 A vehicle tried to block us in, four guys jumped out with AKs and shotguns and then that vehicle chased us out of town. So it's all about smarts, brains ever born, going in with weapons. If we were to go in with a weapon, that can cause so many more complications than what it would be. Not. So then I stood in front of the Lebanese mafia in my underwear, but the question kept coming around, who else is going to do it if I don't do it? Jay, how are you brother? Yeah, I live in a dream, thanks for having me on there. Oh, you're very welcome, you're looking really well. Ah, cheers man, same to you. Yes, so we need to thank Chris, isn't it, your cousin Chris for putting us in touch? Yeah, that's right. And he said you need to meet my cousin Chris, he's an amazing man, former soldier. Can I call it turns child rescuer, is that? Yeah, I mean the terms would probably be around child recovery specialist, something along there, I don't think there's anything to it in stone with it. That sounds a bit more professional, doesn't it? Yeah. So how did it all begin, what's your military background? Yeah, so nine years old, no one to join the army, 16 years old to join the army, went into the light infantry in Second Battalion, six years in the army, served in Northern Ireland, Kosovo, Iraq, and Sierra Leone, operationally. And then outside of that I was in Falklands, Jordan, Gibraltar, Cyprus. So I got around in the short period of time that I was in, but I don't think my career actually started until I got out of the army and started contracting. Contracting was a completely different ball game. Did you see, so can you just tell us a bit about you being in some hot spots then? Did you see much action? In the army, not so much. Most of it was policing, more than anything. Obviously, standard operational tours, you go and then you're doing patrols, making sure that everything's okay in the air is. Sometimes you go into search buildings and stuff like that. There's a little bit out in Iraq, a few pop shots here, there and some operations, but that was about it. So I didn't really get to do what I wanted to do when I was in the army. But when I got out, I ended up in a situation where I was on streets for about six months after I got out. And then I ended up randomly just falling into contracting. And I got on a plane and I went to Baghdad because I was invited over by a company. And just on that first day, I knew for a fact I was about to start doing the job that I wanted to do out there. It was just crazy. Is that sort of protection work, do you call it? Yeah, close protection work primarily. We had some big contracts out there with Gulf Regional Division, the Corps of Engineers for the US Army looking after their high rankers, looking after civilians, civilian entities that are actually doing small projects out there and basically just taking them from A to B and then and then back. But it was during the really rough times, especially down in Baghdad when the virus was classed as the most dangerous road in the world. I put some stories up on TikTok about it where I tell few stories about it, what happened, because I learned how to drive on that road and I learned how to change the time on that road under fire. So it was definitely a very interesting way to go through the basics of life of learning to drive. It served its purpose because I ended up contracting for about 17 years between Iraq, Afghanistan, West Africa, they did a bit of maritime on the merchant ships and then on the Prince of Abu Dhabi's yacht. Now, all of those experiences put together and the way that it all works out. When I started to fall into the child recovery, and it's again, it's another thing that I fell into, that started to become a forefront of everything. Those experiences took it to a completely new level of what existed in the industry at the time. Jay, can I just say chuck the pan away, mate? Because I'm... One of my worst, worst habits when I'm like giving a lecture or anything. I'm the same, I sometimes pick up a toothpick and then I think, oh my God, I'm live to the world holding a toothpick. Why? Yeah, the audio in this podcast is more important, obviously, than the video, because we can always put pictures up or whatever, but when it's doing that in someone's earphones, they're like, no, I paid £1,000 for my phone and my earphones, so I don't want to hear it to this. Yes, so one of my best mates, he bought it in Mosul back in the day, one of the early stages of the security, the private security over there, he got execute well. They had a contact, they were leading their clients, I think it's like a gas refinery or something, and it was him and another boot-neck in the, let's say the lead Land Rover, and I think there were two in the rear, and the client's vehicle was in the middle, and they got ambushed by, gosh, I've heard different stories of something like 15 to 30 pickup trucks, and the two Marines, they just pulled off and started laying down, covering fire for their client, and they both got slotted, so it's a weird thing to turn the TV on, and there's your mate's dead body line in the middle of Mosul, with a big crowd around it, and apparently what happened next, I won't say on camera, but I'm sure people can imagine, there was a lot of bitterness over there, wasn't there? Yeah, it was terrible. I mean, I went in when the Blackwater guys got taken down in Fallujah, and I started the Fallujah war and everything, so it was rough, I mean, those days were definitely rough. And did you get any hairy situations yourself? I mean, a multiple, again, I've told a few stories out on TikTok, but I mean, there's been times where we've been nearly taken out of our vehicles by the Iraqi police. We had multiple ID contacts, multiple small arms fire contacts. Like I said, I learned how to change a tire on the fire, which was one of the most surreal experiences that anyone could ever have, because I was 22, just about 23 at the time, and I had some big, burly South African bloke who's in his mid-30s to mid-40s handing me a wheel brace and telling me to get down behind the chains of time and I hadn't got a clue how to do it. And I'm there going, I was infantry, I can shoot, let me just stand here and I'll give cover and fire, but he had no interest in that. And the way that he taught me, it was like being in a classroom. That's how calm he was. And then obviously there's me wondering what's going on around me as I'm trying to break craftful wheel nuts on this wheel to get his wheel off. It was surreal. So you didn't get approached by an F1 team then to be on the crew? Definitely not, but seriously, we could definitely pass for it. That's the fastest way to learn, I'm telling you. Yes, it's a different world, isn't it? Because we sort of have these conversations and I've had civvies mates say to me before, Chris, that story you told about being in the Marines. That you're bullshitting, right? And I get it, I completely get it. But what I don't say to him is like, if you think that story's hot, I've got another like 30 stories of a combination of drunkenness, stupidity, guns going bang, bombs going bang, mortars going bang, fire bombs, you know, petrol bombs, frying in as well as some tragic things. Lots of Marines just seem to die in car accidents and motorbike accidents. And we had that as well. And we had two lads killed surfing on a train in Thailand. And it went went through a tunnel, a mate I was on rear party with but for two commando right when I first joined my unit was running away from the police on leave. I guess it was drunken, been a fight or something. And he jumped off a rooftop and landed on a like a fencing pole or something. And yes, it's sort of a different world, isn't it? And I think when I podcast a lot of military people we tend to be quite humble about experiences because in the military, that they're all kind of on a par with everyone else's. But to our civilian brothers and sisters, they're probably I'm sure for a good man, it's a bloody eye opener. Oh, definitely. I mean, the amount of times that I've spoken to people that are just based in the civilian world never been in the military. And especially when I was living out in Cyprus, close friends of mine, they just couldn't believe it. They always said it sounded like a movie. And that's why I started going down that route. And we'll talk about that later. Yes. Yeah. So, yes, child rescue, it sounds incredibly admirable. Well, it is incredibly admirable. I've got quite a lot to ask you about it because there's a. There's a big wave sort of on the internet at the moment, all about child freedom and this kind of stuff. The trouble is it's hard to know where the reality stops and the kind of fantasy kicks in. But back to your story, Jay, how did it start? I mean, obviously, there's a lot of conspiracies out there. Just touching on what you just said. There's a lot of conspiracies out there about what is happening and on the different levels that it's happening. Obviously, we used to deal with facts anyway. So it's usually starting from the small scale and then it goes up into a bigger scale. And it's probably as tight as it goes, does go into organized crime. But outside of that, it started when I was out in Afghanistan. I was it was the end of 2012. I knew a guy and I still can't remember how I met him. I'm pretty sure it was really all of them as a messenger. We used to chat quite a lot. He knew that I had quite a vast network from contracting for so long anyway. And every time that he was on the case, he'd always get in touch with me and ask me if I had a point of contact in the country that he was working in. Usually I did. So then I'll get somebody in touch with him and then he'd be able to use that to actually help him to solve that case. So yeah, he'd take a point of contact. Did get the case done. I'd never hear anything about him until he actually came around the next time that he was on the case and that's where another point of contact. It just so happened at the end of 2012, I've got a hearing injury. I lost my hearing. My eardrum basically retracted back inside. And it was a hearing injury that I had for about six months. So the company that I was working for sent me home on sick leave, which I didn't have a problem with, paid leave at home. That's fantastic. Which was a rare occasion back then. So he was working on a case in Lebanon and asked me to go out to Lebanon to give him fresh eyes on. Naturally I said, yes, because I'm sitting around at home literally doing nothing but go into the bars and then it's Cyprus lifestyle, you know? So I went over, I spent about seven days over there and within the first 48 hour period, we was in a Hezbollah controlled town and we got chased out of town. A vehicle tried to block us in. Four guys jumped out with AKs and shotguns and then that vehicle chased us out of town within the first 48 hours. So I knew straight away that this was probably something that I could probably get into due to the fact of my background and contracting already. That continued for about another five days after that period. I gave him my opinion and then I just, I went home expecting him to work out a plan based on my opinion. That was it. I thought it wasn't gonna go any further than that but within about another two weeks he quit the case and then his boss came up to me and asked me if I wanted to take on the case. So I sat down with the Mrs. and we discussed it in lengthy detail. And the only conclusion that would always come up was who else is actually gonna do this if I don't do it. I didn't know nothing about the child recovery industry or anything. I was always, I was still sitting there focused on going back to Afghanistan once I'd actually got my hearing back and I qualified for the medical process. But the question kept coming around who else is gonna do it if I don't do it. So I did it. And then I started working for that company and went over there. Can you give us some idea of the particular case? What, how does it, what's your kind of brief? So basically it was Lebanese Australian father kidnapped his child under the guise of going on holiday to Lebanon to see his family. When they got there, they said, they're not coming back. The connections that were there between him and Hezbollah were from the town that he grew up in. Everybody that he knew were connected to Hezbollah and the Mueller of the town gave the protection over him and what he was doing, holding that child in to make sure that nobody could go in and get them out. The mother, she then went over, tried to go through the courts, failed in the courts, called in a private entity, which is a private company and they went in to assist. And even before I got there, the guy that I'd given had already fast forwarded six months' worth of court cases into two weeks. So it started to succeed in the courts, but at the same time as that, when she went over there, she ended up being held against her will in this town and then obviously under Sharia law unable to be able to move anywhere without a male presence with her. And can you explain Hezbollah for our friends at home who might not be familiar with who they are? Yeah, for sure. So Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that's based out of the Lebanon. They also, it's a very complicated situation that's in Lebanon. I talk about that quite a bit in my book, but basically they're also a part of the government. Pretty much what's happening in Afghanistan at the moment with the Taliban having elements inside the government as well. But they cause a lot of problems because there's a massive divide between the Muslims and the Christians that are over there and they also support Palestine. Yes. So they're kind of not people that you really want to get caught messing with? Definitely not. They would definitely be on par with ISIS or Al Qaeda. And so they gave this father a kind of bit of a shield around him, did they? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, going into that town, I tried every angle to try to get into that town before we got into the position where this vehicle was trying to block us into this road. Quite a funny story on how that happened, but that goes into the levels of professionalism that was in the industry. Every angle going into that town was covered by armed personnel. It didn't matter which direction that you came in. Wow. Yeah. I'm guessing you weren't armed? No, definitely not. I mean, I don't think they'd ever used weapons in the child recovery industry at that point until that point, anyway. I've heard many stories prior to me going into it, and I'm talking like two weeks prior to me going in it. I've got to go into dangerous situations and not using weapons, but that's when the entire operation, it all comes about using your smarts, blending in. You have to blend into the background. You have to be able to go in and use that train and what we've experienced throughout the entire history of being in the military and the contracting industry and working in small teams. To know how to read people and then give them what they need so you can get what you want back. So it's all about smarts, brains have a brawn, going in with weapons. If we were to go in with a weapon, that can cause so many more complications than what it would be not. So it was definitely harrowing. I did end up having a kind of CS cast, which was quite humorous in the aspect of all of the operations that I've done before in the private security industry in the military, and then there's me standing in a hostile situation with a kind of CS cast. So that was quite funny. Were you wearing the local dress? No, I didn't need to in the majority of that operation. I probably looking back at it, you got to understand that this was my first operation in child recovery. So I didn't really know how it all would go down. I didn't know what I was doing. I was working it out as I was going through it. But that's where my experience came into it because it was no different to planning in military operation. Going back and looking back at it, I probably would have, especially when I was down in places like Tripoli and then in these highly populated Muslim areas, outside of the Christian areas, because that's obviously very Western over there. I probably would have. And so did you get your chance to extract the child? It was difficult and it was definitely difficult in planning. We had to find a way to get them out of that town without us going into that town and getting them out. We managed to use the courts. It was very difficult process, but they ended up in a town closer towards the Christian areas, which was catered more towards Western style and they ended up in a hotel. It's a very long story that goes through. I was being chased. I ran, I ran cars off the roads. I got strip searched and I stood in front of the Lebanese mafia in my underwear telling them that I need them to deliver a package for me. I ended up in Cyprus speaking to the Cypriot mafia and that was just week after week of trying to build up that trust with their relationship. And then they ended up assisting me. We ended up purchasing a boat, which we had to rig up completely. And if you can imagine a scene out of MacGyver or the A team, that's literally what you're looking at because we had such a tight budget to be able to do it. And we had to put everything on there. And then we had to send this boat across waters for 119 nautical miles. One thing we didn't take into consideration was a steel frame on a fiberglass base. That caused a lot of problems going over the open ocean. And then obviously the actual day of the operation, a lot of things went wrong on that day which delayed us by about 24 hours. So I was literally locked down on the run for 24 hours with Hezbollah and local police looking for me. So it was quite harrowing and that was definitely probably the longest night of my life. Had you got the child by this point or? Yeah, we was delayed on the actual pickup of the child by about six hours. We managed to pick up the mother and the child without anybody knowing. Nobody knew for about 10 to 15 minutes. So that was our escape window. But because of the delay, we had lost our boat for that day because there's a lot of complications with it. I mean, we can go through the details, but all of the details in the book, I'll give you the basic details because obviously I want everybody to buy the book. Angel in the shadows. Angel in the shadows, it's called, that's right. So the delay was in the actual area of operation on the actual H hour was delayed by about five hours. Our boat, when I sent the boat over to Lebanon, what I wanted them to do, there was no connection between me and the guy and I actually got an ex-boot meth, an ex-Maringa as a coxman to take the boat over there. We didn't have any communications apart from one meeting where I gave him GPS coordinates. Proper old school methods of leaving a piece of paper there, impicking that piece of paper up. There was no connection between us whatsoever, apart from drop films. So his entire operation was to actually check out the sea. We needed to know what boats were out there, where the coast guards were, if there was any patrols. We needed to get the radar operator to the point where he was looking at the radar and then he was just looking going, oh my God, it's him again and getting so tired of actually telling him what to do that he just gave up on looking at him. So we kept moving down that road. He did that, checked out the extraction points, everything. Now, when he was breaking the rules, he got himself put under a curfew. So at night, three o'clock in the afternoon, he was done, he had to go back and he was put under curfew until next morning, seven o'clock in the morning. That caused our second problem after the delay when we did the pickup of the child. So then we had to figure out on the cuff, literally on the spot thinking, we need a safe house here and now. And that's when I had to take my fixer's safe house and I kicked his family out of his house, basically. Very politely, of course. And we locked ourselves down inside his house with no exit strategy whatsoever, apart from my kind of CS gas. That was literally it. Yes, they say you can't really keep that for yourself, can you? You don't really want to gas yourself with CS gas. No, it was crazy. It was gonna make you cry your eyes out. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And was it a problem with the child's passport? Or did they have that? No, so the father had the passport, but we extracted out of the country through non-official methods. So we basically had a point on the coast where we actually jumped onto the boat and then we headed out to sea. Using the Cypriot Mafia, they met us halfway across the Mediterranean on the Cypriot side of international waters. And then basically they pulled the boat in, the coxswain then took the boat as we got into international waters. He took the boat back into the marina, says that he hit rough seas. And then we came into Larnaca Marina and we stayed below deck. Within five minutes, we walked off straight into my car and then we drove off. So it went very smoothly from that point, which was very, it's still very nervous because you're just waiting for someone to step on that boat like. So the Cypriot Mafia, they've got a child-minding section, have they? It certainly seems that way. They've definitely, they've definitely, the thing is with the Cypriots themselves, no matter who you are, your culture will always stand out. And obviously they've got a very family-orientated culture. Once they got to learn who I was and that they could trust me in the elements of what I was doing, then they was all over it, I'm telling you. Massively helpful. And they didn't take money for it. They only took the money for the fuel for the boat and their expenses. They never made it any profit out of it whatsoever. So it was really good of them, which is strange to say because this is where the child recovery industry is at, but it takes you down so many different roads and you deal with so many different elements and so many different types of people. But the people that are supposed to be the bad people, you end up in a situation where they're actually helping you to do something very good. It's strange, it's a strange world. Hey, it's nice to know the Mafia still got a good heart, isn't it? Oh, absolutely, yeah, definitely. I mean, the Lebanese Mafia, that was a completely different story that was. I mean, I had two guys standing either side of me and I'm standing in front of this, literally, it's like what you would probably see on a movie and imagine what you would see on a movie and that's what I'm standing in front of. And it was like, obviously, trying to push out his power and all that. And there's me break and pointing on Egypt to do this for me. How much are you going to cost? And the prices were horrendous. I tell you, there was nowhere near what we could afford. Yes, I'm getting flashbacks now to getting mugged or kidnapped in Istanbul, which was, yeah, that was interesting. So were there any repercussions of this, Jay? Did once you, I mean, where was the child's family based? Was it UK? Yes, no, so the family there, it's a Norwegian family, but mother and the father, they met in Australia. They lived in Australia together. From after that extraction, the mother went straight back to Norway. So leaving Cyprus, she went over to Norway and that's where she's originally from. So she stayed with her family in Norway because it's classed no matter how harrowing and how hard the actual operation is and the fact that we're going up against terrorist organisations doing that, it's still classed as just a normal parental abduction. Now, one mistake that a lot of people make is that parental abductions are classed as safe abductions. Even the authorities in the UK, they class them as safe abductions. But a parental abduction can never know the mental state or the psychological state of the person that's actually kidnapping. And they have gone to the extremes where a parent will actually cause harm to the child or even kill the child and themselves just to get a mental play, like a power play over the parent that they've left behind. So you've got those problems there straight away because they cast it as a parental abduction. They went through the courts and then going through the courts, they made sure in Norway that the child was actually safe in Norway and that the father couldn't come back to Norway with any repercussions. Repercussions for me, there was some high possibilities. There were mistakes that I made in my identity being inside the actual operation because obviously there was we stayed in the operation inside a hotel and I had to get into that hotel, which means I had to give them copies of my passport. Luckily for me, the passport wasn't very clear in any way whatsoever. But when I came back from Lebanon, I was in Cyprus and I'd be driving down the road. Paranoia kicked in to the highest levels I've never had in my entire life. I would be driving down the road and I think I'd be being followed. So I'd start counting surveillance and anti-surveillance. I would be walking back from a bar at night time and I'd be looking at places I'd do surveillance on my own house. So I'd see people that looked like Lebanese citizens in my local bar that I didn't recognise. And then I'd be confronting them to find out who they were. So there was a lot of a lot of things that went on with me after that case, especially on the mental health side. But which would there's no repercussions as of yet. And it's been a long time, so I don't think there will be. And how did this lead on to forming Pegasus or Pegasus Ops? Yeah, so working in the child recovery industry. So I started working for this company in itself. It's a company that was based out of Norway. At first I thought, yeah, fantastic. I was going case after case after case and I was having successes. Whilst I was in Lebanon, I saw how low the standards were of the operators that they was actually using. And there wasn't many of them because these are individuals that own companies that sell themselves as larger entities, but they'd not. They usually got one or two operators tops. So I was getting success after success. But then I got to a case where it was a parental abduction again and be under no illusion that parental abductions and not just the things that I deal with, parental abductions is just an element of what we deal with when it comes to missing children. This case in itself, the child who greaves the age where she could decide where she wanted to live, which meant that all court documents involved in that case, they were now non-envoyed. You couldn't have a return order from the Hague Convention and the Hague Convention on International Child Abduction. That's the prime element for returning a child back home within a Hague within a country that's actually signed up to the Hague Convention. So the child could decide where she wanted to live. I went back and I said, bang, this can't be done for these reasons. And I then witnessed the owner of the company have a meeting with the father of the child, which was a client and took 30 grand off him and didn't tell that father that his case couldn't be completed for another few months. So that was my first introduction to how these companies started to line their own pockets. And then I started to realise that this was not about rescuing children the way that the companies were run. And that's why the operators and the standards of the industry are so low. It wasn't about the actual heartfelt pulling the child out of a dangerous situation and bringing them home. It was about finances. So I left that company after witnessing that and I started freelance when I started freelance, obviously, ideas are running through my head. I have to try to figure out how I can move forward with this because this is definitely something that I'm passionate about. I take on a case I consider with my own children and that's what drives me to continue to keep going. I mean, I get myself to the point where I'm getting ill on a case because I'm pushing myself so many hours and I'm not looking after myself because I'm focusing on the case more than anything. So 2015, I came up with the concept of got to find a way to lower these costs, if not make it a free service. That's that was the concept of what I wanted to create. So I started freelancing and when I started freelancing, I started speaking to other companies that are actually out there and there's not many of them at all. As I'm speaking to these companies and as cases start to come in from these companies, what I started to realise is that all of these companies are doing exactly the same thing as the first company that I was working for, except they're even worse because they're selling themselves as special forces. They're selling themselves as big time operators that have operated all over the world. As time went on and I learnt their history, I got a hold of documents as my qualifications and experiences grew. And I realised that they're not, these people are nothing like they say they are. They get to the point where if your children were kidnapped, you'd go to them. They tell you everything that you wanted to hear. They then charge you anywhere between 50 to 150 grand. Then they would buy their time and the majority of the time they don't even go on the cases. So as they're buying their time, they're obviously that money then being utilised for their own lives. You get to the end of that period and then all of a sudden they're asking for more money or they're telling you that the case can't be completed because they have no more money on a rare occasion. They complete your case and successfully If they successfully complete your case, it's usually over Christ. And then the other occasions when they've tried cases, and you can Google all of this, they end up being arrested in multiple different countries all over the world. But there's no refund policy. So now these families have been left in financial ruins and they haven't got their children back because they've just been ripped off. So they end up in the worst situation that they could possibly be in because somebody's actually taken advantage of their situation that they're in. I've currently got a client and he's in a situation where he's been ripped off by two companies already and I'm the third person that he's coming to. So it becomes very difficult to operate in that sort of situation. It just must be awful. It's horrible. To lose your child is the worst possible scenario. I think you can face in your frigging life, man. Then to reach out for help and have all your life savings stolen. And it's not the money, is it? It's the fact that it's cutting you off from your... It cuts you off from everything. It cuts you off from all of your other lifelines as well. Because you've got to remember when it comes to parental abductions, they rely on that money for the courts. Now, I believe that everybody should go to the courts and get the right documents. But my experience tells me that the courts take a very long time to take all of the money that could possibly be utilised and the results are rarely in favour of the person that's actually going to court to try to get their child back. Which is why child recovery companies like that exist and which is why they are able to take advantage of that. They'll take as much, if not more, than what the courts would anyway. And it just destroys lives, that's all it does. And then you've got people then searching for the most easiest method, the most viable method to be able to get their children back, but they don't have the money for it anymore. Yes. And what an admirable thing to try and offer this service for free. Yeah, so when it comes to the free entities, my entire goal with the company is to technically turn it into what I would class as the people's company. The current population of the planet is about 7.8 billion. The UK in itself is only 69 million. If I can get 1 million people to donate £2, then that would put us into a situation where we could take on four to six cases every single month. That's four to six children every single month bringing being brought home for the next two to three years. And that's just at that £2 per person. There's no financial pressure on the families. They also they're in the understanding that they've actually got professionals going out there that are purposely looking for their child and physically on the ground chasing up leads rather than the authorities. And nothing bad about the authorities in my eyes, because there's a lot of police, for example, that want to do more due to the jurisdictions that are under the bureaucracy and the red tape. They can't go past waiting for a phone call that leads outside of their area of operations. This is why it's important that we're able to do this. So million people donate £2. We will change numbers 100% without a doubt and be able to provide those cases for free. That's the entire end goal of what we want. That gives us two to three years to raise the same amount of money and that can continue for life. This is a company as a veteran company. We can pass down through generation to generation of veterans that will be able to continuously do this. We get to the point where the police will actually come to us for our advice, take when they have a child that goes missing, come to us to actually go and find that child just like they do with a search and rescue and things like this. That's where I want to get to with the company. And it's all about the money. No financial pressure on the family is secure in knowing what's happening. They also get briefed just like we are in the military, just like we are in the contracting industry. They have a different level of standards, reports. They will always know what's going on and they will be involved in a case. Then you've got the actual side of the donators. So anyone that actually donates £2, they understand that it's only £2. I mean, I go to Starbucks on a regular basis and I'll spend £8 in Starbucks just for two coffees. And £2 in this day and age, it's nothing. Have you got a Patreon? No, we haven't got a Patreon as of yet. We're only using the just giving up. But the biggest problem that we're finding with it is that they take a percentage of donations and we're nowhere near raising the amount of donations that we need. When it comes to costs of cases, an international case can be anywhere between 15 to 25 to 30 grand per month. And that's what we need to weigh up the options of. Obviously, we do everything that we can to cut those costs as low as possible. Having a kitty, which is designed for cases, that means that we can utilise every single penny that we need at a low cost, which means that 30 grand could actually take on two to three cases. And then we've got our local cases that we take on, which is like county lines, kids that have gone missing on county lines. Then we've got online grooming where kids are convinced to run away from home to be with their groomers and we've all experienced all of this over the last few months. Those cases, they're only between two and a half to four grand. So we're able to utilise every single penny that we have to. Now, if we've got guys permanently on staff that all cuts down massive costs immediately. If we've got guys all over the world that are ready to and waiting for us to put them onto an operation that costs down massively straight away and we're able to utilise everything and we're able to lower those costs immensely as we grow bigger. So it'd be really big. Yes. Just going back to the Patreon platform, I'd really take that seriously. Reason being it was suggested to me ages ago because contrary to what people believe, and I'm sure you found this yourself as an author, you kind of don't make any money. Not unless you're a Tom Clancy or J.K. Rowling or something. And even they, I don't think probably make by the time everyone's taken a cut, make as much as people think. So a friend of mine, so Chris, you set a page and I said, what is it? He said, it's a platform. It's let's let's just say it's a bit like Facebook, but for profession professionals. And if people like what you do, they will willingly sponsor you some money every month. So I thought, as we do really what people? You think, you know, give me. But here's the thing. I write books. They're all loosely based around mental health and, you know, supporting people in that area. And someone will read one of my books and they will get so much out of it that they they want to give me some money. And so and then, of course, when I start the YouTube channel, it kind of not it got things a lot more in motion. But again, contrary to what people believe, I make no money on YouTube whatsoever. What little bit we do make all goes to my manager because he thoroughly deserves every single penny of it, I should ask. But what we do get is we we've got a Patreon team and also I should include channel members. Thank you, channel members. But putting that to one side, the Patreon is just a group of really lovely people that like what I do and they want to support me. And we offer a one ninety nine a month platform. I think it's a four ninety nine a month and a nine ninety nine a month. And each of those levels you get, we give you a. We give you our company, I think let's call it rewards. And so the one ninety nine a month, you're kept up to date with what we're doing. You know, there's motivational posts going out, photos of me. I don't know. Fishing or whatever it might be or running a marathon or whatever. You can do group live chats via Zoom. Again, it's just quite a simple thing to set up and people can come and, you know, meet you personally. I know it's virtual, virtual, but it's still. I mean, if you said to me years back, I don't know, Chris, you could sit down in a chat with Stephen King. This is back when I was writing really, you know, getting into writing. I'd be a can I. And this is kind of how it works. We're setting up a. A talk for later this year. So all the people that really get something out of your work can come and shake hands, have a photo. I'll do a speech. We can go and grab a drink afterwards or whatever or do some do some things the next day. And it's it's kind of a must for what you do. And obviously, you're probably already thinking what you can offer people. But just to be just to have an insight into a case that went well, or what if the parents are willing, what the child's doing now. Meet it could be meet the team, you know, we're having a team Zoom next week. Come and find out this is so and so with special forces. You know, this person's a professional medic, whatever it might be. But it's all stuff that's. Relatively. Sort of time. Doesn't take a lot of time is what I'm yeah, I get it. I'm trying to say, but people will get a lot from. So that's that's definitely because I had one. Very generous person just come straight in with a thousand pounds. Wow. Had another one when they heard I needed microphones, the podcast. Seven hundred pounds. And you wouldn't believe this ordinary. But companies have that much. Some companies have it to write off, so it's nothing to them. It just put it down for tax or whatever. Other people just have a lot more money than I do. Yeah. And you can be an unhappy millionaire. And if you get someone like me, say, well, you don't have to be unhappy. You just got to tweak a couple of things in your life. Well, you can turn someone's life into paradise. Yeah, they've got if money's not an issue for them, then. So I'd seriously consider that. And of course, it's the way the world's going, isn't it? With social media is people want to be included. People if you've got enough job or you're not you're sitting down watching so popular, you you probably want to be more fulfilled than that. And when what you're doing, especially at the moment, because the. There's such a huge focus, whether it's accurate or not, but there is such a huge focus on on the child slavery issue. You know, trafficked children is the correct term. The people, rather than just putting stuff on Facebook and sharing a YouTube movie, they can actually physically get involved. So that that would be something. Obviously, for anybody listening, if you'd want to get in touch with Jay, there will be details below this YouTube video. Your website is Pegasus Ops.com. So Pegasus. What are you talking about? Hot dash hyphen hyphen dash or the small one ops dot com. Yeah, it's actually the first thing that comes up. I think when you type Pegasus into a search engine, which is good for you. So, yeah, get in touch with. Jay, folks, please, please do. Shall we talk? Just I just want to run some things by you because I'm a lifelong learner, Jay, and I like to listen to everything, research what I can. But I'm also obviously I'm 51 and I've seen a bit of the world. So I don't just buy into every conspiracy that's put. And also, I can't know when someone slipped slip in the public and Mickey, you know, whether it if something's put out in mainstream media, for example, it's just that to me. There's just that's someone else's agenda. Yeah, but we are hearing a lot about this child trafficking. There's a film that's just coming out. Oh, my God, is it is it out of the shadows or something? Is that Tim Ballard's new movie? Yes, yes, that's yeah, that's right. And I put a video out not long back, just explaining that. That this isn't going to stop the issue of of child abuse in any form because it's systemic. It's it's if you have a capitalist system that rewards people for how much money they get in their bank and you you're talking people people from unscrupulous backgrounds that don't care about children. Well, what are they going to do? They're going to traffic kids, aren't they? You you've met horrible people. I should say most 99.99% of people I met around the planet have just been absolutely wonderful human beings. But you do get like when you get mugged by the Turkish mafia, you're seeing some seriously psychopathic individuals who they don't care about you. They're certainly not going to care who they're trafficking in a truck in a transit van across the border or whatever. So I just wondered if you can give us your take on. I mean, Donald Trump was supposed to be the the the saviour that was going to rescue all the children and people have messaged me saying, Chris, is it true the Navy Seals are going in and rescuing thousands of children at a time from underground? They call them dumb, dumb underground bunkers. And I have to sort of break it to them that's not, you know, the military do what the government tell them to do. And the psychopaths tell the government what to do. So it's it's I'd say it's an unrealistic. It's a lot would be a wonderful scenario, if indeed the problem is on the scale as people perceive. But over to you, Jay, what do you know anything about this sort of area? Yeah, so I mean, when it comes to the scale itself, what does that happen? I don't think people understand the actual concept of how big the scale is. All around the world, every single year, millions of children disappear. And that's not just including children, it's including young girls. Early 20s, late teens and it happens everywhere. Just to throw a few statistics out there, America itself, on average, about 850,000 children and this is just children reported missing every single year. Out of that, there's about 30,000 which are taken from non-family entities. And as a 30, 30 per cent that is taken from non-family entities. And then there's about 40 per cent which are taken from family or known entities. OK, that's just America and that's nearly a million. OK, UK, on average, is about 136,000 children. And out of that, there's about a third that are not actually found ever. Then you've got obviously that's a third that's not found. Jay, can you just repeat that? That that's incredible. Yeah, 136,000 children reported missing every single year. Now, with that number, if you've got to understand that, that's reports of a child maybe not coming home from school on time or coming back from a friend's on time. So these numbers are actually included in it. But it's around a third of that that children are not found. And then you've got families just sitting there waiting, no one knows. They've gone to the police, no one else does anything. That's it. Police are just waiting for a phone call of any information from the general public. Then on top of that, you've then got another, I don't know, probably about another 20,000 which are parents of abductions and known family entities. And obviously the non-known entities of where they've disappeared. That goes into sex trafficking. That goes into your individuals that wish to do harm, pedophiles, things like this. OK, so you've got multiple reasons. Kidnap and ransom is a rarity over in the UK. You're probably going to get that South America or North Africa or the Middle East. But over here, it's not so much. So these are actually people that want to do harm. When it comes to the movie that's coming out with Tim Ballard or it's just came out. Tim Ballard, he's working with the 777 Underground Railroad system and all this sort of stuff. It's a fantastic concept of what he's doing and what his team is doing. It is a great job without a doubt. I've got no no no problems with what Tim Ballard does. There's a lot of companies I do have problems with, but not his. But it's such a small scale. If he was to rescue, have you ever seen the scientists talking about population growth using the jar and then fill in the jar with ping pong balls and then fill in the jar with marbles and then he goes into the points and fill in it with rice and it just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger. But you take one drop out and it makes no odds because it continues to grow. That's what's happening with sex trafficking. That's what's happening with all of these organised organisations that are around the world. And there are so many of them. The United Nations have started to recognise what's going on and they start they tried to set up a programme out in Kenya, which is to relocate to locate and then to recover. Children that have been kidnapped from Europe over to Africa and the same in reverse from Africa back to Europe. They tried to take on this contract and give this contract out within the first week of this contract being taken on by another company. That company is more than a million dollar contract, took that money and disappeared. Now they don't have a contract. But the point is it's been recognised by the United Nations. Local councils are currently starting to recognise that something needs to be done about missing children, but they're only thinking about it and putting tests out there to see who is capable of actually locating missing children, primarily the children that have gone from care homes to actually recover them back. This is a new concept that's starting to spread and people are starting to think about it more. The budget will never be in it. If the military, if the police, if the governments are not doing anything about rescuing our children, the entities that are, which will be the private entities like myself, like Tim Ballard and then obviously genuine companies that are out there. We are so small because we don't have the funding to be able to do it that it's literally taking that grain of rice, which is going to be replaced by another million grains within about a few minutes. Australia, every 18 minutes, a child goes missing. That's Australia. And they've got a very low threshold of children who are missing. So you can see what it's like around the world. You take you get one child back. There's millions more that have already or thousands more that have already gone missing within that minute. Yes, I talk a lot until we address the evil amongst us, which is the money system. Yeah, it's the central system of evil control on the planet. We've allowed certain individuals to get away with it for hundreds of years. Certainly the last 400 years now of this this hold that the central banking system has on the world, perpetual slavery, it puts you in front from birth. But I don't want to get too. I don't want to sort of suck it. It's not really side tracking. I could definitely get into that and talk about that for a while. You know, we need to wake up to the fact where there's a small group of individuals in society control the whole God damn show and they do it through. They do it through the money system. So if people care about children, we need to start putting the focus on the central evil, which is this system of usury, which is money lending, which was is outlawed in some cultures and the Muslim culture. It's illegal to lend money for profit. But but going back to the all these children going missing. It to say it's alarming is an understatement. When stuff starts to surface, I don't even know if I should say I don't believe in saying names when no one's been found guilty, if that makes sense. But prominent politicians from the 70s who had, let's just say, yachts where 11 children went out and only 10 came back. And there's even, let's just say, Royal Family has been accused of this behaviour over there in Canada. It's fucking alarming, mate, you know, but it's that fine line between what is, you know, what is real and what what is just made up shit on the Internet that just gets a bit of a snowball effect and seems and seems now they're digging up mass graves in Canada from these Roman Catholic institutions, orphanages of these indigenous children that were taken under the alleged wings of these organisations. And it seemed it would appear to be horrific child abuse on just fucking next level stuff. Is that what I mean? And then, sorry if I'm going on a bit, but certain, can we say, Hollywood celebrities? I've got sent a video. I'm too scared to have it on my computer. It's fucking horrible. It hasn't got anything graphic in folks, nothing like that. But it's about a certain Hollywood celebrity who appeared to think he was getting away with, you know, talking in symbols, can we say, and all this sort of stuff. And when you actually track some of these symbols, he was putting out through his social media actually related to an underground website. And I think, you know, you know, folks know what I'm getting at. Yeah. It Jesus Christ. Is it like there any body just fucking normal left on the planet? No, there isn't children in itself. When when they're coming from broken families, when they're when they're actually put into care, for example, they're not classless human beings anymore. It's 100 percent guaranteed about that. You know, as well as I know, whenever there's a room and there's always an element of truth to that rumour. People talk about conspiracies and talk about conspiracy theorists, and I hate using those words together in any way whatsoever. As tin hat wearers, they're all living on this different planet. They're all mentally insane. And don't don't get me started on it too much because that's the road that we're going to be going down in the future. And they failed to see how much research is done into it. They failed to see how much facts have been brought together and the dots have been added and it actually makes sense. It happens 100 percent. It happens. You have to look like you said in the 70s, 70s and 80s. Nobody knew where anything was going on. We didn't find out until the 2000s. When we found out what was going on in the 2000s, a lot of people got arrested for it. And yeah, a lot of people were already gone. But crimes and punishments, the minimal in comparison to what had actually happened. Would it surprise you and how evil that you know the world to be? And you just got a look in Iraq and what Saddam and his family were like as an individual. And you look at these, let's say, higher tier, which they're not the upper class of society and those small elements. Would it be a surprise if they thought that they were gods? Would it be a surprise that they thought they can get away with stuff that they've always got away with from generation to generation? Because this has been going on a long, long time. It doesn't in any way whatsoever. Always remember that there's not a minute of truth. Always remember that that rumor started somewhere and those facts, they eventually come out to prove what is true. And it is, is there? Yeah, we should also remember. If it seems far fetched to people, remember that that the I'm just going to call it the abuse of children was legal or has been legal in many cultures over the years. For example, the Spartans, who a lot of people use their logo and all this sort of stuff as these fine upstanding warriors, where they would take the young boys under their wing, the young warriors and folks know what I'm getting. You know, use them as their plaything. And then, of course, back through history, you had the people in positions of power, they had their slave boys or whatever. So it's not as though this stuff hasn't gone on. It just seems now that... This stuff is still going on. You have to look at Afghanistan modern day, Thursday nights. It's renowned. It's been seen. We've witnessed it. It happens with the triboys. It's a constant thing. Yeah. This is happening in modern day. In addition, I want to cover this at some point, but there's some... So what's the face? Jolaine Maxwell, right? Apparently he was pushing at some big summit, I don't know, like a UN gathering or something. For some changing maritime law where there was no longer law at sea. Folks, I'm just paraphrasing my scramble thoughts here because I hear so much stuff every day and I don't want to keep talking slowly. But so basically trying to push for this lawlessness on the ocean so it was... But at the same time, you've got these rich billionaires investing in submarines and there's also allegedly underground bases and all this kind of stuff. And this is where I just... Sorry for anyone listening who knows way more than this than me. I apologize if I'm not doing the subject justice. But it just seemed to be that these elites were pushing for a kind of area, i.e. offshore, where there was no freaking law, where they could have these submarines and one of them came into Plymouth the other day. It's very weird when you see them, they're like a yacht but they sit just below the surf. You just see a bit of the superstructure just on top of the water and they're building their submarines now and this is a growing thing. And then of course when you think of Epstein and what he was up to, then it's like I say, you just think bloody hell, what is going on? And I mean, if you send 135,000 people, children reported missing in the UK, and I get it that some have just maybe gone to a friend's house and they come back safely away, but a third don't. Yeah. That is seriously covered up, isn't it? If your average British person knew that 30,000 kids are going missing every year. You're going to see it. I'm not joking. Every single day I get tagged in something. Someone's going to be missing, usually a child, sometimes a veteran, but majority of the time a child. Every day I'm getting tagged into these situations. We can't take on the cases because we don't have the money, the parents and the families don't have the money and it breaks my heart every single time that I get one of these and I have to sit back and just leave it. We do take on obviously as many as that we can, but then you go on to, if you go on to the Interpol website and you look at amber notices for missing children and the list is endless. Amber notices for missing children. I can guarantee you're going to be shocked by how many you see. And it's broken down into countries. You just look at the different countries and you're going to see how many people. Don't forget that's only a small percentage of children that get on to those notices. That's not every child. It's such a small percentage that get on to there, but they keep popping up every day. Gosh. No one's looking for them. That's what the world doesn't understand. I've brought it up so many times. Are you social media massively as much as possible? I've never been really successful on Facebook. Instagram is starting to grow and Instagram's only primarily growing due to the fact I use TikTok and TikTok has been my most successful application that I can use for social media because I can actually reach out and speak to the people about it. It's everywhere. I'm telling you, it's just crazy. Yes. And it's still on there all the time sending me stuff. And the way I see it is our political infrastructure is made up of a lot of people that have come up through I'm just giving one example here, but the public school system or for American friends, if you say it, call it something different, basic private schooling, boarding school, where a lot of boys get together at a young age, the age where you possibly should be out discovering girls or whatever it is. So your first sexual experience is likely from an older lad when you're quite young. And of course, this has a massive effect on people's psyche. And then they come up through power. And of course, they're then hung in on as being blackmailable because if you carry this thing into your adulthood and clearly a lot of these MPs do, or if what I've read is anything to be believed, you can see that we've got this dark twisted infrastructure of blackmailable MPs. Apparently, is it called the Haudenlau Garon? It was the children's home on one of the British islands. Was it Jersey? Apologies if I've got this wrong folks. But where allegedly they found Charles remains. Well, I heard back along that MI6, it went on so long that MI6 had cameras in these rooms where the privilege, I call them elite, just for people to know, obviously they're not the depraved elite. But they were going over there on their yachts abusing these kids and MI6 were getting it all on camera to then use, to supply the shadow government with their blackmail information. And again, I've mentioned this a lot, but certain Prime Minister allegedly arrested twice, I believe it was, for exposing himself in public toilets, got away of it by giving the police his middle name. And if I was to say, kind of then shepherded the country with quite a lot of force into 20 years of vicious conflict abroad, you can see how these things, and that's covered. I mean, what I'm saying, I bet there's people listening, or Chris, what you're talking about, work it out, folks, because I've actually. There's just so much that's involved. It's difficult to get it all together. It's all involved. I mean, you have to look at what's going on with the George Guidestones and what's happening in modern times. You have to look at what is classed as the new world order. That there is so much that you can connect to each other, and you can see it happening all around you if you just open your eyes to it. A hundred percent, where it is. And it is, it's happening all around. People quite often are blinded by the actual lies that they see because they see in those lies of the truth. The government has got to the point, and these entities, because it's not the government as such. I've questioned conditioning motions out towards people. And it can be a blatant lie, which is obvious, straight away, bang, that is a lie, you're lying to me. But it's classed as the truth, because it's seen in the normal forms of what people see, all of the information that they've received, and that's how they educate themselves in life. It's an unfortunate situation. When you get somebody screaming at somebody else for having a different opinion, and then getting to the point where they're raging and wanting to push towards violence, because of a different opinion instead of having a debate, and then talking to that person about, and then educating yourself on their opinion, in comparison to your opinion. When you've lost that art, society's in a bad place. Yeah. Society's in a bad place anyway, because I consider myself an enlightened person, Jay, right? So I try not to operate out my ego, although we all have an ego, let's face it. I try to eat as best I can. I have my weaknesses, and I recognise them, and I try and work on them every day. Sometimes some days it goes swimmingly, other days I take a step backwards. I love all people simply because I think we're all the universe, essentially, where people, we've been kidded to believe we're identity second, because it makes it so easy for the ruling. Again, I use the term the rule. It's called the ruling psychopaths. It makes it so easy to control us. If I think I'm Chris and I'm cool, and you're Jay, and you're doing some good, it's all division. But to get to this position of, I've had to work really hard, mate. I've had to learn. I've had to look myself in the mirror. I have to genuinely develop love and empathy for all other human beings on this planet. I've had to get over my voices, or as best I can. But here's the thing, none of our MPs have ever done any of that shit. Sorry, I shouldn't use the word fat, but I use it as in fat cats. They're greedy. They're slobberny. They dine out on liquid lunches that they expect us to pay for. They cheat two houses or whatever it is. Look at the Prime Minister. He's a hideous state of health. There's absolutely no way that man can be in what I refer to as the Kundalini state, which is... And I'm not slagging him off here, folks. I'm using this as an example. That we picked the most depraved people to lead us, and we fall for it every time there's a general election. We go back like sheep and just vote again for these people that have got very dodgy pasts. Not all of them, of course. But I hate to sound negative, Jay, but we're kind of on a bit of a hide-into-bloody nothing. So long as we keep heading forward and not facing up to the fact that we haven't got enlightened individuals leading the world forward, instead we've got stupid psychopaths who control us with idiotic notions of going into bloody space to take, you know, so they can get more dollars in their bank accounts. It doesn't matter who's elected in. It's always the same agenda, no matter what. It doesn't lie at the government. It lies above the government, madame. Do you remember when you as a kid, you always believed that the Prime Minister or President of a country would be the most cleverest person on the planet? You're like, oh, that's someone that I want to be. I want to be the President. I want to be the Prime Minister, whatever. And then you grow up and then you realize the state that we're actually in with the people that we've got in power. It's the most scariest thing on the entire planet to even look at. It really is. But when you start to realize that, it doesn't matter because they need somebody in that mentality to actually go along with the agenda of what is actually really happening. That's when you start to realize it's way bigger than that. And there's dark entities involved in every single thing without a doubt there is. I mean, why did we go to war? This is one question I've asked a million times on my TikTok channel. Why did we go to war? Why did we go to Iraq? Why did we go to Afghanistan? And I've heard the regurgitated BS that's been pushed out there continuously over and over and over again. But it's not those reasons in any way whatsoever. I spent a lot of time in those countries, Afghanistan and Iraq. And I can see what I believe it to be and why we went there, which is a bigger agenda of what actually exists. And it also comes into play with 9-11. But the agenda of what they're pushing out, as in the regurgitated BS, it's nowhere near that. It's not about oil. It's not about gas. It's not about the Americans. The Americans don't have the oil fields in Iraq. It's the Russians and the Chinese that have them now. It's about this Belt and Road Initiative. Is it not this super highway between the East and the West? Hence why I think we're seeing a lot of action now in East Africa, which I'm guessing that's to secure the Suez Canal. And it's a manifestation of George Orwell's 1984. Having these super states played off against each other when in reality they're all controlled by this this twisted minority who only care about power and haven't got in touch with their spiritual selves. Or if they did, they've rejected it. The thing is not everybody is supposed to wake up to it. And that's the problematic thing is that not everybody is. Some people are too far gone. Some people choose not to. Some people choose to stay in the levels that they're at because they're happy with it. So it's a constant battle. If you're ever going to try to wake anybody up, and some people try it at time and time, they get so frustrated with it because they're not listening to it, and they're the ones that I look down upon. I've experienced it in real life. When I was in Kajaki, for example, in 2016, I was the most experienced operator that's down there. The rest of the guys were quite new to the industry. And no one had served more than six years in the industry apart from one other who I'd known for a long time anyway. And it was the guys that were new to the industry that were actually looking at me when I'm talking to them because I've seen the changes within the industry from the security industry to the risk management industry and all this sort of stuff. And the laws and the rules and why we do things and why we don't do things. And then obviously the international code of conduct. And they're looking at me as if I'm the one that's trying to cause problems by saying, you can't do that because it's literally against everything that we're supposed to be doing. And it comes against. Now, this isn't a real-life situation of me being more experienced than them and them making me look like I'm the idiot. That's literally what's happening when it comes to people bringing out the truth of what's actually happening and then being shunned for actually bringing out that truth. And it will be a continuous thing for a period of time anyway until it comes to head, which I believe might be coming very soon. Yes. I just want to chuck out some positive answers to the questions people might be thinking right now, Jay. And that is what you can feel quite helpless. But I believe at the very epicenter of all this is the spiritual battle within ourselves. I think a lot of people are so outraged about the child trafficking stuff and they're on the net every day about... But I think a lot of that comes from the unhappiness they're sensing in their own lives and it just gives an avenue for projecting these feelings of unhappiness and helplessness. I'd say work on yourself folks. Ultimate love for yourself is number one. Ultimate acceptance that you are a beautiful product of this universe. You don't need let's say procedures. You were born perfect. You don't need to go and vote for corrupt leaders that literally hate you. They despise you. They... So I'd say turn off... If you love yourself and you love your family, turn off mainstream media. It's toxic poison. Anything you see on your screen is only there for a reason. It's to keep you living in uneducated left-brained fear so that you're just obedient mindslaves. Be nice, say hello to people. Change your diet. Try to get the alkaline diet so you don't get sick. If you never get sick like I don't, then you're not really going to be in fear at the moment. Are you? I'm not saying it works for everybody, although I have my own view on that. I'm not a medical practitioner, so I can't say. But there's an awful lot you can do closer to home. If you want to change the situation for all children, for the better, if you've been affected by anything that Jay and I have said today, again, remember, you are loved unconditionally by the universe, by guys like us. Certainly all my team, we feel the same. Sometimes it's bad experiences, life. They're put on us by adults. Just remember, it's not personal against you. These were people that haven't had the privilege of being well people in their lives. And it helps to see it for what it is, but it's important to reach out, seek help. Don't struggle on your own. If you're hitting the bottle, the drugs, whatever it is, many of us have been there. It's not just that there's light at the end of the tunnel. It's that when you step out of that, it's fucking brilliant. And you'll be not just 10 times a happier person than you are now, but you'll be 10 times better in society because you will know empathy. You'll know that life isn't always easy for everybody. Jay, I'm going to wrap there because I want as many people to watch this video, because I don't want it to go on too long. So we'll put your details below. Your book, Angel in the Shadows? Angel in the Shadows, that's right. Folks, get involved. Go and grab a copy of that and leave a nice review, if you can, on the platforms like Amazon. Let's chat again, mate, can we? Because this is fascinating. Absolutely, yeah. And it's also, I have to say, it's nice to meet awake veterans. Yeah. And I get that pleasure quite a lot now. I think we have a unique skill set. We're going to hunt you down and bloody use it. That's what it funded to me on that first news article, compared to the real life taken. That's what also I get now, seriously. But we do have skills, and I'm not just talking physical. I'm talking mental, and we can be a force for extreme good. But you've kind of got to ditch the following the mainstream. Absolutely. And you're not in the military now. It's about the future of the planet and doing the right thing. Jay, I'm going to love you and leave you, brother. Massive thank you for what you're doing. Is there anything we need to add that I might have overlooked? No, I think we've got pretty much everything. Also, as I can say, really, it's thanks for having me on. Thanks for letting me get my story out there. Oh, we'll come back on whenever it can help you. Oh, definitely. And certainly come and give us some updates. Yeah, we'll definitely. Massive thanks. No, I appreciate it. Friends of Hope, big love to you all, you legends. If you could like and subscribe and just share this video. And then, you know, you are helping to save children too. Thank you.