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That's what they're giving you because we've won and the Athletic is boss. It's got Paddy on it who's brilliant. It's got Greg O'Keefe who's alright. When Greg comes in, he'll be boss as well. There you go. Let's talk about three points. Winning a game of football, how good does that feel? From a fan perspective, excellent family. Excited to watch a game. You watch it and go, oh, this is now. I found myself really gripped with the game. I really invested in it, wasn't I? So it was exciting. It was actually an exciting game, wasn't it? We just won in a professional performance. It was actually exciting. Isn't it funny when people run round and try that as a fan you feel invested in those players and the manager? Isn't that the thing? Get all your tactics, put them in a box and throw them out the window. If players run round and show a little bit of effort, it doesn't have to make a difference. But also the team selection got everyone excited, I think. I think when people surged up, okay, and you said for the fans by the fans. Can we stop all this nonsense as well? I did put that on Twitter and then it's like, no-one wants to walk out. Why do people have to find faults? He was doing a question mark though, I suppose. No, but why do they have to find faults with every little thing? Why can't you just go? You know what? Fair play. He's made changes and we'll go from there. We'll see what happens. He did what people asked him to do. I mean, he'll say he did it because he wanted to do it. But people wanted to see a well-being essential position. Some people wanted to see Tom Davies in the side. People wanted to see obviously Bernard back in the side. Some people wanted a Charles in the front. A by-product of that was the old walk-up playing on the right. Who else would you have started on the right? Moise Keen, maybe? A Charles would have been on the right in the Moise Keen centre. But at the end of the day though, on the start of the week, the reason that I think he went with Warcott is he does get close to the strike and he does add another element. And he works hard as well with Sadibi being the team. He picked someone experienced in front of him, someone to cover for him. Someone who's been positionally smart in a way for a long time. So he worked in that sense. Sadibi does press high crazily so at times and Warcott slotted him for him, which is exactly what we need. At the end of the day, Theogre has powers back from the monstars and he's raised a blight. He was great. Space Jam reference for you. I mean, it's so unbryd. Well, it is. It's unbryd. Only the second Saturday we won since March. And one of them was against Westam. Since last time we beat Westam. Thanks so much for moments last season against Westam. We pressed them really hard, frenetic. They couldn't get out of their own arth. And they didn't have anything. And they've got weak-minded players and they play weak-minded. They don't play well under pressure. You put them under pressure. The defence don't like being under pressure. They will. And that's what we did and that's why we won the game because we created lots of chances. There was lots of movements off the ball. We pressed them, pressed them, pressed them. When we lost the ball, we jumped into the counter press. Gag impressed them. That's what we did. I think that's why we won the game. I think the front foot is where we need to stay. We don't need to go back to trying to control games. Because we don't create enough chances to win games when we control it. Just play on the front foot. Yeah, it's a bit risky, but let's see how long we can go. And then you adjust if it doesn't work? I mean, he made what was the far changes. What was in force with him? Well, super probably in force with him. No Delfin, no Snyddlin, which was good for our perspective. Well, it was, wasn't it? Because, you know, and obviously Seamus Coleman was suspended. But the key decisions were obviously with the others as the nine, you know, through the middle, and obviously dropping Guilfee Sigarton for Alex Oboe. That was a big decision for him because Sigarton has been someone who he's hung his hat on in terms of getting them goals last season. But he's been poor this season, Guilfee. Let's not, you know, let's not dress it up. And that was the decision that we all would have taken, was to take him out of the team. It doesn't mean that it put him in the bin. He's gone, wasted it. Just because players are out of the team doesn't mean that they're done and that's the end of them. It's about him knuckling down. And applying himself, adapting really, trying to show he's available for different roles. Because if you watch the game, it's between Oboe and Sigarton. It's quite marked. It doesn't move any way off the ball. And how many times did Oboe touch the ball? He had 18 out of 20 passes in the final third. That was the highest number we've had in the final third. It's the second highest number this season of any player in the final third. So it just shows that in between the lines, everything went through him. Davis had someone to pass through consistently, got us up the pitch quickly. He wants to get the ball and run with it. He doesn't want to turn and pass it off and then get in another position. He wants to run with the ball on that. That was the difference because we were always so high. And with Charleston helped with that as well. We did a, they wanted to go back and check. We did a video on with Charleston on that. I think he can play there. I wouldn't play him there, maybe, or every day of the season. But certainly in certain games. We went to a 4-3-3. It certainly did the way there. But I think that they were the differences. They were off the ball. And on the ball, he was better than expected. He was very good. What I liked about the front three was the fluidity of them. The Welsh times went through. They were always in central position and the others had dropped out of the right and stuff. And the midfield almost made it there as well. They were all over it. And I thought, you two were in the grand. You were sort of into the game immediately. But as a fan, you were, because you responded to what you were seeing. I felt the crowd... I didn't respond to what I had to hear. We were always responding to that frenetic that we talked about before. The straightaway commitments. And the fans stand up to that. It's the basis of any football team. It doesn't matter where they play. You see how hard... We've watched Man City. You see how hard they work off the ball. We've watched the other crowd. We watched the best team of all time. Certainly, I think the Barcelona side between 0-8 and 2-12. And how hard they work off the ball and people make them run. That doesn't happen if people aren't working hard. They're not working hard and training. And you watch that on Saturday. And for as many... You take a Wobie. If you isolated Wobie, you could probably find a lot of faults with this game. He lost the ball quite a lot of times. But it's in the higher up the pitch and it's all for the good of... For the good of... You do that further back and you do that when they're getting slow. They'll pinch the ball off you in a narrow way. I think we pressed so much and we pressed high in the way everyone's attitude was. With Charleston up front showed that. The plays in midfield showed that. Theo woke up and showed that. So do you be wanting to get forward? Everyone had their head on this game and it was... The clear objective was forget all about your tactics which of course would be part of the game but the fundamental thing first had to be that everyone had to be on it. Everyone had to be on the same page that beat West Ham and that's ultimately what they did and that's where fans were happy they were happy to respond to that. What's the fundamental principle of evidence isn't it really? It's a basic commitment. Fans have always responded good on some parts people chasing balls down, harrying people making people make mistakes, tackles that's just the fundamental principle of getting the fans into the game. That's what we did. It's a basic of football. What I mean is you can't have anything else without that. Everything else is built on sand then. You can forget about your zone on marking or your three man runs or whatever. Forget about all that. If you don't have that base level that everything's built on of hard work then nothing above it will matter and I think that's where we have to now start again from the bottom and build our way up and you can have all those other things that make a good side that don't come unless you've got that hard work. You can be there, it doesn't work because you'll get undone. You'll get undone at some stage. Those details like tactics stuff they're finer details and sometimes they are the difference between the victory and not the victory. But if you're not committed and you're not competing at the same level and you're not making the other team uncomfortable by your hard work how many times have Manchester City forced teams into errors and you've got the goal and then gone on from Liverpool everything in the 80s where you know, gag impression you just mentioned that you've got a lot of stuff in Germany and brought it over here we used to call it hunting in Pakistan Everton would do it we'd get the ball, press, turn the ball over and then go bang bang bang and win again those great everton sides Joe Royals everton side wasn't great by any stretch but what did they do? them three parkings in April and horn battle, scrap for everything win the ball and then we'd take a chance and then it evolved a bit and then it was built on the thing well that's the thing and then moist you say it on Saturday then park that's the light then park out of a player but evertonian as well but the same with moist's best teams moist's best teams were built on hard work and then you're at the sprinkling of like you just said there no team works as hard well they might do as Manchester City Manchester City have got an unbelievable ability pool they do you've seen all or nothing you'll see how much they work on tactics but they all work ridiculously hard partial owner do Everton were partial owner on the manage without the work and that's why they didn't go well that's the thing and had no way to go with it and that was the example of it that's what we've seen this season as well as commitments inside the pace of tempo we pushed it constantly we couldn't play that like 10 games on the bounce we've been that good but level of tempo West Ham just couldn't live with it and you watch other games this season I know it's different in certain opponents but you're just lollygagging around the field they all set up and go actually we can just have a break and have a drink of water while I pass it around the field we didn't let them have a minute's notice they played the ball, they pressed the man who got the ball and that was it, we won the ball back and we were up field again and Tom Davison and I go with that cos every time they got the ball pop it over, we pop it a bit now and it's also not cos you need the personnel to do it and I think that's where you're going to find the hard of trying to integrate Satan players back into the system cos they just haven't got that lesson and that dynamism that we showed I think it was one of the first times this season where it was I know it was set up as a 4-2-3-1 but for the last page of that game it was a 4-3-3 you're seeing how high woke up press you're seeing how high Bernard press said to be behind them but the 3 in my field you never felt like you ever wanted to go backwards I mean this is the big thing when we talk 2 at the back because we are 2 in midfield we always look at it and think it's a negative thing but if those 2 are popping the ball forward all the time every time Tom Davison got the ball forward I'm going to talk more about when I'm a bit but every time Andre Gordon's got the ball he wants it to go forward because people are actively going forward though your right back is going and not even looking he's continuing all the time Dean's over there and he's got Bernard over there and it helps you to just push on for me that was the most crucial thing you're giving the ball to a Welby and he's breaking the lines with it and suddenly, like you said then you find yourself in higher positions quicker there's one in the first half and it's just a couple of little passes and then Gomez sprayed the ball over to the left hand side Dean before you know it it's only the update then you're saying to the opposition we'll stop us now but about how many times we caught West Ham and all they had was two centre backs and maybe right in front of them because if we caught, we'd let their full backs just go up and then both we were away and they were never in their full backs I think seeing the graphic I think we looked at a tactic show where their full backs position for the entire game was practically 15 yards higher than their centre backs can't do that when you're playing against a team that I've got three up front and they're always going to lose for me, you know You can play as Forge and you play as the Slothback but at the end of the day Dechlin Rice couldn't get near any of them in the field and the problem with them is they're quite weak minded the defence of the certain games with Diop and have Bonnell look really good together and Diop has been linked with Moose on the fan but he's so weak minded at the time he still needs to develop that side of his game where if they are under pressure he's to stand up because they just can't he can't stand up to that pressure We've had a lot of chances If we'd have taken our chances it'd have been done it should have been 6 or 7 it really should have if there's any sort of a negative from the game it's that we're still not taking our chances we should have been 4 or 5 up it should have been easy one of those days The happier thing though about that is the fact that we created a lot more quality chances and we scored two we created two or three and not scored because the boy is more likely to score and that's the difference we haven't created enough chances I think what will come hopefully if you do that every game then there's a patience and you're not snatching the chances and you're going to be a little bit and then maybe and let's be honest we won't have goals this or that there's nothing like that and then you can maybe look at Moose Keane and say well I can introduce him to the team now because I know he's going to get chances because service is there exactly I think what I liked about this is the thing going back to how rigid we've been how frustrated we were recently with that how slow them if they wasn't it seemed like we just had to play this way when I looked at it Saturday and particularly the last 10 minutes they all have done a good job when Moose Keane come on you were looking and going where we could play Moose Keane Rytialyson a Bernard now because Bernard finished again didn't he doesn't often finish 90 minutes for everything and that's how good a game he had and you could have then as a three then and then it doesn't matter because they're all road-tating and then you could have other times where a Wobby's on the wing or a Guilfee's in it if he has to come you know what I mean so it's about using your players correctly I think he used it at the weekend he might have been forced so that was my team I decided midway through the week that was going to be the team because the new Delf was over great it's irrelevant he played that team what was really good about it was we got on West Hampton in the first whistle we didn't allow them any time to settle in the game they had that free kick after about two minutes which when a couple of yards wide other than that they didn't have a chance pell of green he said we didn't create anything it was so one sided it was on through a half time which is why he made the team really well be broke quickly and that engaged the crowd once we started getting a run on them they started to look worried we should have gone 1-0 up before Tom Davis was really that's a big chance he held it didn't he he had a full goal to wait he's a better log keeper there the goal itself again it's come from it's come from good running it's come from Bernard coming in it starts from the two centre backs pick for Tremina he's breaking the line it's just everyone's bottom everyone's forward nice ball from Bernard coming inside making that run from left left into the centre from outer in they're left their right back doesn't seem coming inside you look think the chance is gone why didn't he take your first time everyone's gone with that he's got a little bit of luck he should be looking himself he should be under the keeper at first I thought when you see it again it's a great finish one of the fellas behind me when he dropped it he came to me and said go go lad that was the collective it was a great goal but it was a great run and we did on the track we showed how many people were trying to fly on the track this is like something you wake on and say walk on comes off the wing but the defender can't go with them because there's two running past them on the outside that's a positional play the right back's got to think about D run up to the side that's the things you need to do more often can you pin that on the manager because say for argument say it's ritualising in that position on the right or shame it hasn't maybe gone into that area that selection of players if they don't fit your system you shouldn't select them and that's the problem is maybe I'm not going to defend Marco much but I think maybe that he hasn't sort of seen the modes from the trees in the sense that his style is predicated on pace and pressing and movement and he's picking players that don't have any of that again like you just said there it's benard, benard doesn't mean playing games so the benard's coming from out to in he's reacting maybe to ritualising's movements well that's different from Don's movement Don might be starting to get ritualising on the move Wolcott coming inside and playing the pass should there be a world being trying to go on me because you know he wants the ball to his feet well he doesn't probably really but the way we play and he wants the ball to his feet back to go you don't have to worry about runners playing well but when you've got Charleston on the shoulder the defenders have to worry about him they don't look at a place or a custom you face with a different proposition it's what Mant City's at a guero doesn't want to fit into him and is back to go most times he wants to be the slide look at Mant City that we can look at their second goal look at the way they do the same thing a midfielder like Silver's and many times we've seen that moving through the spaces we don't see that enough and this goal is the first time when you look at that chef wedge when you look at that goal that's what we want to see more often you bake it down to the simplest form when you play football if the defence are outnumbered they don't know where to pickle and that's the thing and if you've got a clever player on the ball who just looks to find the space he's not looking for Bernard he's looking to play it into the space it's just that Bernard takes the chance and that's what you've got to do we don't do that enough when Sigurdtson plays he doesn't do that enough he's always looking to get it to fit into a run it sometimes you've just got to play it into the space and hope someone's made a run and if he haven't you've sort of done your job and maybe there's times when people look at Sigurdtson and say he does do that though so maybe there is a case for that at times but it just happens that in this game Wolcott was on the ball and he just plays that ball into the space and Bernard makes a good run but I say again if you've got outnumbering the defence because you're taking the chance because you've got runners because if that ball gets stopped there I'm confident that with the players on the pitch we would have got enough men back because you knew the full backs of our own and that's smart you're saying outnumbering but it's also 1v1s like when we play against that because the midfield sits on the half way line we're always mismatched but when you commit players full backs then you've got those 1v1s and if Wolcott breaks off his man then the defence collapses you have a spare man and it's funny because I remember when we spoke after the Wofford game and we said the same thing we said you know if you want to score goals you might leave the backdoor open a little but if you want to score goals you've got to commit players you've got to take chances to win games of football and we did that in this game but it was a good goal but obviously Theo Wolcott set that up let's just have a look at his numbers for the game you don't have to breathe in you can just speak them out 44 touches 1 assist 7 shots from Wolcott in this game there's only one on saga we put that lovely ball over on the diagonal it was blocked Wolcott was obviously the one he had the one early on didn't he Luke of Deane takes a quick free kick he pulls it down it gets blocked by a banner goes for the corner but he looked lively then you could see he looked sharp it's the one that hits the bars just so it's a tremendous strike there's no way he's finished he was finished that's why I made a couple of jokes about it because I was thinking who is this player but isn't that the point though isn't he a player see I'm still not convinced he should be playing on the right I think he should be playing on the left he plays anyway because I think that's the way he's always wants to shoot on his right foot but playing in a 4-3-3 is more of a natural he is a wide striker he's not a winger he's always been a wide striker he's a hero he models his game on him he did he wanted the number 14 shape he wants to make the same runs he's not a winger he's that classic player if you're giving the ball on the halfway line he hasn't got the ability or doesn't know what to do once he hits that base the pace you've seen that in times in this game he is a player that is a wide forward and I think we've seen more than the fact that he had 7 shots shows how high up he was playing in this game I think there was one that was fizzed into someone he took the weight out of it he helped it on that's confidence now it was there in the game he was obviously getting himself into the game that's quite the difference 15 successful passes 12 successful passes in the attacking third two chances created 60% that's the same for everyone if you're trying to break the lines if you're trying to pass into good areas I've got no problem with the ball I don't want to keep a 95% position on the halfway line I don't Tom Davis people criticize him for losing the ball I'd rather lose the ball passing forward trying to break the ball into the penalty area than trying to lose the ball passing slower on the halfway line that's just the matter of fact it's a big thing four ball recovery is again shown three success I think he had 100% tackle right he won 3 out of three three fouls revive on his career it's right that because he was written off we've all gone no no because what does he offer us he offers us something different if we're playing a 4-3-3 he's closer to the goal now okay some of his decision making is not great he's not a perfect player but he's pacey which means he worries he does he's still got he's still got something there and you've seen that on Saturday he was willing to work hard he had a different player behind him which we'll talk about in a little bit that offered something to help this game which wasn't always there and he just you know what he looked like he looked like he enjoyed it he looked like a player who enjoyed playing in that game I think it's the hair I think it's the bang on the head I think he just thinks he is TV on me if you want players to play with movement and pace you come from an arsenal team that was instinctive with the movement and pace so you're adding play, you've got a woby there you've got Bernardi playing Parallel Fonsec and these players you used to play in a fluid system it helps one of the other reasons what helped them is as well is with Charleston because with Charleston sometimes sometimes you're watching everything you forget what a centre forward is supposed to do and with Charleston on Saturday he didn't have too many chances on goal but that wasn't the point point was he never gave those centre backs a minute's peace especially Diop will be having nightmares about him because he just sat in front of Diop and he didn't know what to do I like the fact that he put himself up against him I like the fact that he was in him he can hold the ball up, I've watched him for Brazil he can hold the ball up he was trying to get three kicks off him the decision was poor but he faced him up, knocked it past and left him for dead and then he should have knocked it first time squarely he took another touch he ended up getting a corner he was two on another day could have been penalties he was bumped off the ball twice that if that happens anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul he was actually bumped off the ball a couple of times but his movements allowed that space to run into at times because when you centre forwards it's on the line of the final third instead of on the penalty box you're not going to be able to get it there's no movement because the space has come back that's exactly why it was good he's the proper for me he's the most likely centre forward we don't see the sum of the main people they're like now off the wing he's better if he gets short on his boost it's wasting his time he's a player who's dangerous in front of goal he's not a crosser he's just a player who's in the state he's a willing hard worker it's very noticeable in the last few games off frustrated he's been being literally a right man for you I still think he can play anywhere in those front of the positions but if you're playing in a fourth if you play in the same position as Walkot maybe I wouldn't have them doing as much defensive work as Walkot because I want them forward but if he had that role where he can tuck in but he doesn't mind doing it but don't forget he's still got the most tablet in the first two minutes I know he's stupid but you don't want your centre forward nobody's prepared to work hard he's not being asked to do that but he still did it still pitch listen I think people for some reason want a five fault with this game some people loads loving some people I don't understand why it's this like almost this culture now that we have to pin everyone down we have to drag everyone down to the level he was brilliant he scores our goals he gives everything for the... I don't understand why people wouldn't have him as one of their most favourite players in the seventh side because of what he does and the way he does and you see when we score he's like a fan when we score he loves you but it's got to be in the right areas and recently he hasn't that's about people using them correctly it comes back down to the manager doesn't it I think we said it in other times but I haven't got a lot the manager used them as a centre forward last year and people didn't like it well that's because the problem there is in an expectation of a centre forward we have not really ever had on the shoulder a centre forward we love a centre forward who's called the ball wasn't the main I think the main criticism again though was when he played centre forward was not a criticism in him as such if he was going back to goal he couldn't go back to goal but that's because we weren't playing the ball in the right places Gylffy Sigarton wasn't getting anywhere near him and wasn't giving it in front of him so he was coming back looking for the ball and again that's because of the setup we were playing in was when we were playing the 4-3-3 he was so frustrated and I thought it would have been a perfect illustration of both of the performances we had a break really close to the end and Wulcott had it and he could see him and if Wulcott had to play the first time he was in for a tapping but Wulcott played that extra touch which always frustrates people and that's where he wanted there's not enough of that I think just on the Gylffy Sigarton thing last year when he played up front against Brighton at home we scored that probably one of the best goals of the season off their corner if you remember and then Gylffy does play that little ball inside and the talisman run on and swept it in and that's what you want if Sigarton is playing get it in front of Sigarton it's showing like this because it's into my chest or into my feet or behind Sigarton Moise Keane just isn't quite there yet but he's getting the physicality of it he's starting but that's it because you'll get used to the physicality the way we played that gives me more hope that Moise Keane could come into the side because if you use properly then and fit into that system off you play any of the front three positions and the talisman in that system we'll play them in the week at all but this comes down to the magic the magic knows what plays it's got to play the system that suits your plays but hang on with the man that did his well though he's under pressure I get it he's under pressure but he's also for people like Moise Keane you're trying to find you're trying to get them up to speed so there's different ways now if Richard Charleson's going to be the line leader and Moise Keane's going to be the player don't forget he played there for Verona and don't know why he's left for Verona I'm not saying he's a winger but if you've got three that are fluid even if he's not starting if he's coming on after 65 minutes and replacing Walcott or Bernard and he's up there with Richard Charleson you want that fluidity the best teams are able to move in and out you know they move it around but as long as he's close to goal same with Richard Charleson same with Walcott and Richard Charleson is wide right and asking him to play wide right because neither is uncrossable I know Richard Charleson crossed the one for Domet, Bournemouth but that's the exception rather than the deal it's not a very good cross and I think Sidney helped for Walcott because he wanted to get on he doesn't make the same run I find that Seamus Coleman runs in straight lines all the time with Sidney we've run outside, inside let's leave that discussion for now so I thought it was excellent on Saturday him and Gomez give us again the platform to build on and again this might have been one of those decisions that might have come by accident you know, Delth wasn't a very little snyll and said he had a small injury no, true that is, but Tom come in I'm sure he has I'm sure he is isn't he Tom came in and you know, what was good was he just played 221 games where he was man of the match in Belfordam captain in Belfordam, played in that little hold role that he played on Saturday and you could see you could see that he'd come in off the back of a couple of games and I think that's the point with Tom I think you're never going to get the best out of Tom Davis if you're just dipping him in here or there you can't get the best out of any players because that was the issue with Luchman you come in for like 20 minutes after that's played now same with Tom Davis you need to play him to get the best out of him he's not going to just come in for the gold and play his best game I think I haven't put a thing, I'm saying it was his 50th start now if it wasn't for Ronald Cooman it would have been around this 100th start because this is a lad and we've said this before, this is a lad who was mismanaged this is a lad who when coming to his second season Ronald Cooman's second season should have been one of the first choices on the team sheet forget about all the plays you brought this is a play that should have just been left in the side to develop we were a good enough side we were always going to be around 7th place anyway so you could get away with that I think now Tom, I thought it was a very mature performance I don't know how many times he gave the ball away because I didn't seem to give the ball away at all really one little mark on his game was the booking he got just before our time but actually second half when he came out second half the discipline he showed not to throw in any stupid tackles he just held back and he pressed and allowed other people to nick the ball of those players and I thought that show was a really clever bit of experience that we don't always associate with them and I just thought it was probably one of his most mature performances now the question is will the manager allow that continue? Will he look at next week's game and think I might need to bring back a Delf I might need to bring back a Sniadlin possibly but him and Gomez a really good partnership but it was funny before the game Joe Cole was on a BT and he was like oh this game is going to be one in the midfield and I just think Declan Rice and Mark Noble are going to have more than Gomez and listen Gomez was just magnificent he was absolutely magnificent Gomez put his half speed what was funny about it was I think David Gold had said he was asked about not signing Gomez and he said oh yeah yeah but I'm not really that worried you know because he's only just come back from he's only just come back from he's only just come back from injury so we won't see much of him in this game probably 2 or 3 games he was magnificent but both of them both of them were bleeding but Tom just quiet in a lot of his doubters Tom had the 85% past completion he gave the ball away 6 times well there you go it was all there and he passes in the final third you know if you look at like Snyddon, Snyddon should never get in the final third when he does shouldn't be there but with Tom or with the tempo set in him and Gomez set the tempo as soon as they got it out of the feet quickly none of this mess around in the field I only just realised why it's the beat I think he looks a bit bigger you know I thought this one sucked I thought physically he coped with the game much better and also much more short in his touches you know what he did you know what he goes down and I think 2 minutes and many times he's done in the past this he puts himself in situations where he's saloing 50-50s against players who are much bigger than them I think what he did on Saturday he just pressed and allowed other people like Gomez to come in and take the ball you look at Gomez's size if he really wants it he can beat a lot of people in the Premier League sometimes he's not always on it but a lot of Tom the way he pressed on the second half as I mentioned and just those lovely little face sign pop-offs that he did loads of times the ball would just come to him lovely little pop-off into someone like Gomez or to a Wobby and we're on the front foot again where he's maybe sniding and Delph might take it doing a little run round the corner and then looking for another option where the option was gone then where Tom just kept everything going and I thought it was you know I've seen him two interceptions and only committed two fouls in the game he's intelligent so you know you said about you've always said when you saw him in the under 23s he's so far ahead of players intelligent and I think when you get younger it's hard to use intelligence because it's a physical game and that's what I think he seems to have that extra second on Saturday because he knew where to position himself better maybe he's just matured better he does deserve a run on the team as it says there I think we look at Schneiderlin but I think it's time to give Tom a run on the team to prove either whether he is or he isn't good enough for everyone this is the offensive side of things 13 ball recovery I said before that I showed the tactics of Ghana was average in the 11-12 ball recoveries this 13 two aerials, one one and two interceptions one clearance from one but the thing about it is you're absolutely right in Premier League football sometimes you get the opportunity to play the pass in a split second and you get something from it the minute you hesitate that opportunity has gone into that the amount of time you come and it was back off and it was not here and we were back on the front foot eating every time we know that another one where he created an opportunity for us he's a good player he buys those free kicks first couple of minutes went on a run very very clever knows his game the thing about it is though why don't people want to do well why don't people because some have written them off and don't want to be through there is a lot of that isn't it any player last couple of weeks I've been all doom and gloom there's all been stories coming out about swam a slew of skips there was another one yesterday about Benny Benning massive surprise now he's looking to get off in January because he can't break through we've had other players Joe Williams obviously doing an interview with Paddy in the athletic side there was nothing for me anymore he got mad at the match he was saying there was nothing for him anymore he actually said there was kids there who should be getting played and not buying people now for some of those things everything will be completely in the right of course we want to get bigger and we want to get better and we want to have players in every position but this is a player that and we said this in the last few weeks with the manager said three or four weeks ago he's not a defensive player he's not a number six now on Friday he sort of changed his tone he said well he probably could play in there but he'll probably need someone next to him well that's fair enough he's not going to be like he's not going to be able to sit in front of the back four he's not absolutely right he isn't that kind of player but with someone like Andre Gomez next to him I'm playing in a three you see that he is a all-round midfielder and the only way he's going to grow and I don't know why people don't want this is for him to play week in and week out and I think if this lad played 20-25 games in a row people had completely changed the tune but because you know what because he wears you know green horrible and walks around time with a skateboard on his arm and goes for a coffee on bald sleep I put a deal on Twitter when this is Tom Davis' chance and I didn't know where he was starting on but this is Tom Davis' chance he's got to grab it by the scruff of the neck he's got to, it's only on him now if he's given a chance it's on him to take the chance and I read the comments from people like shit it's too busy messing about on tan playing boards lad, there's people out there messing around in cars no, there's people out there messing around in cars drunk getting up too long though there's people out there this is a lad who's dead down to earth brilliantly grounded lad you know, Evertonian 3-3 why don't we all want this lad to do well why don't we do you know the problem I think with the Evertonians is that they don't look mad at the academy because they're so big duck right the only noose is the Fault it's a woby, you watched a woby on saturday he wasn't perfect but he could play an Arsenal could we still use a player like that Arsenal fans before he came remember people saying to us on the transfer they're like, Arsenal fans say he's terrible they don't see the Fault we don't see people's qualities I've seen loads of Arsenal fans loads, ripping the ass out of Nicholas Pepe going you're a poor man's a woby I've seen a lot of Arsenal fans saying how terrible he was everyone sees the game fair enough but I think that's the fault it won't be for us it's very important but Tom Davis, I want him to be I'll be honest, I want him to be Evans captain because he loves the club he's a good footballer before anyone jumps on it he shouldn't just because he loves the club it's great that he loves the club he's a local lad, he's come through he's very good footballer but he's only ever going to be a mainstay or a captain if he performs at that level you don't give him a free pass I'm not saying play him regardless if he has a run of form or he's poor of course he comes out of the team but he was really good at the weekend he was something we haven't got the manager needs to or people need to stop and I'm talking about jailers to question the manager of press conferences need to stop hitting all of them and going can he play that number six he's a mid-fail player that can play anyway so the manager needs to get that out of the depth as well don't need the defensive mid-fail player don't have you set them up like I was pressing out but the unfortunate thing about this is though and I know people go the managers watch them every day in training the manager has overlooked Tom on day one this season he broke a bam on him because Ben wasn't ready he wasn't ready so he might have thought but he wasn't ready you can say he wasn't ready to play I'm gonna suspect no I'm not because I don't know what we and you have watched Tom in pre-season did he stand out in any game let's be honest people who are bad in pre-season were bad when we started the season we were bad in pre-season we've seen them all pre-season Tom, that's the point though people keep on overlooking Tom because they get these new shiny things it's true though but one of master brands' principles is to build through the academy so if you don't have a manager who trusts the academy it's not that I agree with some of what you're saying but the bam on thing of Palace back in love with Mark how are we I'm just telling you he's made the decision when or at Finch Farm when or at Palace that day who were all huge that's why you match up sometimes if a player is not confident in the fitness that you shouldn't play them no I'm not having a go up in the silver I'm not having a go up in the silver even though I am if a bam on said he was fit enough to be on a bench so you called upon but people keep on overlooking Tom Davies instead of just letting them have a run this is a problem with football everywhere it's that kids keep on getting overlooked the big thing for people keep on getting overlooked because people just want the new shiny sign instead of going we said this on a podcast the other week we said if you're bringing a new sign and great or you're trying to bring a new sign but as that youth player as well ready along the same track so that you can as I said I want Tom to do well I've never said anything about him I want to do well I want him to be in the team on Saturday against Brighton and then it's up to him again no it's up to him he's got to have two good games and then he's got to have three good games and then he's got to have four good games but then there's an awesome element of it he has half a good game you can't just drop them and I think that's the manager's problem it's the problem with the apprenticeship really because they have many patients for mistakes but players only lay in from the mistakes the problem is like we've said loads of times when you what you lose by not being in the Premier League the risk that the manager the pressure that he's under if he takes a risk sorry but if the team was a lot more settled then it would be a lot easier to just bring a player in and bring a player out you've got to create a culture of where in the shape keeping the shape, performing to keep the shape I think you lose players and in my opinion he's better even if you're not playing well and that lad's not performing it's like Guilfee has been left out of the weekend now and we will sort of add his goal in a minute but he's scored at the weekend that to me doesn't mean he's backing the team because he's scored the goal because so what, a woby was excellent for the 75 minutes that's typical Guilfee's ignorance because he doesn't do that he disappears in games comes and you could see straight away he had a little bit of hunger in him he had that volley straight away he was playing right off right off from Charleston as well and straight away you could see his goal, what's great about his goal is as soon as he sends Wilshire, the chaffee he knows what he's going to do the technique takes over there the trainer takes over and he puts it in he's got that yard of space and it's at the end of the score that's what he did though and you know what he wins we needed more energy in midfield we needed it at least he recognises that and he might have been going do you know what, I'd have flourished in there if it was a 4-3-3 and I'm not playing number 10 that's what I'm saying he's probably thinking I got this without me load because if I was playing in that then suddenly I wouldn't be able to get back in the team the first half we could have gone through up to Charleston in the post the great move and again more on the fact that Armingfield is mobile Tom getting into a woby breaking forward the pace a woby playing it through great run by the Charleston in the post we've had a few of them come out for the second half and you're thinking it's 1-0 we should have really been two and we just went straight back the Charleston scored a great goal just after half-time but it's a lovely finish lovely balling by Llywodraeth lovely sweet and bolly into the top corner then we have the meaner goal it's just ridiculous where we all need that goal to settle our names a little bit but it's just nonsense that referee who was absolutely garbage let's be honest all day he was terrible why doesn't he just let that play out and go all to VAR and you know it's going to get checked just have a look for a foul and if he goes like that and go home as foul which he hasn't then the goal doesn't count it's just crap how can you blow a whistle before the plays even began that's crap and it was brilliant but meaner score and would have been a big thing I said this on another scale now isn't that what it mean like a first R set pieces then then all of a sudden yeah he meaner said at the goal now we score but it's been this a lot so he's going to score a bright so we did header a couple in the second half with the power of an ultimate shot he got them on target it was like that one was like it was a great set because like you said there I go back to the one Aston Villa scored a crystal palace it was just why aren't the system we're not going to talk about VAR we'll talk about it more on the primary show but the system is just all over the gaff at the moment there you just let it play out see what happens and then let VAR decide because referees need to just start trusting the system not that it's lying on it but just saying well did I see something on the corner of my eye it's a goal or it isn't a goal but I've seen something on the corner of my eye but I tell you what instead of going upstairs I go over to the big telly I've got over there that no one's used which is just madness and now they've been but when it comes down to me just walk over but he can ask Fred in the box but he's not wrong is he though so you'd rather be right though by check you're not asking you're not asking the fella up in the box you're going for yourself and you're going did I see that right because there's times in life we all go what did I just see and then you go check it yourself it's your judgement you're only checking your own judgement it's not someone else checking your judgement and for that you just let it play on is it a goal, yeah we all said no I thought I'd seen something going on there but I didn't because every single person I mean the BBC didn't show on a matter of day was just the fast for the start probably didn't want to add any controversy to it everyone you've heard has just gone there was no reason to blow his whistle and it was pathetic and then obviously the one that hit the bar from Welco their keepers making great saves well the one we had he was kicking great he didn't show he didn't show he was there that was a great move a lovely little one to Welco plays of course it's the option 8 the other one with Sadibi plays a great ball into a wall pick his corner that's the problem and then you start worrying but then the big moment of the game comes from a refereeing decision Sadibi does brillantly well doesn't even touch it get a boot that'll let you to be booked for a start it was a bad tackle he still had that should have been sent off they get a corner out of it Sadibi's on the floor the ref's gonna leave him there and just allow us to play on with him then we're all 60's and 70's because everyone's all over the place halla get a header on it and if it wasn't for a combination of Gary Mina's boot it took the weight out of it it took the weight out of it it took the weight out of it a combination of that and a great change if they get 1-1 there it's a typical Everton it's not to do with Everton that's none of that to do with Everton because I won't even fault them for the corner because if you're dragging a player up that should be whack post again them only thing though is that it's a deep one and halla wins the header that's all but we are out to shape the chart by the time they hobble back on he took the corner you see that we're not even set halla knocks it down if it's right behind it I think he saves it anyway but it made it even worse because if Mina tries to get a block on and then drag a lan co the little back heel doesn't even get cleared and the crowd the referee's got to be thinking there the crowd with the noise that when we cleared it was amazing but the referee's got to be thinking there Everton didn't have some co-ordinated fan protest on the 83rd minute if I give a corner everyone's ffumin the players are ffumin he should say to the VAR fella for me shall be going do he shall be saying to Tainee that's a foul so the referee this is the stupid thing about VAR I don't want to go into it remember they had the two in Europe they were the spot at that so they chucked them away now you've got VAR why aren't they getting involved in decisions like that I just think he could have said to him that's a foul and Tainee would have gone alright and then do what every referee has done since time began wait for this ball to be made there and just go shh free kick and it's gone because that corner comes in and they equalise our manager could have lost his job on Saturday or Sunday as a result of that who knows like you said there was about 89 minutes left West Ham could have been buoyed and gone on and won the game we could have won the game the way it is but what I mean is our manager could have lost his job there or the pressure could have been cranked up even more for something that is not his fault and not the team's fault you cannot you can't give corners when the lad doesn't even engage the player and then he's welly it's absolutely nonsense it's just pathetic that's where it should work it should be just in his ear go on and put it in your mouth or a free kick the minute it comes in straight blow the whistle but let's talk about this let's talk about J.B.C. obviously Seamus Cymru will be available next week off the island I thought he was brilliant I thought he was brilliant I thought his runs he's mad he's strong powerful he's got pace and all he wants to do is get up to the other end of the pitch he's one of those frustrations he's one of those frustrations he kept on going and got in the box and then went and won the tackle again this for me is a no brainer what Cyddi B give us on Saturday is something we haven't seen it's a player that just wants to keep driving forward whereas I think after time now with Seamus we see it all the time he gets the ball he can't see what he wants to do so he just turns round and then knocks it off and we start again the amount of time Cyddi B just played little one kept on going and also you look at the ball he played to a Woby that wasn't on, no one else seen that everyone's got looking over there he's the only one looking on there that's the key though with Cyddi B is the fact that he is I call him modern fullbacks the fact that the underlap, the overlap you can break teams down with the pass Cyddi B is very much an old style street runner down the line get to the box trying to cut it back he offers different options he always wants the ball he's always running past Walcott so he creates that space then for the ones across it so I just think the fact that he can pass it he's much better across to the ball as well he gives us something added by a mention and added I think with Coleman he breaks down with Coleman he doesn't really have any ideas in the final date unless it is to push the pace and run a people that always doesn't work he's got three defenders he lost the ball he looked a lot more threatening than what Coleman has looked this season just having the ability like you just said to go past people he's given it for the goal the ability to just keep going and trust himself that he can get back as well we didn't see a lot from him defensively thank god because he was dressed so high no but that's not that but that's modern fullbacks there was one though in the first half he just came back he just run back round him that was the issue with Monaco as they found that he did press far too high now in certain games like West Ham because they're scared of being pressed great against better teams you've just got to be tight but I think you will be but that's the angle there's club and there's pep say that to his fullbacks the way he presses this is a Monaco but for Monaco he can't defend the kid doesn't know how to defend but he's brilliant going forward he offers that pass and that creativity that Coleman doesn't quite offer and now Coleman's been great for everything but it's coming to the time and that's saying he's the right person because we may not even say that but we need a right back of his type going forward what I thought it did was it took the reliance off Luca Dean so therefore it made it more threatening when we broke down the left you can't figure Dean Freshman's stop crossing the ball 50 times again we flogged Baines because we weren't getting especially when Seamus was out we weren't getting the shame down the right hand side so what I saw at the weekend people like that but what I saw at the weekend was the ability to be able to go down either wing and that makes it difficult to play against if you're thinking to coming down the left that's why Liverpool and City are great because they're getting that we were built on this that's the best teams are based on having two full backs who get high and cause problems Robinson, Staling's and Ronald Ashley Cole and it was the right back of Chelsea it was the main right back of Chelsea when they played so when you've got them type of players you get high and cause problems space along Kyle Walker so we've seen it from Leicester as well Barcelona, Eric Abattal Angon Danny Alders sorry he makes Danny Alders look like Tony Ibbott or the other way around wouldn't say that, Danny Alders was great going forward no for me, sorry Danny Alders makes him look like you know Danny Alders you play up front and on the corner which he never back I'm more confused than when we started what I was trying to say was Danny Alders he was amazing he just wasn't thinking care about defending not at all right so for us, with him, I think he will but I think just at the moment again going back to battle to get back in Seamus, now the garden has been thrown down don't take the easy way and go I will put him back in cause he knows that you say to Shithabee you say to Shithabee it's in and beans never really had competition I don't think Seamus Coleman played well at all this season I know some people said oh Antiti game he was better but it doesn't mean he was good for me it's better he doesn't shoot the way we are trying to play we are trying to play in a 4-3-3 he doesn't help the system because he can't he doesn't see the wood for the trees and he just turns around and goes back where this lad just wanted to get it forward and then him get forward and then trust the players to get it back to him and that's how we overrun and I just don't think there is any scene for a Wobie and the pass he played in the Sheffield Wednesday game to Crossfield pass that's the difference that's the difference calling it the violin that's where he's going all the time but I think as you're trying to improve your team this is a well cut winner and now he didn't play but he's in the squad part of the squad he's won stuff with Monaco he's been on the verge of big moves before so this is a very very attacking and quality fullback that we've got there now you're right whether he's evidence fullback for the next three years who knows if he continues like he did Saturday and is successful then why wouldn't you buy him for 12 million then again if it might look and go well you know what there's seen this lad and we've got John, well I've watched John Joe last night for Shelcher he was hitting full evidence the chance to go top of the lake and give it to him he got caught John Joe got caught opposition he went one another but anyway that's the decision to make in the summer but right now what I've seen on Saturday was someone who and I've seen this in the three games he's played two cup games someone who gives us different options someone who makes different choices on the book and an athlete now that's all you can do the gauntlet's thrown down to Sheamus can he get back in it's up to him to work hard now and train it because you watch these in training and I know for a fact that Sadeby offers more of what we need than Coleman but it's experience it's too safe and this is the problem I imagine now because you go with the experience safe options and you've just got to not do it sometimes this is what happens listen it's one game in isolation it's the best thing we've had this season it was a good game it was exciting to watch and sometimes these things happen sometimes you have a bad one of form and it forces you into doing things maybe you wanted to do but you didn't feel like you could suspensions happen injuries happen sometimes it makes the choice easy it makes the choice easy but don't make the choice easy by reverting back to tight knit because we all looked at that going well we'll win more games than we'll lose playing like that especially the way that states the Premier League exactly if you put them under pressure they'll fall quite easily obviously you've got to adjust against certain teams play on the front and with confidence if we go into a game next week we create 10 chances we should score 2 if the week after we do the same we play Wofford then if we make 10-15 chances at home you should at least then if you don't you can go we need a new striker but if a charlison is playing and maybe Moise Keane starts getting a chance and people start going and then what happens then is hopefully even though we don't want this to happen if you go go behind and you go we'll make enough chances that we can score goals in this whereas I think the mindset being from players and fans and probably the managers is being we're done here because we just don't make enough chances or when that chance comes we snatch at it I think you'll win and you'll lose games that's the whole nature of football but if you play, if he picks a team and he attacks and you're attacking people will allow you that you can lose a game but you come out and go you know what we play well we created chances we've got to take our chances that's the problem it's when it's negative it's stale and you're losing games people then start questioning everything I think if Everton played the way he did at the weekend in the majority of games this season he will win a lot more because we've got to have said it all season we've got good enough players to get in the top 6 our level of players is better than most teams not Liverpool, Tottenham I think we'll sign his centre back in January as well with your love as well because I think you had that pace next to me on the ball as well he gets us forward well our pateons Mark's oval don't need the thing and the results over and 56% of our pateons went for Gomez from another match there was a couple of options wasn't there and that was my one they were both 9s for me team was good and Davis was good but I've just thought those three for me meaner and Gomez really there what I'd say about this game is just to round it off we're playing West Ham and the Crap no no no no no they finished well above us they're not very good but players players didn't have it's not like every single player played out of the skin in this game they just played the way they should play they played the jigsaw was starting to look the way it should look put together whereas in the last few weeks it took slow and stale because we got too many slow and stale players in the team you freshen up and you put fresher players with a little bit of pace guess what you get pace in your team and you get a bit of freshness in your team so let's keep that going because if we keep that going we should win a few games and we need to start looking up rather than looking anywhere else so this and Guilfysig has come on at the volley great shape by the keeper a score done absolutely well and you know I've said it before I think I've said this to Zach at the time you know we hadn't really scored a bad goal for us and he immediately said and gone what about the one against Chelsea the penalty when it rolled back to him he was tattered and I was like alright that's one but every other goal he scored for us is like a top 15 15 dbd the 90s it would have been up to the next day the best thing about it I've got my criticism it's technique I've never seen anyone that's a shot right where it's like a forward spin because the way it goes doesn't hit it with a lot of power it just rolls over the top of the keeper his goal was like the Leicester goal he knew the minute he left he knew the minute he left his foot where it was going hours and hours of free kick practice ironically he's not got a free kick for it but that is, that's just pure technique Zach assumes the Leicester and he did the same with the Leicester he shifted the man to the Chippie and then put it where he wanted absolutely marvellous when you knew and you know what in some respect and I've said this sometimes we could have won that game 6-0 right and come out of it and the last 25 minutes would have been flat-ish the fact that we were still hanging on a little bit in the 90th minute glad that's three from where I was shot made the limbs in there when it hit the net that is the thing sometimes galvanises you everyone come bouncing out of the stage we haven't changed the corner because results dictate that but it was a fantastic goal he come on at a time when the pace of the game had dropped and he was well up to speed and I think listen the forces way back in but I believe in him and saying last 15 you're going to be our key man now for the next few weeks it should be end of the game though when he scored the goal it reminds me of the man city one where you'll have it scored it was like a relief in a sense it's a relief and he scored because you'll have it scored what's out 10 games at that point but the crowd as well just needed to see us over the line to see us over the line to see us over the line especially when you deserve to win a game by a lot more it does take that pressure out of it and I'll tell you what, what a performance by Mason Hall gets tremendous but we haven't got time to talk about that when one is won an only aerial battle there you go, make sure let us know your thoughts in the comments mwys gwein, you didn't mention it you've done well make sure you leave a thumbs up if you've liked it if you haven't subscribed please do check out and these things that he does on Twitter he doesn't watch any more he stops because he's doing more for us yeah there you go if you haven't subscribed please do join us on Patreon where we have live shows and what we're about to do now and don't forget to check out I'll give it 20 minutes and don't forget to check out that deal with the athletic this week only flash sale 60% off check that in keeps us in although we get sent them thanks for watching, we'll see you later check out the link in the description