And Kimberly is going to bring that up in just a second. So the two questions are, did you attend the last community meeting. And the second question is, in which of the following zip codes do you currently live. So we're trying to understand whether you participated in the past, and whether you are a resident or in close proximity of Hopper Avenue. We'll give this a second for people to provide their feedback. Well, great. So it looks like we've close to 5050 on whether people were at the last meeting or not. And then it looks like the vast majority of people are actually within the area code of Hopper Avenue. So that's, that's great. So I'm going to be going over a lot of background. So for those that didn't attend the last meeting, you'll be brought up to speed very quickly here. With that, I'll close the polling. And then we'll move on. Just admit a bit more on the project background and goals. Funding for the project comes from the PG knee settlement and is intended to repair the damage to Hopper Avenue, caused by the fire and reconstruction efforts. It also allows for community input to be an integral part of the design process. Project goals include working with the community and stakeholders to develop a collective vision. A vision that accommodates multiple modes of travel, including pedestrians, bicyclists and vehicles. While at the same time, providing traffic calming measures to slow cars down without impacting emergency evacuation routes. This will open to hearing your thoughts on other project goals that we may not have indicated. There are other projects currently happening in the area that our project will coordinate with. These include gas main improvements, additional roadwork and roadway landscape repair that is already underway. This slide illustrates the project timeline and process. As you can see, this is our third community workshop. We have used input received during the prior meetings and surveys to develop the preferred plan we are presenting tonight. We hope you feel that the alternative responds to that input, and we conclude phase one of the project. In late summer fall, we hope to begin phase two, which will include more detailed design and construction. Construction right now is estimated to be complete by the fall of 2025. As Felicia mentioned, the project limits we are focusing on are from Coffee Lane on the left side of the slide to Highway 101 on the right. We have broken the project into three distinct segments based upon their unique characteristics. First, there is a residential zone from Coffee Lane to Skyview Drive and Banyan Place. Then there is a transition zone from Skyview and Banyan to Airway Drive, which leads to the final commercial zone from Airway to Highway 101. Here are a couple pictures of the residential zone. In the image on the left, you can see the wide open configuration of travel lanes, buffered bike lanes, and center turn lane. The image on the right shows the damaged sidewalks and planter strips where trees used to be. These are some pictures of the transition zone that is in between the residential and commercial zones. The image on the left is at the Pioneer Creek Trail and shows a very similar roadway configuration to the residential zone. However, you can see the sidewalk configuration is different and inconsistent throughout this zone, as shown in the right image. Both images show a greater number of trees, but not necessarily all of them are at the back of curb. Lastly, here are a couple pictures of the commercial zone. The image on the left shows the roadway configuration and lack of bike lane on the south side. You can also see the sidewalks and a greater number of street trees. The image on the right shows the mural at the storage facility. During the first community meeting, we showed images of potential improvements that could happen along the corridor for inspiration. These included pedestrian improvements such as wider sidewalks and increased visibility crosswalks. We also shared options for different bike lane configurations as well as beautification elements such as median islands, street trees, gateway signs, and decorative pavements. These graphics summarize what we heard after the first community workshop. We received 116 total responses, survey responses. From the graph on the top left, you can see most of the survey participants were residents that live around Hopper Avenue and in the 95403 zip code. On the right, we asked what types of improvements were most important. Half of the participants thought beautification was most important, with the remaining priorities split between pedestrian, bicycle, and vehicular improvements. The design elements that ranked high in the responses were roadway landscaping, safe bike lanes, and improved sidewalks and crosswalks. There was also a desire to provide traffic calming measures and reduce vehicle speeds. And we know the road surface needs to be repaved. Based upon these comments, we developed a series of preliminary design alternatives that were presented during the second community workshop. Starting at the residential zone, two alternatives were presented. They both illustrated buffered bike lanes, a single vehicular lane in either direction, a center median, with turn lanes when required, and new wider straight sidewalks with a planter strip buffer. The two alternatives differed in that alternative number two included sidewalk bull doubts at intersections. Within the transition zone, we presented two alternatives. Alternative number one continued a similar cross section as the residential zone by straightening out the lanes, adding medians where possible, providing a large buffer for the bike lanes and continuing the planter strip along the sidewalks. Alternative number two still includes an improved sidewalk on the right side, but the drainage area has been expanded to cover the large area of open pavement that exists today. The expanded drainage area could be used to clean stormwater and provide additional landscaping. The center median was removed so that the pavement width does not become too narrow for emergency vehicle access. Finally, in the commercial zone, we presented a single alternative, which proposed adding a bike lane along the left side to close the gap in the bicycle infrastructure. This required reducing bike and travel lane widths. These are the graphics that summarize what we heard after the second community workshop. We received 258 survey responses, more than double that of the first survey. The graphs on the left indicate an even greater percentage of participants were residents that live around Hopper Avenue, and in the 95403 zip code. The point is the input for the alternatives. For the residential zone, there was a clear preference for alternative number two, which included bullbats. For the transition zone, the numbers were closer, but there was a slight preference for alternative one, which removed the drainage area and maximize the buffer between cars and bikes. In the commercial zone, we received significant feedback that more needed to be done to improve the visibility and safety of the bikes. Finally, the word cloud helps to visualize themes found within the general comments. This included a number of comments on landscaping and other design enhancements. Now I will walk you through the preferred designs and supporting materials while pointing out where plans have been updated. First we'll start in the residential zone and the existing conditions. If you look at the map along the bottom of the screen, this condition occurs between Coffee Lane and Skyview and Banyan. Every corridor is very open. There are seven foot wide bike lanes with a wide bike buffer on each side of the street. And the travel lane in each direction with a center turn lane in the middle. On each side of the street, there is a narrow sidewalk and planting areas that zigzag back and forth. This is the preferred plan for the residential zones, and it is an enhancement of alternative number two presented at the last meeting. Some feedback we received on the previous concept was to provide a physical barrier between bikes and vehicles. To explore providing a raised curb or other physical delineators, however, it would have reduced the space for emergency vehicles to safely navigate the corridor and would hamper the ability to use standard street sweeping equipment within the bike lanes. Instead, we increased the visibility of the bike buffers by including flexible bike ballards within the corridor, which you can see on the image on the right. We also wanted to provide you with more a more detailed plan view of these improvements. This plan represents what the street would look like from the air looking down. We have relocated the bus stop on Coffee Lane to just past the intersection. The station configuration puts the shelter on a raised island and allows bikes to circulate between the sidewalk and the island, reducing conflicts with buses. You can also see proposed bulb outs at intersections, high visibility crosswalks throughout, and the planting concept with consistent street tree plantings that work with existing light pole spacing. Moving on to the transition zone from Skyview and Banyan to Airway Drive, here are the existing conditions looking west. There is a large area of open pavement on the right side that leads to a drainage area. This is the part of the road that we are looking to change. Here is the preferred plan for the transition zone, which is an is an enhancement of alternative number one presented at the last meeting. We refined the alternative because it provides the most separation for bicyclists, which has been a consistent theme in the comments. Refinements include the use of flexible ballards and highlighting an opportunity for a community gateway as you enter the neighborhood, as seen in the median. This is the detailed plan for the transition zone, which is an enhanced, sorry. It looks to create raised medians where they do not interfere with turning movements in and out of existing driveways. There are a lot of existing trees to remain within this section, but we will look for opportunities to infill with new trees. Just after Airway Drive, we see an opportunity for a neighborhood gateway within the median nosing and at Airway, you will see high visibility crosswalks and dashed green bike lanes at potential conflict zones. Finally, you will notice a slightly different lane transition for the westbound lane, more on that shortly. The last area is the commercial zone. Here are the existing conditions and you can see that there is no bike lane on the left side. There are also two travel lanes in each direction, which is different from other segments. We heard your comments about ways to increase bicycle safety in this segment. Traffic counts were reviewed with the city and it was determined that it would be feasible to drop one of the two westbound lanes. That space could then be utilized to create wider bike lanes at seven feet and include three-foot buffers with flexible ballards on both sides. This combination will greatly improve bicycle lane safety. The detail plan further illustrates the dropped westbound lane and the buffered bike lane concept. In order to accomplish this bike lane trend, in order to accomplish this bike lane, transition zones would require improvements beyond the Highway 101 ramps. As mentioned before, we have identified an opportunity for a neighborhood gateway feature within the first transition zone median. For this sign concept, we took inspiration from the newly installed sign at Coffee Neighborhood Park so that there could be design consistency. Alternatively, instead of a sign, a piece of public art could signify the entrance to the neighborhood. We certainly would like to hear your input on which alternative you'd prefer. Lastly, we wanted to provide further detail on the developing landscape concept plan. This is a small vignette of the roadway utilized to show where different plant materials could be located. We worked closely with city staff charged with maintaining this landscape on the planting concept. The tree pallet includes large canopy trees in the median, such as London Plain or Oak Trees, more columnar trees along the sidewalk, such as Zell Covas to reduce impacts to adjacent neighbors, and accent trees such as Arbutus or Pops of Color. The ground plane will be largely ornamental grass type plants, such as Mullenbergia, LaMondra, and Junkis. Pops of color from perennial drought tolerant species such as Flomis, Yarrow, and Callistamon. We also wanted to clarify that the city is intending to maintain the entirety of new landscaping, and at this time, and at this time we are not proposing any vines or other attachments to the sound walls, since those require additional maintenance and often attract rodents. We wanted to close tonight by asking one final poll question, which of the proposed improvements are you most excited about? And again, use your mouse to pick as many that apply. Okay, great. So it looks like we hit on the landscape, the beauty of the landscape, certainly the wide continuous sidewalks, and the newly paved street. So we certainly appreciate the feedback, and I'll pass it over to you, Felicia. Thank you, Brian. At this time, we would like to hear from you, our community, so we will now move to the question and answer portion of the meeting. Before we begin, I will ask Kimberly to review how you can participate by asking live questions or provide comments. Kimberly. Thank you, Felicia. Once we call for public questions or comments, we will announce for anyone wishing to ask a question or comment to raise their hand in Zoom. For individuals participating by telephone, you can dial star nine to raise your hand. We will then call on the public one by one who have their Zoom hand raised. When you're called on, the host will send a prompt to enable your sound, and you will need to respond. Once you have raised your hand and asked your question or shared your input, your hand will be lowered and your microphone muted, so our panelists may respond to your question. If you need to have your question translated, please let us know once you've been called on, and then please allow us a moment to confirm the translator is ready. Please remember to speak slowly so our translation team can relay your question. Anyone wishing to ask a question or comment may do so at this time by raising your hand to use the Zoom raise hand feature. And again, if you're calling in star nine to raise your hand. So let's take a look at our attendees. First up in our line is Debbie. So Debbie, you'll receive a prompt as soon as you respond to the prompt, your sound should be enabled. Okay. Yes, we can. Thank you. Thank you. I first of all, I wanted to say thank you for the amount of effort that went into it. I'm very excited to see the, see this take place. But I have two comments. Well, one is, I love the sign versus the artwork kind of identifies our neighborhood coffee park. The second is underneath the trees. My concern is maintenance and weeds growing up along the strips as I drive along stony point on stony point and the adjacent roads. For example, there are medium strips there. And it's weeds and just over time. It just, it looks bad. I had asked if someone could take a look at actually inside coffee park where there are some areas underneath trees where they had taken pebbles and actually glued them into place and the weeds are unable to come up around there. And I wondered if anyone had taken a look at that. And I know people said that it will be maintained, but that is always a goal that it will be maintained. But then, as I look at other older areas that have the similar medium strip, it has not been maintained. Thank you. Thanks, Debbie for that. For those comments and that question. In terms of your question about weed maintenance in the mediums. We will take a look at different types of lead barriers when it comes to actually designing and picking out the trees and types of plantings that will go in that area. And if I could just add to that, we worked closely with the city parks crews that are that are responsible for the maintenance and had very frank conversations with them about what what plant materials can can help them provide maintenance and exactly what you're talking about so when I talked about grass like or ornamental grass like plantings. These are, these are the ones that they've had the most success with infilling and drowning out the weeds and the easiest for their crews to maintain those. So, we will continue to refine and look at what you mentioned the rocks within the neighborhood. And we'll continue to work with the parks crews to refine that. Thank you because there's no maintenance required on the rocks. Thank you. And just a quick reminder, Debbie, you will be able to provide feedback on the gateway. Sign or artwork in the survey that will be posted online. Okay, next up on our list, it looks like we have Alexa Forrester. Alexa, you should be receiving a prompt. Hello, everybody. I, my name is Alexa Forrester and I am an organizer with bikeable Santa Rosa. And we are advocating for safe bike routes and I just wanted to take a at this moment to say thank you for really listening to what people who are using bikes for transportation need to get safely from point A to point B. I was really pleased with a lot of these and I couldn't give you fine grain feedback on what I'm really excited about. But one of the things that we often hear complaints about is the interaction between buses and bikes. So we really appreciate the areas where you've put those bike islands, you know, the islands out so that the bikes can go behind them and and the improvements you made in the commercial zone. We're looking forward to writing on this. Thank you. Thank you, Alexa. Thanks Alexa. Next up we have Chris Gunther. Yes, we can thank you. All right. I am also an organizer with bikeable Santa Rosa. So I'll be quick, but just want to also say thank you. I really like where this has ended up and just want to appreciate especially how far we've come from the initial designs and really the iterative process and the emphasis on community engagement. I think that it helps get us here. I obviously really love the protected bike lanes. Also really like the removal of the lane in the commercial zone. In the last meeting, my comment really emphasized the importance of making that zone accessible to pedestrians and cyclists because it's important for them to be able to get to destinations like the coffee shop and other businesses along that corridor. And I know there are more businesses coming in at this point. I think there's a real potential for increased investment and vibrancy along that stretch. And I think this this design is going to really support that. And I think that extends as well to the beautification efforts. Our focus is around not just bikes, but really creating really people friendly streets. And I think this goes a long way to enacting that vision. My one question was on the ballards for the protected bike lanes in the sketches, they look rather far apart, sort of farther apart than other installations of them that we're used to seeing including the new lane on Armory Drive. And I wondered whether that is, you know, true to or true representation of the distance. And if so, if you could comment on why that is why they can't be a little bit closer to provide a bit more protection. But again, thanks so much really, really like this design. Alicia, if you want, I can respond to that one. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, Chris, thanks for your comments. Yeah, the exact spacing we're going to continue to refine as we moved into construction documents but one thing that we need to balance is the ability for cars to be able to have a refuge when an emergency vehicle is coming by. And that is the main reason for taking a look at a little bit wider spacing between those ballards in order for the cars to be able to pull into the zone for emergency purposes only. Yeah, that makes sense. I'm just curious what the, you know, what the standards are. And, you know, if we can hold up those standards in every instance. But thanks. Okay, next up on our list, we have Becky. I just want to say that I think everything was really great. I've been in the past couple of meetings. The science of entering coffee park. I think that's great. It keeps reminding everybody that this is a neighborhood. Because we call it opera raceway. So I was wondering if what the speed limit might be, because even though I know right now at 35 I don't think anybody goes 35 down Hopper Avenue. So that was one of the questions and one of my main concerns for the safety doing getting out of our of our side streets because we live on hop right behind Hopper. What I think is, I think the landscape is great. I think that kind of helps give it in the neighborhood feeling. I just hope it's it maintained. They noticed coffee park is having a little bit of problems with the maintenance out there. So, we need to get things that aren't too awful. Grow too awful huge and out of control. That would be a great idea. I wouldn't, wouldn't hurt the concrete out there. But otherwise, I think that you guys have done a great job. I'm really liking it, but the speed limit. Yes, that's a big, a big thing on our plate because the noise level and the racing. That's it. Thank you so much. Thanks for your comments and your question, Becky. I think for the speed limit. Rob, do you have any comments on that? Sure. Hi, I'm Rob Sprinkle deputy director for traffic engineering. Yeah, we will, we will reevaluate the speed limit once the implementation has taken place. Also what's coming up in mid 2024 is Senate bill or assembly bill excuse me AB 43 which will also allow us to lower speed limit in certain areas. So we're like to be looking at actually all the streets throughout the city center Rosa to see where we can lower speed limits. And of course, hopper would be included in that list. Thanks Rob. And Brian, did you have any input on the, the potential plantings that wouldn't damage the sidewalks. Yeah, we are very careful these days to select trees that are more appropriate for sidewalk and street configurations that their roots kind of play nicely with curbs and sidewalks. And where we have to we end up putting root control barriers to protect curbs. But more importantly, we've got a continuous planter strip with which helps kind of direct those roots along that corridor and not searching out for additional water within the roadway so we hear you loud and clear. Great. Thank you. Thanks Brian. Thank you, Becky. Next up we have Linda. Excuse me. I'm a resident on one of the side streets. And I'm wondering if this proposed plan address any of the side streets like star view and question here because what I'm seeing is they're doing a lot of patchwork. I don't understand how that isn't really not making the street any safer. It's making it more irregular. So is this only about the hopper area or is it also include the streets that were damaged in the fire that come off of. I'm sorry I missed a little bit of that it kind of broke up for me could you could you repeat that question Linda. Yeah. The plan only address hopper. Or does it also address what's going on with the residential streets that branch off hopper. Yes, so this, this specific project will only be addressing hopper hopper avenue. There will be a separate project that will be addressing the roads that are damaged that were damaged during the fire and the debris removal. The other project is called the Coffee Park in Fountain Grove neighborhood road disaster recovery project. Thanks I have a few more comments. I'd like to know that the people choosing the plants took into consideration the combustibility. I'm concerned about having grasses. In a public way. Because grasses are highly combustible. And I'm concerned about having plants that tend to grow leggy and then look kind of like flowers on the end of lots of dead stems like yarrow, the Achille. I'm also concerned about putting stones as a barrier for weeds because stones may not burn and weeds may not come there but then they heat the earth and make it on it. Make it difficult for roots to grow and thrive. So there's just a couple concerns I have about the landscaping. To address the landscape concerns, as far as combustibility and in dead stems. So we have been working closely with parks crews that understand the maintenance requirements of the various plant materials and such grasses for them are easily topped at the end of the year, as well as the dead dead heads from the yarrow and such. As far as combustibility. We also worked with the fire department on the fountain grove grove planting project and work closely with them on the plant material and the design of where the plant material would be placed in and around trees and not creating fire ladders and such. So we use the same concepts that we discussed with the fire department at that point within Hopper Avenue. And my comments about stones. I mean I know rocks don't burn I understand that. But, um, layers of mulch will bring nutrients to the soil, and it will be an environment for roots of plants to thrive, putting stones on top. As a mulch. It bakes the roots they just the stones just heat up and it's, it's going to require more water and the plants won't thrive. Yeah, I think for comments like that we've heard both sides and it's our job not to at this stage say one is better than the other but just to take the comments. Evaluate how we would address those in the planting concept kind of moving forward. I think there's always a balancing act that we have to take trying to reduce overall maintenance efforts, trying to maintain kind of beautification, and then also certainly sensitivity to the fire hazard so we hear both of the comments and we're taking those in and will continue to evaluate the planting concept as we move the project forward. I have one more comment. I agree with the people that have said the coffee park sign is great for identifying that it's a neighborhood I think that's really important. But as a professional artist. I don't. I'd like to consider also are in public places separate from yes we need to identify our neighborhood. I agree with that. That doesn't mean we should just throw art in public places out the window. I think that should be something that's kind of hovering in the background that might be in the future people might need to get grants. I understand all that, but I don't think it has to be one or the other. It could be done in stages. But I do agree that the coffee park neighborhood needs to be identified with the sign. Great. I appreciate the comments Linda. Thank you Linda. Do we have another raised hand Kimberly. Yeah, we have Pamela. Hi, I live in the neighborhood. And I'm very glad to see this I remember shortly after the fire meeting with neighbors and having us sketch little ideas like this. And so this coming to fruition is great. I have a question about something that's a little bit more recent and I am. There's a lot of problems with side shows that happen along these strips and in these like on the, on the different intersections and I'm wondering if there can be any mitigation efforts incorporated into this at those intersections and even at the coffee hopper section up at star view up at banyan, because this is these are places that those things have happened and is there anything that could be part of the plan that can help mitigate that issue. Alicia, go ahead. Oh yeah. I was just going to thank Pamela for her question and see, and ask you Brian kind of your thoughts on that. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Felicia and thank you Pamela I really appreciate the comment. Yeah, absolutely. We were. I think Felicia and I were just talking about this very recently. When you look at the roadway right now. It very much resembles more of a drag strip than a neighborhood street. It has wide unobstructed swaths of asphalt. It doesn't have street trees. Again, it's a magnet for speeding magnet for other activities that shouldn't be happening because of the width and unobstructed what we hope with the addition of large canopy trees to bring that onto the roadway with the addition of raised pines within the center of the roadway with the addition of bulb outs at the intersections which which will neck down the perceived width of the asphalt. You know the lane still stay the same width, but there's not that extra space it's being taken up by curb and landscape. You very much feel like that's going to have a positive impact on those negative situations. Beyond that it starts to become an enforcement issue. You know where if we can't have an improvement that it's going to be an enforcement issue than a design issue. So, I think it's as kind of Rob said about speed I think it's prudent to have the improvements go in and about reevaluate the speed and reevaluate those issues at that time. Okay, thank you. Thanks Pamela. And I'm looking at our list trying to make sure if anyone had a chance to comment. Looks like we have Spencer. Yes, hi. This is Spencer. And I just want to thank you guys so much for planning all this we're really excited about it. And I arrived a little late so my apologies you probably already said this. But the first three pictures have what looks like turf between the trees. Is that turf or grass or if you could just shed some light on that that'd be great. Yeah, absolutely. I certainly can answer that thank you Spencer. No those. This is a preliminary graphic. The green does not represent turf it represents planting space. We went over, let me try to go back. We went over what those green areas could look like with this slide, having a combination of larger canopy street trees, narrower columnar street trees adjacent to the residents and then underneath a majority of grass like plants like Molumburgia, LaMondra and Junkus in photographs for eight and 10. And then some spot pops of color as well. So that's this gives you a little bit different image of what those green areas would look like. Got it. That makes total sense. Thank you so much. Sure. Thank you Spencer. Do we have another hand, Kimberly? I don't see any other hands at this moment. There is a reminder here. Not sure if you saw that, but there was a reminder to ask our participants to please provide their feedback on the gateway. By taking the online survey because a couple of our attendees, I believe have mentioned the, a couple of our questions and comments mentioned that gateway. So there's, there's more opportunity to provide feedback on that online survey. And I think we have a concluding slide, Brian, you had a slide that there we go. So, okay. I think with no further questions. I would like to express my appreciation and thanks to the members of the public, the panelists, interpreter, and our host for our part participating tonight. We appreciate you taking the time to listen to us and provide your input on the Hopper Avenue quarter improvements project. Next will be final design design build consultant selection and the start of construction that is estimated in 2024. As I mentioned earlier, in addition to your participation tonight, we would also like to think we would also like you to visit the project website listed on the screen. In vision hopper.com and take our online survey, which will remain open through September 13. We also encourage you to follow the projects progress and live updates on the website. Thank you again for participating tonight and good night. And I'm going to just leave this open for another moment or two so that people can have plenty of opportunity to grab that information. And also offer my thanks and wish everybody a really great evening. Thank you everyone it's really been a pleasure working with you. I think that does it for us tonight so goodbye and have a good evening. Thank you everyone. Bye.