 Okay, we're now being joined by Mr. Gutswill Jumbo, who was former Chief Press Secretary to the Deputy Governor of River State, but he is a MISDAIR consultant now, and we're glad to have him join us to talk about issues concerning River State, especially as it concerns the budget that was passed and is now going to be repassed. Good morning and welcome to the program, Mr. Jumbo. Good morning, my pleasure to be with you again. Good morning, sir. Okay, so whenever we're talking rivers, it's like we're talking drama, you know, it's a series, you know. Episode one, scene one and all that. So tell us, give us an update what the general feeling is in rivers right now. Some people are saying the governor's wings are being clipped and this and that, the budget, which is a real bonus contention right now that was passed, is now going to be repassed according to what the courts have said. So what does the general feel like in rivers right now? Okay, simply put, it's a bit of a confused situation for the generalty of the people present. A few people understand how these things work. For most of us people, we are wondering what's actually happening. Conflicting court decisions. One is saying the status quo should be maintained. Another one is saying that the budgets presented to the lawmakers and as a sign into law by the government that it is invalid. And then another area has declared the right on level, as the speaker, the authentic speaker, and then they went on to pass the budget. And all of that, you know, is that really the state of anomaly? And like you will usually observe, it's an unfortunate situation that when you look at the algorithms for river states, you know, you just type in river states, the words you see, you know, that rolls out from Google search, Yahoo search or anything you want to search is political drama, political crisis sort of, you know, and you look at it as actually an unfortunate situation. But we don't know how this is work. All of the decisions brought out as of yesterday actually amount to nothing because they were all included by courts of current jurisdiction. The state high courts and the federal high courts are at the same level, you know. And if the state high court sitting in Budapest has said that the House of Assembly has led by AHA Edison before he resigned, is the authentic House of Assembly and him as the speaker, that is what the position of the law is. So anybody who has any other court of that same, you know, coming up to say A or B or C. I mean, they are all, we know that the first court of current jurisdiction that gives the decision, that is the one that stands. What does follow behind? What do you, an affiliate court, you know, overturns, sets aside reverses or any of those decisions. It is only there that we can now pick that particular one that people has decided on. But for now, it is state high court, federal high court. So the one that is actually in the eye of the law, as we speak, given the provisions of the extant laws of this country, is the one that gives the AHA Edison in law because as authentic House of Assembly, you know, existing in the United States. And then we also know that the office of the Supreme Court, the law, and the meat play, that once you exist, the party that sponsors you to a police school office, automatically you lose that position. It is not as it is now. So the 27th and then later 25 lawmakers who become from the PDB to the ABC by law and not even members of the House of Assembly, let alone the speaker or whatever. And then the last day, the government has been restrained by one of the high courts from representing the budget that has been passed into law to these other set of law makers. So that's, and that would say everything remains as it is on the phone. And it is all the way to, I think, February 24th or so when the case will be called up. So it means that condition that the president, giving the government of the state to represent the budget to law makers when we are who are not correctly members of the House of Assembly by law, that has already been taken care of. Well, all of these, you know, eventually the fine, as they say, whatever fine is level as at Friday midnight, that's the last day the Supreme Court has to resolve all issues around the 23 elections. So by Friday, we would know where we stand. And whatever it is that will be resolved, by Friday, we will know. Between now and Friday, we are sure the Supreme Court will take a stand on the reverse state in volume. They said this budget, even though there were just about five law makers. But we're seeing that over 27 had decamped and now 25. Do you think he should present the budget again? Does that even make sense? Isn't that against our constitution? Apart from the fact that the court has said he should not represent, but what is he feeling like? What is the governor doing? Because there are some things that we said by law he shouldn't do but he agreed to do them because he said that he needs peace to reign. So will he implement that? Okay, well, we know that, according to what is being said, he knows those concessions under the US. You know, the trick was his former boss, his former mentor, his political godfather, he was setting up for the president. You know, so it's not a battle between godfather and godson. It is now a battle between the reverse state governor and the president of Nigeria. Any vice-president who would have any concession just to get out of that situation, you know, but the issue is not in agreeing to the concessions. It is the implementability of both concessions, the feasibility of implementing them. I mean there, the constitution allowed a government to present a budget twice. You know, present a budget is being affirmed by the House of Assembly. The governor has signed up on it. It becomes extant law. It becomes, you know, active. And then that same governor will not go before the House of Assembly again. It has to be assumed that there are no crises. That the same reverse state House of Assembly, the governor does the law, allow that. The constitution does not recognize that kind of process. That would be a breach of the law. And the governor will not do that. Well, while they are looking at all of that, some people have gone to court and gotten an injunction from the court and say no, you can't do that. Go gone. Let's look at the issues that have been gone before these courts. For now, don't present the budget. Nobody should disturb and everybody just stay where you are. By February we come back and then we look at the issues before us. Talking about the constitutionality of it, there is no constitutionality to it. The law does not allow that. It is clear that once a budget is presented with the House of Assembly, and the House of Assembly has looked at it and, you know, looked through the provisions of that budget and passed it. And the governor has signed to it. It becomes law. For instance, the constitution is law. And we want to look back and go into a constitutional process again and then we start working on the constitution again while the constitution is acting. And we now come back and say, this one is not law. We can only implement the constitution. We cannot implement another constitution. We can only implement what we have. In fact, we will go on with another law. And it says this constitution is not allowed. They will not go on. So in the case of the budget, the law is clear that you cannot present it twice. So the government, we have all the U.S. trying to please the president, trying not to show any form of disrespect to the president. They are not here. Whatever. Whatever. And what is the problem? You know, he is threatened by the way and then he signs it. And then he just gets out of the situation and then comes back to him and then in the process, Okay, okay, Mr. Jumbo. Mr. Jumbo, I want to understand this because our time is running. From the way you have spoken, it means that the case against the people who declaimed to another party is still in court. And if that is the case and if the law is spelled out the way it should be, they are not even members of the House of Assembly right now. Does it mean River State is operating without a functional House of Assembly? Because the speaker who was elected, the authentic speaker by-law, recognized by-law here has resigned. Nobody from the authentic people who are supposed to be in the House of Assembly stepped into those shoes, except the people who are by-law illegally coming back to the House of Assembly. So River State is operating without a legal House of Assembly right now? Is that what you're saying? No, not really. River State has a functional House of Assembly recognized by-law. 5B. Because there are no rules that the authentic House of Assembly recognized by-law is the remaining members of the House of Assembly who did not become. And he is being elected among themself as the speaker is the authentic speaker. Now, they also elected the House of Assembly guy from representing Ugo Ugo in Corona Constituency as his deputy. So if he had resigned, his deputy naturally becomes the acting speaker or whatever. So are they holding parallel? Are they holding parallel sittings in River State? Yes. They now make us representing Ugo Ugo in Corona, Boni, and which other world? There are about 5 of them who did not become. So they constitute the House of Assembly based on the judgment of justice that had to go. So the River State has a functional House of Assembly. The only challenge is Aimee not going ahead to conduct election to fill up the vacancies that have been created. That's the only issue we have here. So we cannot say that River State does not have a House of Assembly. River State has the functional active House of Assembly. Are they sitting? Are they sitting? That's the question because we seem to hear news only from the Amaule section. Are they sitting? Like they say if a lie is repeated over and over again it begins to sound like the truth. So these people are also being strated. They remember their politicians. Mattis Amaule has always been around. He was there throughout the Amici administration. He was there throughout the Wike administration. He's been around for a long time. And he's been in the House of Assembly for eight years. And then there are several other of them. Major Jack has been. He was there during the Amici administration. He was there during the Wike administration. Enemy, George and several others. These are politicians. They know how things work. So they used media visibility to sustain that consciousness in the minds of people and Nigerians that you are functioning. You can tell a lie as many times as possible. It doesn't make the truth. Okay. I know, like we said, you also confirmed this drama coming from River State. And we know that this issue has not finished now. We are going to look at what happens in the coming days and we'll still call you back to try to give us information of what is happening in River State. We'd like to thank you in the meantime for being a part of our program. I'll be on standby waiting for your call. Thank you so much. Okay, take care. Thank you very much.