 Boom Tony Johnson here with a new and improved 21 report. I have my good friend Tony Bruno He's been helping out the event once again helping out the show did a great job Tony. How you doing? Good Anthony, how are you? Or should I say Tony tonight today? I'm Tony. Yeah, thanks, man. Appreciate being here So this is one of your many times being at 21 summit 21 convention What's it been like this year for you the 15-year anniversary of the event compared to when you first came I? See a major improvement every year. Yeah, I see an improvement In men I see an improvement in the way it's run Improvements in every facet of the convention Thanks, I appreciate that you've been a part of that team and you started out as kind of like you know volunteers helping out a little Bits every that's gone by you've gotten more involved as a senior volunteer I call you at this point and I appreciate it man What you do is integral to what we do scheduling logistics with people around Things much, you know all kinds of stage makeup all kinds of pretty pretty useful stuff. We need I appreciate it big time man So you've been at the event here. What's it been like this year specifically or again? What's it like being at this event being around a lot of men that share our values? I Think it's something that every man needs every man needs to experience without a doubt. I Think there should be two thousand men at this event. I I I think that what you've brought to men is Something that nobody else has Create an event Exclusively originally for men now we've added women to the 22 convention But as far as men goes, I don't think there's anything else in the world That you can get this type of value from because when I speak to guys that are attendees and Every single guy Says they want to come back. They can't wait till next year. They want to bring a friend But I think the event has Kind of morphed into a I'll say an event of positivity I think there's a There's a buzz when you're here that you get nowhere else. Yeah Yeah, buzz is a good way to put it. It's an energy like Pat's seven might say right our chakras are aligned Pat and Pat's by watching later So this is your first year doing interviewing and hosting in part along with Will Spencer the 21 report the show We're on now that I'm hosting How'd that go? That's a pretty unique experience and it's a much higher role than even being a senior volunteer You're part of the talent now. How'd that go and or some of your favorite interviews? Well, it was new for me Doing a YouTube channel is quite different than this type of interaction. So it was new for you've had a lot of experience So this so you do a lot of interviews. Yeah. Yeah, this is a different Dynamic though then speaking on a screen, you know or from my kitchen table or from my from my living room So yeah, it's a little bit different, but We'll say Steve the Dean like he said pop my cherry But I know Steve so I felt comfortable It was at first maybe a little awkward for me because I wasn't used to it, but I Think interviewing Jesse and coach Greg was it was a lot of fun for me. You interviewed the black man's fair Yes, I did. Oh Shay you watching she was watching Who else would you interview anyone else? I interviewed John Anthony lifestyle and Alex playing with fire What do you think about the the events this year in particular the speeches like you Obviously, you're like me busy as hell people don't see the main year behind the scenes or grabbing people doing this running around At least let's see some of the speeches What were some of your favorite speeches at 21 convention the room you're writing the most I believe Well, my favorite speech was yours. Yeah With a doubt without doubt it had the most energy I think but that's that's Tony Johnson Yeah, I went I went all out on that one. I appreciate that man. Yeah, I did watch Jesse, of course, which yeah Jesse's always amazing. Of course Michael Foster. I think is an incredible speaker I think Michael Foster can he's one of the guys that really can relate to men Obviously fathers guys that want families guys that have families Coach Greg of course High energy his meat thing I saw on there, right? Is was I think it was protect your meat. I didn't know what that was I just saw it when I was walking out. I'm like what the fuck like whatever is cool. I was really good You know, I get a few minutes of each speech when I'm here, so Yeah, there's a lot of energy in the room is what I noticed too It's been it's been a good year man, and I'm really glad you were here Did you get to see any of the talks in the patriarch or the 22? Bouncing up like me at like I'm bouncing in and out and seeing those. Yeah, I did watch I can't remember who I watched in 22. I'm moving so fast. So Was it a man or a woman? I didn't watch any woman set with any women So we had a couple birthing person speak, you know. Yeah, so but Yeah, I don't remember who I watched in 22. That's all right So that could be one of the guys. Yeah, Socrates or Ken Curry J. Vincent There's a lot of them that each event had like 10 to 15 speakers or might more like 12 to 17, but yeah, it's complicated. Yeah What do you look forward to most next year at 21 21 summit? I'm gonna do you know make upgrades where I can change it like you have a business owner I was looking to improve for my product to prove what I do We look forward to next year kind of thing in particular I'm looking forward to more attendees. Yeah is is what I would like to see yeah Because I think men and women are missing out in a big way if they're not here Again, I'm behind the scenes now and being behind the scenes I get I get a lot of reaction from guys A lot of guys tell me, you know, they talk to me because I'll ask them. What's your experience like here? And they're very candid with you. Yeah, and it's always so positive There was a couple guys I think from Texas that were just so excited to be here And I don't remember how they how they found the 21 convention, but they will be back next year So it's just a positive event for men and of course for women now Yeah, yeah, the fathers the men the women got to get the females and the birthing persons the non birthing persons I don't want to call the fathers They haven't others a new name. I saw recently for that was a stupid name like a woman that's stupid bullshit You know they had some other I'll think of it. It's like a sperm I don't know some dumb shit and find it. Yeah, what a wild year, man Damn, I don't have a question brain for I don't want to ask on that. Oh, yeah, the frauds. Let's talk about the frauds I hate the frauds as you know my speech focused heavily on roasting the frauds at the flamethrower I was just like you saw I just went non-stop Obviously like in my speech though, like you said like you said you liked it a lot You know I flat-out said you know this year the man is fear has been rocked by a series of scandals and Exposes and just real frauds like you at the point at some point. It's not even frauds theft So what are your thoughts on the how the man is fear has been rocked by scandals and these frauds the fuck old fat women I was a grocery at the shark mama the shark do so Those are some of my favorites. I like making fun of but what do you thoughts on that from like a conceptual standpoint? I find that When you say fraud to me a fraud is somebody who isn't congruent Okay, if you're teaching me something or you want to show a man something say you're a dating coach you're teaching a guy to Meet a woman. Okay What you have what you've produced from your Will say your dating program or your Different things that you sell your courses your results your results your receipts. Yeah receipts I think a receipt for a dating coach is really important I've heard guys say oh you you don't need receipts Yeah, you need receipts No, those are fake. You know a lot of time That's the reason they don't have receipts because they're fake It's make-up excuses like so the dog ate my lunch show them out or my homework or wherever fuck the biggest thing I don't like about We'll say the frauds of the man is fear is the way that they can take advantage of a weak man Wounded men wounded men weak men out of divorces out of a divorce out of a breakup that They're easy prey. They're an easy target. They're an easy mark They're ready to give money to somebody that they're expecting help and I think a fraud Okay, let me put it this way When I look at a content creator or somebody who is Who is trying to genuinely help men? I look for a net positive And on these a lot of these fraud guys I see net negative So there doesn't they're they're not only not helping them. They're actually hurting them. You're saying yeah, it's sick It's a loop. It's a trauma loop. I call it. Yeah a trauma loop is Once you get in this loop. We want you in this corner. We want you in this circle When you leave this circle Like I did You're now the bad guys shamed. You got a tax now. You're the bad guy It's almost like they want these little they want to make me these little fat hamsters And then put them on a wheel that makes the money and that that look like patreon and you know So they crap they buy and stuff. It's it really is like it's predatory and it's a scammy and it's scummy And there's you it even gets worse I think sometimes in the typical scammers because then like I was talking with will about the cult of personality We're just kind of like the next level fraud because now it's not just like scumbag lying Now it's like this weird mind control shit like you're saying that's how they get them on this dead loop But maybe that's what the trauma loop does is it builds this up this whole six. It's like some freak saying you're killing your idol Yeah, you know, and I had a freak say I was killing my idol. Yeah, yeah They're saving lives man. Yeah, it's all kind of bad. It's really now I never take away the fact that somebody is saving lives and we've talked about this before I think that word The phrase saving men's lives or I'm saving a man's life What I want to say to man is how about say to a guy you didn't save my life I mean legitimately the guys if you were pulled from a noose or From like my one buddy says the wrist knife. Yeah, that's saving a man's life But if you're out there now Think about the validation you're giving this guy when you say that is it legitimate Maybe change it to you've changed my life. Yeah, you've helped me change my life Yeah, what's wrong with changing lives? Yeah, or you've helped me make a pivot. Yeah, exactly but what happens is I think in the man's fair a lot of these guys in this umbrella is that Both ends of the content creator and the content consumer Live off validation from each other The consumers want the hearts right on YouTube another platforms a little heart and little like and they share a Superchats are the epitome of this, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's a it's a big deal though to a guy that doesn't Know one of his heroes or to get that like but a lot of guys will and it's nothing against the guys A lot of guys will say something to see that I got a like from this guy I got a like from that guy, but it's attention seeking and attention seeking validation It reminds me a lot of like strippers and hookers and shit They like prey on men particularly men who just got out of a breakup They prey on those dudes because they know they can get more money out of them They're in an exploitative position, you know, or a weak but we can position not get more money out of them Now we talk about you always hear feminine energy. There's your feminine energy feminine energy is not Conflict and they're the guy they're all the guys who say it because they're projecting what they actually feel inside Which is their feminine beta male pussy ass fucking losers basically to put it nicely? I Don't like these people they're scum. I'm glad there's men like you around in the man a sphere I think I said this in a newsletter and you know, there's an attendee by the way He read that newsletter I wrote about you and he like personally thanked me for writing it He was he read he was like very specifically about the newsletter. I was like, oh fuck. Thanks, man. I appreciate that It was about you though It was about how guys like you and Socrates are very similar and you're the real base of the man a sphere for a long long time Not the content creators not even guys like me, right? It's men like you who are basically want to mentor because the community helped you in some way Then you want to give back and it's pro bono. It doesn't mean there's not room for commercial operators who are legit receipts They work their ass off their professional whatever right little bias myself or do a run a commercial operation But I also was a very free to the world nature. I want to help the community the guys like you and sock You don't have a commercial enterprise at all. It's hard. You know socrates. I think socrates turned on money Guys can give you money by what buying soap like this is not you have a real job. You're real business you're an entrepreneur and For you though It's it's the the meaning and the value of the men and the community the mentorship that matters and that's awesome This community needs a lot more of that and a lot less of these fat frauds you fuck old fat woman sick of that shit Yeah, no fat woman and all the Ninja Turtles I think a good thing in the man is fair in this umbrella And I say this a lot, you know, I have a small youtube channel. Yeah But I don't give advice A lot of guys when they're in a tough place They get advice and it's a lot of times. It's the wrong advice. Sometimes it can be good But what men need is support. Yeah, not advice. Those are two different supports that can help themselves Rather than this, I'm going to help. I'm going to save you. It's like not man. I'm going to help you You know your channel you remind me, um It's the grassroots manosphere the small channels another guy's like that war room guy I forget his name. I don't even know his name, but his channel is a lot like yours It's got a couple thousand subscribers But he's independent like you he has a real job does real work whatever right But then you spit fucking fire like you on his channel and it doesn't have a hundred thousand subscribers But it doesn't need to it doesn't matter because it's about the issues and the mentorship and all these other And the men themselves it's about the community not you know a patreon and super chats. That's fucking hooker bullshit That's what I was really how I think of it a lot of these frauds I don't even see them as any different than like only fans Girls, you know, it's the same thing. It's this patreon. It's that only fans. Otherwise, it's the same fucking thing Validation seeking the hurt men. It's hurt men. It's the same men, right? You know entertaining between the two it's sick men So i'm glad they got those guys out there like you and socrates and the war room guy You guys are the real heart of the manosphere on a people level I've had a few compliments a compliment to me was when somebody called me I'm building bridges and I like that the reason I like when he said that Is because I've brought different communities together I remember I texted you one night when I said Michael foster and migthow dictionary are on my stream tonight two guys you would never think Would be able to have a great conversation And it was an amazing conversation your channel does do that a lot You're right your bridge builder. I do the same thing as well with the convention. So it's it's a unique it's unique skill Pat Steadman one of my favorite guests On my show good friend dating coach The black pill community I've aligned and found those guys good friends good people looking for truth. That's what the black pill community is about I think the red pill community has been I think I've used this phrase before but bastardized And it's no longer Well, it's it's become the rollo pill. Yeah, so it's whatever rollo says. That's what That's what it is. You tried to hijack that term. Yeah, and it's been hijacked. We called the rollo sphere, you know loser loserville so but you know bringing like pat steadman on and Um, a lot of while calling my black pill brothers loved pat steadman Because he's genuine. He's a dangerous individual. Yeah, he speaks the truth. Yeah, and he's genuine plain and simple That's what men are looking for. Yeah more than ever today. Yeah, so we mean will we were talking earlier about clown world and shit You know, 21 is like opposite. It's anti-clown world. But really it's like the whole world. It's not just clown world It's fake world. Everything's fake fake pandemic fake this fake that fake women fake bullshit fake all this crap, right? But the manosphere is very real and we want it most of it's very annoying. There's there's some douchebags, obviously But there's uh, it's a lot of realness to it. That's what you know, that's what you're focused on I think very intensely and those guys see the black pill guys If people accuse me of being like secret allies at them. I'm like, I don't know Interview them. Tony talks to them. You know, it's not a big deal. They're men looking for truth in the world Like you said, you know, they shouldn't just be thrown out the door because they pick they pick a different color pill Like this is just fucking dumb shit, man. Yeah, I mean the pill philosophy What about Tony? What's about talk to me about Tony pill? How's that? How's Tony pill going? Tony pill is great Yeah, the Tony pill is something that popped up. That's adapting. You got him and I guess some over there Tony pills over there We should get a bottle of Tony pills I think the main thing about the Tony pill is that you've got to be able to adapt adapt to the truth It might not be Something that you're comfortable with but truth is real important Okay, so adapting I think is the first part um Holding yourself accountable Is is very very important. There's three a's to it Accountability is the second part of it. Why don't you just blame women for everything now? We thought easier. I've done that doesn't work Doesn't work brings you down So you adapt You're accountable and what that does Makes you authentic. So there's three a's to that and authenticity As a man as a person is real important. It's important to me You know, we hear that phrase find yourself To me, that's the simplest way to actually find yourself and find your true self as a man Well, I'm gonna wrap this up Tony. I've been going for a little bit over time here I appreciate your time Not only now in the interview but throughout the whole event men everything that you did means a lot to me I appreciate it big time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it I'll see you next year and I'll see you soon. I'm sure too. I know you guys at the beach men. It's been a while Yeah, thanks, Anthony. All right. That's it guys. It's been Tony Johnson and Tony Bruno with the new and improved 21 report See you next time or probably next year. That's our last one. Peace