 Okay, it is 5.30. I'm going to call the meeting to order. I'll start out with roll call. Uh, call the person ahead of me. Hold him and I'm in here. I'll press the cells. Here. I'll press your mask. Present. I'll press for me. I'm here. I'll press the vectors here. We'll start out with the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Okay, I think we will do the introductions. We have quite a few guests here today. I'm Dean Decker, all the person from District 6, Chairperson of the committee. Alderman Heidemann, District 10, Southside. Amanda Salazar, District 3. Alder Ross, or Zach Ross, District 8, Vice-Chair. And I'm Angela Raimi. I'm District 5, Alder. Liz Majeris, Legal. I'm Isabel Miller. I'm with Glacier League's Conservancy. Paul Lambert, Pickleball Player. Tracy Burnett, Private Citizen. Joel Cole, State DPW. Lucas Burke, Private Citizen. Ryan Sosma, DPW. Heather Burke, Business Manager. David Bebel, Director of Public Works. Okay, we'll go to Number 5, Approval of Minutes from October 14, 2023. I moved to approve. Second. I just made the second. Any discussion on those minutes? All in favor? Aye. Chair votes aye. Those are approved. Okay, let's start out with Number 6, RO, Number 66, 23, 24. Submitting a request from Paul Romer for approval to allow us to hunt my wildlife within the City Lift Director. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. Yes, the City recently, as you may recall, the Common Council annexed this property. It was formerly in the town of Wilson. It was formerly owned by the Romer family, purchased by the Burkey Company, and held by them for several years. They've allowed him to continue to farm and remain on the farm homestead on this parcel. He is asking basically to continue to allow hunting as he has for several years prior to this annexation. It is private property. There is hunting allowed within the City Corporate Limits provided that it meets certain setback requirements in the land of appropriate size, which this diagram is displayed this evening for your behalf. The larger area is for what can be considered bull hunting, and the inner area would be for any gun hunting such as shotguns or geese and ducks for migratory hunting in that area. As I said, it's been hunted for several years prior to this. Now that it's just in the City, they're just asking for clarification and permission, which they have provided that they're within the setback area. So, our current ordinance allows for this? Yes. So basically, he's just confirming this or? Well, they weren't under, they just wanted to, they weren't really sure if you could hunt in the city or not. We don't allow hunting on city property that is owned by the city, and it's a private property interest. So, I mean, it does just because it's a large enough area to be hunted, the private property owner could deny it if so if they desire. So it's, again, they have a relationship with the Berkeley company for years that they've been using it so. Thank you, Chairman. Is it posted in any way? Is it posted? Posted in any way. What does that mean? Well, no trespass can't hunt here. Must notify the owner when you go to the country. You can see where these signs were because I know by mouse properties is that way you got to context a family memory before you can go on it. It's private property right now. So it's, and it's not posted, it's not like public lands or anything like that where you can DNR or anything like that are under control. I didn't see anything in terms of proper or from where our area, for instance, there may be something along self-business drive where the, where the homestead is. Okay. I'm not sure, but I didn't see anything. Any other questions? This is the proper. Yeah. I don't think that this type of request needed to go to the committee. I think staff could can explain to Mr. Romer the regulations and point him in the direction of the ordinance. He need only get written permission from the property and abide by the setback requirements as David mentioned. So I would just offer that. Yeah. The committee to file this and somebody from DPW could just give him some clarification. I moved to file. Second. Most made in the second into file. Any other discussion on this? All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Chair, what's aye. Okay. Number seven, 87. 23. Resolution 7. 23. 24. Resolution authorized for city officials to enter to a contract for the construction of the Kiwanis Park Pickleball Courts authorizing the budget amendment. Mr. Chairman, I'm going to defer to the city engineer, Mr. Brian Sassman. Okay. Yep. Several months ago, we the city department of who works designed some small courts and we have we do block grant money from the planning department to our staff designed the pickleball courts and we bid them out and everything came within budget. And we found the best spot to put these pickleball courts. Six of them is right in this area. Right, right here. Yeah. Six of them. Yeah, it's pretty standard size. Probably now, but we the way, I don't know the drawing up here, but the way we got them laid out, it'll be easy to expand to the east to add more onto it. Just take it up. But we get a huge, huge, huge request for pickleball courts. We got the three at Bullrath. I'd order some, some reds courts are more, but pickleball courts are better because the fences are nice and tight, you're not chasing a darn ball so much. So, so these are, these are, these are going to be a big hit. Like a nice scheme of pickleball, have a refreshment afterwards. Can't be, can't be beat. I know Joe, I know Joe Curlin did a lot of research with other, with other city in Hamilton, but what type to fit in this with the dollar month that we had. And that's kind of what they suggested is six courts with a, with a corridor in between. So people can rest and put some furniture in there. Like some canopy stuff, picking tables. That's right. Thank you. Yep. Okay. How does that ball diamond at all? Or that doesn't. Is there a ball right over there? Or that one doesn't get used to anything? It's, it's correct. It's really obsolete. It doesn't, they haven't played on it for several years. This is an old photo. In fact, if you, it's pretty much all grass now. It's got summer. Yeah. It's not much. And the way these pickleball courts are kind of set back a little bit here. So we can always put a parking lot up here. But we'll, we'll put, they can start building these things. Like in March, April will be used by June 1st. And this, I think next year people can just park on the street. There's a mill parking at 17th and co-op. But we do have a parking lot laid out. So we'll do that down the road if needed. It's a nice facility. Okay. So you're going to have six, six courts there. Okay. Now the city, we don't, we don't book courts through DPW who, where do you get, is first come, first serve? Exactly. There's no guarantee, like I said, because if you had facilities that had leagues that wanted to go down there, they'd want to make sure that they have it at a certain time, right? Correct. So is there anything in place that says, it's sort of like renting the baseball time? Right. So I mean, if, if and when, if there's official leagues in that, then there would have to be, you know, some type of agreement. We would work through our parks and our forestry office. Along with the business office to structure an agreement for a certain reserve, reserve of times and other. So it doesn't go into the rec, right? Well, we, we work with the rec department and if there, if it's a rec department sponsored program, we work with the rec department. But if it's a private organization or a club, they work directly with our office. Okay. And it would be like a record. Right. And we, we'd set up probably an agreement and free yourself, you know, Yeah. With that. Again, we, it's, it's great that, that there's those opportunities, but we don't want those opportunities to overtake just the public good and having opportunity for just the public to recreate and enjoy it at all. Yeah. Yeah. Great. Great. Well, Ra's is that way. Joe, first come, first serve. Okay. Yeah. You ever, no? Okay. That's a great question. That question was Joe's question. Okay. Oh, okay. Okay. I met with Dave and we went through an awful lot of fine tuning on the courts themselves. Some things that we particularly felt would be good for playing purposes, not interfering with another court, as well as safety purposes. And I'm just wondering if any of those were incorporated into the plan and what is the final plan? Will we be having totally enclosed courts or relieving some of them open? What kind of fencing are we going to have? There's going to be fencing between the courts for a link to the court. But if you want to go from court one, you don't need to walk outside to go around. So each court is not going to be fenced off tight. That make sense at all? It will not be. It will not be. So there will not be a gate in each specific court in order to enter that court. Right. You'll have to go into another gate and then go through the other courts to get to whichever one you're going to. Yes. I think the best thing to do is you want to stop in tomorrow. I'll be more than happy to show you the plan set and we can show you. Yeah, because we had changed. We had specifically, I had made the suggestion of maybe lowering the fencing if need be to cut down the cost, but also putting in individual gates at each court. Yeah. And we have four foot fences between each court, but it doesn't go from end to end. It doesn't go from one end to possibly. The other end of the court, the link to the court. The link to the court except for one end is going to be open. Just one end. No, both ends will be open. Why is that? Well, I see there's so many different ways to lay out these pickleball courts. Obviously the court sizes don't change, but there's different, like we're just talking right now, there's so many different ways. And I know like I said, we did a lot of research talking to other communities and that's where they kind of built these. But once you can stop in tomorrow, we can be more than happy. Yeah, I will. Where can I come? Come down here. Come down here. Yeah, I would like to see the final plan. Just pick a time. Well, before you leave, I'll give you my card. I'll make sure I'm here. We get to see you. I have a couple meetings tomorrow. Is it attached in the... No, I did not attach the drawings in your head. We had the contract in there. We didn't have the drawings. We weren't happy to email them to everybody. That's fine. Okay, well, you should see it. We weren't happy to email them. Yeah, yeah. Actually, it's a plan. It's yours? Is it yours? It's fine. Okay, well, then we'll both see you soon. It's a plan to the like 20, 25 sheets, but you're only interested in one or two. Yeah, we just want to see the layout. I am full in support of the courts if it's needed and there's use from our constituents. I do have weird feelings about adding a parking lot to green space. Yeah, we did. So if you could not do that and use the street parking and folks would just have to walk like they're doing a bullrath, that feels really great. I would hate to lose green space to a cement parking space. Right, right. No, I agree there's more enough room out there to put this. There is more than enough room. I actually feel like it's probably a lot safer than it is at bullrath. Because it can be quite zippy there. You're right. But we just gave room for it. Who knows down the road? We didn't want to put a kite against the road because we are kind of tied in and a little bit. I hear you. Yeah, we don't have a lot of green space. And there was just enough money for six courts to talk to? Yes, yes. We had a budget to go by here and that's exactly what we built. The same individuals that designed the bullrath did that several years ago. So we had some pretty tight numbers on what stuff it cost. We came within, I think, $8,000, our estimate out of $315,000. So it was a tight number. I think eight would be filled. Excuse me? Do you think eight would be used? Oh, definitely. There's a whole market for this, I didn't know. We could fill 12 courts. There are a minimum of 300 people that are playing in Sheboygan in this area. So folks are playing, they now have these six courts and how many are bullrath? Just three. Just three. So that brings you to nine. When I say just three, I'm talking about three dedicated pickleball courts. There are other pickleball courts in the area in Sheboygan County, but they're painted lines on tennis courts. So we share them with the tennis people. And so what we're looking for now is dedicated pickleball courts, give the tennis people back their courts, give us dedicated pickleball courts so that we can play there. And we have a club that plays six, seven days a week out. Yeah, we're playing all the time. You'll be having either of these down the road. Yeah, I mean, I gotta try this. It's a year or five years ahead of pickleball. Have you ever played it? Oh, well, I'm warning you. If you try it, it's addictive. Okay, well, I guess I need a hobby. Good news is it's not expensive. Yeah, it's a good sport. I can see why 300 people play this. Are there courts inside Uptown Social too? Yeah, they are going to put them in the gym. In the gym, right? Yeah, I was like, yeah. Right now indoors, we have both of the Y's, Sheboygan Y and Sheboygan Falls, and Berkshire and Sheboygan Falls. Oh, okay. Yes, and the Sheboygan Y. So that's where we're playing indoors now. And then there's some other areas around, in other parts of Sheboygan County where they're playing inside like in a church. Or other grammar schools or something like that. Yeah, we do put you around. Yeah, it's very dangerous. You don't know how to play, it's dangerous. Well, let's go one on one. I know! Money for the two other courts, would I? It's one of the biggest people when they know I can't play. That's the danger. There's where the danger is. I've never played. I've never played. You've only played in the IOLs. Just... Yeah, wow! Alrighty. Well, I move to a proof-threats-related strike. Okay. We'll make the second that any other discussion. Enough. All in favor. Aye. If you pose to the other side, that is a three. Call the board. I will do one. I'm rolling all day. Great. Okay, number eight. Resolution number 91-23-24. Resolution authorizing the appropriate city officials to enter into a contract was premier excavation LLC for the construction of the butch. This is the butch in property. I don't know if everyone's familiar with that at all. Okay. Was it three, four years ago? We built a bunch of soccer fields on here. Yeah, we created sites about 13 acres. Oh, there's 55 acres near to here. That is Woodson. We created, basically, the 13 acres and seeded it and are prepping for fields. They're coming along very nicely. In fact, I think the plan is to have some of the, what they call the Academy or the younger soccer players would play there in spring on the north section. And then on the top fields, they after spring summer grow again, they may start some of the more middle school and maybe high school level kids that play soccer to play in those upper fields. They will be ready by then. In order for them to use it though, they really can't park on the grass. So this project basically would be putting in the parking lot in the front of the complex here. We've already have a retention pond in. The homes have been raised. The only two structures that remain are the two, when I would say nicer, barns and they're used for storage and equipment and such. I think the other thing, Ryan, I think that besides the parking, it will also, we're stubbing in water and sewer for future restroom concession building. So that, we want to get that in as part of this project so we're not having to go through a parking lot, get it in prior to the parking lot. So it's like that. Took a couple of years to get some decent turf out there, but it's there now. So that's why it makes sense to build a parking lot. And this, like pickleball courts, there is a lack of soccer fields out there. And these are city-owned, so we have a control, I guess, will come. So that's great. And how many fields are there? Well, there's, with the 13 acres, there's up to four high school level soccer fields, three would be on the upper part. The lower part would also have youth fields within there. So when you have a full-size high school, you can go sideways and get two smaller fields on on that same high school field. So they'll rotate fields, but it's probably four large-scale high school level fields. And then within there, you can probably fit about eight, for sure, maybe 10, what I would say youth fields within that area too. Sorry, not a question. But how much parking are we looking at? This lot would be right around 250? Yeah, around 250. And again, all this was designed in-house by the DPW staff engineering staff. None of this, you need to know consultants, none of this kind of stuff. So how does this affect when I went over to a horseman? How does that alleviate horseman's congestion? Is it, are these people already designated to come to this field as opposed to doing- They'll use both. They'll use both, okay. And part of it is, is my understanding, is that it will give some relief to some of the fields. Because of natural grass, they get pounded and pounded, so they'll be able to rotate some of the play and practices so that they're not using the same field night after night after night. It doesn't recover and the grass doesn't have an opportunity to grow the turf. Okay, and this is all connected with Lakeshore Soccer? Right. Okay, and is the Rec Department have anything to do with that too? Yes, the Rec Department is, it's kind of, there's a partnership with the Youth Soccer Rec Program and Lakeshore United in terms of a collaboration and providing. They have the Rec Level Soccer, as well as a select more of a, more of a premier, love level. So, but they manage both of those programs. Gotcha. But our local high school, high school, won't be playing there. They could practice if they so desire, but they also, they play mainly their games at Horseman on the turf field. Yeah, yeah, okay. Any other questions? Discussion? Okay, I'm looking for a motion. I move to adopt resolution. Second. Motion to be seconded. Any other discussion? All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Sure, both sides. That is approved. All right. This is normal. He is the 2023. Thank you. Looking for a motion to adjourn. I move to adjourn. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. We are adjourned.