 the pleasure of speaking with two of the top critical material experts and rare earth experts in the world, Jack Lipton and Christopher Eccleston. How are you both today? Very well. Thank you for doing this last minute interview with me. I was so surprised by how major media was picking up this story this morning's global mail. China's smearing rare earth miners report alleges and I found the entire theory behind it so preposterous. I thought I would get you both on the telephone and see what you think, see if you agree with me or disagree with me. Who would like to go first? Christopher. I must say I totally agree with you. It is beyond preposterous. It's definitely fake news, dare we say it, because it just doesn't make any sense, mainly because the Chinese structure is enormous and there are a few rare earth companies of consequence out there and while the articles mention Linus, the other two companies that are mentioned in dispatches are frankly below the Chinese radar screen. So I don't think the Chinese would be actually spending any effort trying to sabotage this. And Jack, what are your thoughts? I agree with Christopher that this is beyond preposterous. One thing, Linus is located in a nation, Malaysia, which is one third ethnic Chinese. You can walk from that nation to Singapore, which is 100% ethnic Chinese and it is the easiest thing in the world. You don't need electronics. You take the Chinese window washer at the office of Linus, Malaysia, and he photographs, reads, whatever cuts into the phone line. They could know everything they need to know about Linus. This is silly. And as Christopher said, why hack APIA? Why hack USA rare earths? It doesn't make any sense. My opinion is that the global times, the mouthpiece of the Chinese army will tomorrow have a headline, American imperialist hack Chinese rare earth industry, which I would believe much more than this story. So I have read the stories from multiple outlets, media outlets. And it seems to me that what has happened is this Virginia based mandiant ink, which is basically, it says here founded by former US government security experts have told these companies that they're the victims of social media hacking, which of course I just want to clarify is a specific type of hacking called dragon bridge, which I find to be an equally preposterous media name to claim the Chinese are behind, because I am absolutely certain that if the Chinese were behind a social media attack, they wouldn't give it the name dragon bridge. Christopher, I just have so many additional comments I'd like to make, please jump in and clarify your perspective on this. It's beyond, beyond belief, the whole thing as to why you want anyone would want to hack appy and appy is a Twitter account to walk with it. I don't know whether it's to drive up the price to drive down the price sabotage their social media image, not very high. I don't even know how many followers appy has, but I can't imagine it's in the tens of thousands. It's sort of almost like, you know, whatever the model was, it said she didn't get out of bed for less than 10,000 a day. I don't think the Chinese would get out of bed for less than 10,000 Twitter followers. Certainly, these companies don't qualify. One of them is not even listed. So it's not even a ramp. It's quite surprising. And of course, Jack, would you like to add to this? Yes. You know, they're all three listed, but USA where it's in a roundabout way, you can buy Texas mineral resources shares. And that is, their only asset is the 80% of round top their deposit owned by USA where it's. But you know what this does? If I were a publicist, I would say, you know, this is a great way to emphasize the only ones the Chinese are hacking must be the best ones. This is Dermott's really not true, but this is what I would do if I were a publicist whose company was closing soon, or the police were already at the door or the sheriff or something. This is very poor judgment if it's intended to promote these companies. Okay, that's my opinion. Now, I can tell you, I've had the privilege of speaking with management from Appia Rare Earths and Uranium. And I do believe that they have been broadsided by all of this PR and the questions that they're getting. It says here, additionally, that Mandiant said came from Dragon Bridge blasted out negative commentaries attempting to stir up public contempt. My concern here, Jack, and I'm going to throw this back at you from a geopolitical perspective, is that what this PR campaign has done, because I don't see any factual data to support that this actually has taken place. This alleged campaign is actually doing the opposite. It's stirring up contempt for the Chinese, causing people to have this panic attack that we require a sustainability initiative ASAP. So why are we redirecting this? I know you guys have wanted to talk more about Appia and USA Rare Earths, but I want to throw you under the Linus bus, Jack, because why would the Americans be all focused on the Australian play? Does it have to do with their recent Department of Defense $120 million announcement? Could this be part of the game? And of course, everybody out there, these are all hypothesis. This is just a discussion. No question. In the US, I have never seen such hostility in the rareth industry, which I know quite well, and there's open hostility to the Defense Department, which normally you suck up to and lick, because you're hoping that some of that money will drop off. But in this case, after all this stuff about Buy American, Resure, et cetera, suddenly the award for developing a modern heavy wearer separation, a heavy wearer capable separation system goes to a foreign country, Australia. And so the Americans who are hoping to get this award are quite furious. They really are. This may be involved. And so everybody's on an eight Linus campaign. I mean, I've heard some, and it's amazing to me, as some people may know, I don't think that Linus was particularly the best choice for this project. But I understand that the Defense Department said, who is in the business and making money processing wearers? So you only have one entrance in that context, just one outside of the People's Republic of China. So they said, okay, that's the obvious choice to them it was, but it negated all the anti-Chinese crap going on in the US federal government, which loves to blame China for its own failings. So I think you're right, Tracy, this has to do not with wearers, but with the anti-Chinese bias. And so they're saying, we have opened a path for the Chinese to get into this critical material wearers, whatever those are. And that's probably what's going on here, that that's why they did this. Okay, so they can profit from the anti-Chinese bias. And Linus is a great whipping boy because they're not, they're not going to respond to this. And the Twitter examples that they currently have have been consistent against Linus ever since they opened their Malaysian plant. Christopher, I don't know if you want to add anything to this because I'm just occurred to me, Jack, while you were speaking, the publicist and this brilliant publicist who's riding off the anti-Chinese sentiment has selected an Australian, a Canadian, and an American company. And that shows us who's to benefit. Christopher, any comments on this? I agree. I agree totally with Jack. You don't look at what the front part of the story is. You look at what is behind it. And quite clearly, there's get Linus, get the Chinese, get everyone except whoever the mystery party is that has fanned these flames. But it's been done in such a ham-fisted way. And I think it's blowing up all over them. And the media really need to push back. I mean, you're pushing back here. We're pushing back. But for major news-organists to pick up this story, which is quite obviously space junk, it just shows the low standards of vetting in the major wire organizations. Well, gentlemen, I'd like to thank you both. I'd like to encourage everybody out there in investor intel land to do your due diligence. And, you know, I don't like to support the concept of fake news. But I think there's plenty of evidence in this particular headline story that this didn't actually exist. Anyone want to add anything? Or do you agree with me? I vote fake news on this one. And I want to know. Here's an interesting point. Let's find out who this publicist is because they're dangerous. I think the fact that they didn't go after MP materials is a tell here that this was an anti-Chinese biased attack, so to speak. And I just wonder, I'm going to continue to wonder why they didn't go after MP. And it was mentioned in one article I saw. They said, you know, MP is in bed with Shang-Hui resources of China, yet they weren't mentioned. You know, more to think about, said Bertil Perot as he went for breakfast.