 I really like to, I don't want to do it, do it for them as much as do it with them and see what he's at and what he's thinking. And if they go get to the bottom of the ground and Shannon, he preached that to me a lot was the turn will happen. If we can go read that stop good and get still quick, well that slows the turn down and allows time, well when a horse panics there and we miss that, then it's just you get the scrambling around, well in that miss deal, if you don't make a big plus of it, especially at this age so that they don't know that panic, they just know back in to the middle, try to send that cow somewhere, walk around that outside that eye here, just create another turn or a pole or something to where he's got to acknowledge something happened. And that's all I look for. Tom Lyons told me that a horse can't learn about a cow until you get up on a cow and if you're off out there just dry working, well they're just off out there dry working. Just forcing a stop, you know, like if that's like when we're loping around, then first time when we're starting them and going to ask him to stop, well and I'm going to say I'm going to stop somewhere here, I'm not going to stop right there, but I'm going to stop somewhere in this vicinity. If I pick one spot, usually it's like, well that's not what I really want, I would just as soon allow them to have time, find their hips and when they get to them hips in the ground, that's when you can just go ahead and pull them in the ground, well then no different when the cow goes and he might acknowledge that, well I'm not going to