 the 15 minute wash cycle washers. That sounds familiar. Okay, so I visited some friends a few weeks ago up in Sonoma, they have a new house and we were washing the bed sheets before we left because we were, you know, standing in the guest room. You know, and I'm like, oh, we got, we have like 45 minutes or something. And she was like, no, no, no, it's done. It's all done. Like that was like 10 minutes ago. How, how could that be? How they were like, you know, it's the new like, you know, the power washers. It doesn't take that long anymore. It's crazy. Like, wow, I didn't know. That's great. The washer dryer downstairs are like 45 years old. My, my quick mode on my like front, like I bought it two years ago, it was like 20 minutes, 20, 25 minutes. But that's not 10 minute fast. That's still like, you got a way out of it. I think it was 15, not 10, but it was still, I mean, remarkably faster than what you'd be used to if you were going to do a whole load of laundry. Like you just can't stew laundry and then watch TV for a while. No, you're basically done. Okay. And just, I know we only have two minutes but the whole, I'm a guest. Let me strip the sheets down so you can wash. I think that is, that is a kind thing to offer and do as a guest. Yes. As a host, when someone stays with me, if they start to do that or offer, I'm like, oh no, no, no, don't worry about it. I don't wash all that stuff anyway. Like it's fine. I was staying at a place one time where it wasn't me, but another couple staying at this place. It was friends and relatives situation, not an Airbnb or anything, didn't offer. And the host kind of came down on them. Like, you need to strip your beds. And I was like, Yes, I wouldn't say that. Like, come on. I wouldn't say that. Real quick, what I'm reading, is it open AI or open, like, how do I pronounce it? It's just open AI, okay. Yeah, like a compound, like open AI, like two words. Gotcha, yeah. Yeah, the whole stripping the bed, like if somebody wanted to do that, who was staying with me, I would insist that they don't. Yeah, yeah, I do, I do. I just, it's just, yeah, it's just, But it's nice of them to offer. I appreciate it. I'm not always trying to do that as a guest myself. Right, right. I always put the guests on the couch, so it doesn't matter. Well, I give them a blanket though. Yeah, yeah, here's a blanket. You don't need to, you don't need to strip it down. Right, like here's a paper towel to put over you. He puts a fan on them. You won't be staying with me next time. He's like, what's their wash? They're just on the couch. Yeah, you're like, oh, you're going to what, to cushions? I just put bleach on them, but it's fine. 30 minutes later to come back without things to do. All right, shall we begin some tech news, perhaps? Oh, let's do it. Hey, Lamar, would you mind opening the show with line three? Oh, yes, sir. Here we go. Three, two. Thanks to everyone who supports Daily Tech News show directly. To find out more, head to dailytechnewshow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, August 6th, 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Fila and I'm Sarah Lane. Also in Los Angeles, I'm Lamar Wilson. And not quite, but really close to Los Angeles. Roger Chang, our producer, how are you? I'm good. I am L.A. adjacent. Yeah, you're county, right? You're still county, I think. We're all here. You're still one of the homeboys. That's right. We're behind you, Roger. Don't worry. We've got a lot of interesting news today to talk about some AI, some removals, some rumors, and more. So let's start with a few tech things you should know. Analytics company Mixpanel included Facebook's in-app browsing in its latest data report to see how Facebook's mobile browsing compared to Chrome, Safari, Opera, and other browsers. So on average across all US states, Safari claims 58.06% of all mobile browser market share. Chrome has 32.48% and Facebook has 8.82%. OpenAI 5 took on Dota 2, Semi-Pros again, and the humans finally want to match. The AI played Dota 2 against players ranked in a 99.95% tile in the world. Against former Dota 2 professionals and casters, Merlini, Fog, Cap, and Blitz, OpenAI 5 won the first two games but lost the last one after the humans let the audience pick the team's five heroes. The OpenAI hopes to be the team of top two data, Dota 2, at the international, which starts on August 20th. Ah, crowdsourced to beat the AI. Now we know that was right. Yeah, that was right. Yeah. AMD announced the Ryzen threadripper 2990WX, featuring 32 cores, 64 threads, and a three gigahertz base clock speed that can be boosted to 4.2 gigahertz for $1799. That's $1,799, not $17.99. Shipping August 13th, there was some specs leaked out about it, some internal AMD tests, benchmarks that leaked out about it show notes. It's way more powerful than the equivalent Intel because it's got so many more cores. There's also the Ryzen threadripper 2970WX coming in October with 24 cores and 48 threads for 1,299. Two other Ryzen threadripper CPU releases were also announced, the 16-core, 2950X, and the 12-core, 24 thread, 2920X. That last one is the cheapest second-gen Ryzen threadripper announced so far at 649 bucks. I'll buy it. I'll let you buy me one too. Thanks. Excellent. Let's talk about MoviePass because they haven't stopped making news all week. They won't go away, Tom. What is going on? So MoviePass announced that it will not raise prices after all. Ooh, that sounds great. But its plan will stay at $10 a month, or I should say but here, but starting August 15th, it will have a limits of three movies a month with a $5 discount for movies beyond the first three. Peak pricing and ticket stub verification are also going away. Now MoviePass says 85% of its users see three or fewer movies a month. So obviously I have mixed feelings on this, they changed it yet again. So just to add to this, if you are an annual customer, like I am who just paid right out, you actually still, I mean, you'll be grandfathered in until yours goes away, but you still will have to deal with the peak pricing and ticket stub verification. So this is only for the new customers who are coming in or those who are on monthly, so. Now, if you're on the year plan, you could cancel it and switch to this plan to get rid of that, I think. They won't, if you cancel your plan, you can't join again for nine months. You can't call, you can't contact them and say, hey, shift me to the new plan. Cause from the press release, it sounded like anybody who moves to this new plan, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So I think rather than, I know the canceling thing, they won't let you sign back up to stop from getting the system. But if you said, I don't want to cancel, I just want to move to the new plan. I think they might let you do that. I mean, that would be cool then. I mean, that would be much to deal with. What would the incentive be for them to not let you come over unless you're getting a discount for buying an annual plan rather than a monthly plan? Yeah, that's your, I mean, the thing is you might not want to do that. You might be like, I'll deal with the stub verification stuff as long as I, you know, get the unlimited still. Right. Cause you're giving that up if you move over. But yeah, I don't think that hurts movie pass at all. Yeah. So I had a, you know, like in mixed feelings about this on one hand, I love what they did. They took, you know, VC money and gave it back to the customers, right? And so this was a great riot. At the same time, you know, I don't want to necessarily call it bait and switch. I mean, I don't, maybe they didn't anticipate this happening, but I can see how customers could be angered by this constant every week. There's some kind of change and decrease of service. Even if 85% of people do you watch three movies a month, I'll fall in that camp. It's the idea that you're taking away something that I know I can go unlimited if I wanted to. And I think that's where the uproar is right now. Well, what do you all think about this? Are you even movie pass people? I am not currently to me three movies for $10 a month is what, you know, $3.33 cents per movie. That sounds great. I'm never going to go to more than three movies in a month. In fact, I can't imagine anytime I've even done that so far. I also feel like, well, okay, if I'm paying that $10 and those three movies are discounted and for whatever reason I need the fourth or even more getting a discount, that sounds like a good deal to me. Of course, it depends on how close we are to theaters and what you want to see and what's playing, but this does not sound like a bad deal to me, especially given, you know, all the drama that movie passes been through lately. That's what definitely helps you think too, when you compare Cinemia to movie pass and realize, oh, the limited deal isn't so bad. And with Cinemia, I can do online ticket purchases at any theater and get my Max and 3D. I mean, it's just now it's a much more competitive situation than movie pass was just trying to like, drive everyone else out with the unlimited thing and they just couldn't sustain it. Yeah. And lastly, movie pass won't let you, they still will block new run movies. Like there'll be a limited run of those. Yeah, they were cagey about that. In the press release, they said, some first run movies will be included, which means most of the first run movies will not be included. Exactly. Google has released Android 9 Pie. Oh, Tom, I know this was music years. Android P stands for Pie, everybody, and it's rolling out to Pixel Phones first, which is not a spread. Pie, Pixel Phones. Mm, delicious cherry pie, Pikesles. Pie includes an updated material design look, a new notification panel, a reworked recent app screen and support for gesture controls and devices with notches. Android's digital well-being features now go into beta for Android 9 Pie users. And Google says that devices that were part of the Android Pie beta program, that includes handsets from Sony, Xiaomi, HMD Global, Oppo, Vivo One Plus, Essential, will be qualifying Android One devices and should have the update by the end of autumn. So it's all those brands plus some Android One devices. We'll get it by the end of autumn. If you're not on that list, you should get it by the end of the year, Google says. They did some modularity in Android Oreo that makes it easier to update. So people doing the betas through carriers were noticing that they were getting the updates a lot faster, like the Essential phone beta came a lot faster. So I have a, I mean, I don't use it. I have a Pixel 2 just to have one. And so I'm interested to see when this will drop. Always nice, you know, playing around with the competition and looking at the cool stuff Google has. So I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, it's a big day for the Android community because it was sort of a surprise. Like nobody, usually these things leak out, right? And we've got like weeks and weeks of like it's probably gonna be August 6th. The rumors were all saying probably August 20th, probably end of August. So Google pulled a fast one here. I kind of like to see that where they're like, no, we're just putting it out today. Although it's still the Android world, right? So it doesn't go to all phones at once. It goes to certain phones. Hate to orate in our chat room says his Essential phone just got it. So I'll be leaving the run upstairs since they're my Essential phone, I also got it. But so it may be coming a little faster than people thought, which would be great. I'll check my phone today. Awesome. Apple said Monday it had removed five of six podcasts from Infowars host Alex Jones for violation of hate speech policies. All episodes removed for all five shows. Facebook also removed four of Jones' pages for consistently uploading content in breach of its guidelines. Spotify completely removed the Alex Jones show from its podcast service Monday as well for hateful content. And YouTube suspended the verified Alex Jones channel for violating community guidelines. No company attributed the removal to concerns over fake news. Now, we'll let you think what you want about Alex Jones and Infowars. That's not what we're here to discuss. It is interesting to see all of this happen at once as a result of public pressure. If you didn't realize that there had been public pressure to remove this person's channels and shows specifically for fake news. Everyone's saying he's spreading lies. He's saying things that aren't true. He's fanning the flames of hatred, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. None of these companies want to get into the business of judging truth. Now, you may say, well, it's very obvious what's true and what's not. Yes and no, there are certain things that are on the outlier very clearly. 99% of us all agree that's not true. But it's when it comes to 50-50 that it becomes the issue and these companies don't wanna be involved and you probably don't want them involved because while maybe one day they're removing something you think should be removed, the next day they'll remove something you should, you don't think should be removed and then you've got an issue. So I think that's why all four of these companies worked hard to find a reason, which I don't really like. If they should be removed, they should be removed not because of public pressure, but to find a reason that wasn't based on the verity of the information being passed on. Well, the interesting thing about Apple being the first of the sort of domino effect that happened this morning on Monday with various Alex Jones video and social channels, it was almost as if a lot of the companies were like, okay, Apple did it, okay. Now we'll just sort of piggyback on Apple's explanation that it was a terms issue. Twitter didn't block Alex Infowar's channels from its network though. So you kind of started thinking, okay, well, were these companies talking to each other ahead of time? You know, is Apple taking one for the team here because all of these networks, there's no possible way anybody working in PR departments for these networks were just like, oh, wow, did Apple do something? We should investigate this person, never heard of him before. No, no, these decisions have been in the works for a while. Maybe companies decide to pull the trigger on the announcement a little faster because of Apple, that's certainly possible. But I imagine these announcements were close to happening no matter what. If anything, it was the public swell of pressure from certain elements of the public happened at the same time for all of these companies. So it does show that their internal processes are probably around the same because the timing ended up being close to the same. I don't think, it's easy to point and say, oh no, they just imitated each other and you could say that if you want. That's usually not the way it works. Anybody that's worked inside of a big company knows that you don't see big companies move that fast. They don't just hear about something and turn on a dime to do this sort of thing. Certainly not. They need six weeks of meetings of stakeholders before any of this stuff happens. But even so, even if that was the case, even if Facebook had some internal debate going on in high level talks somewhere, the fact that this all happened within what two hours today is, I don't know how it's telling, but it's telling. It was a little longer than that, yeah, sure, let's call it all in the same morning. I mean, that's pretty close, yeah. Yeah, as far as the announcements go in the actual beginning. Yeah, because I saw the first one trickled in overnight, so early in the morning East Coast here in the US and then the YouTube announcement didn't come until later on in the late morning for us early afternoon for the East Coast. Yeah, I don't have any specific comments on this other than, I agree with what you're saying, this could be a slippery slope, regardless of where you stand on it, on whether a company should judge, how much they should judge something is not okay based on public pressure, if a public doesn't like something. And so I think we're all going through a big learning phase here, and I'm interested to see what comes out of it, because I don't know where this is going. I don't know if the people could just scream loud enough and get anything taken out. Someone doesn't like your podcast anymore because there's another cooler one. Can they scream at YouTube to take it? You know what I'm saying? Like, where does the line get drawn here? I don't have any. There's a whole other discussion to be had about the similarity between this and what happened to James Gunn getting fired at Disney. Both were in response to public pressure. Yeah, absolutely. So Microsoft briefly hosted a page announcing it had joined movies anywhere, yes. This would mean movies from participating studios could be bought on the Microsoft Store and viewed on other platforms and vice versa. Now iTunes, Amazon Prime Video, Google Play, Voodoo and Fendigo now are the current partners and movies from Disney, Sony, 20th Century Fox, Universal and Warner Brothers are included. No word on why Microsoft pulled down the announcement. And yeah, maybe they just weren't ready to, you can have any info on that. Maybe they weren't ready to say it. No, thevergeandtherot.com both reported this this morning with links and screenshots. I mean, Therot still has a screenshot of the Microsoft page saying your movies together at last. Yeah, I saw that. Watch more with Microsoft movies and TV. But when you click through to the Microsoft page that's supposed to tell you about this new deal, it says we're sorry, the page you requested cannot be found. So I mean, we should be sitting here talking about like, oh, movies anywhere starting to expand. It'll be great when some more studios come in too. If I've got an Xbox, now I can watch all my movies anywhere stuff. If I wanna buy something on my Xbox or through the Windows Store, I can still watch it in iTunes. I can still watch it in the Google Play Store. And that hopefully is what's going to happen because they have this announcement prepared. I kind of wanted to say all of that. Yeah, right. I mean, do you use your Xbox to watch movies? Well, yeah. And I stopped because they pulled out of that when it was called Disney anywhere. I know it was more limited then, but the Microsoft pulled out of it. Yeah. And so I don't use it anymore. So, but I use my Xbox to watch almost everything, YouTube, Twitch. And so it's kind of like my media hub besides my Apple TV. So I'm definitely looking forward to this disappointment only in that Lionsgate and Paramount, which I get movies from just for press things they aren't included in this. But hopefully with more people being added, more studios would be added. I think this is a fantastic deal. I mean, you use Fandango. Probably disclosure, you're... Yeah, that's my disclosure Lamar. Let me, yes, my wife works for Rotten Tomatoes and Fandango. So we use Fandango now, of course. Yeah. I love the service. A page being taken down could have been, oh, you know, one of the partners, you know, he hadn't signed on the dotted line with them and we just have to take it away briefly. One would think that if something drastic had changed with this announcement, the rot and certainly the verge and anybody else who has good connections that Microsoft would know. I also wonder, just assuming maybe something was posted prematurely, that sure happens a lot in corporate websites, doesn't it? Yeah, somebody needs to work on their CMS a little bit. Right, yeah, like I know the New York Times, right? So it's obituaries years in advance, you know, for big name folks, but it's like, can't we have some sort of a staging server that's just like one step removed? Takes a couple of clicks before it gets published. Yeah, exactly. All right, moving on, chip maker TSMC, which makes parts for the iPhone, said that 80% of its fabrication tools were affected by a virus last Friday. The company has since restored the tools and expects a full recovery. A mistake during software installation for a new tool led to the virus spreading through TSMC's network. The company advised the breach will delay some shipments and reduce revenue about 3% for the quarter. Pretty sure Apple's chips won't be delayed. You know, it wasn't sure which ones. You better believe they're gonna prioritize the biggest customer they have to make sure those get on in time. There's a lot of Sturman-Drong out there about what this could mean for Apple. I mean, first of all, TSMC really turned this around faster than a lot of people thought when it first started to break. They thought, oh, this could cause some serious problems. 3% revenue impact is not small in a company this size, but the fact that they are back to production on Monday is good when you have the CEO of your company as the former supply chain expert and Tim Cook, you have a lot of practices that are employed to make sure that these sorts of things don't impact your shipping. So I'm with you, Lamar. My guess is either through TSMC prioritizing their biggest customer that makes up the majority of their revenue or through Apple just having really good contingency plans for this sort of thing, this shouldn't impact the shipping of the iPhone. But you bet, if something, I mean, Apple hasn't announced a new iPhone, Apple hasn't announced a bunch of new products, but if those rumored products slip or don't get announced, you know a lot of people are gonna start looking at this as a possible cause. Yeah, you're right. And it's probably not, but it will impact something. Something down the road is gonna slip because of this. It's just probably something- Well, TSMC's bottom line impacted. Yeah, no, exactly. 3% is a lot for a company this size, though. They think they'll make it up in the holiday quarter by ramping up production and sort of catching up. That is what they're trying to tell their investors. So if you believe that, then you should be fine. Sure. Wall Street Journal reports Facebook is asking banks to share customers' card transactions, shopping habits, and checking account balances to offer new financial services. What? If I wanna stop there, you're gonna scream. Came to Santa Monica, privacy violations. Now they want my bank data. Facebook says they're not doing that. Facebook says we're actively asking financial services companies for financial transaction data. They're talking to banks about offering services through Messenger like checking account balances or offering fraud alerts. They don't wanna record your financial information. What they wanna do is what they already do with PayPal and Citi in Singapore and American Express in the United States, which is allow you to go to Facebook Messenger and say, hey, what's my balance? And allow that company to tell you your balance, which means your data has to pass through a Facebook server to do that. That's what Facebook says. Now, granted, I don't trust Facebook much either. So I don't know, maybe they're doing some secret weird conspiracy thing to steal all your financial data, but my guess is not in the current climate. And the only way to provision this kind of service is to transfer the financial data you're requesting through Facebook Messenger onto a Facebook server so it can get to you on Messenger. But in this day and age, you say financial data and Facebook and people immediately jump to a lot of conclusions about risk. And Facebook has to work harder than other companies to prove and even harder than it had to do when it first launched these services with PayPal and Citi and American Express to reassure you, this is what we're doing with that information. We are not gonna sell it to third parties. We're not gonna target it through advertisements. This is all we'll do with it. And they should, I'm glad of that. So my question with this, and I'm just being dead on this here, is like, who's living in Messenger this much to need to get your balance of things from Messenger? Like, yeah, I use iMessage, right? But I don't wanna go in there and find out what I'm about. I mean, if I need to send something through Apple Pay, fine. But like, I have the bank app. I have the web, maybe I'm not the customer. I'm just wondering who are these people that live in Messenger? Like, to want this. I get what you're saying, and a lot of people in the chat room are echoing you right now. They're like, right on Lamar Wilson, exactly. But it does sound a little to me, like my grandpa, saying, well, why would you wanna phone up the bank to get your balance? You're just gonna go cash your checks there later. Ask them then. Why do you need to use the phone for that? Yeah, I mean- It's first party though, I don't know. I agree, I've never once even thought of figuring out if one of my banks could tell me my balance, because I have so many, but if a bank could tell me my balance through Facebook Messenger, never occurred to me, wouldn't wanna do it for lots of reasons that people are like, why go through Facebook though? It's rife with issues, or potentially rife with issues. But at the same time, it's like, okay, well, Facebook is looking for things like account balance to be able to flag down something that a bank would see as fraud. Obviously, I wanna know that as soon as possible through the proper channels, what if I am using Facebook Messenger for this? I could consider that, that's a really good feature. It's also, the idea that when somebody calls me up to offer me like a great low interest, crappy loan that's predatory. It's like, well, it's probably because my credit card balance is a little higher this month and there's information being shared. So a lot of this is a little bit like, Facebook is not reinventing some banking wheel here that we should all be freaked out about. I think Lamar's point of, is Facebook the way that you're finding out this information and checking in with your financial institution? That's really the issue that a lot of people seem to be having. Every WeChat user in China is laughing at this conversation. Like you poor backwards Americans, not using a messaging service to do everything. It makes life so much simpler. What is wrong with you? Because this is the way a large part of the world works. It's large swaths of the world use messaging apps to do all of their financial transactions. So what Facebook's trying to do is get a little piece of that action because they know that's the coming wave and a full of funny duddies like us don't use it. I don't think they care. What's the name of that Google Messenger, Aloe? They didn't have something, it wasn't financial but they were trying to do that. Put an assistant in there and- Oh yeah, no, they put Google Assistant in there. Which is weird to me, it's like- Yeah. Yeah, so I guess you're right. It is definitely cultural maybe or just different locations. For the three of us having this conversation right now, I feel like it's the first year of Twitter. And where are those people going, why would you use Twitter? Why would you use Facebook? Well, and the idea that WeChat has integrated so many services within a network and that it's working really well for a huge population of folks. I wish Facebook Messenger did work that well. It doesn't necessarily, it's not Facebook specifically but I wish we had something when I say we, I mean, I'm talking regional US but I wish I could consolidate everything if it made my life easier but where that's just not, especially when it comes to financial institutions. A little bit of a chicken and egg thing, right? Yeah, exactly. They need to roll out this stuff without people freaking out to be able to have all of the things that you're like, oh yeah, now I use messaging apps for that sort of thing. Roll out. Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com. Hey, and if you want to participate in our subreddit which is very helpful, helps us know what stories you'd like us to talk about, submit some or vote on others, dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. If you want to hang out on Facebook, great, facebook.com slash groups slash dailytechnewshow. We will not share your financial information whether you're having a good or a bad month but we will share Chris Christensen's thing of the day. He's back to talk about robots at the airport. This is Chris Christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute. I've got robots. I've got a robot story and this is an interesting one. KLM has introduced a robot in airports where you go up to this small blue robot and you give it your boarding pass. It scans your boarding pass and then will carry your luggage up to 85 pounds of luggage to your gate. It will know where your gate is, will navigate its way there and will move it about three miles per hour so that you can walk alongside it. It's currently being tested but they plan to roll it out at JFK and SFO here in 2018. One of the odd things the story I read was that it uses, quote, a variety of familiar nonverbal sounds to interact with travelers. Oh my gosh, it's R2-D2. I'm Chris Christensen from amateur traveler. Oh my God, why would you do that? Why would you want a robot to carry your luggage? Why wouldn't you? Hello, like why wouldn't you want to get Facebook? Okay, I get the point. Everybody wants R2-D2 to carry their luggage, of course. The only thing I could see, this sounds great, even though maybe you don't have really heavy luggage but let's just say you did, it would be really helpful. If you had kids and it just sort of takes a layer off of the complexity of getting to your gate, but we've all been at a really busy terminal and if there are many robots doing this for folks, okay, well, that's sort of adding some bulk to the walking area and also how do the robots talk to each other and are you going to lose your luck? They use Facebook. Oh, right. Yeah, I'm not the person. All right, let's check the mail back. What'd we get a feedback at Daily Tech News Show, Doc? We got a really cool email from Joseph in Chicago who wrote in about our conversation last week about Google Glass being used to help autistic folks. Joseph says, I was diagnosed with autism later in life despite being highly functioning after I had a life altering mental health issue a little over a year ago and I lost my job. The rare latent life diagnosis explained the reason why I had problems with certain social norms as well as relationships, whether it was with strangers or platonic or familiar or even romantic. Having this technology could save a lot of pain for those with autism and their families and neurotypicals around them by helping them progressively improve various skills in these four areas of life and allow those on the spectrum to live more fulfilling lives. So that applies to dating or friendship or legal issues or even school and school systems how to interact with a fellow student versus a teacher versus a dean or somebody else in the administration because obviously there are levels to that appropriate vernacular and chain of command when trying to get an exception. Joseph says, these are just some thoughts I had when I looked at the article and what I hope they could do in the future not just for kids but for those with autism of all ages and of all degrees. Yeah, and get over your thought of like, yeah, why would I want Google Glass on my face for that? Like imagine a different form factor or something that's just in regular old glasses or something like that. Just imagine the functionality. I think that's great. Thank you, Joseph, for that. Yeah, thank you so much, Joseph. I learned a lot from your email. So keep them coming, everybody. Thanks to Lamar Wilson as well, Lamar. You are a wealth of information. You're a scholar and all around great human. What has been going on since we saw you last? I see I paid you well through Facebook. Okay, that was the last one. That really was it. Hold on, I never got the money. Be cool. Exactly. So yeah, I run a unboxing and showcasing channel and this month in August, we're trying to do one video a day, just released one, which is not shown up on your page. That's okay. Just released one today and two minutes ago. 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Back tomorrow with Patrick Beja. Talk to you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at FrogPants.com. The Primeman Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. A show that defied all expectations. In other words, everything Roger and I talked with and Andrew introduced knew one. Everything we thought would go along with short, but yeah. It's a, yeah, yeah, we- It worked. It worked. It worked. Yeah, it worked. There was a moment where I was like, okay, yeah, our timing is not, I mean. Yeah. Hey man, we're usually really good at that. So we got to have a day like that every once in a while, but like- We were over a minute in the head-up. Nothing, nothing. Yeah, and all breaking news, people can join your Patreon using Facebook Messenger. No, part of it- Is that true even now? No. I'm like, there are a lot of ways. I wouldn't be surprised actually. No man, I just, I think of all, you know, the messaging culture is entirely different here than it is- It not all really is. But in a lot of parts of the world, yeah. I try to think young. So I'm not trying to be that generation X that don't get it. Like I- You need to think- Young and Japanese. No, I think part of it is that there hasn't been a, any kind of the flaws inherent in that system haven't been revealed to a broad base of users. So they don't have a context of fear in the way we might like- I don't know if that's it. I don't know if that's it. Fear doesn't seem to keep people in the US from doing a lot of things they shouldn't. I don't know. I think it's just that there's less of that sort of chatbot culture, at least with a lot of services I'm using, where it's like, when it comes to convenience, again, as long as I trust the company whose app I'm using and that's gonna differ between folks. But there's nothing wrong with that in theory to me because I'm always trying to simplify things. I just don't, I don't see Facebook Messenger as that. Oh yeah, that's where I can talk to lots of companies and get information and make dinner reservations and send Lamar money that I owe him. It's like, that's just not the network that I've become accustomed to using for any of that stuff. I think it has to do with the different ways SMS was implemented. Yes. And SMS was not something unlimited in a lot of the places where messaging has caught on very fast because people immediately gave up on SMS, like, I'll have to think about how many I have left there. Whereas in the US it sort of became unlimited right at that time that messaging apps were taking off and people were like, oh, well, I'll just use SMS for that. Yeah, true. I feel like a service, what Facebook's trying to do in my, again, my opinion, from somebody who grew up in the 90s really embraced the internet. Remember how AOL had the silo, right? You logged into AOL and then the internet, I mean, was this place. There was a separate internet button. Yeah, yeah, there's this place, you got your chat, you had, and Facebook is continually trying to be that silo and they just don't have the infrastructure to do that. Like, yeah, they have a mobile browser, I guess, but like, no one's logging into Facebook. They just, they don't have that, they don't have the components, I don't think, for what AOL did was like, you felt like you were on AOL using, happening to be using the internet. It was just a different feeling. AOL was very unique because it was a online, you know, service in the way that Genie and CompuServe were because before the internet was widely available to the public, you just went to a large, you know, online conglomeration, whether it was a well or whatever, and you just dialed in. Yeah, you had everything, yeah. They had everything right there. I remember when Prodigy has P and a content service and Facebook is just a content service, but I think Facebook is pretty close to being pretty silo-y. I mean, the fact that it's got 10% of the mobile browsing market right now, I wonder if AOL ever had 10% of the browsing market, even at its height. Oh, I think it probably had 100%. Really? No, no, no, no. The population was very small on the internet back then, and most people getting on the internet. I mean, 10% of the people, I mean, they had 90% of the people who were there, though. I mean, like... Because most of the people getting on the internet were geeks who were like, I want to get on this internet. AOL was able to get a few other people on there. I'd be curious though, maybe, I wonder... Yeah, you might be right, but I'd be really surprised if it was less than 10%. I would think more like 50. A ISP access market share from 1998, someone, please, thank you. Yeah, I'm thinking maybe by 98, the browsers were coming online. So people were using their next floor, but I think at the time when there was no knowledge of browser, I just didn't know. AOL browser, so you could do a browser market share from 1998, and that would play to this. You know, it's funny, I remember speaking of browsers, it's like, because my mom was a little ahead of the curve when it came to modems and getting online, and we had like, I don't know, Netscape Navigator or whatever it was way back in the day. And there were a couple of friends who come over to my house, because I still lived with my, I was still a kid at the time. They'd be like, well, but how are you doing that without America online? Because that's how America gets online. Exactly. Where I was like, well, okay, this is an interesting conversation. Let me, it was one of the first memories where I'm like, let me explain why you think that's the way you have to get online, but it's actually just one method. Part of it is at that time, there was still low understanding of what the internet was, right? Exactly. Everyone assumed it was just a service that was part of an online bulletin board system, like AOL or G, like a lot of things like banking. I remember Bank of America was trying to do, or was either Bank of America or Wells Fargo trying to do online banking through Prodigy. Remember Prodigy? Yes. Oh yeah. And that was one of our things. I remember the logo and everything. You had this really eight-bit interface and you had to click down and go in and you'd type in your account information to verify that it was your account, but it wasn't until people, I think until people started seeing things like, you can learn more online. Remember commercials? They would have whatever product you could learn more online and they would give you a URL and people would say, what the hell is that? I'm missing out on something because all these commercials are telling me I'm missing out on something because I'm obviously not seeing it because I can't go there. So I need to get this AOL disk or whatever to log in. Sure. I mean, it works. AOL is not listed in any of the browser market shares. It's all Internet Explorer and Netscape Navigator. Well, that's- The only thing I can find is AOL buying Netscape in 1998. And it's listed in the CNN article as having a 60% ISP market share in the U.S. Okay. But a lot of people used AOL, didn't use AOL. Yeah, that was me. Right, right, right, yeah, yeah. That doesn't tell you what slice of the 60% is doing that. Let me ask you this question. R2D2 carrying my luggage, Android as pie, movie passing the buck. I would do probably something pie. Yeah, that's a good call. Android pie is not a lie or as Android is pie. As Android is pie, I like that. I like that. I will go buy some pie. It's as Android as pie. There was a very good, are you all familiar with the concept of the hand pie? Yes, that's what hostesses were. Exactly, it's a small pie that you can put in your hand. The most famous being the hostess, like Rodney. Right, or a home run. Or the McDonald's. Or that. Excuse me, low carb over here. Can y'all stop, please? Sorry. I'm sorry to say. Lamar, there were structures for the next minute. There was a delicious peach hand pie at a coffee shop in Ojai that we went to yesterday called Beacon Coffee. Just an adorable little place. What's an Ojai pie? It was not called an Ojai pie, although it should have been. But by definition, it must have been. Right, but it was like one of these things where this older gentleman, you know, because in small towns, people are so friendly and they just want to talk to you like, hey, we know you're not from here. What's your story? Where are you from? He came up and he was like, do you like that hand pie? Oh, it's the best. And we were like, sure do. You know, let's talk about some peach pie. Sure, our chatty first stranger, what's your story? Yeah. That's what I used to do. Well, but it's, I don't know, it's so funny. It's like, I really am becoming an old person in a certain way, because the entire weekend I was like, this is like home. It just reminds me of home. Even though when I was a kid living in a small town, I was like, can't wait to get out of here. I hate knowing everybody. When you're a kid and you know everyone in town, everyone knows your parents. So if you do something wrong, it's gonna get back to them pretty quickly. Well, and you've heard that there's a big world out there, right? I mean, not everybody is looking to escape, but I think a lot of kids are like, I want to know the big worlds, you know? I'm missing out on all the other stuff. Yeah, exactly. Now I'm like, let's just all start painting and go live in the desert. I always, we always stop in the desert. Not know how. We should have chandeliers and like sell. We always stop at Paso Robles from jewelry. And not too far, like same kind of central California, but near the coast, you know, idea, I think. So you don't want to do the New Mexican desert? I'm gonna be surrounded by like. I've actually never been to New Mexico. So I don't even really have an opinion about it, but I'm sure it's really lovely. There is not a lot of order there for me. Mm, yeah. It just seems dangerous. A friend of mine who works in media as well, she worked in local news in Albuquerque for like four years. And she was always like, Santa Fe is the better city, but Albuquerque actually has sort of more going on. She really liked it. Yeah, I always enjoy myself in New Mexico, but for moving there, I get weirded out by this. Yeah, yeah. By the climate. Yeah. By being landlocked. Well, I've been landlocked before, but just no, no, not a lot of natural water around you. I guess up in the mountains there is. So maybe I'm. Not a lot of natural water down in Southern California. Yeah, I know. As opposed to the, you know, the waterfalls. The water rich paradise in between. These lush golf courses are amazing. Well, we have that big ocean. It makes me feel better. I know I can't drink it, but at least it's there. I mean, I do like I look at the ocean all the time where I'm like, we're, you know, we're good. Look at all that water. We'll figure out how to get the salt out of it. I used to water salt water in like your toilet and stuff and save all the drinking water for everything else. Right. So like. But I mean, it would corrode, right? Is that the problem? A lot of countries think we're crazy that we use the same water for sewage and drinking water. They're like, you should have non potable water. You can just reuse it and reuse it and reuse it. And so there's a lot of there's a lot of research being done in that. A lot of car wash places do that. Use the touchless. See, this is not potable water. I don't like it washing my car once a year. I am I I wouldn't call anybody out. But not that long ago. A very but, you know, intelligent adult friend of mine was like, I don't remember where we were, but she was like, non potable water. What's that? And I'm like, don't drink it. Oh, is that what that means? Yeah, like, yeah, that's what it means. Yeah, I didn't know to move here concept. Yeah, I never seen it before. Yeah. Yeah, it's a. Yeah, why don't we have water in our toilets? Hmm. But you never get water out of the toilet. You never need that water. Well, you know, we use non metal pipes like clay or something should be fine with the salt. Yeah, but not everybody changes the whole infrastructure. Who's using clay pipes? Why don't we just go back and take dumps? I think it makes more sense to just let's start over. All right. You have to make everybody get new pipes for. Hey, we have a power, a permanent power outage. What was the show on ABC? NBC Revolution or something, but he lost the power and then everybody had to go back to it. I watched that for a while. It was good. I like the power just disappeared. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty interesting. I'd be kind of scared because we had a power outage in my neighborhood last week and was I mean, it was several hours. And you know, people were kind of I'm more worried about running out of potable water than I am about power loss because power you could generate on a local scale, not a lot of it, but enough to keep emergency things running. But like, if you don't have clean drinking water, you're kind of you're kind of up the creek without anything. That's what Kool-Aid's for. Anyway, how do you drink Kool-Aid without water? You've been drinking the Kool-Aid. It's in the fridge already. It's already made. Wake up, sheeple. Just find the giant walking. This whole water thing, it's like, lots of things have water. No, there's some really good research, all kidding aside. Really good research being done on how to reuse water, not only for non-potable stuff like sewage and toilets, but also for drinking water, being able to re-purify it, take it out. It creeps people out. That's the biggest hurdle that they're trying to get over with this research is they're like, yeah, but it was in a sewer, they're like, yes. Yeah, so is the water you're drinking. Water comes from the sky and has been everywhere. Like, we have to purify it anyway. So there are special things you have to do to re-purify water, but you can do it. And it's not as inefficient as you might think. Is surreal is actually one of the leading countries because they live in a desert. And so they have a very strict regimen about how water use is managed, but they have a lot of recycling and regeneration of water. Plus, contrary to potable beef, it isn't people that use up the most of the water. It's agriculture, at least in California, it's like 80% of the usage. Right. So if they can find more efficient ways to irrigate crops. I mean, when I was growing up in high school, they used to flood like an orchard. They would just turn on the tap and it would just run water until it was like two inches deep. And that's how you irrigated the orchard. That's the way we need to get back to. You need to worry about it. I was a kid. Well, don't worry about all this. I don't remember the apple orchard that I was on the edge of being under that much water, but it was like, no, somebody was not manually watering. I mean, it was like a hundred acres. Like it was all built in, whether it was high noon or, you know, it's kind of, you know, running your sprinkler all the time, nobody cared about that. That's how we watered the lawn in my high school. Yeah. The janitor would come by, open a tap and flood like a big section of lawn and it'd be under water. And then the, and this is like, you know, two, two p.m. in the afternoon, the water's evaporating. So it's just like, oh, that's just like the weirdest thing. Well, we're gonna evaporate from the video as well. But thanks for joining us, video folks. Stick around, audio folks. There's more water talk to come. Decellination. The water wars.