 Hang tight. We're going to get started here very shortly Monday March 23rd calling the architecture review board to order first on the agenda, so I'd like to thank everyone for dealing with the technical upgrades that we're trying to work through this afternoon to accommodate the current health issues and we have a number of people Calling in in addition to present here at City Hall And because of that we will do a roll call, but before we do Charlie Wig is a new member on the board and would like to acknowledge that and do Quick introductions, maybe just as we go through roll call you can see who we are So I am Joe Clark all the person suboglio is here Jerry Jones You're online. Thank you Dick Lindy here Pam Langen Don't think Pam is joining us Bob Heimerle and Charlie Wig here Thank you And if I could have everyone please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America And to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all and I Under item 1.3. Are there any potential conflicts of interest to be brought to the board's attention? Hearing none. I had moved to item 2.1 approval of the minutes from our March 29th board meeting We have a motion and a second from dick any further discussion Hearing none all those in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed Minutes are approved. Thank you Item 3.1 our first discussion item for this afternoon is the resubmitted of the new oscar apartments at 1436 south 15th 15th Street if the Presentation crew could come to the podium so we can hear the microphone and So the folks on the phone can hear you also and if you can just give us a quick update on what's changed And we'll take it from there Thrilled to be here seeing you all again wish it wasn't for revisions to this project It was a fun field trip with my 16 year old a lot of good highway driving time. So So the reason we're here today if you can go to the second page of this So we actually were at a fully designed hundred percent CD set of drawings for the project that was previously Approved so what has happened is since we first started working with the site We obviously were aware of some of the Geotechnical history with the bluff that used to be on the site trying to work with the previous owner Trying to work with Kohler as much of the Phil was from them and then working with Wisconsin DNR Through the county's EPA grant and really understanding kind of the history of this thing which is extensive So this slide is very important. So the red That you see on the south side of the site that you have an interior finer dashed line and then the exterior Thicker dashed line. So the conclusion of everything a year worth of this investigation was that you can't build multifamily within that red area And any other state that I've ever worked in the local DNR. That's in variants you could get all of our Environmental consultants we use feel the same way Wisconsin DNR does not like to give variances, which is fine We you know are not begrudging about that, but it forced this redesign so then we were at a spot where we were Rejiggering the site to try to make everything work Which is how we've gotten to where we are today So if you recall the previous design had all detached exterior garages We have moved all of the parking underneath the buildings So all three of these buildings have fully underground, you know, 10 feet underground Access control temperature controlled Parking we lost eight units. We were at 248 before we're at 240 now So that is the genesis to where we've gotten. It's obviously been an expensive redesign. We've lost quite a bit of time You know, we're still working with HUD as our lender and they're amicable to all of this So you have all of the normal information in your packet that you normally would have Steve very intelligently requested that they put this document together. So you have kind of a side-by-side right in front of you The the conclusion of our previous exercise which included all of your conditions And approved plans to what we're doing today We did previously have four buildings and now we have three if you recall the previous plan had the one large building and Three smaller buildings now all three buildings are essentially the big building. So there's no more of the small building Otherwise exterior facades of the building are the exact same intent of what you approved before I brought the materials back This is the exact same box of materials you approved before none of that's changed. We still have 50 percent Balcony coverage facing the main roads like the city had requested and we agreed to before There wasn't question on building height and interpretation So I think the technical detail that's in the document The short answer is the building is the same height as it was before except at the ends obviously where We're sloping down to get the ramps into the grads. So at the ends you have more exposed foundation Which could be interpreted as additional height Our interpretation if you do, you know average exterior Height one the linear of the building gets with when what we were before The other change that I believe you all would care about is previously We were trying to save the building that's in the northeast corner of the site It's currently a garage building that was built believe in the 40s or 50s This redesign does not allow for that to stay. So we're now tearing that building down, but the current plan Contemplates a salvaging material from that building and from the building on the southeast corner So salvaging brick the historic timbers inside the building and the roof trust system And repurposing those materials to build A pavilion similar to this just with some precedent imagery of what we're thinking It's hard to know exactly what that'll be until we actually get an inventory exactly what's in those buildings But it'll be roughly 1200 square feet Still creating the pocket park as an amenity for the bike trail that we had before those The intent of all of those things has stayed the same So we can I don't know how you want to go through this we can go through this has The previous site plans previous elevations Um, and then obviously the new ones also that are before you I think it's been in the package. So hopefully everyone's had a chance to review and formulate questions So I would open it up for questions and I'll start The exposed facade at the parking level underneath. What is the material there? So we have not defined exactly how we were treating it because we partially went down the conversation with you guys Because we see it differently in different places, but it's obviously at this point exposed concrete I mean, it's part of the foundation wall system Um, it can be painted I think that you'd have to do it correctly if you tried to continue down the hardy board material That's doable also. I I don't have a strong preference that would not stay exposed concrete. I can tell you that But we partially wanted your all feedback because I assumed you would have an opinion You do have that condition obviously on all six ends Okay Would it be possible to make that concrete exposed aggregate? Um, I don't know why it would it be we definitely talked to the contractor and see if that was an option So we could have some color to that Concrete yeah, I'm happy to ask them whatever your all's preference is I think that there there's a cost to finishing it no matter what we just want something that will Hold up well over time and wear well and you know not be Something that's unpleasant to look at About that is definitely an interesting idea for sure Fortunately, we've come to know a concrete guy pretty well here in town. So Yes So gerry, please go ahead. This is gerry. Um, just as an fyi. I I'm only getting like every other word of everyone speaking So I probably won't have too much input from this and just so your work Okay, thank you. Do you have any other specific questions that we can address for you? Uh, no, no, I from what I can do, I think everything's on the table so far. So no questions from mine yet Great. Thank you other questions or comments otherwise thoughts for the The exposed foundation at the parking decks Uh, dick had suggested possibly an exposed aggregate Uh, it sounds as if everyone's in agreement that some sort of treatment there would be Preferable to just absolutely raw concrete That to me seems like something that could be left for you to figure out What your preference would be and then bring that back for staff review Can you bring the same bottom color of material to the aggregate so it doesn't look like a straight building? Um, because right now you go white brown white, right just kind of yeah, I would think so looks cheap Yeah, you know I bring that bottom brown material straight down that would be Extractable Yeah, we're open Our my previous experience was that you all actually you're good at engaging in kind of the discourse of you know What it's going to work? Well, so I figured I could show it some way and then it would probably end up Having a conversation about what it was going to be so we might as well just have the conversation I guess as as I'm looking at the, uh, perspective that shows the corner of the building with that foundation exposed That material goes under different colored materials of the building So trying to match one piece it's going to then clash Other pieces and it's probably not financially feasible to do multiple different color or material Treatments to that unless it's just paint Um, so picking something that's maybe Complementary to everything and just running that throughout Seems like an efficient way to do it. Yeah If there was a paint product that is a more robust product that would seal the foundation and hold up over time And then they could match it to the darker brown color. Would that be an option? color-wise if it matched and if then it It's kind of made to deal with meeting up with the ground and dealing with snowing against it and such So leaving the concrete and just painting it with a good paint And then matching the colors of the material above it To me that would be acceptable as long as it's well maintained On if it fades it all touching that up to keep it consistent other thoughts from the board Charlie, this might be a good one for you. Yeah, I'd rather not see hearty on that part because it's going to fail I'd rather not see hearty on any of the building It's got problems and it's not user friendly with silica dust and the new rules. So The fact that you picked it over lp smart side, which has the exact same look doesn't make sense to me So i'm not positive that we'll end up with hearty. We're looking at the other choices You know, I think it'll just be a still have to be positive when you come This is my first meeting. It'll be a cementious product The hearty is what we've shown you today, but I think they're comparable products between the different manufacturers that look exactly the same that between lp and hearty to address that point charlie the Typically things are submitted with actual product samples if they deviate from that the request is to run that past staff If it's a close enough match and staff feels it's acceptable They'll be able to approve that if there are concerns they would then bring it back to us again All right. Yeah, we've had more issues from the installation side up here I think, you know, um the further north we find that we go There's just lots of a preference for people want to work with the hearty product. So I think it's really partially who our contractor ends up choosing to do that scope Do you think that that paint option would be a reasonable approach then and I think it's a better idea Honestly, I know it's the cheapest idea, but as long as you maintain it like suggested about the board That's critical. Not that you buy the cheapest paint you can find. No, it wouldn't be We're a long-term holder. So that just kind of pennywise pound foolish for two years from now Sorry, I don't know much about your business. So yeah, I know our intention is to to build it and own it. So But we're agreeable to that and can just agree to that being a solution Then we're comfortable about going in as a condition comments concerns from the board I'd make a motion to approve as presented with staff review on the The exposed foundation we have a motion and a second from dick Any additional discussion Jerry anything from your end nothing Right. So we have a motion all those in favor signify by saying I I opposed Motion is approved. Thank you. Pam. Is that you on the line too? Great. Thank you Right. So that was approved steve. I believe the motion was for submittal for staff approval. So I think that was approved. Thank you very much. I appreciate your time. Take care of yourselves during these crazy times. Thank you And we'll take a brief break while we shuffle presentation parties in the council chambers All right, if everyone is ready we'll move to item 3.2 the proposed addition to rewind bar located 1002 michigan avenue Uh, we are trying to do this so folks can hear on the phone So please use the microphone if you can give us an introduction and brief description on what you're proposing Absolutely. So my name is tyler chapeau with the chapeau construction the general contractor for this proposed project Um, what we're posing is approximate 455 square foot addition to the existing buildings west side That would take over their existing patio area for seating of their exterior bar Um, this would enclose the staff member that would be sitting directly in this new egress path Um, that would be counting patrons exiting and entering Um, it would also shield off that back patio from the street side of michigan avenue Uh, it was noted somewhere in the package that The current building is over the uh property line And that the addition would be set back a foot. Is that correct? That's correct on the survey that's in the packet now that um was updated And so the existing building Rest one foot into the michigan avenue right away And the new building is proposed to be at the property line So it will step back one foot compared to what's there existing And I think the current plans and elevations don't really show that offset The current ones do not. Um, we had our survey done and that showed us a little late after the original plans were were made So we'd have to update that prior to pulling a building permit And is the thought just to wrap that cornice element back at that one foot jog? Correct. Okay One of my comments had been that the the cornice element as it gets extended for the additional length um Seemed to be getting very long and kind of sandwichy Uh with multiple stripes But I think that one foot offset if the the steps to the cornice Wrap around that foot that'll actually break it up nicely. Yeah, that'll wrap around there It'll be on the self elevation of the addition and with on the west as well. Yeah On that property line good Other questions or comments from the board? And I just had a question on the elevate south elevation It looks like that wrapping of the cornice doesn't happen on the far west end. Yeah, that is the old Drawings that were not updated since we had the um, okay. Yeah Question you can go to dick The uh south elevation shows A red columns at the corner and at two at One window and the next space over shows brick. Is it possible that that same red column could be where that brick column is Yes, that is a possibility We just did this as the red columns the material would be a pvc trim material, which is what we're looking to make that um The bottom two and a half foot wanes coating underneath those windows. So we're looking to match that Um, we could really cover the brick with that as well Good dick the The brick column is existing and then that first column to the west the red one is also existing Okay And it looks as if there's some nice detailing on that brick pier Just looking at that on google maps right now I don't know if we can zoom in on that previous image at all steve the um The picture or the that one if we can zoom in just a bit there Or maybe a lot In our opinion it matched up with the the brick above it quite nicely and you know from the addition that would be Mainly and mostly a pvc and wood type building instead of a brick with the original building So I don't know if you can see on the screen dick that first pier there is some uh Like corbelling an accent piece at the top below the cornice line Um, it just looks like a foreign element in that elevation Oh, this might be One area I want the board to be aware of if I may is that the owner of rewind now is without any revenue streams So the additions to this project may in fact force him to not move forward with this um Anything that we're adding He's asking for forgiveness on the green siding on the east side of the building You know given the revenue streams that and if we were able to Adjust replacing the bottom two and a half foot wainscoting on the existing buildings south elevation and east elevation That would be much appreciated. Um, but I'm sure that would have to go through board review That's what I was looking at too. Thanks chan So dick, I don't know if that changes your thought on turning that pier red or not It does assist, but I'm still convinced that it would look better overall if that were the red instead of the brick And are you thinking to cover it with? A ramp or just paint it What is the red material It's a pvc. It's almost like a plastic lumber material. Um, that's pretty easy to fasten paint Keep up with maintenance. Um, very durable. So that's where we're looking to install and follow that same wainscoting that two and a half foot Trim along the bottom under side or underneath the windows We'd have that material that way can really hold up to to snow salt shoveling things of that nature in the future And if you uh, you would have to take the corval off in order to make it look like a piece of red vertical board Correct and you can do that. Okay We would there would be some socket involved. I would have to take a look at a closer look at it to see how that would be What's that? Is a brick pillar structure. That would also have to be determined, but at this time I it's not could you remove it and just not have one in that area? It's possible. Yes my safety cost Then removing it and installing. Yes, we get rid of the look that he doesn't like which I agree I mean or possibly is it possible to paint it if if it comes down to absolutely requiring that But then again, I just want to note again Revenue streams that he does not have. Yeah Other than that, I think I like the design Jerry and Pam Any comments from the phone lines? I'm here Any thoughts or questions on this submittal connection? I can hear Most but not everything that you're saying so I'm just trying to hang on to what I can't hear Okay, thank you Marcus Chad Thank you This is more of a technical question since they have to resubmit plans. Are we charging them the hundred dollar resubmittal fee? the only time The only time they get charged a resubmittal fee is if the application like the last one hasn't been here in some time So so anything that gets resubmitted is just a request from the board to have them come back So no, they're not charged a fee at that time good. Thank you Is anyone ready to make a motion? The original so the west side of the addition you're referring to yes the original Idea with that west side as it would be right on the property line making that a fire rated wall So we were just going to prevent that from being glass at all When we had the survey done we found out we had additional approximate foot beyond the fence line Correct me if i'm wrong it's on it's noted on there somewhere what we actually had So what we wanted to do is just leave that foot Just for possible green space or landscaping if needed So and that would force that wall not to be a firewall So and we just kind of left it as we originally had it in the plans was to not include a window in that for that reason And I believe dick has a question Uh, no question. I'm moving that the That the project be approved as submitted with the correction Of the one brick column be made into a column that looks like the others second We have a motion and a second any further discussion And our Jerry and pam are you clear on that motion? Second I didn't hear all of the original motion The original motion was to approve as submitted But to do something to the brick pier on the south elevation To make it look more like the other red piers Okay, thank you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you Steve um and then Resubmitted with did did you want something with the cornice on the offset? to That's a good point. We should have that resubmitted to staff with the corrected plans and elevations showing that one foot offsets But I think as it's described everyone understands what should be submitted or how it's going to be constructed So that being the case all those in favor signify by saying I I opposed All right, great. I think we are approved with that one. Thank you very much and we will Get to our next group. Yeah, that's nice. Tyler I think I think the one nice thing there. I don't know if it was mentioned or not, but that east Elevation is being changed To a siding that's more brownish in nature. So that'll look nice along 10th street, too Thanks, Tyler. All right, we are moving to item 3.3 Well, we make sure we're complying with all the cdc requirements So we are moving to the uh Resubmiddle of the new transpo mini storage buildings at 12 10 south 10th street And if uh for the presenters if you can use the microphones or the folks who are on the phone Can hear as well and I believe we've got uh ron becker calling in on the phone also so with that if you reintroduce yourselves and Give us your updates, please very good. Steve pesky distinctive design studio. I'm here joined with uh john becker from transpo mini storage and ron on the phone Uh from our previous um discussion and submittal, uh, we've made some changes in regards to Uh, some of the comments that were made by the board and uh specifically dick lindy at that time And also with working with the city of reduction of size of the building Increasing some of the setbacks some of the proportions Reduced slightly overall Mainly starting out with the kentucky kentucky avenue elevation of the center element being raised and adding another brick Column element along this facade Other major items uh that were adjusted from previous conversation were along the alleyway of introducing new or introducing a different color panel along that facade to break up the long elevation So adding five elements along that elevation So questions or feedback charlie. We had quite a go around with this lifetime They've done quite a bit to improve the the aesthetic of this it was More scaled back than this last time around They have added quite a few elements We had also asked on that kentucky avenue elevation To do something to Increase the massing at the middle of the building and do something just to give it a little more Break to the the horizontal line of the roof line. It was very long and continuous there Appears they've done that this question on the alley elevation The spacing of those brick pier or the the alternate material piers Aren't consistent. Is there a reason for that? Uh, we've resolved that I think that was an error in this set of plans that came through So it's four equal siding panels with the brick between It's actually siding darker siding darker siding in between. Yes, but equal spacing across the four late colors siding elements So dick I would bring that one back to your attention that that puts the darker sided element right in the middle again alley side correct I have an updated one if you'd like to see Sure For those on the phone. We're now being shown a paper exhibit that i'm afraid we can't share with you So you have changed the spacing there's an additional dark element So it is following the classical order Dick to to not put a column in the middle I don't see any difference Here this is what was there before Okay, this guy was going to be centered. So now it's like this. Yep. Okay. Thank you Mr. Chairman, I would like to move for approval of the project that's submitted We have a motion and a second any further discussion Or from on the phones Hearing none all those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye opposed Guys aren't quick enough That was two eyes from the phone. I take it Great. Thank you Thank you and uh Did we do opposed? Sorry i'm thrown off anyone opposed it was unanimous eyes. So it is approved Thank you very much. Thank you We'll see you guys later Thanks guys Steve can you give us an update on anticipation for the april 13th meeting and whether under the new state Guidelines if we are non-essential therefore should not be meeting I'm not sure at this point in time what the decision is going to be As soon as I find out I'll let everyone know in advance. So everyone has a feeling I think there could be some things that were possibly going to be submitted You know, so if we are regularly going to meet I would say the answer is yes But as I find out in the next couple of days, I'll let you guys know Great and just feedback from the board in terms of willingness to meet In the current situations given what the city is doing today to try to to limit exposure keep the group to under 10 in this this space Are people still comfortable either calling in or being here in person? Seeing nodding heads for the most part So if the the mayor and the the governor don't shut us down Uh, then it sounds like this is still an option from our end Great. Thank you Any other comments or business? If not, I would entertain a motion to adjourn I'm not sure if you're still speaking so I apologize for some interrupting, but yeah from this end And I know it's a technology issue that we'll have to work out if we do the conference call again Hopefully we'll find a way that We'll be a little more conducive for the folks on our end because Pam and I would Definitely agree. It's just hard to hear The speakers and I think once we're in a room where everyone is maybe dialing into the same line and on a phone It might be easier, but today is very difficult Thanks for that feedback And I'm being told that uh, they will be trying to take care of that Thank you guys for calling in So motion to adjourn We have a motion I hear a second Second all in favor. Hi. All right. We are adjourned. Thanks everyone. Hopefully see you on the 13th So These Thanks, Bob. Stay well I mean you you just bought rewind bar in order to put up a huge area and we're spending all that money And then just across the road in the end I just think it's weird