 Let's see. Let's do some super chat. The German population had to be nihilistic on a never before seen level where they were willing to systematically exterminate other members of our species. Are people in the West today on the road to being consumed with that much hate and rage? I mean, it's possible, but remember that, and this is the thing, George Peterson talks about this, but it's true in the case of Germany, that it wasn't that if you walked about Germany five years before the rise of Hitler, you would say, oh, yeah, these people are hating and raging. And so therefore, Hitler makes sense. It's not how these things work. One of the things that Lenny Pickoff in ominous parallels talks about, you need to read that book if you're interested at all at any of these issues, is how ideas lead people to be willing to exterminate millions of fellow human beings. And part of it is, they're trained in the ethics of duty. So it's not that millions of Germans raged and hated and despised, but millions of Germans were willing to follow orders. Millions of Germans were willing to do whatever the philosopher king, the spiritual leader of the Aryan people, told them to do. Whatever they believe the categorical imperatives or their duties oblige them to do, that is what they were willing to do. So it's not that everybody who pulled the trigger or every God that ushered the Jews into the gas chambers or any one of them who scooted out the bodies and put them in a furnace. It's not that every one of those people was an nihilist, hated and raised, but that every one of those people were willing to follow duty, to do what they were told, to not question, to assume the authorities were authorities. Think about it. Take this example. Hopefully this would qualify. And this is my counter to another Jordan Peterson point. Take Abraham and Jacob. God comes to Abraham and says, I want you to sacrifice your oldest son to me. I want you to kill him. And Abraham says, yes. Is Abraham willing to sacrifice his oldest son because he's an nihilist? Because he hates, because he rages? No. Abraham is willing to sacrifice his oldest son because he follows orders, because he's thoughtless, because he's a follower of commandments. So that's a duty ethics. That's what people are trained to do by German philosophy come the 1930s and 40s. They're prepped. And the burst in the 1930s in a sense of just subjectivism and rejection of all absolute truths just sets up triggers that in the culture, which is said, no, no, no, no, no, that leads to mayhem and nihilism and destruction and anarchy and all that. No, what we really need to do is just follow orders. And they do. And it's always nutty when you think about it, because they go from nihilism and nihilism in the sense of riding in the streets and crazy modern art and so-called art and democracy gone amok and all of this stuff too. Suddenly all these, including all the leftists, are ready to follow orders. So it's stunning how quickly a transition happens and one of the things I saw in 2020, I think, was that epistemology, that abandonment, a reason, abandonment of facts in the name of following orders. And that's what I think is scary. And that's why I think it's not so much that what you see out there is rage and people. It's, are you seeing a mentality change in America where Americans would be willing to just accept orders rather than think for themselves, don't tread on me, real freedom and real liberty. And I worry that we're there. I worry that the West is moving in that direction. But I don't know that you could have seen it coming before Hitler in Germany. And I don't know you're going to see it coming here in the United States. I mean, in a sense, we're seeing it right now. But will you literally see it coming? Will you be able to predict the exact date of it? No, you'll just, you'll see the trend. And that's why I always say the fascism is a backlash against kind of the leftist nihilist disintegration, which then demands order. And the order can lead to great violence in the name of that order in the name of, of, of getting things right in the name of what in the name of duty in the name of duty. I mean, some of the, some of the worst of the Nazis in the, in the, when they were in trial, I mean, made the claim I was just following orders. And I believe some of them, they were just following orders. So what do you make of the corpals who are pulling the triggers? They wasn't just following orders. But it's the idea that you're willing to just follow orders. That's what's scary. And that's not necessarily nihilism in you. It's a, it's an unthinking, it's an unbelievable irrationality and immorality in you. But I don't know that it's nihilism in you. Okay, one more from Michael because he put a lot of money behind these. I've noticed, I've noticed politically right wing pro-capitalist intellectuals hold Contian epistemology. How did they Contian ethics and epistemology lead to a pro-capitalist political orientation like that of Jordan Peterson, who is clearly a Contian? This relates to the question I think I answered last show, maybe from you Michael, I don't know, about the culture, the fact that there's a Contian culture out there. And yet we're not all dead, right? We're not all finished. So what's holding us together? And I said there's a battle going on between the Contian intellectuals, a certain percentage of our population that's Contian and certain elements in the culture that are pro-reality, pro-production, pro-happiness. And then that battle is ongoing, the Enlightenment versus Kant. Think of it also that that battle is going inside the mind, the soul of somebody like Jordan Peterson. Yes, Jordan Peterson is this weird combination of religion and Kant, and bizarre philosophy and a little bit of a duty ethic mentality. But he also has elements of pro-freedom, pro-capitalism elements, not certainly not pure pro-personal responsibility in a healthy sense, some of it's unhealthy, but some of it's healthy. Because he's got remnants of the Enlightenment and he talks about the Enlightenment, he's quite good when he talks about the Enlightenment, when he talks about the individualism of the Enlightenment. So in people's souls, in people's minds, there is a battle going on between the self-destructive, anti-reason, anti-reality, intellectual remnant that they have gotten from the universities, they've gotten from the intellectuals, maybe they got directly from Kant and others on the one hand. And a pro-reality wanting to live, desire to live, having a mind that can see what works and what doesn't work, and saying, you know, capitalism works, socialism doesn't, I'm against socialism, but you can see how he has to undercut the capitalism because he can't completely trust that. So if he saw his debate with Zizek, the socialist communist, he doesn't really want to defend capitalism. He wants to attack socialism. So yeah, he's battling, you know, in his intellectual influences versus kind of the common sense, the reality orientation that is part of who he is, the part of what he is, part of having to deal with the world. Nobody can be, not even Kant, a pure Kantian. Nobody can be completely, nobody can really live if they assume they have no knowledge of reality itself as it is. So life is impossible, so they have to embrace certain aspects of the Enlightenment, certain aspects of living in order to survive. And then it's a battle inside them, a clash, who's going to win out? 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