 All right, Michael. We got some questions here. Okay. We got two of them first question is Basically when Mike covers the kingdom of God and or eschatology Can he touch on this idea of the earth? Kingdoms and even in Hebrews where it says the heavens being shaking how that connects to the Casting out of demons as well and ultimately the overthrow of Satan and other Principalities both at the cross and ultimately through the church in the last days Yeah, it's sort of the wording of the question almost seems to answer the question I mean it the shaking of the foundations shaking of the heavens that kind of language is of course in the Old Testament most closely associated with the day of the Lord, but it's also associated with the again Consider the the phrasing here with the coming of God Okay to earth which in the Old Testament, you know again is mostly wrapped up in the day of the Lord But if you think about the incarnation the ministry of Jesus and all that sort of stuff Well, we do have God returning to earth and the person of Christ even though it's not You know day of the Lord's setting We don't have a final judgment, you know of the nations for instance But you know we have both of those things going on with this language And so when you get in the New Testament, you know the first You know coming of course God returns to earth in the form of Christ So you you know you have a theological a conceptual connection with that and the whole thing about It's very in the unseen realm. I discuss a bit about how the casting out of demons is you know sort of cast as the You know sort of a stock element or part and parcel of the advance of the kingdom of God the inauguration the advance the kingdom of God because The earth has to be retaken has to be taken back and You know specifically, you know when you when you talk about taken back It's not to exclude the need for Israelites to sort of come back into the fold because they it's their Messiah They need to believe who this person is that the Messiah is actually there But it applies chiefly again to the nations that were disinherited at Babel And so you know you've got this sense that that the land that's not Part of Canaan you know part of the promise Is under dominion of hostile powers of darkness and so the day of the Lord that's going to be ultimately reversed but now we have again the the kick starting of the kingdom of God and again the coming of God to earth is part of this This this language, you know this this motif In the Old Testament so you can see where we're sort of how both sides the inauguration and the consummation of the kingdom Both sort of hook back into this Shaking you know language that is is for the most part associated with the day of the Lord but not exclusively You know it is associated with with judgment of evil You know Psalm 18 for instance God being roused to activity against evil Again, you can you can see that as part of the ministry of christ Judging, you know sin judging demons You know even something like the the money changers and whatnot draws on some of this image So it's all part and parcel of the same thing. It just happens in stages But the language itself, you know to sort of shorten the answer the language itself is connected with the day of the Lord And the taking back of the nations And that obviously in the gospels begins At the first coming, you know when when jesus is present All right second question is a quick one on Psalm 82 5 Is this god speaking about the divine council being fallen Walking about in darkness causing havoc on the earth Yeah, I haven't I haven't really dealt With this When the language of Psalm 82 5, let's just you know read it Again, this is esb They have neither knowledge nor understanding they walk about in darkness all the foundations of the earth are shaken I I tend to think That it's not referring to the gods It's referring to their victims and you say well, what would have to do with all the foundations of the earth being shaken And walking about in darkness This language again is used of you know, sort of this You know cosmic upheaval again, that's that's solved But well, it's actually both caused and solved in a judgment sense at the day of the lord Uh, in other words, you you know at the day of the lord the final judgment god comes back and there's you know Lots of big upheaval and judgment and violence and all this kind of stuff again It's portrayed in this manner, you know the stars falling from heaven and the celestial objects going wacky and And whatnot so this whole idea of the foundations of the earth being shaken That refers to things not being the way they should be And sometimes it's used of god's activity when he's judging Uh, and again in an ultimate sense the day of the lord because when god starts Going to town on on evil Then there's lots and lots of upheaval. It's a cosmic event But the language can also speak to things not being the way they should be Outside of god's judgment that you know god god made the world work in a certain way and he wants Things to work in a certain way and when they don't You have this language of the foundations of the earth being shaken or again You know similar kind of language that what's happening here is contrary to god's will it's chaos instead of order And when you associate it with the nations it actually gets associated with other gods because they're the ones running the nations That were disinherited and so all of this is viewed as contrary to What god wants now again that last thing i said brought the gods into the equation I think again the most straightforward reading of this is that it refers to their victims But since the victims are in chaos because of what the gods are doing They are involved, but it's not like the gods are going running around bumping into walls You know that sort of thing that they have no understanding Uh, and so on and so forth now having said that again, you will you know encounter scholars on the other side you know that that basically This could either be a reference to The gods being judged but then you actually get the judgment in In verse six and so some people would say well, it's kind of out of order to have The judgment happening before verse six because that's really when it's announced But you know the rebuttal of that as well You know god can still be judging them before The ultimate judgment which is you know taking away their existence that that sort of thing So scholars are actually you know divided on who exactly is referred referred to here and do we even need to pick Is it the people of the nations or is it the gods or is it both? And to be honest, I really haven't settled on on what I think here Again, one seems to be a more transparent option than the other But I think they're all they're all sort of in the picture I want to go back, you know to the first question too and just mention That again this whole thing about the day of the lord and the kingdom of god and whatnot This language also Is used in other passages. It's not just Psalm 82 for instance if readers go to isaia 34 Verses one to eight you get the same kind of language where Again, the gods are part of the picture. So let me just read that real quickly Draw near. Oh nations Okay, nation speaking of the nations again who are under the the dominion of other gods Draw near. Oh nations to hear give attention Oh peoples let the earth here and all that fills it the world and all that comes from it for the lord is enraged Against all the nations and furious against all their host Can host can have a double reference doesn't mean their armies or doesn't mean the host the divine being is running them Okay, it could be either or both He has devoted them to destruction. There's the param word that was used in the conquest accounts again people Who've read unseen realms should be real familiar with that. He has devoted them to destruction He has given them over for slaughter and again Doing that to the to the giant cleanse in particular in the conquest event that prepared the land It cleansed the land for occupation and ownership by Yahweh And so you get the same again flavoring here Their slain will be cast out the stench of their corpses shall rise. So that suggests the host here You know refers to human beings the armies, you know of the nations. Okay, but just hold on one second The mountains shall flow with their blood again. That's very human and orientation Then we get to verse four all the host of heaven shall rot away And the skies roll up like a scroll all their host shall fall As leaves fall from the vine and leaves falling from the fig tree So again, you get this judgment on the heavenly host as well and we know again from other passages other discussions that the heavenly host again and Divine beings those were those were two things that since we're modern we disconnect them or the heavenly host those You know, we know we know about astronomy now and we don't connect that to the spiritual world Well, the ancient person did and we've talked about that on the podcast a number of times so that you know brings in the heavenly host language to this sort of judgment earth being shaken all that sort of stuff if you go to isaia 24 In verse 18 you get some pretty pronounced examples of this too He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit And he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare for the windows of heaven are open The foundations of the earth tremble the earth is utterly broken the earth is split apart the earth is violently shaken It staggers like a drunken man. It sways like a hut It's transgression lies heavy upon it and it falls and will not rise again on that day And then that's stock language for the day of the lord The lord will punish the host of heaven in heaven and the kings of the earth on earth So there you have both the human and the divine elements again so on and so forth Again the point being that it's not just psalm 82 There's language like this connected to divine beings the judgment of divine beings in conjunction with the day of the lord But it's also linked again to the general judgment of god god coming, you know being angry with sin and and trying to Reclaim what is his And you know assert his authority well, jesus certainly does that the first time around when the kingdom of god is inaugurated So it would be natural it would it would not be unexpected To see this kind of language connected to the casting out of demons and whatnot As part of that that whole process and as part of the series of events