 When you're trying to bulk, the most important factor to consider is the digestibility of your food. Nothing will get in your way of a successful bulk, like feeling bloated and not being able to eat enough. So when you're considering the foods that you're trying to gain on, always pick foods that are really easy to digest. This was a hard one to figure out. Do you have any studies that you would reference that help support this argument? I mean, I know it to be true, I've experienced it myself. I don't think there's any studies on that. There really isn't. No. That's why it's, I think this is why it's a tough one because until you have tried to bulk for many years and gone through digestive issues and continue to push through that for a long time and then finally submitted and said, oh, let me fix my gut first and then gone back and seeing the difference. It's hard to explain this one to somebody. Well, it's such an individualized experience, like in order to figure out which ones work best with you, you have to do the work of knowing which foods to kind of incorporate in that that do the best and you can, you know, don't have any inflammatory response or anything that you might be potentially allergic to. Yeah, totally. I mean, I'm going through this now. So I've been on this kind of, I've been on a bulk now for maybe about six weeks and usually I have to stop because you guys know my gut issues are always, always play a role. And now for me, it's a, it's a very big difference because poor absorption versus being healthy. It's a huge difference for somebody who's dealt with gut issues. So I always really pay attention to this, but you know, when you're bulking and your calories start to creep up, if you start to eat foods that you don't digest well, you just not going to be able to eat it enough. You're not going to be able to hit your targets and then you're going to be force feeding yourself or stuffing yourself and then that lasts till the next day and it just becomes totally miserable. I feel like the only way to do this is there has to be something too solidly said about if you are eating like that and you eat a food that doesn't agree with you, that you're literally on the toilet, you know, five minutes later and shitting it all out, like as graphic as that is for someone to hear. I know people have experienced that, especially someone who's trying to bulk and I know those, it's not like you shit all the calories out and you don't get any of the energy or calories from it. But you've got to think that you're losing nutrients. You are definitely losing some nutrients and not getting all the benefits from it. Speaking from personal experience, the difference between when my gut health is good versus not is like eight pounds of lean body mass. That's a lot. That's a lot. Eight pounds of lean body mass is the difference for me between good and bad gut health. But, you know, beyond that, even if your gut health is relatively good, you know, if you start to reverse diet, which is a bulk, right? Or you're just trying to bulk at some point, if you don't eat foods that you can digest well, you're going to be met with this like forcing yourself, stuffing yourself. Oh, I don't want to eat anymore. I feel so lethargic. I feel so stuff. Foods that tend to be easily digestible are typically non-gluten-containing foods. I say typically because some people are okay with those, but usually it's non-gluten-containing foods. Meat tends to be easily digested. You know, rice is really well-cooked vegetables. That's another one. A lot of people don't realize this, but raw vegetables tend to cause digestive issues in people. So people are like, oh, I eat a lot of salads. Well, if you're bulking and you're eating a lot of salads, you'll find digestive issues as well. So things tend to have to usually have to be really well-cooked, gluten-free. For some people, dairy is okay. For other people, dairy is not okay, but pay attention to that. So when you're constructing your bulking diet, look at the foods. And of course, macros are important, but consider like, is this something I can eat a lot of and not have any digestive issues? Like you may be tempted, and this is why I'm communicating this. You may be tempted when you're bulking to throw in fast food or hyper-palatable food because you're like, well, I got to eat 4,000 calories. Let me throw in some pizza. Let me throw in a burger. But then how do you feel afterwards? And then you're screwed for four hours. You feel like you can't eat anymore food because you're so bloated and your digestion's off. So definitely consider that. My guess is that the young male is our biggest offender of this. Mainly because I think when you're in that bulking mindset, it's like, it's just such a calorie-driven pursuit. And two, when you're younger too, it's like, I'll do anything I can to get size and get big and go through that process. So I'll just cram it all in and suffer the consequences of whatever it is. And like, that was kind of like my mentality going into it. I just feel like that still exists. And this message itself is like, look, you got to find the foods that agree with you the best in order for you to actually maintain and keep the nutrients in order to build the muscle. So, you know, you're actually doing a disservice to yourself and it doesn't have to be that much of a struggle. Well, if this is true, then it would be logical to assume that this falls on some sort of a spectrum too. Meaning that here's these foods that are very obvious that don't agree with you, that you don't digest very well, that are probably potentially affecting you and the amount of nutrients that you're getting from. For example, like I used, you eat it and then ride away, you're on the toilet with that. But that's the extreme. There's got to be somewhere in the middle there too, of like, oh, you're still eating things that aren't really agreeing with you. And it's upsetting your stomach, it's inflaming you a little bit, but you're not throwing up, you're not shitting yourself. And so you just, you stay in those patterns of allowing those foods in the diet versus, you know what, let me try and eat something that agrees with my body more and see if I see a better performance, better results, better recovery, better everything from it. That's where I think actually a lot more people land in because it's hard for them to make that connection. I mean, as a trainer and coach and I know these things, I think there's still things that I go like, oh, damn, that doesn't affect me well. Yeah, you know, so here's my test. So I'll ask myself, because you're 100% right, there is a spectrum. There's like super easy digested foods and then foods that are obvious, like you eat them and ride away, you notice. And then there's stuff in the middle. So I ask myself, is this something that I can eat a lot of over and over again and I'm okay? Is this something that I feel lethargic afterwards? Or do I feel it repeating on me afterwards? Do I notice any changes in how I feel? So I have foods that I can put in a category of, I can eat the hell out of those and I'm really, really fine. For example, for me, it's well-cooked vegetables. It's white rice, red meat, eggs, chicken and fish, all in the super easy to digest category. Then there's foods like, you know, like I have to be careful with like I can eat potatoes, but if I crush too many potatoes, then I start to feel a little bloat. So that's kind of off that a little bit. And then there's things all the way over here, things like gluten and dairy where one meal containing those and I'm not gonna feel good. I also think there's a combination of those. For example, and this is top of mind for me because just literally two nights ago, I think it was, Katrina and I ordered five guys. One, I hadn't had five guys in at least a month or two. And the last, I don't know, how many times I'd ordered five guys, I had ordered just the, what are they called? Lettuce wraps, right? And then I turned into like a salad, right? And Katrina said, do you want your usual lettuce wraps or do you want the burgers? I was like, you know, I want the burgers. I haven't had, I haven't had a burger in a while. I was like, I was craving it. I'm like, give me two of the double cheeseburgers from there, right? Oh, it fucked me up. And so, and I'm always reminded this when I tease it out for a while, and then I reintroduce it and then it reminds me of like, damn this. And really what it is, is a combo of what I found of the bread, the cheese and the meat from there. It's like, one of those in an isolated in my diet isn't enough to really- It's all three. Yeah, good point. All three of those are enough of a fender combined together in an overconsumption of calorie meal and it is like the absolute bomb. Yeah, and then also consider this, right? When you're in this kind of low state of inflammation, it's gonna affect your hormones, it's gonna affect your recovery, it's gonna affect your cravings. You're not gonna burn fat as effectively, you're not gonna build muscle as effectively. And then consider this, when you're on a bulk and a cut, but when you're on a bulk, you really wanna hit your protein targets. It's hitting a bulk with low protein is going to encourage fat gain. It just is. So as you know, I'm a, let's say I'm 200 pounds, I wanna aim for 200 grams of protein in my bulk. But let's say I only get 100 grams of protein, but I still hit my calorie targets. I'm more likely to gain body fat. So especially when you're trying to hit your protein targets, this is something that's real important in terms of avoiding things that are like heavily processed in junk food. Junk food typically will give you lots of calories, but not very many grams. I mean, this was the trap I fell into as a young teenage, early 20s kid trying to put weight on was I was really just looking at calories. And until I actually started tracking macros, this was far way before IFYM or even any of the tools that we have now, we had to do everything by hand. And I understood law through dynamics. And so I was so focused on calories that I never really tracked macros. And I remember the first time I tracked, and I couldn't figure out why I wasn't building muscle. And I went, go on these bulks and I feel like I just put mostly body fat on. I was grossly under eating protein by a lot. High calorie, low protein. High calorie. That's like a pro fat gain diet right now. Yeah. And it would just put body fat on. I got very little, if any muscle, by just being in this huge, so. I did the same thing. I think it's more common than not. Dude, I did the exact, I had the same epiphany. I was eating like 4,500 calories at one point. And I remember one of my trainers like, but how many grams of protein? It's gotta be high, right? Yeah, but like 100, right? It was like 120 grams. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, oh wow. Same thing. This is probably why I got up to 230 pounds and I gained like three pounds of lean body fat. The rest was body fat. That's probably a reason why. Yeah. What's up everybody? Here's the giveaway for today's episode, Maps Split. 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He says, out of the hundreds of podcasts he's done or interviews, this was one of his favorites or one of his best ones, which was really cool because we think the guy's pretty amazing. But here's what's interesting, right? So we aired that podcast on YouTube. Almost immediately it gets demonetized, meaning they will not, we're not gonna make a single dollar off the Zuby interview on YouTube because they're not gonna put commercials on it. Essentially it's almost like a shadow band in the sense that they take away commercials and or it's probably reaching less people or getting less recommended. The reasons that they said that it got demonetized was for using profanity, so bad language. I'm pretty sure that was the cleanest episode we've ever done. It was. I don't even remember swearing once. And there was some drug. Drug reference. Which took me a while to figure that out. I think we mentioned mushrooms, psychedelics at one point. Oh, right. So what's interesting to me. So briefly. Briefly, yeah. This is why Big Tech is so unbelievably annoying and frustrating. That would be okay if there were some consistency, but every single episode we do, we have profanity. So I have a clear- And we mentioned- So I have a theory around this. Appreciate it. And here's my less conspiratorial brain, how it goes. Since I'm the least, although I'm slowly coming to- So less accurate. I'm slowly- I don't know how you- Well, what's the difference between the facts and the smarts? Yeah, six months down to six months now. Proven to be fact. So what I think happens is I think that YouTube, Instagram, these things, they have their algorithm that's designed to comb any episode and pick up for any of these things, you know, like you just labeled that we got nailed for. I don't think it gets set into effect until a bunch of enough, and I don't know what the number is, people complain about an episode. So because that episode had some very polarizing topics in it, even though it was received by 90% of the people as a great, even though they didn't agree with that. What I was really impressed with that interview was a lot of people said, I don't agree with everything that he said, but to listen to the way you guys ask questions and allow him to articulate his answer, I really enjoyed it. But because it triggered enough people that actually, and those are the same type of people- You probably didn't even listen to the episode. Right, they go out of their way to complain about it. I think that then triggers another thing on YouTube where they're not taking the time and listening to everyone's episode. They go, oh, hit the filter button, see if it has any of these things. Yeah, they hit the, well, they wait, hit the button, the button combs it real quick. Oh, wow, there was drug top, there was this, that's enough for us to fly. And then that's what happened. Here's why- That's my theory. So I would normally agree with you, but here's why you're wrong. We sent in a repeal. We requested a repeal. YouTube went through and looked through it and came back and said, yeah, nope, demonetized. Well, no, okay, so I still think that- Every episode, you literally just said shit yourself in this episode in the first five minutes. This episode will get monetized. Yeah, but here's how it's gonna go. But unless we talk about something extremely polarizing like that, that's not enough to go send 100 people, let's say, to all complain. Like maybe every episode, we're big enough now that every episode there's at least freaking 10 trolls that are some girl that Justin broke her heart when we were in high school and she, you know. There's a few that linger around. Every, thumbs down, thumbs down, right away. Everybody's cool, except for that, they're digitally keying his car, right? Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. Doesn't even matter what we say. Who are you? So I think that happens no matter what. I think we've reached a size where of course that happens. But then when we have enough of a polarizing conversation or there's a larger group, let's say it's just like, again, for I have no idea of making numbers up, 100 people go and say, this is false. And that- Solid theory. That triggers that. And then when you repeal it, they go back and said, well, no, it picked up all these things. Therefore- It's so inconsistent. And also- But that's why it's inconsistent though, don't you think? Yeah, maybe. That's more realistic. Maybe, but ever since Twitter came out with the Twitter files, it was very clear, very clear. They had people from the FBI working in Twitter. They had done, you know, politicians had requested certain things that happened. There were specific types of opinions that were censored heavily and others that were promoted. I think YouTube is part of that. I think Instagram, Facebook is all part of that. I think it's bullshit. I think it's complete bullshit. I mean, literally, of all of our episodes, it had the least profanity. And it probably had, we've had episodes that were entirely about drugs. This is the first time it was flagged. And I mean, we did- Ever. We did hit every topic we possibly could. I'm convinced, just like Sal getting kicked off of Instagram, it's because it triggers enough people. Because it triggers enough people to go and complain. By the way, I can't- And it was getting traction. Oh wait. No, I can't be let back on. You are that bad. They went through, so we had somebody who apparently could find out, you know, get you back on Instagram, whatever. What? They went through and they came back and said, it got flagged as a, they went all the way to the end. Like, okay, we're gonna get it. We're gonna get it back. We're gonna get it back. Then they got there. It was flagged as a permanent ban. And the reason was because it got, I got kicked off more than eight months ago. So because of that, they're like, sorry, we can never bring it back. No, wait, dude, literally Donald Trump just made it back on. Yeah. Donald Trump made it. You're trying to tell me you're more controversial on that, dude? No. Get out of here. No, no, no. I really do think it just has something to do with- It's my face. Does this censor my face from now on? I really, I mean, imagine the staff, the amount of people it would take to literally go through- You're right. You know what I'm saying? But by the way, it doesn't mean that I don't think that the algorithm is favored or one-sided or biased. Well, I agree with you, but then what happens is, and here's my prediction, once you're looked at, once you make a little bit of noise because the algorithm picked them up, you got some complaints or whatever, now here's my fear. They're gonna go back. We have like, I don't know, thousands of episodes on there. They're gonna go back and we're gonna start getting messages for old shit. Or now, future stuff. Now they're gonna be more strict. This would happen with my Instagram. Hey, I wanted to ask you since we're talking about some controversial stuff and tech stuff like this and also so our audience. So Doug doesn't stop sweating over there? No, we're gonna stay in this lane. Sorry, Doug. No, I'm actually really curious of your thoughts or have you been paying attention to the heat that Daily Wire is getting right now? Is this over the whole Steven Crowder thing? Steven Crowder? Well, that was what kind of like made me pay attention was Steven Crowder's contract thing. He recorded a conversation. His argument is that they're still pandering to big tech, even just because they're conservative doesn't mean that they're not fighting against the war with big tech. That was kind of his argument. And then I saw what came out with Nicole Arbor and her beef with Candace Owens. And so it just made me, I had paid attention. I wasn't really paying attention to them. I'm not a subscriber, so I don't know a lot of the details of Daily Wire. I know it's obviously a very strong conservative social platform. I know they're growing and exploding right now. And their whole thing is supposed to be pushing back on big tech censoring kind of conservative type values and views, but this is two situations in this recent month where I've heard that they're also kind of pandering to big tech also. Yeah, actually, and I was listening to Jordan Peterson on Rogan and he brought up a good point too, like in terms of like it's not... Did he go on there again? Is it a new one? Yeah, it's a new one. And it was a lot of what we heard when we went to go see him in this talk, he's kind of bringing up and a lot of this around the whole global world. Climate, you know, religion that's being drummed up. But what he was talking about to be concerned about too is even as much as, you know, he's liking stuff that's going on in Florida with the Santas and some of that movement in terms of like trying not to censor and all this dirt. Meanwhile, like getting rid of critical race theory in schools and all this, they're starting to kind of get in a conundrum where they have to censor certain information, which then now that's gonna lead them down that rabbit hole of like what can you actually censor because there's less subjectivity to it. So this is what I'm hearing from Stephen Crowder's side in their argument. And the same thing from Nicole Arbor, both of them were saying that you're censoring or you're canceling somebody else. So what makes you any better than the crazy left? Now you're just the radical right. Right, which is a valid concern. Two things to look at. One is that we tend to think that because people have similar ideals that they're all gonna get along like each other and wanna do business with each other. So just because Nicole Arbor, Stephen Crowder, Daily Wire, you could put in that conservative camp, I guess. Doesn't mean that they're all gonna agree with each other and wanna work together. Yeah, no different than the left. It doesn't mean just cause you have left leaning policies, doesn't mean you're like the radical left. It's like a monolith. You're like wanting to cancel everybody. Right, right. So there's that. The other part is in regards to when you have, I am against censorship and I'm against tyrannical government overreach. Anytime it happens, this is the problem. The problem is that everybody's against it when the other guy does it and everybody's for it when their guy does it. When Trump is in office passing executive orders, conservatives are like, yay, when Biden does it, conservatives are like, no, you have to understand that it always sets a precedent. And DeSantis made it, he did something that I was totally against. Now a lot of stuff he does I like or whatever, I did not like the way he was with Disney. Disney was outspoken and against him and against whatever his bill was. And so then he went and threatened Disney to change their tax status because he's the governor, he could do that. That's tyrannical. I don't care if you agree with, if you're against Disney or not for what they did, you should always be against government doing that kind of stuff or at least be consistent. So, and that's the thing we got to do because what ends up happening is when your guys in office or your people are in power and you support them doing shit like that, that means the next guy's gonna do the same thing when they're not on your team. And meanwhile, the boots march towards more power, more government, I mean, the truth to me with this conversation would highlights more than anything else is that you're a fool if you really think there's a left or a right side. They're on the same team. It all moves in one direction. They're on the same team. You're on a military industrial complex. I mean, the biggest warhawking right now is from the democratic side of the fence. That was always a big concern. It's because they're in power. Yeah, they're on the same team. I don't hear any of the concerns from that group. You know when they both accept that we're gonna disagree on these things and we're gonna fight over them. When it comes to war, when the right is in power, the left is pro-peace. We can't be killing anybody for people. When the left is in power. No censorship, right? And all of a sudden it's all okay. But it's packaged differently. When the left is in power and there's war, the right is against intervening and we can't be stepping in other people's businesses focus on ourselves. It's positioned differently, but it's the same thing. Whoever's not in power is the pro-peace party. And it's always just enough people that they don't have enough power to stop it, but they can say enough to appease the people who don't wanna go to war or spending. Everybody's like, oh, whoever's in power spends all the money. Whoever's not in power opposes the money spend. And then they flip and it's the same thing. It's always the same thing. So it's two sides of the same coin, unfortunately. Did any of you guys get a chance? I bet you didn't know when listen to the Peter Lehmann thing yet. No. I want you guys to listen to that, please. Sorry. I was supposed to, I told you. Yeah, yeah, no. He's super positive, right? About the economy and... Yeah, yeah, no, he, well, that's a strong statement to say. He's super positive. I would say that he... Or more optimistic than other people. Yeah, he's very optimistic that we're in much better shape than a lot of people are, than a lot of headlines would make you, you know, feel as far as... Didn't, wasn't his predictions like in the 90%, like he only had like a few of them that he said that he was wrong? Bro, he's, he's, he's spot on a lot, dude. He's become one of my favorite economists to listen to as far as he's pretty level-headed. Now, my buddy Chris Nagibi, his argument to him is like, he's like, you know, he's a really smart guy. And he goes, I agree with most of what he says. He does have a slight, he says, real estate slant. And so it's in his best interest to be bullish on the housing markets and with that, because that's a lot of where he's made his money. And so when you have that, you tend to be more optimistic in that. But he goes, all in all though, I mean, the, the statistics and the things that he puts out in his, his Littiman report and his, and what he talks about is true. It just, it's not, the, and the biggest thing that we've been talking about is like the credit card debt and all that stuff like that that's going on right now, which is pretty bad. But then when you look at the average net wealth for average home, it's up significantly, way higher. And even the debt, when they give you the numbers on how crazy the debt is, they're comparing to last year, or the year before. When you look at it 10 years ago or what like that, it's actually not that crazy. Oh, so historically it's not crazy. Yeah. So there's a lot of these like, so now I'm, it's so hard, right? When you see headlines like that, it's like, I can't just take, even if it's from a good source, right? These are good credible sources. And it's true that, oh, we've had this huge increase in the debt. But then if you just go back to like, oh, eight and see how upside down it was like, it's tough cause alarmist kind of headlines like capture. Always. They do. Always. And so even, even myself, which headline's going to get more clipped? Like everything's going to be okay. Or like, oh my God, we're going to tank and the world's going to end. Same thing with the climate. I mean, it's like, yeah, if you alarm everybody, like we're going to have an apocalypse, then you know, you're going to get some kind of like policies that come out of that. No, you're right. Yeah. Which is why I like Linemann because I think he does a really good job of being pretty, you know, optimistic. And he's not saying that we're not, we're not due for a correction and coming the other way. But when you look at it from a, you know, five, 10, 20 year lens, it's not as crazy. We always like to go like, oh, it's up 25% of what compared to last year or you know, the year before it's like, what over the course of 10 years, are we that bad compared to, and so. Oh, good. Yeah. So it's, it's a good list. You guys are going to listen so we can have a little bit more dialogue. I got something for you, Adam. Yeah. So they just did a poll. How long has chat GBT been out? Was it like a couple of months, right? It's like only been a couple of months, right? As far as I know. Yeah, right. Is this a new, is this a new study that came out? Ready for this? This is, this is gritsly, but not for a few months. 89% of college students admit to using chat GBT for their homework. 89? Yeah, dude. That's so high. I know. Oh my God. Cause I even saw an article in our local newspaper, like not the Sentinel, but it was one of these like, and they were already like, oh my God, like this chat GBT is going to like completely change our entire education system. Like, yeah, where have you guys been? Yeah. Yeah. Dude, immediately what I thought. 89%. I know kids, by the way. I know kids, high school kids, seniors and juniors, who've already turned in papers and got them graded. Nobody knows. I mean, this is getting wild. What does that say, Doug? The genie's out of the bottle. Launched in November, 2020. Two. Dude, that is wild. So from November till now, you already have 89% of college students. Wait, that's just last November. Yeah. Oh my God. 89%? I mean, to me, that's a testament of how effective it is. Right? Yeah. Like you would not have that many kids adopt a new technology like that, unless it was extremely effective. It worked. You know, everybody just does like a text message and we're like, hey guys, like this is what I did. Well, you know what? Remember we've talked about this, you know, dating ourselves, but I remember like, when we talked about God, could you imagine being back in school with TED Talks and YouTube? Like, I feel like I would have crushed school just from that. Like be able to go to a resource that allows me to listen to a lecture by somebody who is a great, like great at lecturing and giving me the information I need and go right very specific to what I need to learn. Dude, the only thing close to it that I remember is like when we got those calculators that you could actually like do all the- Oh, the Texas Instruments. Different like form, yeah, like the formulas for all the different like graphs and because you had to like remember and memorize all those things previous to that, that it's like, do we ban these? Do we allow them in the class? And then they finally allowed them. There's actually a really cool story around the Texas Instrument evolution. You have to look that up for me, Doug. Look up like Texas Instrument calculator. No, calculator story. We'll circle back to that, but I know I read it wrong. Because you could literally write in everything too and it would store it. And so when you go to take the test, you literally could just scroll on your, like it's a computer. Like you could like, and so they didn't, they kind of were just like, oh well, you know, this is part of the curriculum now. What are they gonna do with this? Because I don't know how they're gonna get around it. They can make you write stuff in class. So there's software that's already out that is to combat it, right? So they already actually have software. I'm sure it's way behind them. That's the problem. It's like drug testing the Olympics. Exactly. They only test what they know. I mean, you're right. I mean, I... Who was it that came up with the, God, we interviewed, was it? I forgot who we were talking to, but they said, maybe what they'll do, like they do with athletes. So if you win the Tour de France, they'll store your urine and blood for 10 years and test it. Yeah, that's right. Because the technology catches up. How fucked up with that? You're like 10 years into your doctor, you've been a doctor for 10 years. We're pulling your PhD out because we just found that like... We just found out that... 80% of your tests are done by chat, GBT. Oh, you're actually lazy, sorry. How else are they gonna do it? You know what, that would be an effective threat though, because you might think they're never gonna catch me. Like, oh, that'll work. Okay, so what do you guys think about this? Because this is one of the arguments like, if that's something that you can use in real life, why would you limit a student to teach themselves through a tool like that? It's kind of like, it's the same argument for a calculator, right? It's like, why would you tell them they can't use a calculator for these things and force them to... It's just like a jump. I feel like it jumped so many steps. I think that's where the alarm sets in. It's like, whoa, like this is way more powerful than those previous tools. Yeah, it is, but the truth is it's going to be here. But yeah, you're right. And they're gonna be able to use it in real professions like that. So it's almost kind of silly to try and like... I mean, you're right, that's the future. Right, so obviously right now there's gonna be an overcorrection by teachers. They're gonna be like, okay, everybody writes by hand, essay's only done in this classroom, thinking that that's the right way to handle it. But it's like, okay, well that same student, when they grow up and they're 25 years old and they're an executive for some company, they're gonna have that resource. And this is where part of me gets like, so if I'm the most negative out of all of us, probably about all this stuff, the positive side of it and the optimism to me is like, this is gonna have to restructure the way we educate kids. And I think that this whole memorization thing has been bullshit since day one. In terms of like, how we've been trying to educate kids, you have to memorize all these facts, you have to memorize, but you're not applying it very well in the real world. So literally the intelligence gap between me and you and Sal, is literally Sal's a better Googler. That is it. Yeah. Literally you and I would be like... That was such an underhanded... I was a slight... Oh man, what's he gonna say? I give you... I'm a full credit for that. He's a fucking brilliant Googler. He is. We'll be sitting here. I want a t-shirt that says it. He's the most brilliant Googler you've ever met. Like, he's really good. Like, we could be having a debate about something. And with these three minutes, he'll have a PubMed study that defends his point and I'll be still trying to Google. You know, I'm trying to figure it out. He's already got three studies to prove me wrong. There's a skill to that. Listen, listen, 100%. Look, if you look at situations where it's very clear, you need to know who's gonna win and who's gonna lose. Look at war, okay? We don't teach soldiers today. We don't spend a lot of time teaching them sword fighting skills for a reason. Why would you teach all your military how to fight really well with a sword when the battlefield, the victory or loss is determined by the advanced weapons? You know how to use your weapons. That's a great argument. Why don't we just have all of our forces use call of duty as their training for warfare? Just do play call of duty all day long. Let's not actually get a gun and actually go out there and use it. Well, no, my point is like, if the future of work, the future of productivity is utilizing these tools, then what they're gonna have to do is they're gonna have to teach students how to maximize these tools. Not how to do the work that these tools do. Learning how to do the work that these tools can actually do for you is wasted time, in my opinion. It's wasted time. Now the fear is what are we gonna do if we don't have these tools? Well, I mean, what would happen now if we didn't have electricity and modern food production? Elon's whole thing is to become, to be the cyborg. So you basically just incorporate yourself with the technology, which is, I mean, again, this is all stuff that's like, we watched as science fiction growing up and it's like, these are real things that we're wrestling with now going forward that I'm pretty like, wow, this is crazy. Speaking of advanced technology, I've been doing more reading on, we're supposed to talk about Juve, which is red light therapy, right, that you could have in your house. The research on red light therapies, effectiveness on wrinkles is profound. There isn't a single thing that will make your skin look younger, aside from improving your health, right? Then red light therapy. Like literally, and if you look at the studies and you compare red light therapy to any other method of reducing the appearance of wrinkles and making your skin look younger. Is that compared to like topicals and everything? Oh, crushes it. Like the only other option you got is like Botox, right? That just paralyzes your skin. It destroys it because it stimulates collagen production, literally it does. The reason why your skin changes as you age is you produce less collagen, the matrix underneath your skin starts to break down. Red light therapy does the opposite. It actually promotes the growth of collagen, promotes these collagen matrix to build. So literally reverses time, if you will. Why do you think that Juve hasn't came out with one of the face mask ones yet? So when you talk to them, there's a big difference between the red light therapy you see in studies and then the common red lights that you could buy online. I think just the engineering of like, how to get the maximal amount out of those, like red light bulbs. There's a certain spectrum. There's a- Yeah, I know. So your theory is that probably those ones that are the face mask ones aren't as effective as the- Not even close. Oh, no. Yeah. Because to me, that would be really cool. I mean, I would totally- I mean, they have the go. I know they almost need to be like a helmet. I know, but I would totally like, so imagine to you, I wish I was that, it would make me more consistent, right? If it was something I could just kind of slide over, slide over my face and I could put it on, it'd be on a timer for 20 to 30 minutes. I could either do something else or even just laying in bed before you go to sleep, having that over and then be able to- I mean, they have the go, which like we're behind it. No, that's not, my sister's good about that. So I don't have a job where I'm sitting still at a desk or I'll start, to me, it'd be perfect. That's what she does. She literally puts it up right next to, like your laptop's right here and then it's next to it. It's like shining on her while she works. I think that's brilliant, but- That's what Jessica- That's the way to do it. Really? Yeah, yeah, she'll just have it on her while she's- Yeah, if you have a job, to me, if you have a job or you have to sit at a computer for an extended period of time, consistently every day, to me, that would be the move. Yeah. It's just to put it right next to- Right next to your computer. Put it on the skin on changing skin appearance and actually objectively changing the skin itself. I mean, it blows everything away. Pretty crazy. And it does it because your body does it. It's not like fake, it's not paralyzing muscles like Botox and that kind of stuff. It literally makes your skin younger. I didn't know that it rivaled all those things. Oh, crushes them all. Justin, I got something for you. So I had something for Adam with ChadGPT. I got something for you. So I pulled up, they did a study on Bigfoot. Yes. It's an analysis- Oh, you know Squatch, man. What's Squatch up to? It's an analysis and here's what they found. Okay. For every 900 black bears in an area, in a given state or province, there's expected to have one Bigfoot sighting. So because of this data, they're saying that they think that what people think is Bigfoot is actually a black bear. Because the phenomenon of it is that like black bears, they've shown walk on their hind legs. And they'll do that for an extended amount of time sometimes, just playing around. And so people see that like it's a upright ape. Yeah. So they think that that may be it because they did the math and like, okay, for every 900 black bears, there seems to be one Bigfoot sighting. That makes sense. Now, the other argument is that, that maybe black bears live where Bigfoot lives. So they all live in the same place. Yeah. I don't know. But what do you think? I still like Bigfoot as an interdimensional type traveler that just pops in and out. And so he's real elusive that way. That was my favorite. It sounds crazy ridiculous. But the part of me that like, okay, I could get on board a little bit with this, is I remember when I heard the stat on how many new like species or whatever that we find. Oh, yeah. It's actually really crazy. Like you, we like, I think every day we find like a new animal or species. I mean, that's kind of crazy. Kili Mubembe. What? You guys ever heard of that? No. Okay. So there's this place in Africa. I don't know the exact country, but maybe the Congo. But real dense jungle. And there was all these crazy noises like prehistoric dinosaur kind of noises. Right. And there was like this claim that they they saw. It was it was like not a brontosaurus, but it was like a really like a lot smaller. It looked like the same type of species as like those plant eating dinosaurs. So anyways, there's there was like sightings of it and there's like this crappy video of it. But so there's there was that, right? And that was like one thing. And then there was another one, too, where it was like recently I saw this on like a Joe Rogan clip and they're kind of like talking about this. This what's the the small humanoid species, right? The one that's that was like they call hobbits hobbits. Yeah, like hobbit people. Yeah. And so it's not it's not because, you know, in the pygmies, like people are they're like real small, like so it's not pygmy. But there was this other place. I think it was in this one was in India, I think, but they were riding dirt bikes. And all of a sudden this little person just runs right out in front of them. Like it was this real tall grass. And it was they were like chasing them for a while and then like just darts into the grass. And it was it was weird looking at this little person just running and I'm like, you know, of course, it could be doctored and like there could be messing with the video. I just thought it was funny that they have some clips. Oh, wow. So that's the what did you just call that? I called it the Mochili Mbembe. That's just for my brother tropics are crushing for Justin. I know. I think he was on point. I actually think he was on a living dinosaur. What the fuck? Boom. Did they find it? So. I don't think so. I think it's I think this is a yeah, they've created a photo to make it look like they found it. Have you guys have you, Justin, you know this, but I've heard the audio and it's trippy, dude. You guys should listen to Justin. You've got to know this. So I went down the rabbit hole of lizard people and apparently there's another happens. So lizard people were alien species that came to earth and they took over the earth. And then there's another alien species called the Anukai. The Anunnaki. Anunnaki. Yeah. I knew you would know this. And apparently there was this intergalactic alien federation, right? That kind of controls everything. They came down and they told the lizard people and Anunnaki, they said, you guys have to leave earth, leave it to the humans. And the Anunnaki said, OK, we'll leave. And the lizard people said, no, this is our home now. That was the story. So that's the battle. Doug, did you look up how many species a day are found? That number for me? So I get my facts straight on that. You know, I saw that I just ran into someone's Instagram page, you brought up with dinosaurs. Look up on Anunnaki, too, I guess. It was like one of those spoofs where they walk around the street and they interview people. And this guy was asking people what they thought about. Joe Rogan killed the Triceratops recently in one of his hunting. Try to save the Triceratops. Should people be allowed to be going on these big game hunting trips and killing them? I don't believe so. I don't believe so. No, there's really no point, like, especially pushing the animals to extinction and stuff. And the people that were like. They were so mad. Yes. Oh, from that Jurassic Park picture. I don't even know what. I mean, he just did this thing where he's walking around and saying, like, did you hear what happened with Joe Rogan in his last hunting, you know, exploration or whatever. The last thing he they killed, he killed the Triceratops and their dangerous species. And you should have seen some of these people that were like, yeah, that were going on these rants about how like, how wrong it is and everything like that. No, that's funny, because that reminds me of when this. So, you know, when everybody was getting upset about the trophy hunting and like Cecil the lion and all that kind of stuff. So there was like, there was this sort of onion article or something that went out and it had one of the actors from Jurassic Park who was sitting in front of this dead dinosaur. And then it surfaced on social media and everybody's getting up. I can't believe you killed this, you know, this majestic animal. So maybe that's maybe that's what it's attached to. It was pretty funny. I was like, bro, look at this. Isn't that crazy? So the year 2016, science described around 18,000 new plant and animal species that is equivalent of 49 species per day or 400. What is that 49.3? Wow. Species per day. That's what, OK, so that's on earth. I remember when I first heard that stat, I was just a new guinea. I was blown away because of course, I mean, want to tease you for something like that. But it's like, is it really that weird to think that we've found some new species when we were on average we're finding 49 every single day. No, there's a stripe. That's why there's this striped. I think it's called a striped tiger that we thought was extinct forever. And they found it and they saw that it was actually it wasn't a striped tiger. So there's this whole movement, too. And you guys have heard of the whole thing of like bringing the woolly mammoths back and like they're they're literally genetically trying to, you know, clone them. And then it was also the Tasmanian tiger. Yeah. Oh, that's the one. Yeah. Tasmanian. So they're they're also trying to like how smart Justin. I can't wait to get my peptides. You know, genetically clone them and bring them back. It's crazy. And dude, like, yeah, this is where my brain gets all, you know, fires like on all cylinders. There's also like within Antarctica, like just so much there that is like mystery, right? Like there's just like places where there's a cave where it's you go underneath it. And because of the geothermal heating and everything, it's like it's tropical tropical climate underneath the surface of this crazy, like, like arctic tundra. And you're like, people could live down there. Isn't that where the Nazi base is? I mean, this is what this is where it gets is where it gets like, you guys won't listen to me. If I take me seriously, if I bring that kind of stuff, I feel like you edit your conspiracy theories. That sounds a little more realistic in the realistic stuff. I'm going to leave that part out. You guys can like research, look it up yourself. That's what he says. It's pretty wild. Doug, look up the Anunnaki. Are they were they giants that were that were here? Giant people? So and that's the other thing. It's like a you look at like biblical. So you look at accounts of what do they call those? Like the the giants? Yeah, we're like observers. Yeah. So there's there's some weird correlation between a lot of like religions and myths that, you know, kind of explain like why giants might have existed. Here's an interesting fact. Did you guys know that Antarctica is the continent with the highest IQ? Why? Because they're all scientists. That's it. Because there's so few people, but they're all like super smart. Science. I just learned that. I have a staff for you. That's interesting. That's not on your guys, this conspiracy science nerd, but it's in the financial world I thought was interesting. One third of all millionaires never even made six figures. What? So they went from nothing to millions. So one third of all millionaires never made an annual income of six figures. No, it just means that they learned. Maybe I've brought up the staff before they said what the one number one thing common of all millionaires I've shared this before is that they know how to live well below their means. And so one third of today's millionaires never made six figures. So that's just from their wealth growing because of investments from being for living well below their means and investing income then like you're bringing home. Yes, they don't make an income right. They became one third of all millionaires net worth. Right. So there could be their house. People ever never made six figures. But I that's such an alarming number when you think about like one out of every three actually never even made six years, six figures, but yet they're millionaires over 80% of them too were self made. So meaning they didn't inherit anything that money from any do you know how many millionaires in wealth live in the Bay Area people who immigrants who came like my parents, my parents on paper are millionaires because the house that they bought, you know, long time ago for 200 grand now is worth one point whatever. So on paper, they're technically millionaires. Now, okay, so I want to I want to say something though to commend them because the average person will just dismiss that as like, well, of course, they bought a house 30 years ago that said, you know the discipline, you know the discipline, you know how many people I know that actually bought a house 30 years ago and they don't have millions of dollars because they look at it like a giant savings account and they've just pulled out on their property five or six times refying all the time. So yeah, so I mean, I don't think it's fair to dismiss somebody who, you know, bought a house 30 years ago held on to it and then be like, oh, well, they're only merely, oh yeah, but you know the discipline it takes to allow a home to appreciate like that over decades and never, you know, dip into it like most people would. So I mean, I just think that's really interesting because as a kid who wanted to be a millionaire so bad when I was younger, you know, I would have been I was always looking for the jobs, what job pays me the most money and how quick can I get to making that much money when in reality, the strategy should be more like, oh, how can I live on the least amount of my means? Yeah, it's no different than this. It's like trying to get lean by speeding up your metabolism versus trying to get lean by burning calories yourself. Trying to become wealthy by taking your money and figuring out how your money can make money for you is a smart strategy. Trying to make the money yourself by working more, that is a tough strategy and very there's a lot of people who have a millions of dollars in net worth, very much fewer people who actually make millions of dollars in income. That's a much smaller number because it's much more, you know, much more challenging. So I have a dad story for you guys. I know the last I think I told you off air before we started today that it almost made me cry, but it wasn't like a good cry. It was like it hurt my feelings cry. So I had my I had my first experience with that, right? So Katrina and I, this is a couple of nights ago, we're laying in bed and Max comes in and we're like, actually we're up watching TV and he hasn't been feeling really well. So we kind of let him just climb in between us. And so he like nestles in between us. We're finishing up a show right there and he's like, you know, trying to sleep and he's he's he's uncomfortable. He's uncomfortable because the lights are on in there and he can't get comfortable between the two of us. And he kind of sits up. He's like half awake and Katrina goes, do you want do you want daddy to take you back to your bed? He goes, yeah, my bed. And I said, OK, come on. So I take him and I walk him back to his bed or I carry him actually. And I'm carrying him back in. And normally what we do when we put him down like that, we normally will lay and lay next to him for a little bit until he kind of falls asleep and then creep out or whatever. So and Katrina does this most nights. And so I'm like, oh, I haven't since that we've been at this new place. I haven't even laid laid with him one night. So I'm like, I wanted to lay with him. So I lay him down and I lay with him. And when I first lay him down, he's his head's facing the other way. And I'm laying there, not even for like 30 seconds or so. And then he flips his head over and he sees that I'm laying there with you. And then he sits back up and he goes, I need water. And so I had him as his thing and he takes a drink of the water and he goes, go and I go, huh? And I go, what did you say? And he goes, I don't want you in my bed. And I said, you want daddy to lay next to you? Like totally deferred it. You want daddy to lay next to you? No, go. And I'm like, OK. I said, good night. I kissed him and I'm like, this can't be he's going to he's going to get up, right? Walk out the room, go in the room. Katrina's like, oh, wow, that was fast. I said, yeah, he told me to leave. I looked at him. Sucker went right to sleep, laid right over, did it again the second night, dude, two nights in a row. He's done. He is like, yeah, it's totally because of that. Because if Katrina goes in there, he wants her all cut all up. But even I've always been able to do that. This is now where this new phase now where you don't want dad in bed with me. That's too big and hot. Dude, totally. I remember going through that. Oh, it killed me. Oh, dude, I was just like, oh, you just you just what now you're getting into the teen years. You just wait where you're like, you know, I'll text them and they'll be in the room. Hey, hey, you guys want to watch a movie together? Nah. Yeah. Like, yeah, then they watch popcorn. You guys want to hang out as we get all these plans with their friends. Yeah, I'm just like, dude, well, that actually like made a point of because ever it's like just young, you know, have that like small window left, we went on a hike for like three miles, like in the woods. And we just went as far as we possibly could pack the lunch and everything because I'm like, dude, I don't have this kind of time with him. Like it's very short window. So we did that. Oh, I was a great time this weekend, but it was like, dude, they're already every weekend. Everything is all counted for now with their friends, like their call friends or text and friends are on, you know, their devices like talking to him. And it's like, we just were way less cool. Yeah, Raylias, I was I was giving him food and then I got up to do something. Jessica's there and he goes, he goes, but Bob, feed me. So I'm like, oh, you like him with Bob feeds you? He goes, yeah, I said, who's your favorite mom or dad? You know, Jessica there, who's your favorite mom or dad? And he looks at me, he goes, mom, no hesitation. I go, mom's your favorite? He goes, yes. And I said, oh, yeah, but who's the most fun? Who's the funnest mom or dad? And he goes, mom, like, so now I'm trying to trick him, right? So I'm like, who smells the most? And he goes, dad, I'm like, oh, you know what you're saying, damn it. And he looks at his mom, too, like, uh-huh, I'm on your team. I'm like, all right, whatever. The only plus side to it for us is that there's been times and I always feel I feel bad, but I also go, ha, ha, see, this is that he wants her so much that when there's moments when I'm like poor Katrina, she's just like wants a break, you know, or she's just like, I don't, but she'll ask him, do you want daddy? Daddy will go take you. Daddy will go lay down with you. He's like, no, you know, I want mommy, I want mommy, kid. Well, we'll see. I got, I got the youngest. I got Dahlia now, right? She's two months old. I'm like crossing my finger. Be a daddy's girl. I just want one of those. You know what I mean? I just want a little girl that's just, oh, I think she will. Now, is there, I imagine it's still, though, at the, at the, obviously her young age, that it still will be the attachment more to the moment. When does that the daddy's girl phase normally start? It depends. I have friends whose dad, their daughters were like that. So my older daughter was never like that. She was never daddy's girl. You don't think she is now? No. Oh, really? No. Oh, I feel like your daughter's daddy's girl. She loves me, you know, all that stuff, but she's not like that. Like I see, I have friends with daughters where they're like daddy's girl, you know, but my daughter was, she's never been like that. Now, if she really needs something or whatever and, you know, something happens, she'll, she'll talk to me. But I mean like that daddy's girl where, you know, they follow dad around when it whatever. No, I don't. My uncle has that. So I'm like hoping like my own is two daughters like that. Like I think as if I had a girl that I would aspire to have that relationship where they're 20 years old now. And if their dad's sitting on the couch and they come in the living room, like both girls like lay on him. Really? Yeah, just we can be middle of the day conversation and doesn't matter how the seating arrangement is in there, they'll come over wherever he's at and, you know, like a leg over him or head on the shoulder. Oh, that's cute. Yeah. And just, and it's so, and you see it every time we're wherever I'm like, oh, that's so cool that he's built that. Dude, I got to, I got to tell you guys about a series on Netflix. I was going to bring up. I want to bring it up before this intro ended. It's called Physical 100 on Netflix. Have you guys seen this? I did see it. I watched a preview and it looks very squid game ass to me. Well, I mean, it's because it's Korean, they're both Korean, but it's not racist. No. No, no, no. Actually, I see why because it's like, it's like games, right? Yeah, yeah. And well, and it's, and it's not in English either. No, so it's brilliant though. So Jessica and I started last night. So what they did is they took the best physiques and athletes from Korea. Everything from bodybuilders, powerlifters, runners, runners, Olympic gold medalists and judo and taekwondo, MMA celebrities that they have, you know, female athletes, boxers, wrestlers, gymnasts. So just a wide variety of what they would consider the best physiques. And then the premise of the show is they put them through these challenges. Some of the challenges are because I saw the previews. I only watched one episode. Some of them like definitely reward brute strength. Others reward agility or stamina or skill like there's because as I'm watching these athletes come in and they're kind of talking about them and they'll show who they are. I see like this one MMA fighter and then this one like judo black belt. And I saw in the previews that there's like where they have to wrestle each other. I'm like, oh, they're going to kill everybody in the rest. Yeah. But it depends. So the first event, they all go out. There's a hundred of them. So they all go out. And the first event is the ceiling comes down and it's these bars and you have to hang on to the bars with their upper body and then it goes up and the first 50 people to fall lose. So they have to figure out how to hang on to the bars. Yeah. And I'm like right away, the power and if there's a bodybuilders are dead. Yeah. Those guys are gonna be screwed. There were these there were these and then they had some like some guys on that weren't even athletes. They were just like massive dudes. They fell right away. There was this one girl that she had great technique. She put her arms over the bar and then hooked him around her leg and then brought her legs together. And I told Jessica said she's going to she's going to beat everybody and she almost did. What was she? What was her? She was I think she might have been a YouTube. There was a couple of YouTube stars. Oh really? Yeah. But her technique was really good. She's watched enough YouTube videos. She's like I've seen a video on this. It's going to be walking out. I lost a YouTube fluencer again. It's going to be it looks it's going to be interesting though because I can't wait to see because I think I can predict I thought the gymnast would win the hanging thing and he did. He killed everybody. Obviously. He's better. But then they're going to be one where they're going to lift like a super heavy. Yeah. Or arm wrestle or whatever. Like you're going to obviously that the boots. It's going to be fun. It's going to be a fun. I mean yeah. I mean what would you think? Well did they have like a CrossFit Games guy? They did. They also had like special forces people and and you can see when you look at so so Jessica ever playing this game when they were walking out Jessica was telling me like OK what do you think they do? What do you think they do? And some of them I could guess right away like body builder power lifter. Some of them were challenging. I picked out the wrestlers. I can always pick out wrestlers but it's pretty interesting. So to me that's just their ears like the female wrestlers came out. The other side is really wide. So if you were to if you guys were to guess so on who would probably what what type of athlete would do the best in a competition like that. I would lean towards actually like a CrossFit CrossFit Games kid if they don't do a lot of athletic endeavors like sports like like ball sports. Oh I see throwing a ball hitting a ball is so that's where they will that's where they'll get their ass kicked by like another athlete like I say somebody who's just like well rounded like you know player can play volleyball basketball football doesn't matter their athletic like that. They'll actually. So if they just do it around strength stamina endurance flexibility I feel like the CrossFit Games athlete would be one of the more well I think they would do well. I think gymnasts will probably do really well. The wrestlers are probably going to do really well. You're probably going to see the winner for the men is probably going to be around one hundred and seventy pounds one hundred and eighty pounds muscular and for women probably around one hundred and thirty five hundred four. I think to the special forces mainly for the mental fortitude yeah you would have over yes they have a special force person in there. So so I'm so interesting you said that. So on the high on the hanging one I said the gymnast was going to win because if for anybody who doesn't know if you've ever seen a gymnast hang on a bar it's like you're looking at a chimpanzee like they'll hang there and just like they'll just they'll eat a sandwich with the other hand and and this guy was there was this gold metal gymnast drapes with her toes. He was crushing everybody but second place was this instructor for special forces and he was a lot bigger. But you could tell that he didn't he didn't care if his arms broke off like he was up there. He had his arms hung over the bars and he just and you could tell his mental fortitude deal with pain a lot. Yes and the gymnast was they interviewed him afterwards and he's like I definitely couldn't lose because my friends would all make fun of me if I didn't win this event. He goes but I was looking across. So I would take the special for I didn't know there's special forces person that you know they I mean because that's all mental. That's all mental. Well and they also tend to attract like the ideal body type for that overall thing like I remember when I first what book was that that I read that I alone survivor and I remember reading that and they went into like buds and talked to it and I didn't realize like what the average weight and size of like the guy who they're not big dude. No rarely ever does the big Jack dude make it out of those things. He's they're normally like 510 ish and 180 pounds or so guys are not a farm. Yeah just yeah just really yeah like good natural strength not real not too tall not too short not muscular and fit but not too muscular like it's interesting to see what comes out of that which so someone like that body type I think would do. Yeah if they have some athleticism too because that's where you'll get crushed by some of the athletes as if they have if they do a lot of skill stuff throwing hitting involved in it so yeah. Interesting. But yeah the bodybuilders are going to get their asses I think just hand it to them unless it comes like the pure strength like unless there's like a mirror event. There was this one chick that was a female bodybuilder and she was like she's like twice as big as me dude. You're showing her flexing and stuff before she goes out and like she lost her way. She had bad technique too. She was just hanging out with her hands like what are you doing? Hang over the bar idiot. Yeah. You get your ass. It's not about movement. Doug I had a question for you I know today we have NCI for a commercial is when is the event that we are all going to in and it's in Arizona. Right. I should know these because I've been asked and I don't know the. Yes in Arizona. It's in April. The exact dates. Let me see if I can pull those up. Is right now you can enter to win and go there for free. Is that what the entry? No there is actually signing up so we have an event there. Those who sign up this week as well as book their hotel. We're going to have an event at the hotel and it's going to be us there with the participants. The only way to go to the event and see us is if you were in no if you're in that hotel. Am I right. That's correct. So I know that now I know they have a bunch of great speakers that are that other but you have access to but to have access to our private thing you have to also stay in that hotel. You want to know what's really crazy. So we had NCI come by or they brought some of their coaches and trainers. We met with them all. We've now been to how many events have we been to Adam coaching con five like five. Yeah I'd say somewhere. The amount of coaches and trainers. So online coaches and trainers the amount that make like deep six figures a year which is if you're a personal trainer and you make over 100 grand a year you're better than 90% of the trainers in America. Okay. I can't believe how many of these trainers I meet and they talk about there because they do lots of business coaching making one girl 700 grand. Yeah I know. Yeah. I'm always as a coach. I know I'm always so impressed because you know I've had success outside of fitness but the most fit success I've had within fitness has been with you guys and what we've currently built. And so when I hear these other coaches and trainers who I know look up to us a lot of times and admire what we've done and build and I see what they're doing I'm like you're doing a lot better than I was. You're crushing what I did behind myself. Yeah I mean so you got to make sure you pat yourself on the back every once in a while and they're like oh man mind pop all this and I'm like listen first of all I've got three other brilliant men that I that I've partnered with and we have an incredible team of people. You have the Googler. I mean for you to have built a business like that is several of them 300 400 700 thousand a year. I can't believe it. That's so impressive. But there's so many I've met so I thought it was like a fluke but we've gone so many times now and I meet so many of them who are making tremendous amounts of money doing online coaching and then it's iterative. They continue to do it every single time. No Jason has done a really doing a good job. A really good job. Yeah I mean they have an incredible system input something I would have needed if I because I'm not very organized and that was always my bottleneck or Achilles heel in scaling my my personal business. Having someone like that that I could lean on to help you know systemize everything for me would have been it would have been a big advantage. Totally one more thing I got this is just short but I saw this and I want to bring up because I think it's really cool. I read about this French weightlifter who was jailed by the Nazis remember the Nazis took over you know France they whatever he was a weightlifter he got they threw him in jail he broke out of jail by bending the bars he bent the I have a picture of him here was that yeah his name is Charles wriggle law I don't know if I'm pronouncing right he bent the bars escaped and then beat the the guard who killed him in there and escaped what you imagine an actual prisoner bending the bars escaping how strong do you have to be to do that I didn't even think that was possible I thought they would that's I feel like that would be something that you they test before they put the bars in prisons like don't you think like if you like there should be some sort of like I feel like if you can bend the yeah I feel like we could bend the bars with your hands you deserve I know I felt to let them out I'm saying if you can escape you can get out you know I'm gonna let you go but that's what I would say yeah who do you guys have for a shout out did you guys have something on your I do not to shout out I do not Oh look at you guys so I'll find so I have I had this this comedian that I've been sharing and I actually had so many people ask me and so I should do it just for that reason because I I didn't tag him by the way well I have that repost app that Justin turned me on to that's when so people that have asked me like how come you don't put the person's name when you do the repost app but just automatically puts their stuff up there but it doesn't put their name and his name is Jeff I want to say Jeff Dyer he's really funny I really like his stuff and I've never seen him before until right now so it is Jeff Dyer and Dyer is DYE so Jeff DYE you've shown us this yeah I've showed you I don't know if you guys are following him yet or not but I'd never seen him before he's I love following I love finding comedians and just artists in general when they're like smaller like this and up and coming you know like I think a tie tie fish is another Tyler fish is another guy that I follow that I remember finding them when they were really small and like watching their their fame as they grow that Uncle Lazar who he's he's like he just quit like working and he's full time going into comedy because he's done so well he's getting pretty big mm-hmm this guy's a good one good follow what's up everybody go check out a company called Paleo Valley they may they make meat sticks made with 100% grass fed beef they're not dry they're delicious but they have many other paleo inspired supplements they also have a chocolate flavored bone broth that tastes like chocolate doughnuts it's literally the best tasting protein powder I've had in my life I've talked about on the podcast a few times go check this company out go to paleo valley dot com forward slash mine pump then use code mine pump 15 for 15% off your first order all right here comes the rest of the show first question is from Stephers in progress are there benefits to taking a pre-workout supplement over something simple such as black coffee or an espresso shot I love this question I like it because there is some benefit however it's not huge so if you look at pre-workouts much of the benefit that comes from the pre-workout is from the caffeine that's what people feel the most that's what's contributing the most to improvements and performance now pre-workouts will typically contain other compounds like citrulline for increased blood flow there's some studies that show that might help beta alanine which seems to help with things like stamina and then smart pre-workouts will have compounds that'll balance out the caffeine by theanine yeah like theanine or other herbal compounds that help or mushrooms smooth it out so that you can have long-lasting performance now the difference isn't huge so for somebody who's like really into working out I think it makes sense but otherwise it's not that big of a deal just regular caffeine seems to be okay for a lot of people and pre-workout the category of pre-workout they didn't exist up until maybe 15 years ago before that it was pretty non-existent well even when we talked about trying to increase pump like what we had talked about for the most part was that like drinking more water was going to be pretty much suffice when it came to getting that same kind of a feeling and effect but they do have those other ones that you'd mentioned in terms of like trying to enhance that a bit further but honestly I think in terms of feeling something and like if you're not you don't have that like immediate excess of energy like caffeine in whatever form I think coffee is plenty sufficient well what are okay so what are the most common compounds that we find that are in pre-workouts that have been proven in studies to show some sort of benefit and then if you were to extract each one of those like how would you rate them for example beta-alene, citrulline, branched nanomino acids are probably the top three things that are added to pre-workouts that are most common would you say yeah I mean and explain to me and I know the research I know I've talked with our good friend Mike Matthews who talks a lot about his pre-workouts and he's got a lot of his stuff is dosed really well and solid stuff right what when you look at it like what is the difference is it like really splitting hair no yeah that's small it's small you know who it matters it matters to the person who's a fanatic so like you know I work out five days a week every single week for the most part and so for me it's a big deal it's like you know it's like somebody who's a car aficionado like small details are going to matter versus somebody who just drives a car to work so that's where it kind of makes sense other than that it really isn't that big of a deal in terms of results it's not going to make that big of a difference really it's about feel it's about the enjoyment of the workout so the way I like to look you look at pre-workouts is is this going to make something I like a lot or I love a lot even more enjoyable that's how I tend to pick a pre-workout not am I going to take this pre-workout and build more muscle or burn more body fat now you can make the argument that the more you enjoy the workout the better it's going to contribute to better results and that's a fair argument but to say that there's like this dramatic difference between coffee and a pre-workout I mean there really isn't now I don't necessarily do coffee because coffee can sometimes bother my gut but aside from that I mean coffee's it's natural it's packed with antioxidants it's good for you and it's got the caffeine that people are looking for now I will say this you could take coffee take some thinning with it and you'll get a better benefit if you look at pre-workouts I think the way that you should look at them is rather than what's going to give me more blood flow or better pump like that comes from water being healthy I think you should look at it and say what's going to give me the most the best mental effect that's where you can that's where you can find pre-workouts that might make a difference and you want to look at compounds that balance out the stimulatory effects of caffeine things that make the caffeine like I don't know about you guys but have you ever had too much caffeine where you work out and it makes you feel out of breath because you have too much caffeine so that can happen to some people with caffeine so have something that makes the caffeine feel smoother feel more steady so you're not shaking on the bar or with the dumbbells where you feel more concentrated not just gacked out of your mind Deionine is amazing for that Deionine does that for sure that's one of my favorite things that you've got me to do but like cordyceps, ashwagandha you know there's a lion's mane can help with that kind of stuff you know a good test for the person asking this question to test for yourself because you know like you said to your point if it makes you work out better you get in the group I mean then so be it you can afford the extra money for the pre-workout the thing the biggest mistake I see people that are trying to compare coffee to a pre-workout is they're not even doing the same amount of grams of caffeine or milligrams of caffeine so I feel my pre-workout way more yeah that's 350 milligrams that's right your average pre-workout today now is 250 to 400 milligrams of caffeine which is like two vinty coffees so most people aren't drinking two vinty coffees before they go into the workout so you got to give your coffee a fair shot if you're going to compare it to a pre-workout on the dosage so you know and even cheaper and easier way is to get straight caffeine pills straight caffeine pills are hell that's what I do sometimes and they come in 25 milligram doses normally 25 or 50 milligram doses and you know pop you just got to time it a little bit better though yeah it takes a little bit longer maybe 30 minutes I do 30 or 45 minutes yeah 30 minutes I can set especially if it's early in the morning and on that's how I do yeah if you eat it with a meal you probably give an hours to be safe but you know compare you know do the exact amount of caffeine pills to what your pre-workout is and I would make the case that you'll feel pretty much the same thing energy wise in your workout which is what most people and here's what I do if I work out five days a week usually I save the pre-workout type stuff so I'll take peak power right that's Organifize supplement that you could classify as a pre-workout I'll take that on my most important hardest workouts and the rest of the time I'm doing just caffeine or something mild so this way you can either you could save money but besides the money saving it's really about maximizing the effects because if you do like something high powered all the time it loses its effect anyway so I tell you know when I would recommend to clients I would tell them use this on the two workouts of the week that you really want to get after it the longest hardest workouts that way you really feel it and it makes a big difference use it all the time it starts to lose its efficacy next question is from Danielle Pizzano what exercise if any would the Smith machine triumph over a barbell for an advanced lifter given they have access to both yeah I picked this one because I know Justin would want to pull his hair out I want to slap this question I tell you what I'll say this okay I have I have some so do I I would look for the for most people we don't I don't 90% of people push up there's my answer a coat hanger usually that's what I would do before right push up her body rough but for 90% of people you know you don't really need to use a Smith machine now for the 10% out there that are advanced you know a Smith machine you can really target and isolate and squeeze muscles because you don't have to worry so much about balance like for example if you do an incline barbell chest press or a barbell bench press on a Smith machine versus with a barbell with a Smith machine you can focus just on really squeezing the pecs so for bodybuilding purposes when you're advanced I could see it having value with a lot of different actions same thing with barbell row you do a barbell row versus a row on a Smith machine with a Smith machine you can really just focus on squeezing the lats and the muscles of the back versus you know having to balance the bar but for most people I don't see for chest for chest and shoulders and training hypertrophy and the ability to take it up to failure without you know deviating in form and not worrying that someone's going to catch it because you don't need a spotter and it's on the same track or doing drop sets I could see value in it now I never like to use it for lower body I think that's where the most controversy is with and here's my theory on that and I know there's people that love to do split stance squats on there even regular squats on there in my experience training people so many people have so much dysfunction in their feet and lower body that using a machine like that's a terrible idea and it's a very and you can make that case for upper too which I know that would be Justin's argument like Justin would be like I would never do upper body on that even because kettlebells and free weights so much better for the shoulder joint and I know he'll come from that angle for sure and I don't disagree with that at all but I think there is less risk and it's less of a bad choice for like upper body stuff like shoulders and chest as I think it's a terrible choice for lower body for the reasons that I'm bringing up that most people have weak ass feet and you and have terrible ankle mobility and have terrible hip mobility and if you put it on a Smith machine track because you want bigger quads or target the glute better or whatever you're using it for lower body I think you are really missing out on what most people really need to be focusing on when it comes to lower body which is getting their feet stronger getting better ankle mobility getting more stability in the hips and you are really losing that losing out on that and to me that's the reason why I would never do it for lower body Yeah, I'll give you two exercises for lower body where if you have good skill, good technique you're somewhat advanced that I think are okay split stance so like split stance like a lunge or squat where the feet stay stationary and a front squat and it's not a traditional front squat a front squat on a Smith machine you stand your feet are in front of you almost like it's almost like you're doing a hack squat like a sled so your feet are in front of you you're kind of staying back with the bar Now, you're considered obviously an advanced lifter but I don't think I would ever see you do that Never Okay, so even I've even cautioned saying advanced because you could be an advanced lifter and really good at lifts but then you have a ton of dysfunction in your lower body Yeah, and I'm just saying you can get away with more when you're that advanced and you can isolate and squeeze, right? I agree with you Yeah, oh, also inverted rows By the way, two things I mean, did I hit what your point would have been as far as like That's why I didn't contribute much I mean, that's You guys covered it Well, I don't disagree and I know that I think that's a very smart, valid point and I just don't see why I would ever do that with a client Now, does that mean though, okay, that today you're chalking today up as a lazy day and it's one of I think where you get into trouble is when it becomes a regular thing right that doesn't mean like you would never catch me on a Smith machine if I was gonna do bench press day and every bench press was taken the Smith machine was open I haven't used Smith machine for bench in two years If I'm doing all there is is cardio equipment and I'm on vacation and there's a Smith machine or something Yeah God forbid somebody sees me doing it Look, if I'm bodybuilding in a bodybuilding where I'm just isolated you'll see me use it you'll see me use it for certain areas that I have trouble feeling you know I don't even want to say trouble feeling I just I'll use it as a way to get a pump and to kind of add novelty but it's just I wouldn't place the Smith machine in the top 10 of you know I would just caution people from making it a regular thing especially when you have all these areas to be addressing in your lower body and that also applies for upper body too if you have all kinds of shoulder dysfunction and you're using it too it's also not a good idea but you got all the stuff that you should be working on with your feet and your ankles and your hips and then you're getting yourself on a machine and that by the way that would go for a hack squad or any other machine too I would just encourage body weight or free weight squatting lunging Bulgarian splits because there's so many other step ups so many other great movements that you should be doing and not neglecting instead of using the Smith machine Next question is from KDC Soto What's the best way for women to get sculpted arms It's easy Same way for a man to get sculpted arms Okay let's go about this Let me hear your sexist answer Yeah it's uh well it's for anybody right build muscles in the arms and get lean that's really it and I think when people ask this question they don't realize that that's the answer because they use things like sculpted and what about for women as if it were any different right as if it were any different for men or women Sculpted means shape the shape comes from muscle build build muscles in your arms and then get lean so you can see let me tell you the biggest challenge that women the most common challenge that I saw in my career with women in this for this question is in order to get sculpted arms to Sal's exact point you need to build muscle and building muscle requires a calorie surplus and a quote unquote bulk right that is a big uh so so you get a I get a female client common goal lose body fat lean out get sculpted arms get a flat tummy that's what I want and you say I really want sculpted arms I say okay well then what we should do is go in a calorie surplus and a bulk and build your arms and then we will cut down the body fat and then reveal the hard work that you've done and the challenge is they also want to trim down at the same time of sculpting these arms and what we really should do is dedicate a part of your training in a bulk and building and letting go that oh your shirts might fit a little tighter or your arms might look a little bigger temporarily while we build this muscle that freaks them out that freaks them out and also I mean it's the multiple wrap thing of I don't know I've gone through this multiple times even with Courtney too of like you know really trusting the fact that if we're strength training now like we need to actually just be more conscious of loading so you know press ourselves a little bit more intensively on you know the amount of load we're lifting for the arms as opposed to just like getting that burn where we're just like continuously doing reps in order to feel it so much of proper training is psychological it's not even funny because if you're trying to get you know if you're trying to get sculpted arms the last thing you want to do is feel like your arms are big and bulky well if you're in a bulk and you built a little bit of muscle on your arms you're not going to build a ton of muscle on your arms because most women can't build massive arms but you're going to build some so let's say you add a quarter inch of muscle on your arms and you're in a bulk so you're not necessarily getting leaner because you're trying to build now your arms just feel bigger and they're not they don't look leaner so now you're freaking out it's just like when a you know when a guy is trying to get leaner and at first he just feels smaller so he freaks out so it's so psychological trust the process because what you don't want to do is get in this position where you freak out so then you go on a cut and you just end up with skinny arms if you just want skinny arms well then just okay lose weight but if you want arms with shape you have to build so there's going to be a time in between where they're just going to feel bigger and bulkier and by the way they feel bulkier than they look I know a lot of women come I don't want my arms they look so bulky and I look and I'm like I don't notice if anything I look more shapely yeah so it's so psychological next question is from lift for carbs when doing unilateral movements should you switch the limb you start with for example the first set starts with the right side the second set starts with the left side and so on only if both sides are perfectly equal if both sides are perfectly equal equal then you can totally do this now that's not true okay let me clarify this because it took me a minute to unpack what they were saying so they're basically saying like let's say they are doing single arm dumbbell curls the first set they start the single dumbbell curls with right arm and the second one they go left yeah because it makes a difference which side you start with my answer would be actually be almost never because rarely ever is there not some sort of a discrepancy even with really advanced lifters like all of us in here I would still say that I still have a little bit more dominant side than one side or the other always start with the most dominant side first always always always the weaker side the weaker side dictates what the other side should look like and you should pretty much always keep that and even when you are really balanced you're always going to have a side that's a little bit stronger than the other side and so you start with the opposite side and by the way so we have a program called map symmetry which is about bringing balance between the right and left side and we actually had a young lady who's on our forum very fit oh yeah she did the bio thing and she did a dexa scan dexa scan will tell you how much lean body mass you have on your right arm versus your left arm right leg versus your left leg and she had it before and after and in the before there was a discrepancy between right and left which most people have this most people have one side strong on the other and she was somebody who was fit so the discrepancy is larger likely larger with people who are not fit people who are fit tend to have more balance nonetheless there was like a 0.3 or 0.4 pounds of lean body mass difference between the right and left side she did map symmetry and followed our advice which was start with the weaker side and she balanced them out perfectly perfectly and the crazy thing about this is that's muscle that would not have been built has she trained bilaterally because bilaterally mean both sides at the same time means your body's used to it's imbalanced so because she did unilateral training because she started with the weaker side because she let the weaker side dictate the reps and the weight for the stronger side the stronger side maintained while the weaker side built which would have never happened and so she ultimately built more muscle as a result yeah you'd allow that strong compensation to persist which then you know would keep developing it at the rate it was developing when in fact the dressing it allowed her other side to catch up which then gave that more symmetrical appearance that was such a great testimony because she actually tested beforehand and then went it yeah so yeah and then so so good I wish everybody did that I went through that product but again what you wanted is you want to start with the weaker side let the weaker side dictate the reps and the weight and then when you go to your stronger side even if you feel like you could do more don't copy the weaker side because the goal is balance the goal is not to maintain the imbalance you want to maintain the imbalance and find you more reps with your stronger side but the idea is to maintain balance we'll start with the weak side if everything is perfect which that's almost never the case then yeah that then you can switch right to left but that's almost never the case look if you like mind pump head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out some of our guides they're all totally free all of them designed to help you with your health and fitness goals you can also find all of us on social media so Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump Justin Adam is on Instagram at Mind Pump Adam and you can find me on Twitter at Mind Pump Sal today we're going to teach you everything you need to know to build a strong well developed chest when I think of weak points and in areas that I struggled with developing for a really long time chest was up there with the yeah it was for me it was for me for sure I got more caught up in the weight I could lift versus how I was developing my body I think it's one of the most challenging muscles to develop for most people because the form and technique