 Right, so I went to the doctor then and she said okay you you need these progressive lenses And I'm like okay. That's that sounds interesting good Okay, she gave it she gave me the prescription and then I went over to the to the glad to the lens place and the woman's like Hmm, but I don't think we're gonna give you progressive lenses, and I'm like Okay You're not the expert on it Said I should have that man So I don't really know what I'm gonna get but okay I will say I loved my optometrist in San Francisco because they're their whole thing is I was a family owned and they've been doing eyes for like the past 50 years. Was it dr. C No, was it that was the eye doctor near me in San Francisco, and I just always entertained me that was an eye doctor And his name was dr. C the initials were BS Oh But they found out that my my current job that I was at revision three I had I insures, but I still had my insurance that was active from my last job because I didn't give it to me for a year Even though I signed up for it So they gave it to me for the first up for an extra year even though I left the place So they managed to get my sunglasses and my glasses covered You know, I never knew what my eye doctor looked like growing up. I couldn't see I couldn't see him I think I could pull him out on a lineup But kind of a bad eye doctor right like at like like you would see him after a certain point I would hear it all went well. He sounded like but I did not know what he looked like. Good morning, Len Good morning, Len. Good morning, Len. How you doing? It's me back to Boston You know, I don't know if he started making YouTube videos just for you and they were blurry. I miss seeing you Yeah, they're all super blurry Does this look blurry to you Len? Yeah, why don't you should come visit? I'm not doing so well The final hours of my life, but I do want to tell you I never gave you a good prescription because I wanted you to become I wanted you to come back. That's right. Yeah, I got I have so many eye doctor stories this guy yelled at me one time and I don't you have perfect for what? Why was yelling at you? He was because I think he knew that I was coming in just to get a prescription And he was so angry that I didn't go in like every other year for him or something He was like he was like He's like I'm like, I don't know. Maybe I mean, I don't know. Well, there's a lot of things they can determine from your eyesight like if you have any kind of Any any any risk of macular degeneration? Yes, any glaucoma cataract anything. It's just a health problem Yeah, I probably went too long in between The last time I went was 2006 2016 Why why why does lens intro in the in the rundown read from March 1st Eastern Standard Time? That's me. Did you write that? Yeah, okay? I didn't I didn't mean to spoil your intro I was making sure it wasn't a cut and paste there. No, that was me I'm speaking to you from March 1st Eastern Standard Time Tom. I just got it. I get it. All right There's a head of the rest Oh, yeah, no, I had it. Yes. Should we do a little Daily Tech news show? I think we should yeah, but does this look one or two? Better always like they're both the same Alright Here we go in three two Alex Bond has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Alex become a DTS member at patreon.com slash DTNS This is the Daily Tech news for Friday March 1st St. David's Day 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline. I'm Sarah Lane from studio snubs I'm Shannon Morse from the future March 1st Eastern Standard Time Three and I'm the show's producer Roger Chang Yeah Awesome, but really weird in about three hours for you give me the superlato numbers It's here to illustrate the show and we are here to tell you some tech news So let's start with a few tech things you should know Canada's Department of Justice announced it had sufficient evidence to let the US extradite wall way CFO at Meng Wang Go a Canadian judge will now review the decision to a Determinative extradition will move forward a date for that hearing has not yet been set though Twitter confirmed it is developing a hide tweet feature after code for it was spotted by security researcher Jane Manchin Wong the feature would allow users to hide Twitter replies and conversations that they started Replies would still be viewable through a menu option So I could hide all the people who say you're not as old or cold as me whenever I Tesla announced that going forward all vehicle sales will be made online during a media call CEO Elon Musk said some retail Locations would be turned into informational and showroom locations, but they're gonna shut down some others The move will result in an average reduction in vehicle cost of 6% and let Tesla sell the Model 3 at its promised $35,000 price point Lyft officially filed IPO documents with the securities and exchange commissions on Friday Lyft started as a college carpooling service if you remember back in the day It used to be called Zim ride that was back in 2007 It now claims at 39% market share in the US with 18.6 million active riders and over 1.1 million drivers a new cybersecurity law passed unanimously by Thailand's parliament lets the government search and seize data and equipment in National emergencies the law will be enforced by the National Cyber Security Committee Which is headed by Thailand's Prime Minister It does not however include any industry or civic representation So the Asia Internet Coalition has issued a statement criticizing the law for ambiguously defining scope vague language and lack of safeguards All right, let's talk a little bit more about something Google's doing for Android that sounds like a good idea to me Shannon Yeah, kind of sounds like a good idea to me, too Google is beginning to roll out an update that previously came to the pixel 3 phones That stops you from being able to use voice match as a password So voice match is resistant to spoofing by similar voices or recordings and previously unlocked a phone in response to a voice With the update using your voice on a locked Android phone will only return personal results like your email calendar contacts Your reminders any memory aids you might have put in and shopping lists It also won't unlock the phone voice match can also sync up with Google home and smart displays as well so you can still See people's email if you can mimic them, but I guess it's difficult. It's not impossible. It's difficult to mimic their voice for unlock Yeah, it's it's difficult. This is definitely a really good thing that Google is doing from a security standpoint Uh, but I also feel like it's going to take away some of that convenience from users if they might have gotten used to Using voice match So i'm not sure if they're going to use assistance in the future if they have lost that convenience of unlocking their phone They might still use it for simple things like that But it does take away from some of those tasks like playing music and stuff like that Yeah, I mean voice match needs to get as good at telling people apart as fingerprint sensors or face ID Things like that Then they could go back to just letting you unlock your phone with it, right? But that would be okay It's just that there's that potential for confusion and spoofing Exactly and and for that very Exact reason that's why I never actually used voice match to unlock my own phones with because I've had google pixels for years And that's never been something I've wanted to use just because The the chance that it could be used to spoof my voice or the possibility was there and in existence It's much safer for me to just use something that I know or something that I have which is my fingerprint Does this does this change your mind? Do you say oh well now that it's limited enough? It's okay, or do you are you still like not better safe than sorry No, I still feel like just because it could unlock things like your email or your contacts or even seem like your shopping lists Like those are things that I want to keep private So I definitely won't be using this going forward But I can see how some people might enjoy using that in the future I just I just hope it doesn't ruin convenience for so many people that they're just like well screw this The wall street journals sources say that amazon amazon's been in Doing a lot of news this week is planning to open dozens of low-cost grocery stores in the u.s With the first one possibly opening in our great great city of los angeles by the end of the year The chain would offer a wider selection of products than whole foods But at 300 or 35 000 square feet would be larger than amazon go convenience stores So pray big store overall the report says that amazon might buy regional grocery store chains And is in talks for locations in san francisco, seattle chicago philadelphia and washington dc Yeah, most most big grocery stores in the u.s around 70 000 square feet So these are smaller than than your than your you know your local big safeway or kroger or something like that But they're bigger than a lot of the whole food stores certainly bigger than the amazon go stores And all limits what they sell To not include things with preservatives and and emphasis on our organics And I guess these stores would not these stores would be like preservatives or go here. Please buy some preservatives Right. Yeah, so it's funny if you know if anybody was like well amazon really believes in the whole foods You know way of life that does not sound like what these stores would be no amazon also has a Uh a whole foods grocery store not far from where I live Called 365 which is one of whole foods sort of uh the personal brands of like Yeah, yeah, and so it's it's kind of a whole food store But but very limited only to that line of stuff. So I sort of I wonder how much that that might be related to this So a combination of whole foods 36 365. Is that what it's called 36? Yeah Yeah, there's a whole house brand and the amazon basics house brands, right? Yeah, line the shelves with that stuff and it would be a low cost Way for people to to shop and a way for amazon to serve grocery Uh grocery shopping in more markets where whole foods is just too pricey And uh, it's another place for them to reach out with delivery. I mean these these stores would also Presumably work as hubs for grocery delivery for amazon groceries I love the fact that they have the amazon go stores that they've been testing in a bunch of different cities Because if they brought that cashier less base to a much larger grocery store It would save me so much time But i'm not sure if they're going to go that route because in the article that we read for the show They even explained that they are going to have a large focus on customer service Which is a pretty big requirement that you have people Doing that customer service. Yeah doing amazon go over 35 000 square feet Is a bigger challenge than these smaller stores that they do But if they did some more automation that that's not quite cashier less And let's say they they only stock house brands amazon or whole foods house brands That means it's easier to stock because you're not having to put, you know 15 000 different varieties of toothpaste up there, you know, you only got two or three You know, we were talking Previously about, you know, the tyranny of choice and and having having too many brands this this might be a benefit for people that way It's i'm very curious what they do with this Yeah, and amazon as we've reported in the past has gotten into certain brands that make sense for consumers like pet food and baby diapers and the list goes on So it it makes a lot of sense that a low-cost amazon grocery store might be amazon branded exclusively A study published in the journal science on thursday describes a new way to monitor pre-term babies with a cordless Wafer thin sensor made of a silicon-like casing with soft mechanics that use little or no adhesive Uh, they use near field communication nfc the same thing you use for for your android pay to collect vital science data And a bluetooth chip transmits it to a mobile device The sensor itself is powered through radio frequency through rf. So it doesn't need a battery That that reduces the weight the wires That are on the current sensors Make it difficult for doctors and nurses to access a baby quickly. It impedes parents from holding the baby A lot of times it's thought that skin-to-skin therapy Might be helpful. This gets in the way of that. It impedes you from breastfeeding So having these lightweight cordless sensors would be better for all of those situations because you wouldn't have all the Chords hanging off the scientists tested it with 21 neonates That's that's new babies for the study and a further 60 babies tested after the study was published yielded the same positive results And they have not yet observed any negative side effects a lot of times too Those electrodes can can leave a little skin irritation because of the adhesive. So these are better about that as well A large trial is still needed and is scheduled to happen in zambia india and pakistan later this year And the us fda approval could come in around five years. They think if all goes well This is so cool. I mean this isn't necessarily something that affects me personally But it it's something that i've had friends who have experienced You know having having a baby before their their term date and And having to deal with you know all those wires and everything on your baby They say from their own standpoint like psychologically it really affects them even as parents The fact that they aren't able to spend as much time like emotionally bonding with their baby Just because they can't hold them as often. So I could see this even really helping positively the parents too Just just for their own psyche and for their emotional attachment to their children There's also the idea that this would lower the cost of rollout since the the bluetooth can be read off of phones and tablets Uh, you don't have to buy expensive specialized equipment and that would help in in a lot of areas That's one of the reasons they want to test this in zambia and pakistan and india Uh to to see how well it works in areas that that don't have quite the infrastructure To to have a lot of these kinds of monitoring situations. It could it could save a lot of lives Honestly, um, so really interesting to watch. I I agree with you The music industry is still not dying. Yay Yay Well, the ria is here to tell you wrong tom Uh, their year end revenue report says recorded music revenues rose 12 percent to its highest level in 10 years and the third straight year of growth Streaming revenues accounted for 75 percent of the total u.s. Industry revenue with physical accounting for 12 percent digital downloads for 11 percent And sink for 3 percent But not to worry ria a president mitch glazer said streaming Stream ripping and a lack of accountability for many big tech companies that drive down the value of music remains Serious threats as the industry strives for additional growth. Oh mitch. You would say that wouldn't you? It's so mitch If you've ever watched the grammy's mitch is the the old white guy who walks out midway through and everyone claps and he's like Hey, i'm mitch. Um, every every once in a while in the past He would give anti piracy speeches. He seems to have calmed that down But it really I mean, okay to be 100 fair granted. Uh, the ria a Estimated larger revenues back in 2007 than the music industry has now So they're they're not back up to where they were and that's perfectly fair for an industry to say Hey, we really we really need growth to get us back where we were we took a hit. However Just you know dig it stream ripping is stream ripping really the thing that's driving this down Haven't we learned the lesson that piracy didn't hurt the music revenue? Uh, it was it was just a diversity of entertainment and a lack of convenience as soon as you provided people convenience They took drm off of mp3s in advance of the resurgence of music growth Making it more convenient is what brought back your growth. So don't rip into stream ripping Don't ramp into the big tech companies and accountability Emphasize what's saving your industry which is making it easy for people to enjoy the music they want and pay for it That's what spotify brought Right, exactly. And that is, you know, the whole streaming conversation a few years ago or people being like, I like to own my own music this is crazy the artists aren't good enough of of of The kickback that they should that they would have gotten if somebody bought the album Well, we're in a world where streaming works And it doesn't necessarily mean that that it's it's it's working all that well for artists That definitely depends on the artists and and their specific Situation with their own record label. However, that's what works for consumers Certainly works for me. Tom, I know sometimes we fight about the fact that you know, you like physical stuff rather than Streaming but that has been the way that most consumers have decided this works for me This is how I can enjoy music and the numbers show that Yeah, I it's not Nate Langston is the one who liked physical stuff I I preferred the the digital download stuff. So I'm kind of on that that low end of scale Well, I guess I mean physical files. Yeah Are some are local somewhere in on a hard drive But I I do want to point out that As streaming has gotten more popular the complaints about artist revenues have reduced Because it was always about scale when people were talking about the small amounts They were getting per stream and the small checks they were getting it was because you didn't have the scale yet As the scale gets better than what sarah said is perfectly right It's going to be solely on what kind of a deal does the artist have with its label and is the label Treating it right because there is the money is there now it is coming in Microsoft is adding a new feature to excel from mobile that lets users take a photo of a printed data table And convert to an editable table in the excel app itself The feature will roll out first on android and then come to ios and be available to subscribers of microsoft 365 Microsoft says that ai is used to make the conversion possible and this will also make one of the comic xkcd's characters very happy Yeah, if you don't read xkcd Uh, just just last week. They suggested the dot norm file format for Yeah Image files of spreadsheets that are embedded in word processing documents Which some of you may be like really people do that people do that like scientists do that It's it's a thing out there To coin a phrase I'm so thankful. Nobody has ever tried that with me because I would bark back at them Uh, yeah, send us your favorite story of when you got an image of a spreadsheet to feed back at taley technicio.com Because uh, I this is one of those things where if you haven't run into it, you're like, why would you need this? But totally those folks who have run into it are going to be like, oh, thank goodness I hope this works because i'm so tired of of clicking a cell and then realizing. Oh wait, that's not an actual table That's just a picture of a table I will I would highly suggest to anybody that is testing this on their own android or ios devices once it comes to ios that you definitely Double-check the information that is brought into the spreadsheet from the screenshot because there have been multiple occasions where i've noticed that ocr or ai gets the data incorrect Based on how grainy the images or how how lined up it is how aligned it is So definitely just double check. No shannon microsoft said they use artificial intelligence. So it'll be perfect, right? Uh, you're so funny, tom Hopefully it's better. Hopefully hopefully they've improved it somewhat. I but it's a it's a good shannon's Giving you wise words of advice there Super smart. Uh, well folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day, you can be smart too I just enjoy it in five minutes. That's all it takes. So go to daily tech headlines dot com and subscribe and get up to date Uh, we're gonna pull in a study from a couple days ago because this was getting a lot of attention in our analyst slack The folks on patreon, uh, the back has said a certain level get into a slack and they were kicking this around It's a study from cord cutting dot com that surveyed 1127 people using amazon's mechanical turk this was It's an attempt to to do a statistically viable study, but it's not perfect So, you know, your mileage may vary but they did try to get it to about a 50 50 male female split They tried to have a good range of age groups in there as well And they asked about what they call mooching and i've noticed every other outlet that picked it up calls piracy I don't think logging in to someone else's netflix account with their username and password is piracy It's mooching. I love that mooching is what cord cutting dot com called it. That's what i'm gonna call it Uh, netflix appears to be the most popular with moochers Borrowing logins for up to 26 months is a time for the most part while prime video Uh was usually borrowed for 16 months and hulu for 11 months 48 percent of netflix moochers use a parents login So i'm assuming it's someone who's moved out of the house, but still uses their parents login 14 percent use a brother or sisters. My sister actually turned me down on that She's like no, I want to own my own if everybody who mooch is paid for their own subscription instead of mooching It would bring netflix in an extra 192 million dollars amazon would get an extra 45 million dollars and hulu an extra 40 million dollars However, not everybody who mooches would pay on their own. That's kind of why they're mooching, right? The largest age group of people mooching netflix and hulu was millenials Uh at 18 percent and 20 percent. So it's still pretty evenly spread, but millenials were a little more likely Baby boomers were tops for mooching prime video at 19.5 percent But again, it was fairly evenly spread out between those this brought up The conversation that we're going to have today, which is Is this okay? Let's start with legal i'll treat the legal side of it because that's not so much up for debate unless you're a lawyer strict readings of the computer fraud and abuse act would probably call mooching Uh accessing computer resources and the computer fraud and abuse act We've talked about on the show before is very problematic because it is so broad So technically you're not authorized to access the computing resources of netflix By netflix if you're using someone else's account So you technically are breaking the computer fraud and abuse act law But in practice, nobody is prosecuting this nobody's enforcing the computer fraud and abuse act that way so practically I don't think anybody's in legal trouble here and if somebody tried to use the computer fraud and abuse act It would cause such an uproar it would probably I don't know it might actually get the computer fraud and abuse act changed So it's not anyone's interest to do that But is it ethical shannon sarah roger? When is it ethical to do this? Well, um, okay Uh as as as a court cutter myself, um, and I know that I am and and I know that there are a variety of Ways that people can get content myself included over the years um, I have mooched off of my mother's own Uh account which shall remain nameless, but it it has happened worked really well until it didn't and then whatever But um, yeah, you know the the two of us were sort of like, hmm. Are we gonna get in trouble? No, we're not gonna get in trouble I mean I got your username and your password and I've you know, I downloaded the right apps and No one's going to like know that it's not my mom in my house accessing something and it's me instead But ethically I do believe it's unsound I I personally believe it's um It's a gray area. I uh, I I let my mother mooch off me My parents because one they don't I don't really use Netflix all the time Two they very infrequently use it And so my my logic is it's like Wending your car out to someone that they need on the occasion. They're not using it constantly They're not watching like 40 60 hours a week of Netflix or maybe watching Although you own your car even if you have a loan you still are the only yeah, and if that person has a driver's license They can drive the car, but they're not on your insurance That's true. That's true their insurance provides for loaning out So there's there's coverage for that as long as my parents use like five to six So I really don't see what the problem is and why are you accusing me of anything? Shannon, what do you think it is? um, I have to agree that it is a gray area as as roger put it um, but my my problem comes down to Like how how you are using it like if you're offering up your password and your username to a ton of people Who are just friends then? Yeah, that's kind of unethical But if you're using it with a co-worker at work for example one of my co-workers We wanted to watch the handmaid's tail. I didn't have a login, but she did So she logged in on her work computer How how would they be able to enforce whether i'm watching that on her work computer? Well, she steps away and does her own thing or if i'm or if she's actually there with me They have no way to enforce that so how could they? Well, they limit the streams right that's what netflix does They say at this at this price level you only can have one stream going at a time And if somebody else logs into your account and tries to watch a stream We're going to tell them no there's somebody already streaming So there's there's sort of a natural block there I think at the highest level you can have four people streaming netflix at once But but even more than that Uh at ces 2016 which I know is a couple years ago now, but uh netflix ceo read hastings said quote We love people sharing netflix That's a positive thing not a negative thing and he went on to say that Household sharing led to new customers because kids subscribe on their own eventually as they start to earn income They don't want to be mooching off the parents because maybe the parents are only paying for one stream at a time And they run into that block or maybe they just don't want their parents seeing what they watch in the watch history Because anybody can go into anybody's profile HBO CEO richard plepler who by the way is no longer hbo ceo as of today He's being removed by atnt they're letting him go But when he was still hbo ceo told buzzfeed in 2014 It's not a fundamental problem And the externality of it is that it presents the brand to more and more people and gives them an opportunity Hopefully to become addicted to it. We're in the business of doing is building attics of video The way we do that is by exposing our product our brand and our shows Hulu's even got terms of service that say If you let someone else in your account, you're responsible for anything they do They don't specifically prohibit it in their terms of service. So honestly Most of these companies. I don't think really care exactly and you know, honestly I'm glad you brought those points up because I did end up paying for hulu So I could watch the handmaid's tale on my own And I didn't want to lose my spot in the season And I would lose my spot if my coworker ended up watching the show without me And you also mentioned the privacy Issue that you might have with that is the account owner will be able to see whatever you watch if you are logging into The same username and password as them And not only that but your algorithm is going to change on your feed So for example, and I saw no argument for this but netflix should use this argument If you aren't using separate users on the same account for one of their premium accounts, for example That allows you to have multiple like family members and your algorithm is going to change I can't tell you how many times my husband got mad at me because there was anime recommended to him in this news feed Like that's it. Eileen Eileen makes makes us watch certain shows on her profile and haunting of hillhouse. She's like we're watching that on your profile I don't want to I understand that fully Well, thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit. It is our own algorithm of sorts You can submit stories and vote on other stories at daily tech news show at reddit.com Thanks to everybody who submits everything every day. You make our show better all of our shows daily tech headlines as well Also, we're on facebook facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Look, it's the mail bag. Oh, look it is. We got an email from andre who said I was listening to your discussion on the delivery robot discussion and thought of a few wrinkles If you lived the maximum three miles away from the hub, it would take over 30 minutes for your delivery to arrive given the expected Five miles per hour cap that tom suggested probably was the case you have to get out to the edge. Good point. Good point Because you see that's why you need 10 miles per hour. This is just the delivery time though says andre Not a big deal unless it's a pizza or any other delivery that's needed hot 10 miles per hour is still pretty slow When considered how much quicker bicycles are this is also ignoring the fact that most cities wouldn't allow motorized devices Like that on sidewalks right away. I'd like to see them using the relatively untouched bike lanes in my city and go a little faster Yeah, um, most cities are allowing these but after a trial period They they need to have the the companies prove that they're responsible and aren't you know mowing down pedestrians and stuff So, yeah, they don't go on the sidewalks right away. That's that's a good point using the bike lane seems like a good idea I wonder if there's any uh, side effects to that that we haven't thought of but uh, good good email there andre Well, I I I assure you that bicyclists everywhere will have words when the robots start infiltrating There you go. That's immediately, right? Yeah, that's that's that's where we're going with that one. Yeah We also got uh, uh, yeah another email from kevin, right tom? Yeah, uh, kevin wrote someone may have mentioned this but disney is developing robots that act human for their marvel shows at the theme parks The robots fly through the air and land on their feet They are thinking this will be safer than using humans over and over to do these stunts I could see where the robots could replace some of the actors who are subject to possible injuries Uh, and these robots that fly start on tethers, but then they kind of just get thrown and land on their feet Uh, they're not autonomous like the ones we were talking about earlier this week So the autonomous ones would be able to do even more. It seems like Uh, that's awesome. Yeah That's so cool. So Yeah, like if you I don't know you could even like take it a step further and think okay. Well, there's some Speaking of ethics. There are some ethical issues that some people have with Theme parks that are you like sea world, right? Like do we you know figure out How an animatronic orca works so that kids can learn all about a certain kind of of of species without it being an issue for the species itself Yeah No, that's a good. That's a really good point All right, uh, let's check in with len peralta who has been drawing a species of art while we've been talking len What do you got for us? Well, you know, I loved your discussion about, uh, mooching off of hulu and amazon prime and netflix I don't know if it happens around here, but I I think I did Create a brand new Name for these people. They're called stream moochers And that's what this image shows Uh is a couple of I don't know millennials who are getting uh getting their stream hit of netflix in this thing Right to their brain. Uh, so it's um, it's a pretty interesting little image Yeah, netflix is going out of a guy with netflix for a head straight into their brains That's the way I watch netflix. 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Everybody will talk to you monday This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frog pants dot com The club hopes you have enjoyed this program Did I have a Friday is in the camp. Hi to go everyone another week is in the can Oh, I like this mooch a view about netflix. I lie. I mean I As soon as you said that I was like this has to be whatever, you know, it's good It's gonna have to be the title frontrunner. Yeah something moochy If we uh, if we entertain some others on this list, uh, you know, just to to share the love That's fine, but I think that's it, right? That's gonna be the title Of course. Yeah Moot should do about nothing Moot should do about netflix It's moochy. It's mooching. That's so Mitch is another one That's so Mitch Uh Tables Much much get off my account But yeah, hey you get off my account moochy do bad netflix is That's the one. It's the one the very same. Yep Sometimes these titles just They are indisputable. Yes They roll off something Sham, what are you up to this weekend anything good? Um, yes, actually, um, if you are going to well If anybody out there listening is going to b sides san francisco, which happens right before rsa security conference I will be volunteering at b sides on their Public safety group volunteering team. So you'll see me running around there Making sure everybody is safe and following the code of conduct, which i'm very excited about. Oh, that's good. That's cool Roger told me you weren't going to rsa, but I didn't think to ask about b sides Oh, yeah, i'm not going to rsa. I've I've kind of cut out of that one. It's way too corporate for me Uh, we're the cool kids Right Exactly. So going to b sides for sure though. That one's the really fun one So i'm doing that and my friend and co-worker is moving into a new house. So i'm going to help him Pack up a bunch of boxes and get over to his new place and maybe we'll do some painting I'm actually really excited about that because I like painting houses, which is really weird, but Something I found I I can see it. It's sort of meditative Right kind of way. Yeah It's fun. So that'll be cool. And then Yeah, date night tonight. That's it Date night. You you gotta get you got a good weekend ahead Yeah, that's good It's funny. I'm speaking of um painting and meditation. There was an apartment that I um This is years ago in la but like my first stittin la so it was like over 10 years ago and The the guy that lived there before me he had painted all the walls brown It was just was not going to work. You know and yeah, the landlord was like, I don't care what you do just you know, leave me out of it and um, so it was like I don't know like went to like Sherman Williams and you know got got a bunch of paint and Every time I painted the wall What seemed really nice on the swatch was not actually nice on the wall because it changes You know and the light hits it a certain way and it was like my boyfriend at the time At one point he was like, Sarah, this is madness I can't help you anymore. Like I need to leave Like I I'm out, you know, and you know, I was like, I'll find I'll figure it out, which I did Which I did by the way. Um, yeah, we went like Just a little like instead of pistachio was more of like a teal and it eventually worked out But it was one of those things where I was like it consumed my life for like a solid four days Oh, geez because the wrong um color on the wall. You're like, I can't live this way. I can't Yep Then you're laughing but you must you must know No, I know I know it's like Um, we've been wanting to paint our house. We've been here for 10 years and we wanted to paint in our house And uh, it's a slow process It is sometimes you just have to live with a color you hate Hmm Depends on how much you hate it. I think I think it can be unlivable unlivable if you hate it enough The wrong pistachio Uh shaped. Yeah, for example. Oh, yeah, the wrong round. You can't wake up. Oh, yeah That's why when we painted our house before we left We did this really nice kind of chocolate brown, which actually Worked that's a nice warm brown. I'm sure. Yeah, yeah for the kitchen for sure Oh, I love the colors we did in our old house. We did we did a lot of pop walls and stuff like that like Paint paint every room every every wall of the same color except for one wall like crazy green or like a Like a bright blue or a yellow or something and it was just you know, it's kind of a neat thing to do Yeah, um color can can can really make a room, you know, if you get it right Um, yeah, even an accent wall type of thing I do like painting too. I was laughing at Shannon because that's your weekend, but I do like painting It's a lot of it is fun and I um I get really um Particular about it and like, you know like doing the You know the like doing the border is I love doing the border and then Oh when you when you take and you take the tape off and it's perfect Oh, there's nothing better than that No, yes except when you take it off and you realize it wasn't fully pasted and there's a little bleed and you're like Yeah, sure Yeah, when you when you when you strip when you strip the tape off and you haven't screwed it up It is one of the best feelings the honor Off you're like, oh, yeah, that looks so good. That looks oh crap. Yeah Just put the tape back on and never leave it. Yeah Chisel it off there was a um, I lived in this uh apartment With a couple of roommates in San Jose, california many years ago and it was this old victorian It was the cutest house, but it had just sort of weird wallpaper that had obviously been there for a really long time And our landlord who didn't live in the house, but he lived nearby and he was he was nice and we eventually convinced him like We got to get rid of this wallpaper, you know, like what No one wants this like let's get rid of it But it was going to be a big undertaking Yeah, and none of us really knew how to do that and there's there are these sort of almost like Oh, they're they're like kind of rollers where you were rolls on it and then yeah Yeah, you basically like get it off of the wall, but then you still have to make it Yeah, you have to you know, it has to be wet and it was this whole thing But I mean There was I mean if anyone loves painting, I will tell you there is nothing more satisfying Than getting like a big strip of bad wallpaper off of the wall You know And it was yeah, like all of us were like we were so committed, you know Like I was sort of sweating and like, you know eating sandwiches and getting the wallpaper off the walls and I don't even remember what we painted it afterwards, but it was it was such a fun experience It is fun My mom was really weirded out when I like volunteered to take down all of her wallpaper in her house when she decided to upgrade to Just painting Yeah, I'll do it and then I did it for like eight hours straight and she was just like, are you sure honey? I mean she fed me and everything, but she was just like, are you sure? Yeah, it it was it was a weird Because I I had never I never had wallpaper growing up in any house. Yeah, I don't think I've ever had wallpaper Yeah, so you know and we were all sort of like, well, we don't like this wallpaper It's very antiquated but like how do we get it off and they're actually hard ways to do it and they work pretty well Yeah, exactly the Wallpaper at our old house was put up so poorly that all we had to do was just touch it and it would come off except for one room where somebody Put oh my gosh They took these fake plastic bricks or these like these bricks and put them all up on the wall With this Incredibly sticky glue. It was the worst. It was the worst And they didn't made a lot of bad choices in our old home as far as decorating And that was one of the worst one. It took us forever to get that that Glue off our wall was terrible Yeah, I mean wallpaper is one of those things where you think of well Well, some people think of wallpaper is like, oh, that's old-fashioned But there's like really cool modern wallpaper that again like an accent wall or you know, it's it you know It can be like a really cool pattern and looks super awesome, but it's very specific So yeah, I could I can see where if you were I don't know working in real estate You'd be like, oh god, don't wallpaper your walls because it's that a hassle because the next person's not going to want whatever the You know person before that wanted We uh, we had paneling Put in when I was a kid And it was there until I moved out of the house in 1988. Uh, I think it was put in the late 70s Yeah, and it was it would was buckling in some places. Yeah Paneling is bad. The other thing too is if you have to paint over paneling and believe me I did It sucks so much the paint in you have to use more paint if you're painting paneling because it's just so porous Uh, and it's the worst Uh, it was the worst they did made so many bad decisions in our old home What's worse is when you have to fix the underlying structural issues before you can do anything else Yeah, what's the worst that is worse is that we're ending the video stream But what's okay about that is we'll be back on monday video On this little podcast audio folks stick around there's more to come