 Big shit, huh, name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique culture. It's your boy, E-C-E-O, and I'm here with the lovely official, Mr. Jamaica. Yeah, my dad walk on. What's going on, babe? We trying to get to it? Yes, sir. So we got some very special guests in the house right now, man. Say, man, we got black cars, Steve-O, and DJ Chodes. What's going on, man? What up, what up? Man, it's good to have y'all, man. I didn't know if I'm gonna make this happen. I said, man, is they coming? I don't know, man. I know how, you know, I know how artist they be busy, man. I had, I don't have a couple of them. It'd be like, man, the show for to be here and it'd just be so close, man. But just glad to have y'all on the show, man. Appreciate it. So, man, I'm looking at, man, you, man. I looked at DJ Chodes, man. I said, man, cause I told you, I didn't even, I had my son back there. I was like, man, you ain't hurt? He's like, we about the same age. I'm like, yeah, man. And then I started looking, man, you got song, you did that thick song. And I was like, man, you know, like that's a dope song. Appreciate it. So what inspired that? Um, the thick record, just quarantine, been in the house, missing the parties. You know what I'm saying? So I, during college, man, I used to do music like that very well. Very well. So it was like so easy to just. You went to a pair of you. Yeah. Yeah. We the ambassadors of the turn up. Man, I heard y'all be part of that like a 12 o'clock in the midday party. It messed my head up. I said, how y'all getting in the school work done? Bone was on here, the robe was on here. I'm like, what kind of schooling is y'all got going on at these HBCUs? My good schooling, man. We learned, you know. Yeah, he had his master's bone, did. Yeah, we learned and we getting to the money, man. I got a degree. I ain't never touched it, but I use it every day. Wow. What degree did you get? A business management. Business management. Yeah, so. Business management is, hey, man, that's still dope. Cause what you doing is managing business right now. Right, I like your business. Say, man, you got to get to it. For sure. Ain't no other way. Say, Toblacar or Steve Rowe. You would think that would help though right now in the career that you're in because in everything that you do, you're not just an artist anymore, you're a businessman. So I always tell people, today you have to be an all-round person. Yeah, and there's a lot of young dudes that's coming on this show that didn't get that education. And I can tell by talking to them, they still trying to figure it out. But when I look at your move and I see how you doing business, how you basically, you produce music and you pretty much, you rap. So, hey, that's a win-win. You ain't got to cut, split and divide and all that other good stuff, right? Yeah, I try to tell people all the time though, like a degree ain't always so heavy about the schooling. The trick is, you got certain people that never went to school, that was just born with sense, you feel me? I'm one of them, Steve Rowe, one of them. And then you got some people who never had sense. So they need school. School is a great place to learn how to socially interact. Like when I went, I already knew how to talk, but it just helped me enhance my communication skills. You know, it's not everybody can walk up to 10,000 people and say, hit go my CD or hit go my brand or look at these search, man. You might like everybody. You know, it's a lot of people with businesses who's scared to tell somebody. I kill them every day. It's that confidence. You know, everybody is born with that confidence. Not everybody can be a salesman. For sure. And that's really what you do. You have to sell yourself every day in any career that you're in, but people don't realize that. Yeah. Man, let me ask you something, man. Black card, Steve Rowe, what's up, man? What's going on, man? Say, man, hey, man, you got a history, man. I got a little history on me. Yeah, man. I seen you did some internship and all kinds of stuff. I was listening and looking. I said, man, they can't really had to go through some things. I love the ones who really get in there, get out there and do it and pretty much would almost do it for free. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I did it for free. I didn't know all most. Yeah, man. I don't know. Like, when you get out there and do something for free, that means you really love what you're doing. For sure. Right? For sure. And with me, I use, I'll do whatever I have to do to get in the door, you know what I'm saying? So I'll get in the door and then show my value after. You know what I'm saying? So that's one of my strategies, you know what I mean? Even like, we spoke about Mr. Lee. You say Mr. Lee. Yeah, you just on there. Spoke well. Spoke highly of him. You know what I'm saying? And I'm from the north side of Houston. Mr. Lee stayed in Sienna Plantations. Okay. So that's a, the drive is about an hour and 10 minutes. You know what I'm saying? Oh, I don't see that Houston traffic and everything. My relationship with Mr. Lee was definitely in the studio, but I was also his driver at a point. So I would wake up every morning and drive an hour to his house so I could drive him around for his errands and then we get in the studio. Wow. That's crazy, man. And you were doing it just because you wanted to be in the mix. For so, for so, for so. That's why a lot of people need to take note of that and take that initiative to, even if it's a ground level job, you know your sites are on the higher level. You know what I mean? But you got to start somewhere. Don't say, well, no, I'm overqualified for that. I'm overqualified for that. This is what I need. You have to get in where you fit in until you can move up and show your worth like what you said. Right, right. And speaking of that, that's how like one thing turns into another like a domino effect. So me working with Mr. Lee doing his drive-in and stuff like that, he was working on a Boss Hog Outlaw CD at the time and Slim Thug brother Rayface was at the studio at Mr. Lee House one day. And Rayface, he looked at me like, man, ain't you from the north side? I said, yeah. And he's like, man, Slim needs somebody to come record him tomorrow. Can you go to Slim House and record him real quick? And it's just like relationships just kind of keep building and doors opening because of one step. You know what I mean? Man, I tell you, when A.I. and G ass holding goals on here, he said, man, if it wasn't for Steve O, I wouldn't even be in this. He really, he another one that shouted you out. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we got a crazy story. Like I pulled up on him. So my partner from Dallas, Shymor, I don't know if you know Shymor. I don't know Shymor. You need to get Shymor on here. I probably, I'll have to look him up. Yeah, so Shymor called me. It was like, man, it's a dude in Houston. I don't want to sign them. Wow. You know what I'm saying? I say, cool. Get the paperwork ready. I'm gonna head over there right now. And I went over there, went to his house, asshole, lights was off. He said, man, my lights just got cut off. He signed the paperwork in the door. Wow. Man, that boy, that dope, too, though, man. Say, man, you in the mix and out the way for real? Yes, sir. That's the lifestyle. That's it, that's it. Amen. Without that in God, I might not be here. Boy, what you talking about, man? Me, I could tell a story after story, but I'm gonna let y'all interview today. The funny thing with all that reminds me of is the saying, a closed mouth doesn't get fed. That's really what it all reminds me of, because if you don't speak up and let somebody know exactly what you want in this life, you'll get left behind. You're right. How did you, DJ Chou's come up with that feature with Young, is it Poodle? The one with the tipping, is the tipping remix. Man, they sent me the record. I just, you killed it. Yeah. You shot at your people out and everything. I heard it. Yeah, that's what I do. Yeah, I like that. When everybody handle the business correctly, I'm gonna deliver a good verse and I'm gonna do my part. You know, years ago it was like people saying, like, you know, the older guys didn't really, you know, you know, rock with the younger guys. So when I see stuff like, you know, Slim or, you know, any of those guys, Zero or any of them, are you younger, but you just, you produce. And I know you evidently with AI and G, he actually look younger, but a little older, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But just the bridge and the gaps, man, that's something that I look at Texas cause that's why I love PMC. Cause I felt like, you know, he represented the whole thing. You know what I'm saying? For some reason, when it would look like he, you know, things was, they would shoot shots, whether it be from any other coast or whatever and things have changed a lot since then, it seemed like he was stepping up for us all. So when I see y'all, you guys pretty much led the way y'all had to hold the, y'all really still should have it the way y'all come through. You know what I'm saying? Houston killed it back in it. During that time, that era that that tipping song came out and all that stuff was happening, man. That stuff was crazy, man. But we got, we got most stuff going on. We got, we got more current stuff going on too. Oh, y'all. Even with shows. Time platinum according to what they, I'm reading it right, I'm trying. Cause I was in here, you know, tripping off Mr. Lee. Nah, we 10 times now. Is it 10 now? I'm diamond. Diamond. Diamond boys. Man, I, I, I not, and I knew, you know, like I said, I seen you with the song with Gucci. I was like, this dude, they're working. You know what I'm saying? This ain't nothing, this is that now, you know what I'm saying? This that here and now. So how is it, you know, far as being from, you from Houston, looking back at what was and what is now, how, how do you feel like the music is doing? Well, first and foremost, we had to force it. Like, I'm not going to sit here and act like back in the day, acquiring a feature was the easiest thing to do. Like, I mean, it was people I reached out to try to pay, they wouldn't even take the money just because of the music we was making. We wasn't making, I Didn't Can't Dine, Pop My Trunk, yeah. Typical Texas. Yeah, the music was different. The music, I was making the same music I'm making now. 10 years ago, but back then, they would look at it like it was just some party music, which it was. It was jumping. But I mean, at the end of the day, I just seen where the world was headed. It was ahead of its time. Right, and I also made the music they make, but you got to understand, like, I'm not them and they're not me. So they can't make my music, I can't make theirs. You feel me? I love the pocket I'm in, I try to stand my lane. But back then, I had to force my way into being seen and respected, you know what I'm saying? So I salute all of them though because when they saw it, they reached out. But I mean, nothing was given. I had to earn everything I had. I remember I was at the clubs chasing every rapper down, man, can you listen, can you listen? You know what I'm saying? And then finally, I think everywhere I go was my turning point, I had a record car, everywhere I go, I was in Houston. And that record made them, it was most street, that was the record that made them say, you know what, okay, I see you gonna, you gonna keep going until we see you. And that's what it was. And now that's where I'm at. Like, now I hear my name a lot with the legends and I just be like, damn, I would've never got to see this date, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you always had your style, unique style? Did you change it up? Because sometimes when people start out, they start by mimicking somebody else, the person that they look up to, till they're like, okay, I need to find me. I need to find who I am in this music industry and make myself unique to stand apart from everybody else. So I'm trying to figure out from the time that you first decided that you wanted to do this till now, how old were you or how far in between of you starting that, did that happen? I started rapping when I was like 15, but my problem is I'd never had a style. Like anybody that really know me know I can, I'm a comedian, I can do whatever. Like I can go in the studio and deliver anything. It just depends on what I feel like is gonna make me some bread, you feel me? So, and then you got days where it depend on what I feel like saying. Like one day I might just be doing the song because I want to. And then when you get a record like thick, I'm up and doing it because I want to, but I also know it's a smash, you know what I'm saying? So I just feel like if the world knew like even some of the songs that I produced and wrote, them songs sound nothing like thick, nothing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? That just go to show you. Well, I think the other, the one you just featured on with the poodle, that sound different as well. Like you're saying it's just a different type song. But I mean, if we get to talk about just. The records. You'll flip out. Yeah, I produce for like Megan's style. Yeah, yeah. And them records, they don't sound like my records. They sound like Megan records. Yeah, yeah. It's shit like that, that I think I've always been put in the box, but it's like it don't exist for me. No, I get it, man. When you gifted, man. Oh, sorry, go ahead. No, when you gifted, God, man, he make everything happen. And can't nobody really do what you do. And that's what's so unique about us. People like you guys, you know, Steve Oh, he's not, he's not you and you not him. And, you know, that's the way it be. And other other producers, you know what I'm saying? That's what make it, you know, really make the game like it is to where, where people enjoy it so much. You know what I'm saying? Like you come, you and beat King and more, you know, that era right there, you know, even him, he's scaling right now. So it's just, it's really, it's a young man game to me. I ain't gonna lie to you. I get out the way. I just made a post on Instagram. It's about consistency. You know what I'm saying? That's it. So even when you look at Houston in the city, when you look at who's being the most consistent is him and beat King, the most consistent over the years. You know what I'm saying? And that's facts, you know what I'm saying? So, you know. That's dope, man, because y'all, you know what I mean? You, did y'all come up around, I know Sergeant Jay was on here. He be dealing with beat King a lot too with 1501. But I was just saying y'all came up around the same era and you worked together a lot? Yeah, I actually broke beat King first song called Chris. He was, man, I was at PV. So I always got people music first, you feel me? So, yeah. But I mean, beat King, everybody, like, especially with him, we just ain't give up. We'd have been told no a million times. You feel me? Even, shit, Steve, oh no, man, this is, I mean, everybody there, every hustler than heard know a million times. And that's like, whew. It makes you stronger, it makes you too pushin'. Man, you gotta take them nose with a grain of salt. Man, they make you, they make you ready, man. To be honest with you, I get, when somebody don't show or something don't happen for us, she know how I am, like, we gotta do better. You know what I'm talkin' about? I'm a hustler, so I don't know how to, I don't know how to fall back. I don't know how to do that, man. See, my thing is that there's a reason for everything. You just have to look at that, what is in front of you and figure out, okay, what is the reason for this? Yeah, yeah, so let me ask you this. How is it, you know, you learned the algorithm on how to make hits in the midst of this whole, I call it oversaturated market. It ain't like it used to be, everybody making a song in a room, in a closet, in a studio, everywhere you look. There's music being pushed out and it gets pretty much to a point where every time you do it, I mean, the consumer will be like, crack it, they want another one real quick, real quick. They want another hit. They want another hit. And something very similar to the one that you did because they love that style that you did. But most artists, what I'm realizing, they like to switch it up. Yeah, yeah. And then for, I know you can't satisfy everybody, but for that fan who just loved what you just did and then you switch it in a different style, they're like, man, what happened to that one? Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? But sometimes you gotta do things to get to expand your fan base, you know what I'm saying? And not to stay on the same ones because you want to get bigger, you know what I'm saying? When I started looking and researching you, I was basically like, he's like DJ Khaled, he's doing projects and everything. I'm like, this dude, you know what I mean? That's dope, man, you know? That's definitely was the goal, you know what I'm saying? I tell everybody that, you know, DJ Khaled, he does what he does. And I never understood what he did till I got into the studio with him. Once I got in the studio with him, it changed my outlook on him, you know what I'm saying? But I tell people all the time before there was DJ Khaled, it was Kirk Franklin. Exactly. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was doing the same type feel. And I didn't think of that either because it's another different type of music, but it's the same thing. Right, right, right. Yeah, so how did you and Gucci end up clapping on your song? Man, I was coming off a thick, I think Gucci had heard of me, you know? So we just did business, you know? Okay. He ended up being solid, cool, one of the easiest people to work with. So it was a vibe. Did you already have that song? You were done, you already had it? Yeah, I already had it. A lot of my music like, you know, it's just coming out. Okay. But the beauty of my music is you was talking about the pandemic. I don't know, you was talking about the over-saturation. Yeah, that's what I was asking about. So the trick to this is, when I listen to music, I always listen to what's going on. Okay. And then I either try to go left if whether it's totally left or either I try to just piss from feeling into what's already there that's substance-less. I hear a lot of music that got great beats. Yeah. The artist big, so it worked. Okay. But for the indie, most of the indies try to go do the same thing that somebody huge is doing that works for them. And they not understanding like he big, so he ain't really got to say much. But when you come in with these records that actually got some substance, that's how you really get in the game. So every artist that I broke as a producer early in from NBA Young Boy to Fred O'Bang to everybody, it's just trying to make sure when I'm in the studio and we working, I'm just trying to make sure. And I know the person that's ahead of you right now is making this type of sound. It's okay. They ain't really saying much. Let me give you something to say. Let me or not give you something to say. Let me help you in them ranges of let's try to come together and make the song that everybody in the world gonna be like, I can't relate to this. Yeah. You know, like when I'm in the studio, I ask people questions about their life. I'm trying to get to know you like a real, we don't know our first conversation. I want to know what is it that's bothering you right now? Because every... And I think really, I think that's the only way to be a true producer. You know what I'm saying? It's the ex question. So you can know the direction. You can know how they feeling at the time. Et cetera, et cetera. And that's like, like he said, he does that. I do that also, like when I was working on my project, you know what I'm saying? Before I played any music for anybody or told anybody what kind of song I wanted to do, I talked to him about the subject without them knowing that I'm about to have them. Mr. Lee said the same thing. Not only Mr. Lee, somebody else said that too. All the producers do that same thing. I come up under Lee. Oh yeah, because that's the same thing. He was alluding to the same thing. KLC, I think says that too. He said he said that too. He goes into the room and he vibes off of your emotion, how you feel. And then that's how he makes magic with whoever is in there. Yeah, yeah. Everybody's got a different way of doing things, but it all boils down to that backstory. Even in what we're doing here, you know what I'm saying? We know we press for time, but usually most of the time we dealing with the people, we have to get into the backstory. Yes, I'm not gonna even be able to job with it. You know what I mean? It gotta be something there. And really, that's what we tugging at right now. When you start thinking about it, we just talking, you know what I'm saying? But we're trying to say, okay, the mastermind concept becomes a thing once you start getting around the round table. You know that, you know what I mean? So that's dope. Just like I'd like to know, how did you get your name, DJ Chose? I felt like I was chosen to do this. I remember like my mom used to, before she passed away, she used to like, when I was real young, she would be, she wanted me to do gospel. Like she would be like, man, I'll let rap. You need to do gospel. And I told my mama to her face. I was like, mama, I feel like God chose me to like talk to the world. Like it ain't gonna be nobody in a couple years that's gonna be seeing positive things. So right now, this is my building block on getting the world to love me. But in a minute, when the time right, I'm gonna be making feel good records that actually steal cool. Like it's hard. Like right now you either got this or you got that. But you ain't got nobody in the middle. I remember when Kanye used to make records that was through the wire to me as a child was like, oh shit, like, no matter how much the gangsters was this and the good people just kinda landed. Kanye was good at all that. He was like all falls down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody fell down, everybody got it. And that's the thing I can't understand because coming into any industry that you're going in right now, especially entertainment, podcasts, whatever, is like in order for you to get a massive crowd or a massive following, it's like people feel like you have to always start off negatively. Because negativity sells. It's like if you come in, you have a good heart, you wanna help people, you wanna say everything positive, it's like nobody wants to look at that. Well, see, that was my thing. And I told my mom, I was like, even when you read the Bible, you feel me, you'll understand it's a lot of people that will sacrifices. So I told my mom, I was like, I feel like God got me as a sacrifice. My mom know how to rap. I'm learning how to make beats. I'm gonna play the game. And then when it's time, I'm gonna tell them the truth. Like that's what we're missing. Everybody talking about some stuff that ain't really daily life. But it's becoming that because that's how we listen to them. No, man, I'm here for a reason, man. I'm with people where they at. That's what this whole show is about. That's just like building your platform up for what you truly gotta say. That's like, you could almost think of it as, like we was just talking about Kanye. Look what Kanye did in the heat when gospel. He built the platform, got the listeners. I got a girl doing that right now. Now listen to what I gotta say. Let's go. And that's what a lot of people say that they have to, but I'm like, why do you have to do it that way? Well, because you gotta understand in this industry right now, it's like they pushing. The biggest artists are the ones that are promoting the money, things and shit. That's why when people ask me about me, it's like, can I make that music, yeah? Do I make it? No, I just give it away. You see what I mean? I'm gonna give it away, even the stuff I give away. Got some gems in it. It ain't gonna be demonic. It's gonna be the beat that sound like, oh, you supposed to be like this, but it's gonna hit you in the soul. Like everything that I down there produce this year had some substance and it had some feeling that it got a, I like to call it a payoff. You know what I'm saying? Like I feel like most music right now, it don't got no payoff. You just, it's like, me and Steve-O like to call it, it's like Dairy Queen, but we like soulful. So when we in the studio, no matter how much music we making, we trying to lay some soulful. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I get it. How, what do you think music will be in the next 10, 15 years? And the reason why I'm asking that question because yes, you always had people talking about bad stuff and you always had some people talking about good stuff, but then you have things that I've never seen happen before. Maybe I'm just not watching certain genre of music, but what's that guy that come out with that new video with all the demonic, you know, stuff and all that? Lil Nas, Lil Nas. Stuff like that I've never seen before, you know? And to me, it's becoming a thing where is that gonna be a trend going forward that other people are gonna start going- I don't think that's gonna be a trend going forward at all because even the most gangsta is people ain't getting down with that, you know what I'm saying? When we did have a little bit of that in rock and roll, I seen that in the Metallica. Yeah, but when the most gangsta people ain't getting down with it, it's not gonna work. But certain things have been more and more accepted on, even on TV, watching TV and you see certain things on TV now that you never used to see back how many years ago, it's getting, so I'm like, is it gonna go over into the music industry? Nah, I think it's full cycle. I feel like the real hour is gonna prevail. So as you watching this, just remember, like I like to stay neutral, cause not really neutral, but I like to stay where I was at. You know what I'm saying? If I started like this- You gotta start how you finish. You gotta start how you finish. So when you watching all of this, remember that I told y'all, you know what I'm saying? It's full circle. Because what happens is when rap gets too overbearing, pop music comes back, or R&B comes back. So when these times hit- You're so right. We gonna look back and we gonna remember all these rappers that was boom, boom, shoot them up, bang them up, and then we gonna remember these rappers who was whatever, cause I can't really say that, they demonic, and then we gonna remember Drake. And when Drake dropped, a lot of shit always changed. That's it. That's it. Balance is the album. The culture, yeah. Let me ask you, how did you guys two, how did y'all meet? Come together. How did we meet? We made a lot of money together earlier. That's it boys, getting that money in each time. Y'all niggas better wake up. Yeah. Niggas gotta work. God put you together, you come up man, it's special man, I done had partners like come a week. Not for sure, for sure. Me working with shows is something that I never thought I would do like as far as just like, cause I got a studio in Houston, you know what I'm saying? So when people come and they always talk about producers and stuff, and I knew of shows, but I didn't know them like, you know what I'm saying? But I always tell it like, no, as far as a formula to how to make a song, like whoever needs to go, you need to go get with shows. Yeah, you need to go get the formula, you know what I'm saying? So like, that's what I always say. So me being here with him in the position that we in now, it's like one of them things where you look at it and be like, damn, how the hell did that happen? And it just happened organically, you know what I'm saying? We definitely have mutual people in common and stuff, but you know, it just kind of happened. On the outside looking in, you think, oh they from Houston, they know each other. I'm just telling you, that's how we be, I come down there. And you can see the chemistry, you can see the chemistry. You can tell y'all get to it. I love to, I brag about Atlanta a lot, but I also like Houston as well, because they have a way of spinning things into y'all gonna look at us, you know what I'm saying? And it took some hard work, it took some grinding. Dallas, it kind of be spread out sporadic, you know what I mean? And like I said, you guys started off so early and just building, and now I feel good about even, I love music, bro. That's why I can get into anybody's music. I go down a rabbit hole, I look at yours, I'll be like, oh yeah, okay. I'm gonna listen to it and hear it and see what sound you're coming with. So you, I mean, so how, you engineer. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna- And you produce. He do a lot, but I- You make beats too? No, I don't make beats, bro. I didn't think so. But I produce. Yeah. Yeah, that's the, yeah, I heard that. Yeah, I heard you say that. Explain that. So that's just the difference is like, so I'm gonna engineer by trade, right? And when I came up, the people that I came up under as far as engineering, it was under a system of you record the people and you tell them you know, if they ask you, hey, what you think about that? You just tell them, if that's how you like it, then it's cool, you know what I'm saying? But that was just to get the money. That had nothing to do with the betterment of the song or that person's overall career. You see what I'm saying? So when I stepped out on my own, I realized that people wanted me to tell them what I thought. So when I started giving my feedback now, you shouldn't do that. You a little offbeat on here. You should change that line. That's when I became the producer, not as far as making beats, but as far as the records, you know what I mean? And then later on in life, that's when I started actually putting records together myself, getting producers from beats from producers and then getting in the studio with different artists and hand picking them and saying, I want you on this record, I want you on this record, or I'm taking you off of this record, you know what I'm saying? Because I'm not one of them people, I'm not gonna leave you on my song just because you got on the song. If you don't fit the song, you get enough. If you whack, you get enough. If anything was off, I'm gonna take you off. You know what I'm saying? That's a good thing, because you definitely, you got people in there that's supposed to be giving it hard to what they're doing, and you have to have an ear to do that too. Right. And you have to be a delegator and you have to be one that know how to deal with people. I'm micromanaged. You see what I'm saying? That's my blessing there, my problem. You need to decide. But don't you do the same thing in some ways? Like you help them to, like I heard Kanye say that, well, I heard Jamie Foxx say that Kanye told him to say it a certain way and don't say it like that. That's kind of what you do when you making the beats and all that, right? Right, right, right. You gonna tell a person what he lacking at. Right, see, my problem is, what's the problem is I, Steve will know like I'm a perfectionist, so if I feel any insecurities, I'm gonna come to the studio with it. I'm gonna show up with the song already ready and say, this how it should sound, change what you want, but here's the, here's the sauce right here, you know? Give it to him all the way. At least you give it them that option so they can hear it, because not everybody is, I would say visual, but you know. A lot of people change it if it don't work, it's like it ain't on me, but majority I don't miss much, you know? Now I'm gonna ask you a question. Have you ever missed out on an artist that came through you and know you're gonna say, yeah, cause I don't deal with a lot of people, where you had the opportunity to work with them and you didn't and they blew up after that? That's probably more of a question for you. Who blew up and I didn't really get to, really, really get to go, go for real on them? I'm trying to think, it's been a lot, a lot. I was about to say that many. It's been a lot. Yeah, cause you deal with a lot of people. I think, I ain't gonna say, I'll say this, cause I can't really speak on that, cause I don't, I can't remember none, cause I don't, like I like to say it wouldn't work, it was cause of reason. But I will say, I got a lot of hits with people that I wish I had more hits with. Like, I might've did a first song and it's like, man, why didn't get 10 on that album? Like, I, you know, I'm the reason we, I made the first beat. Like we, it was supposed to be a team, it was supposed to be some team effort. I ain't want to be your friend, man. I just want to get some money. It's awesome, man, you need awesome. And it's a lot of them, and I'm not talking about like B's and C's, I'm talking about A plus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like they, you know, they up there with them and it's like, I just never understood, like cause I ain't one of them people. Like if, if, if, if me and Steve-o, I reason why me and Steve-o got to the point to where it was like, yo, Steve-o, I need you to help me on some of this right here was because Steve-o had brought me so much money from like a no, no, like we ain't got no reason. Even obligated. You just plugging me in here. You ain't got to do it, but you doing it. So he's still behind that black card. Yeah. That part right there. He did his thing without like, without even, at the point, I ain't even tell him I'm gonna give him no money. Like he just like, man, I just hooked this up. I just hooked this up. And at some point it's like, man, I got people in my corner that don't work hard for me. So you ain't even in my corner, you work hard, man. Come over here, let's get some more money. That's the way it goes. Those are the people you have to hold on to. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. And that's how I see music. Like if, if somebody did something for me, I feel like, shit, it's only right that we continue to chase that shit together. Yeah. But it's a lot of people who ain't built like that. And I never understood that. I do the same thing. I, you know how we do it. You know, you meet people and you see opportunity where they can be useful and they don't know that individual or that situation and you bring it together. That's what real leaders do, bro. Like I band up on somebody in a minute just to show them I can make this happen because I wanna, because they got a talent and they can't, they may can't see what I can see in certain things. For sure. And that's how it break off when a leader dealing with it, you know. But it's hurtful when you don't, when you can't find people or you have people who are not the same way to you the way how you are to them. But I look on things where as I got older, I realized that sometimes you have to say to them because sometimes they're not realizing because they weren't raised the same way that you are. They don't have certain morals or certain training the way you do. So sometimes not every case. You right. But sometimes you just have to bring it to their awareness and then, you know, watch and see if they do what they're supposed to do. I think they got a lot to do with discipline. But that's a long story, man. Me and my partners got some shit. We say we don't really be hanging with a lot of people that ain't get disciplined as when they were kids. You know what I'm saying? Like me and my partner, we all got weapons. You know what I'm saying? So we operate a certain way. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, let me ask y'all this top three artists of all time. I got to get it from both of y'all. It's a segment I do. I've been doing it every night. Mr. Lee Dunn. Mr. Lee Dunn, this list don't count. But you can get him first. No, no. Top three, number one. No, I ain't. You got to do it. We can bounce off each other. Everybody, everybody, everybody been on this show. If you bounce off, that's it. Anybody you can think of, man. Three for you, three for you. Three people. It may change. KLC say it might change when he go out the door, right? My, my, my. He had it wrote down when he got here. Definitely, number one. Definitely changes. Number one. Yeah. Oh, man, I'm not. Scarface. You would, you would. No, stop giving him. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I do that. As far as lyrics is, you know, I record all Scarface stuff. I know that. Scarface is definitely, definitely up there. Number one. But you're number one. It doesn't have to be somebody you listen to all the time or whatever. Any genre. So it doesn't have to be rap. It can be male, female. It's a wide range. It could be old school. Any genre? Any genre. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let me tell you, this is the hardest question. I didn't know he was going to do this. Everybody do this. Who in your top three now? Who that? Who you? No, no, no, no, no, no. She wanted to be your top three. See, you sound like you already know. So you should just go ahead and spin it out. Okay. PMC is the. Come on, that's not what I was thinking. Come on, baby. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. He's going to say PMC. Number two. Man, bounce, man. No, no, number two. Number two, man. It's all I love you, man. Yeah, it could change, man. Number two. Number one, all that matter to me. So I ain't tripping. Number two. For sure. I really. I know who three is. Who is three? Come on, go on. Tell him who's three. It better be Champagne, man. Wow, Champagne. Yeah, Drake. Okay. Drake, definitely. Yeah, because he a part of the camp, but. Come on, man. That's too easy to guess. Number two. That's it, just one more. Give me a wild card. Give me somebody wild card. A wild card. So Drake number two. No, Drake three. We're number three. Out of respect for whoever the wild card is. Okay, okay. If I was just a. Number two. Number two. I don't know. I'ma say, if I love this part. It can be somebody from back in the days that your mama used to listen to or something that, you know. Ooh, so you don't see. It can go anywhere, man. You throwin' out. I said any genre. Earth, Wind, and Fire. Woo! That's nice right there. Okay, okay. If we go in that, if we go in that. If we go in that, if we go in that. If you get any genre, any time, Drake. You're gonna go in that. Dead or Alive. Yes, sir. Anybody. That was nice. Yeah, I could do that. I'm a hair nerd when it found there. I listen to, you know, I listen to LTD. I listen to a lot of, you know what I'm sayin'? That's my era. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I should've been born, you know what I'm sayin'? All right, give me yours, man. Give it up. Now for the cheek. No! Now for the cheek. Now for the cheek. I'm talkin' to you got the mornin' and out on my farm. This is the first cheater. Look at that. These ain't shows comin' and cheatin' on us, man. I mean, I got my first two now. I'ma turn me the first two, come on. Well, by the fall, Drake number three. Right. Drake's still number three, yo. I already know who's number one is. Who's number one? I know who's number one. They don't speak on it. I know who's number one. I know who's number one. I know who's number one is. Nah, leave it low, I gotta speak on that one. Who's number one? I know who's number one is. So, Drake number three. Okay. All right, number two, I'ma go off, I'ma go off who I jam heavy in college. Okay. Okay. So, and my number two moves around. So, I can give you really five for number two, but I'ma say big creep. I know he's that, and I know he's number one. I like big creep. And number one greatest of all time. J-Roo. J-Roo, man. J-Roo? J-Roo? Only for the Roo, baby. Come on, man. I'ma rock with you, man. I'ma rock with you, cause I listen at that nigga, man. I know the way that nigga came in. No Tupac, none of that. Nah, we love them. We love them. My number two move around. And I like Tupac, but I'ma say this. Tupac used to let anybody, after he get through rapping, he just put anybody on the song. We're the boys in the studio, you ain't, you ain't, you ain't. You didn't care, you didn't care, man. You write about that. I never thought about that, man. I never thought about that. Say it, man. We love y'all, man. Hold on, I wanna know, how did you get your name? Yeah, that's a good one. The Stevo or the Black Heart? Both. Stevo, my barber, Redge gave it to me. My first name is Stefan. For some reason, he couldn't pronounce it. And he said, I'm just gonna call you Stevo. So every time I walked into the barber shop, it was, what up, Stevo? And that's how that came. Black Heart came out, you ain't gotta tell me. Nah, so Black Heart, before Black Heart, I was North Side, Stevo, coming to North Side, you know what I'm saying? And then I was working with an artist on the, he was from the Southwest side of Houston, you know what I'm saying? But we used to travel a lot. We used to go to New York, Atlanta, everything. We would drop music and I would be able to call people and go pull up on them, had them pull up, no matter if it was DJs, producers or whatever. And he just started saying, man, you got a Black Heart, you got a Black Heart. And then, so one day they were like, man, you got to change North Side, you got to change North Side to something else, you know what I'm saying? You bigger than North Side. And I'm like, man, y'all always say I got the Black Heart, so it was the Black Heart, Stevo. So that's how that happened. I like it, that's a name that you can't forget. Nah, you can't forget that, man. Say, man, I definitely, I'm gonna be watching y'all like I already, you know, I followed you that day. A.I. and G told me, I said, get him on my show, I gotta have him. And then you, man, I got a diamond, man, just drop right on in on me, man. That's why, you know, I missed one last week, I was upset about, but look how God worked. You know what I'm saying? I'll be tripping, man, but I know God got our back on this whole thing, man. Cause we be wanting to meet good people, man, and just talk about the history of the music, man. That's what we're trying to do. Can we use our platform to help people? That's why we always dig into like, all the young kids trying to do music. Your back stories and stuff like that, because people are watching, people are, that's where everybody's right now, YouTube, people not watching TV anymore. So if we can feed them some sort of positivity. Man, y'all doing a great job, and we appreciate the invite. Man, we gonna do it again, man. You know what I'm saying? I'm coming to Houston, I'm setting up, I'm going to Atlanta and set up in a couple of weeks down in the ATL. Man, you gotta get job room. I know I'll be everywhere. You gotta get the greatest. I can touch him. Get the greatest. You're just, I can touch him. Right, we know people, man. Say, man, thank you guys, man. We love y'all, man. Love y'all too, appreciate it. Yeah, Steve Ochoz, man, DJ Choz, man. Thank you guys for coming on the show. Say, man, it's been another great. 101, boss. Yes, sir, man. It's good. Exclusive, bro. And we out.