 And today I have my dear, dear friend Marina Colombo, who is originally from in this world, Argentina, but we've known each other for some years. And I think among the Latin America crowd, sometimes you've got the nickname, you are our David Spanish voice. Like, even though I never learned how to speak Spanish, Marina and I have been able to merge our minds together in a collaborative way, and then suddenly, even simultaneously, it comes out. That happened a few times with different ones, Carolina, Corrada, briefly, but Marina and I have done it like for the years now. So welcome, Marina, and we have a lot of exciting things we can talk about, but just welcome to the live broadcast. Thank you so much, David. It feels so joyful to be here right now with you. Yeah, I feel like there's so much joy that wants to come through, and it's been such an honor, and it's been such a pleasure, and I feel so grateful that the spirit brought our paths together, and to collaborate with you. It has been my biggest pleasure, true pleasure and gift, and I'm so grateful. I remember there was a time in Argentina when I was praying to God to show me the way to truly live how he lived, just to understand what it is that there is no, I'm not governed by any laws, but God's, and that I'm sustained by the love of God, and you came into my perception, and you have been such a wonderful way-shower, and Jesus has used you to help me clear my perception, clean my mind, and I am forever, forever so grateful for your demonstration, for your love, for your yes. Yeah, I think that your yes has taken me with you, and I have nothing but gratitude for you. Thank you so much. Beautiful, beautiful. Well, when I think of you, I think of how willing you have been. I remember the first time I think I saw you, we were doing an online retreat, and then we were just asking if there was anybody in the retreat who wanted to go through the process of exposing and unraveling and unwinding, and there you were. You just said, yes, I do, I wanna do it. So with all the emotions and everything right on the online retreat, you just came on, you were willing, you were transparent, you poured your heart out, and then that was the beginning of really a connection and collaboration with myself and Francis, and a lot of those living miracles, and it's gone very, very deep because I used to say about Francis, I said if there was an encyclopedia, and there was a topic in the encyclopedia that was spiritual awakening, they could put Francis's picture right next to it because she was such an example and remains a huge example of not just learning some new theories or concepts, but actually taking the guided, prompted steps to go deeper and go toward the experience of the direct connection with God to be a living demonstration because really to teach us to demonstrate, so it's our attitude and our thoughts are demonstrating what we believe in every moment and when we really put our full faith in Jesus to guide us, then it's quite extraordinary as a demonstration. And I feel like that's the way it's been with you that from there, and I think you originally from Argentina but you were over in Australia, you were more in like working more of a regular job corporate kind of thing and then began taking so many steps to just be guided. This Francis was step by step by step, moment by moment by moment into what would you have me do? What would you have me say? Where would you have me go? A real devotional turning over. So I would say just along with Francis we could put Marina right there in the encyclopedia because in what the world would call relatively young age and young life, you've just followed a very intuitive path of guidance and prayer and have been used actually in many ways. Probably too many, we can even count them on two hands of all the different things that you've done some times helping out with translations, huge amount of translations, helping in planning and organizing things, helping lead a Spanish ministry, leading a house, going through relationship issues and clearings. Pretty much ding, ding, ding, ding all across the board you have firsthand experience at all of it. So when people invite you to teach because now you're actually starting more what the world calls more of a teaching ministry, it's you're multifaceted in the sense that you come from an actual experience of not a, well, we should do this or we wish we could do this, but then you have actually walked through all these steps and then you can just speak from firsthand direct experience. And I think that's just the most wonderful gift that it's like a, it would just be an honor to have you come and teach or we were talking the other day how Maria Del Mar, a friend of ours who was quite a large, you see the M following down in Columbia just saw you come to her mind in prayer and meditation and then that led to what seemed like a very orchestrated and synchronized meeting where you're both gonna join together and do a whole all day forgiveness day down in Bogota. But yeah, there's so many things we could talk about but we don't know where to start. Yeah, yes, there's so much, but yeah, it just being, it just, there is so much to communicate that it's like, well, who would you help me start? But I feel like most of all is this deep experience in my heart that I'm having where I can feel Jesus taking me to depths of mind that I have never been before. And today I was thinking about the lesson forgiveness offers me everything I want and it puts a sparkle in your eyes when you wake up and another day to greet with joy. And I was like, oh my God, Jesus, yes, forgiveness offers me everything I want. Thank you so much for this path. Like this is a course in miracles. Like this is a path of miracles. There's so many miracles. And I could see how he's rinsing my perception. He's making it clear and clear and clear. And there was one time when we were in a meeting and you looked at me and I felt Jesus talk through you. And he said, I will remove every scrap of dust in your mind and the belief in loss will be completely erased. And I was like, oh my God, thank you. I want that. I want that with all my heart. And he is just showing me miracle over miracle. And every day I'm waking up these days and I'm like, okay, Jesus, what do you have for me today? It's just so joyful. Like what are you gonna show me about my mind and what would you have me do? What would you have me say? And there's all of a series of holy encounters, one after another and shifts, like quantum shifts of shifts in perception. And even what you said, well, two things. First of all, when I was, yeah, I was involved last year in so, so many things. I had my mind is so much, you know, social media, English, Spanish, Portuguese, Spanish ministry and houses. And I was like, yes, yes. I'll do it all. And I remember in my heart that I really said in my heart to God, yes, you have my all. Like I'm divided mind. You just use me. And in that, like there was a quantum shift. It was like, okay, no, let it all go. And I was like, what? To teach now. And I was like, yes, again, like, yes. And it was quite rapid in a few, in a month. Like I just, yeah, gave all of my functions to others to take on and like clear my mind, clean my mind. And then I was given a little glimpse when I went to Mexico city of all the miracles that Jesus had in my, like to, just wanted to wash my mind with like rinse it, rinse it, rinse it so much that I went so deep into my heart. And he was like, he took me to the depths of my mind. That wasn't a trip. But he took me to the depths of love. And he's like, that was just a glimpse for me. And I'm like, oh, wow, it's such a wonderful ride. And I mean, I'm here. And then it has been so many miracles, so many encounters. I've been guided yet to go to Columbia in April. Then we're going to Chile. Then they're to Brazil and then to Argentina. And then, but I'm in total right now because there are some certain steps and collaborations that are gonna take place. And then I just received an invitation at that time from a lady from Bogota. And she says, Marina, I would love if you would come to my house, like, yeah, I can host you, you can stay with me. I'll drive you wherever you wanna go. And I felt so much the imitation in my heart. And I said, okay, yes, I'm coming. I'm coming. I don't know how it will go. I don't know where their sources will come to get there. But I trust. And then I was feeling one day, I feel that there needs to be a one day event. And then in prayer, like, while others put out their hands to be of support and be of service, we were in a meeting. And I said, I feel a whole day for forgiveness. I feel that. And then we said, okay, great, let's just schedule that day, 13th of April, we'll immerse in forgiveness and be with Jesus and clean our minds and feel the joy. And then I, like, few months back, I had thought of Maria when I thought, oh, I'm going to Columbia. So I wrote to her a message. Say, hey, I might be going to Columbia. Maybe we can speak sometime. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it stayed there, completely forgot about it. There were so many more communications and collaborations that were taking place. And then one day she writes to me, Marina had such a deep experience in the meditation and your face kept coming. He was like, bomb-burning me. We were all the poor in my mind. And I was like, okay, let's just have a call. So we had a call, which was rearranged many times. The day before I got clear it is going to be this date and it's going to be a whole forgiveness day. We had the call the following day and she says to me, so when are you coming to Columbia? She was clueless. So are you coming in April? When? And I was like, yeah, I'm coming in April on these dates and I have in mind on the test to do an encounter with Jesus at Jesus at Gospel and Love session gathering. And then on the 13th, I felt a whole day for forgiveness. And then she just looks at me wide open and just starts crying with all the love. Like something major had happened, like a major shift, like another content shift. And then she says to me, Marina, I am in Bogota for one week. And that is the week that you were talking about. And I was not even meant to be there. I had organized a whole trip. My sister called me, said, no, you're not going on the trip and organize all the tickets for me to be there for just that one week. And then she says, and look at this. And she shows her phone and she shares a message that she had written to a friend saying, I will do a one day event on the 13th. And it's gonna be a full day of forgiveness. And we both looked at us and each other like, oh, wow, only Jesus rearranging time and space for this. Like it just felt, yeah, for that moment, for that moment of recognition. Oh my God, yes, we're meant to do this together. We're meant to collaborate. And it's like, it felt so joyful, such a miracle. And also the day before Jesus had prepared me because I was praying about the event. And we were in a meeting about Jesus' gospel of love and the retreat that we're gonna have at the end of March at Casa de Milaeros for Easter. So we were praying about it and how to share about it. So, and I also had in mind to do a Jesus' gospel of love gathering in Bogota because we're gonna launch that book in Spanish. But I was just praying about the gatherings overall. And then I started giggling and giggling and giggling. I heard in my mind, Jesus said, I'm saying my plans are greater than your plans. I'm hoping you're right. I'm hoping you're right. Whoa, I got stuck back when Turner overdrags on. You ain't seen nothing yet. Bum, bum, ba-ba-ba-baby, you ain't seen nothing. Yes, something that you'll never gonna forget. Bum, bum-ba-ba-baby. It feels like, like your whole journey, you've seen these glimmers of feeling like orchestrations, like things are just being arranged way beyond the personal and you're beholding and beholding. And now it seems like tomorrow you're gonna be in Guadalajara, speaking the second largest city in Mexico, then comes the event at the end of the month, end of March. It's a big Easter retreat online and in-person. I heard that people are signing up already for that from even inside our community and outside and all around from a friend, I think from Salt Lake City was coming. But then right after that it's kind of like, it's such a wide open thing with travels. I always felt that when you're traveling to a lot of countries, you don't even know all the invitations about where you'll stay. You had a little taste of it in Mexico City. Jesus like takes you in the waiting pool and then whoosh, throwing you in the deep end in April and April and May, it feels like you're going swimming in the deep end with all kinds of invitations and miracles just sprinkling and spreading waking up every day with sparkles in your eyes and greeting the new day. What have you got for me today? So, but it's, to me, that's just the joy of actually being a miracle worker. Like you're now as kind of a living testimony for, yeah, when you do give your heart and your mind over to Jesus to direct, then that's it. Then you're a miracle worker. Jesus calls it or a teacher of God, not by credentials, not by anything in the world, but just by your faith and willingness to trust and listen and follow to the voice of Jesus within. And all those times I was speaking and you were translating, a Christian was telling me that you did a gathering, maybe it was Mexico City and you could, you could hear my voice in your mind. It sounds like Yogananda that time when he had to give a talk in a language in a country he didn't even know how to speak the language. And he just sat there patiently in front of the crowd until his guru at the time who came into his mind and then the whole talking through in that language. And people say, that's extraordinary. That is definitely not, doesn't sound human. And yeah, miracle working is really, it's giving our mind over to let Jesus use it in a miraculous way. It's not really a human, doesn't fit into a human box at all. Yeah, the one line that he's been bringing to my mind over and over is, don't put any limits of what I can do through you because then you won't know what I can do for you. And he's like, keep your mind really open. Don't limit yourself thinking that you have to do this personally. Anytime that I think, oh, how am I gonna do this? I can feel it, my mind closes down and I feel little. He's like, no, keep your mind wide open to put any limits of what I can do through you. And yeah, that, I wasn't not gathering and I was just praying because my mind is so blank. Every time I am meant to speak a word, like I go blank and I'm like, oh no. I'm just gonna have me sitting like all of these people coming in and I'm like blank. And he's like, oh, I'm just don't worry. And I remember, yeah, that one was one of the first gatherings like I did in Mexico City. And I was like, Jesus, what am I gonna say? And then I started speaking and slowly like the stream of thoughts started coming in. And then yeah, I got like all of those talks that we did and fires and glimpses of those collaborations and things he has said were coming to my mind. And I was just saying it in Spanish. I was like, oh wow, like Jesus, like it feels like I could feel Jesus, I can feel him speaking right now and his presence, he was so deep. And he's like, yeah, there's nothing for you to worry about. When you put God first, everything else is added on to you and I will do everything through you. You just stay happy with me and everything will be taken care of. You don't have to worry even what you have to say or where you have to go. And that was such a profound experience and I feel like he's building my trust too. Like, and he's making my step more and more certain every time I go into any new situation I feel like it had just to be so open-minded into every meeting, every conversation that he sends me into because I feel like I can't bring the past because I don't know what he wants to come out of it. So I just want to keep, yeah, my mind really open and like be shown what it is moment by moment. And the more I do that, the more I experience connection the more I experience joy, the more I experience, yeah, it's great that you don't know what to say. That's not a bad thing, that's a great thing that you can keep your mind clean and like let it be shown and the words will be delivered and just trust in me. Then the other day I was praying and the word that came to my mind was, oh, wow, you are making me invulnerable. You are making me so invulnerable. You're showing me that my security is in you. You know, like nothing really of this world there is nothing really to grab on. When I try to grab onto something it feels like it shakes most. And it's like, oh yeah, you're reminding me like my security is on you. And then the steps become more and more and more certain every leap of faith that I take and the miracles that come with it. And I have nothing but to say, this is such a glorious path. I have so many, many, many miracles, so many miracles. Oh my gosh. I think, you know, for many years people have said, yeah, just let go and let God or go with the flow. But actually I think what you're demonstrating is that when you have a heart of devotion and you really have let so many things just come in. Okay, sure. You said yes so many hundreds of times that that actually takes you into what I call miracles are involuntary. They should not be under conscious control because for people, a lot of times people hear the word involuntary and they say, that sounds spooky. That's, I don't want something or someone to be over control, controlling my mind, you know, all this fear of mind control and everything. But this, no, this is actually real miracles where you're like putting your mind under Christ control and Jesus is saying, I'll take care of everything that doesn't matter, which is basically time and space since it's a make-believe, it's fiction. And then your willingness and your alignment and your connection is really the only thing that you are willing and responsible for. And then the rest is all handled. It almost times feels like a fairy tale. Like it's very surreal to see everything happening. Every single detail is handled. Every single logistic is handled. It's almost, we could say to the sleeping mind, it's unheard of, you know, everyone's like, well, come on, get back to the basics. You know, you still have to handle things. But even with all the transportation and even an arrangement of gatherings and who you're to collaborate with and where and when, it's all part of a script that is basically, we say Jesus arranging time and space. That's something I didn't, neither of us grew up with our parents did not tell us, oh, you'll grow up and be a miracle worker and Jesus will arrange time and space for you. We would be like, what are you talking about? That's where do you even put that? There's nothing, but you're going into that experience now as being, it's going before you. I also remember in the course where Jesus says that miracles are involuntary, but all involuntary acts should be constructive. And I remember I thought constructive, he said beneficial, blessing, helpful. In other words, that's why you come under Christ control. That's why you give your heart to Jesus and say, you direct me because it takes away the sense of autonomy, the sense of individual responsibility, the sense of personal responsibility. That's when it, you can feel when it starts to come in, even a little bit of personal responsibility or control, it starts to close down and shut down. And then you quickly are reminded, let go. I'm orchestrating this, I'm doing this for you. So until you actually give yourself over to that, then it just seems like pie in the sky. It seems like, wow, yeah. I've had an image when you were talking earlier at the beginning, like that movie spirit. And it was like you in the mountains somewhere on a white horse, in a white dress and you were, I remember when you were ordained, you had a big white, you were on the horse with the white dress and the horse was just racing there. The wind was blowing there and everything. And then it's like you got lifted up off of the horse and started like soaring, like you were a fairy, Tinkerbell. You were doing something with the white dress. And then your eyes are real big, but there's the horse. Like I can fly, like Margot Kidder in Superman when the horse takes a flight. And that's the way it is with Jesus. Just when you think you're on the white horse with the white dress and you think you can't get any better than this, then lift off occurs and you go, oh my God. But really you just be holding the miracles is all that's happening and it's not anything special. It's just natural. It just feels natural to feel sparkly and joyful. And that's the best, that's the best of everything. Yeah, I even remember last year we were doing a session in Trivu and it was so beautiful because I felt Jesus speaking through you and there was this metaphor of the plane. The plane was on the runway. It was on the runway. It was like the plane hasn't taken off yet, but it's gonna lift you up and you're gonna go straight into it. There might be some clouds and then it's like, whoosh into the light. I felt, yeah, that I was on the runway and December was like going through clouds and unwinding and doing. And then it's like, okay, it's coming up. It's coming up. I could feel, yeah, I can feel, I don't even know how to put words in it. I just feel so much gratitude for how Jesus and the Holy Spirit are cleaning my mind and giving me a new perception. And I could feel even when I went to Mexico City, I could feel like this is my life's purpose and there is so much joy to be immersed in his mind, in his thoughts and to say yes and to follow and it's like, yeah, I don't even know how to put words in it. It's like, yeah, this is my life's purpose. This is everything. There is nothing that I could want that could possibly compare to this one experience. And yeah, it's like, I wanna live from this place. I wanna move from this place. And when I came back, I had this deep prayer and I was like, clean my mind from every past and future thoughts. I wanna live in the present moment and then I could feel him. Like response straight away. Everything, like any associations that I had coming back from the trip, he was like cutting them, cutting them, cutting them, cutting them. And I was like, wow, okay, this is feeling a little bit uncomfortable. But you're answering my prayer with no delay. Like I pray and you answer immediately. And he's like, yeah, I need your mind free from past associations because what's gonna happen next is not gonna be anything that you have done before. Bringing to the present is like, I'm gonna show you from the present moment what it is that you need to do, what it is that you need to say. And we saw a movie the other day that it's called Arrival. And the message that was so clear is, and you also shared this message with me when we came back from a movie, I asked a deep question I felt. And then the folks that are ringing and I was like, all right. And then you were like, dismiss the phone and you were very sure of the end. You said, time is simultaneous. It's the thought about the past and future that causes the distress. And then I was like, oh my God, it's the past and future thoughts. Like something clicked in my mind. And then we watched Arrival and it's all about time is not linear. Time is simultaneous and communication is not linear. It's in the mind. And the after I was watching that it's like, yes, the communication is vertical. He is communicating. Like don't try to look for the answers in linearly or like from the past or like it's quantum. It's zero. Like you can tap into what seems to be the future. You can tap into what you need to know. You can tap into the information. And then also in that movie, she has glimpses of the future and glimpses of through dreams or visions. And it's like, it's the communication of the spirit communicating like that. And I could see all the day like through my dreams and through the day Jesus putting impressions in my mind. And it's like, oh, yes. His community, like the voice for God communicates with me through all day. He's telling me exactly what I need to know when I need to know it. I have to not worry about anything. Everything gets handled through that connection. Yeah, yeah. What a narration. Yeah, yeah. When people say just living in the moment, this is a very strong experience that everything is simultaneous and all that you need is given in that rich glorious moment through that connection to Christ and to the Holy Spirit. So it's like, then you can, it's like the mind is then freed up from past regrets or past worries and concerns or future worries and future plans. Even the whole idea of planning, it starts to shrink the whole idea of God's plan down into the moment. Because I know yet tomorrow I'm gonna show a movie in the morning with Gandhi and Einstein, Freud, C.S. Lewis and commentary from Jesus. And yet God's plan is not this big long linear thing. It's actually following the joy and the guidance in the present moment. It's like that's really what the plan is. It's not a past future thing. We think of plans as timeline things but it's not really a timeline thing at all. It's just connection. And I think too, what I've noticed over the years is I think, I remember for example, back around 2004, 2005 when I started going to South America, I went to your country first of Argentina back in 2003 in March. But when I started going to Columbia and from my trip to Argentina I started going to hundreds of Course in Miracles groups UCDM groups down there. And it was like 90, 95% women at these groups. I said, interesting. The more time I spent with the women though I found that they were very tuned in and let me just say with their emotions. And I was kind of just marveling at how delightful that felt. I mean, I was the parable of David from the United States and shy and more reserved. I would say when I was teens and twenties I was quite out of touch with my emotions but this was like a striking example when I was there that these were groups of women that were drawn deeply by Jesus into spiritual awakening and they would meet with each other and they had gone into very deep connections. I would say connections of the heart and the mind it was even transcending their relationships with their partners, with their children. They were on this deep journey. And I felt that with you over these years is that sometimes people think of it more as a curse because when you're so in touch with the emotions on the surface of consciousness it's like riding a wild Bronco or a boy, it's like you're at a rodeo and the emotions are intense when the unconscious emotions are coming up so quickly and you are aware of them meaning not repressing and denying then I think it brings a huge speedup, a celestial speedup. That's the feeling I had when I first went down and I went, hmm, it feels delightful to be part of all this because it was a reflection of my own heart opening up in my own sense of getting in touch with the emotions and how much faith, how the faith and trust expands much faster because if you don't expand in faith and trust you feel like you're gonna get thrown off of the horse or thrown off of the bull right away because the emotions are too intense. So I know for yourself through that through in community with different configurations and houses, you know, our friend Vicky one time said something like, oh, that's my worst nightmare was to be in a house with a whole group full of Latin women, you know but actually there's a blessing even you can see in that that the reason it was the worst nightmare is because of the emotions it's just all on the surface. So I think that's one of the things that you can bring when you are shining and light and sharing is your brain and a practical demonstration of it's okay to be in touch with those emotions to not push them away, deny them, try to brush over them because everyone on the planet has tried those things and tomorrow's movie with Freud, you know he had a lot about repression and denial and defense mechanisms but honestly I think that is one of the great strengths that Jesus can use for authentic healing because there's huge transparency that comes when you're allowing your mind to be in touch with those emotions it also allows you to be in touch with the love you know, you pretty much is saying okay whatever it is come on and come up we'll deal with it but then when you do that a lot it clears pretty quickly and then you get this undescribable sense of love that we say sparkles it sparkles on your eyes because that's it so this is like the living demonstration of what it really means to be a miracle worker and a teacher of God this is not some kind of phrase that or some kind of thing you put a signature on your emails or Marina Colombo miracle worker no this is an actual experience, you know and we take off the limits, you know Jesus said in the 50 principles at the beginning of the book, you know miracles enable you to heal the sick and raise the dead because you made sickness and death and can abolish them both okay we see there is really no limit to the power of Jesus and the power of the mind when we give ourselves over to it that's what makes it really an adventure you know we could call it a great adventure I mean truly not going on roller coaster rides or dramatic relationship adventures those really are not always the most wonderful things but the miracle is wonderful and it is truly an adventure of trust in the present moment yeah, yeah I can agree to everything you said and yeah for me it has and it's a very emotional like I feel like I feel everything and at the beginning it felt so uncontrollable I remember that when I moved from Australia I felt very strongly that I had to let go and move to Argentina and then I just yeah, yeah I was in my parents house and I had a bedroom and I just was in that bedroom for a whole month just allowing myself to completely collapse allow all of their emotions up and cry and cry and cry and cry it felt so freeing though to be able to allow myself to do that and I feel like you described it the same way sometimes that you felt like you cried for the whole world yeah, yeah and then like that like and then I was praying you know like show me the way and then I go into that on a retreat and I was going through so many emotions and I was like crying in the middle of the retreat with everyone I was like okay I just did that yeah coming here and I could feel like I couldn't hold it like I couldn't hold it and I just had to allow myself to be so authentic but I can feel even now that when I feel like something is like I feel the natural state I feel is a wide open heart and then when I feel like something's closing down it feels death and this feels like being vigilant on my mind feels like life or death either alive or I die and then when I die or feel like I'm dying because I I have believed in a thought that isn't real then it's praying so deeply to be shown what I have repressed and then though the light that's coming to me do you do you want to see what you have hidden because it's the true or do you want to see what the last unanswered question dude I want to see what I deny because it is the truth yes the light is like behind whatever belief you had there is the light and there were some situations where in Mexico City for example where I I was feeling happy feeling happy feeling happy my heart wide open and then I felt like I started contracting contracting contracting and I was like oh no like this is the difference between life and death and then I was with yeah a group of group of people and then I was praying to Jesus Jesus please open up my heart or show me what this is and I I said I said it out loud the prayer I said I'm not feeling good right now and they could see it I can't reach one yeah yeah like my face transparency right they're like you can let me and you're like are you all right like what's going on with you and I'm like oh and I was like oh Jesus no I'm supposed to be the light of the world and now like I'm not feeling like my heart is contracted what's going on and then I just said this prayer of like well just show me like I'm here and then I heard it so clearly in my mind don't be content for future happiness for it's not your cost reward for you have cost for freedom now and I was like oh you're like I I I I could be free of this right now but actually I'm afraid I'm afraid like I was just praying you know oh show me in the future and he's like oh don't hide it from me right now and I'm like but this group of people like now is like yes now and then I just started sharing the thoughts that I had and most of them were loving thoughts about it like being embarrassed about them or shameful about them and and and then I just I just yeah started sharing and started crying and then whoosh like you said like all the love like in the moment I could feel all the love in this place like coming coming towards me and through me and I was like oh thank you Jesus like you're only asking me not to hide anything from you and just to be really authentic like I don't have to be a certain way except be with him and allow him to clean my mind and then there was another situation too where I someone was gonna leave and then I and I was gonna like you know we were we met for a collaboration and then we were gonna you were guided different ways and then we were meeting and we didn't know how we would spend the day so we joined just to see how we would spend the day and he was guy he was being guided to spend the day in some direction and it seemed like another direction for me so I just prayed and I was like oh if this is the last time we speak like I just want to get really in touch and give something that's real so at the beginning I just started sharing my gratitude for him and the collaboration we just had and the miracles that we experienced together but then he said I love you and when he said that I felt I heard it in my mind and it was very deep experience because I what I it was so strong it's like I don't believe you and I was in shock I was in shock when I heard that voice in my mind and at the beginning I I couldn't speak and then I said actually what's actually happening through my mind right now I'm feeling quite close because I heard this and I think I believe it I don't believe you I don't believe you and then I said actually I I feel like I I'm getting in touch with loss and like yeah I feel like I'm losing something right now I feel like I could lose love and then I allowed myself to really feel what I was feeling and a lot of emotion came and the wonderful thing is like it came it came it came and then I could feel all the love of God like like it was like blasting I was just thinking this is so holy this is so holy and I could feel that it was felt and then he started crying the moment that the love rushed in like it's like this glorious experience of love and I was like wow and he's like yes loss is impossible loss is impossible I told you I would remove any scrap of the leaf that loss is impossible and then the wonderful thing that happened it was a quantum shift too I have been in this casino there is the bathroom and there used to be mold on the bottom part of the bathroom and when I moved to this casino I was like hey guys there is mold in the bathroom maybe it can be cleaned sometime but it was taking time and it was not being cleaned not being cleaned I was like okay he's going through his bruises and then the the following morning I received a text message Marina the casino and mold is gone it has been cleaned it's all over his face it's sparkling new Jesus when I told you I was gonna clean your mind from the belief it's lost I was like oh wow he stole my mind like right he symbolized in a in a bathroom with mold this is just so practical like now it's gone I told you I was clear away yeah you know it's it's funny too because it's like with different things phases you go through like you've done counseling you've done mentoring I know you know you were there even when we were starting to get into scientific platform and then oh I'm gonna I'll do a Spanish one huge but I have to learn it first oh the Portuguese need help building a Portuguese platform in for Brazil oh I'll get to that as soon as I learn it in Spanish then I'll be able to actually so it's kind of like step by step there's so many things where you're just willing to dive in with your whole heart then then you're able to teach what you would learn and and actually you can give it you feel like oh yeah you know you have to have it and experience before you can truly give it away and and then maybe we could talk a little bit about guidance because that's always people are always asking you could do month-long retreats on just on one topic on guidance because that's that's where the the spirit filters through the ego belief system and gives you practical things to say and do and arrangements and it's really Jesus orchestrating it all but it it's very important and I think with this all these trips coming up you know to Bogota and Chile and Brazil and Argentina you know there's a lot people would say well there's a lot of logistics in that in this day and age you know there's flights to arrange and there's host and there's I remember all the years huge communications because sometimes you're communicating with host and the hosts say I'm afraid I'm afraid of hosting you I'm afraid to have you in my house after you've just spent two weeks setting up a gathering but maybe we could just take it down to even like with the flights because it does take great prayer and patience to let all things kind of click almost like a Rubik's cube that you just have to allow it to go tink tink tink and then it's it's there it is oh it's it's lined up the sides are all different colors and it's all untangled it's lined up but how is that experience for you with this is quite a an extensive travel coming up after Easter and and so you probably had patients involved in that you probably had a lot of communications involved in that it was probably learning to really step out of the way and and let clink clink clink let everything kind of show itself because when people say what is this stuff in like lesson 135 a healed mind is relieved of the belief that it was planned and don't activate the past or organize the present plan the future those are really high standards and ideals like how do you take a trip that involves countries and continents without without all this planning because many people feel like their their minds are stuck in in planning mode but that's more using the past to plan the future and this is more opening like wide open to the simultaneity of the moment and then just seeing what shows up and and then being willing to accept it and say yes when you need to say oh yes I confirm this and that how was that whole experience for you with with these upcoming travels yeah it was yeah in the the one lesson that was coming to my mind especially after the retreat the yeah the time I spent in Mexico City was that lesson if I defend myself I am attacked and I felt just saying I be really open minded and you will be shown and at the beginning I we were praying and it was like oh I feel Brazil and Argentina but it was just a feeling and then starting communications not knowing exact dates or times maybe having a rough idea then just putting it out because I wasn't even sure if I would go to Argentina how it would happen where the resources would come or the timing exact timing of it but as I put it out someone just reach out and said Marina whatever you need do you need flight flight tickets and I was like that's obvious like I don't need to figure it out it was a feeling you know it's confirmed okay okay I I feel like I need to go to Argentina and then the same thing like with Colombia I received an invitation from someone to stay in her house and but she was like I'm open whenever you feel for how long you feel and but it was such a heartfelt invitation I felt oh I feel like I need to go to Colombia but again I have no idea exact dates and I don't have the resources where would they come from and then I started moving that direction of looking into possible dates for Colombia but and Argentina but nothing was quite landing yet in terms of timings and then I received a message from a lady in Chile and she says Marina I would really really really love you for you to come to Chile and I was like oh that was out of the box I did not have Chile in my mind at that stage but she said but I don't have any course groups or anything but I just really feel it in my heart and I said thank you so much I feel your heart and I will leave it to prayer and see how it evolves then a few days happens she writes to me again I really feel like you need to come to Chile I'm like okay Jesus if you want to make it really obvious you have to provide like a clear invitation to extend or or why would you want me there or how would the resources come and then I received another message from a lady that has all these course groups I think you froze yeah there we go we're back okay and then she says to me Marina I live in Chile and I have this I have this group that is called Tertullias with Jesus it's like a gathering with Jesus and I was praying and I was praying and I she was saying I feel like I need to invite someone and then you came to my mind so strongly and I feel like you need to be here for our next one and I don't know this is an idea and then I also have course groups and I would love for you to join all of the course groups and be here we would love to have you and I was like oh my god okay I I feel this now like I felt like Jesus is inviting me to the table and I was like yes I'll go I don't know how it would all flow and then I said well you know I would need plane tickets and the resources for me to travel there and she said leave it with me I'm gonna talk with the group here and then I they talked and they said yes yes we'll organize all the gatherings we'll use those gatherings to fly you over just come and I was like okay I'm going to it wasn't even on your radar screen no it's just being open and being shown okay here and then it became clear okay I have two months because it was spelled that June July we will be doing some Spanish and it's not announced yet we're going to Christo maybe uh mystical Christ Academy I just saw a download today writing there was a post out for the English one that's coming out already out for April and May and she was like it was in Spanish so I had to go to my google translate she was saying what about Espanol what about Spanish so I typed into her yes keep an eye out keep watch out for June and July but but yeah I like that it's it shows how that the script is written and that everything is taken care of so most of the times when people think of a trip they think of having to personally figure it out and make all the plans over the years with Francis if Francis became kind of like Trinity in the Matrix movie you know can you and you fly such and such helicopter just a moment you know the one she actually had a download for where we would go and the flights we would take for an entire round the world trip we had just gone around the world we were in a hotel in China I think in Beijing and we were just in there she prayed she booked all of our flights for the whole trip around the world after we just had come around the world and I think that's what you're showing here is is when people wonder how does this guidance work it's like it's like we can't really we can have ideas in our mind of directions but we can't really know like chili just popped in there and came in very strong it reminds me of one time when I was going to Europe and and I knew I was going to Europe but there somebody wrote to me and said I'm the only person in Brussels Belgium that studies the course I'm the only one in the country of Belgium that studies the course I was like the next day that was a woman then a man wrote the next day and said I'm the only I'm the only student of the course of miracles in in Belgium and I was like so I said I think I need to write so I emailed them both and then they met with another woman at a at a restaurant and then what unfolded was a gathering at a farm in Belgium where people from like seven countries came it turned into this massive outdoor event at a farm with farm animals and us talking about Jesus is like Pentecost you know it was just but it started with two individuals writing to me on consecutive days saying I'm the only person in in Belgium to studies the course they just the next thing that came back from them was we want you to come here and and they said we have just one question and the one question was can we keep you to ourselves or do we have to share you and I wrote back share they went discovered other course groups and then the whole gathering were from seven countries Germany and Austria all over they came but that's what I think is the important message is that we're not in charge when you're a miracle worker you're just willing to connect with Jesus and be used and then everything just flows from that like the whole trip I mean every aspect and there's still some aspects probably maybe with Argentina that is still more morphing and you don't know exactly but but that's that's down there ways so it doesn't morph yet but you don't need to know what it will be because it's it's out of our hands and happily it's out of our hands it's a it's a struggle to try to to plan things way in the distant future when we really aren't meant to do that we're just told I think one time I I just completed a big conference in the United States with 500 people of course the miracles conference organized by Tony Pondicello and as soon as the conference was over they were doing them then like every two years and as soon as it was over the next week I got an email from Tony saying okay we're doing it in such and such a year at the holiday and it was like two weeks two years in advance so I just prayed to Jesus and I said what about this thing and he said say yes I'll arrange it's two years and he's like say yes you know it's part of my plan and just say yes keep saying yes to my plan so you know in the end we start to realize it's it's fun because we're not personally in charge of anything we don't even have to have personal responsibility because it's a we're really responsible for our state of mind being happy but we have to be so surrendered to be happy there's just no way to try to take the reins back and maintain the happiness yeah and yeah looking now as how he has gone with guidance and I just feel so grateful even for you know when when I felt the invitation when I was praying in Argentina and I was like praying to Jesus to show the way and then we had that we had that online retreat and then the invitation came like oh marina well we will have a retreat in one week maybe you want to come and serve and you know live how we live and stay in an emotional state for a month I was like okay and like I'm willing I felt it like throughout the whole retreat it had been so healing it had been so deep for me I felt such a deep resonance and I felt I feel like this is where the spirit is guiding me to I don't know where I'm going I don't know where I'm jumping I don't know what I'm saying yes to but something feels very deep and I feel like I need to follow it and I had to book the tickets the following day just to be in time to for the retreat that this was on a Sunday and the retreat started on the Friday and I was in Argentina and then I said I prayed with Pete in the community and he was like yeah yeah book the ticket it feels good and then I tell my family I'm going I'm going to Mexico tomorrow and they were like what? What got into you marina? They just went on a holiday they just arrived I'm like I'm going to Mexico like so many parents are out of blue and it's like all the you know thoughts were like how are you gonna leave where you go and I'm like I don't care I'm going and wow like wow it has like it has been such a blessing I feel like yeah like miracles are everyone's right but a purification is needed first and I didn't even knew what needed to really be purified in my mind I didn't even know how to solve it or how to clean it or but I had so much like that needed purifying and I felt yeah for example I was so shy I I was so embarrassed to speak I felt like I have nothing to say but something in me like felt like I like there was something that wanted to communicate but I always felt so shy and I was like I don't know how that ever would be healed you know like or things like I used to yeah love traveling like but you know like going out and restaurants and I think I'm like how are you gonna undo like my desire for the world it feels like very sticky in my mind like although I feel like I want God I still have all of this stickiness there and then realizing like being here and allowing myself to be used the blessing I received by being used by saying yes to whatever was asked of me you know cleaning like cooking translating and then you know and even with when there was simple tasks that's what I needed like that's what my mind needed and when there were my days were so full with so much communication that's exactly what I needed or when the translations came I felt like I needed I needed all that truth to come into my mind and then realizing how it has you know I felt yes that deep emotions like like I was in a washing being clean and clean and still am but I'm very deep like I needed a deep and I've been in the deep rings I'm purifying I'm purifying and you know I used to translate you and you would say you know yeah forgiveness offers everything I want you know you have sparkly eyes and in those moments I was translating and I was happy when I was translating but then I would cry you know like so many emotions come by I was like when will I have sparkly eyes the backlash you know backlash but yes it's like oh every step every step like it's a guidance like every step was so guided and not even knowing I don't have to know I don't have to know how to how to how to forgive it's his job I just have to be really really really willing and then follow the steps and allow myself to use and then we also realized at the beginning I felt that I was the one doing it but being really willing even though I felt I was the one doing it and then reaching a place in my mind I remember there was the pandemic the pandemic and that was just recapping a little bit that was very important too to really follow guidance because I was guided to go to Australia and pack everything no pack everything or give away everything or sell what sell it and this was said two weeks and I thought it was crazy to go for two weeks and undo everything but I went there two weeks like the first one I did everything the first week the second week there was a relationship and something like that I needed to let go of in my mind and then he the second week was to let go of that relationship then I fly back and then boom pandemic I was like whoa like the instructions are so specific but then if I follow each I really received the blessing of following to the tea I didn't remember calling you from Los Angeles oh maybe I can stay here as you were like well maybe just come to Mexico I've been another house and I was like no I didn't undo my whole life and left everything go just to be nearby I really want to dive in and then I started diving in and all the rinsing that came through that era but how much I was used we were doing online retreats we were doing movie workshops we were doing online gatherings and yeah I was I was putting a leadership position like the Spanish ministry and I was with both Anna's and you know it was I I felt like I had given my full heart to it my full yes but after a year I could feel like my heart calling you know I need rest I need rest I need to let go I need to let go and in that prayer it's like you're like okay that's it no more Spanish retreats by themselves they're gonna be combined with the English was and movie workshops yet combined with English ones they're gonna be simultaneous translations instead of consecutive and then I could see wow like that was a deep and doing because in that you know yes yes you can use me I had a touch marina like what I do like what I do is what my value is and what I do is actually what brings me joy right now and in that moment but my heart was saying let go let go and then the steps were given to let it go and then the the liberation that happens the healing that happens that yeah they letting go that happens it's like oh and then love coming comes rushing in like I love you your worth is established by God now it's not established for what you do or what you say yeah yeah you kind of did the whole spiritual self-concept thing because you you said yes a thousand times and we're so willing and then felt it's time to rest and let go and then quickly very very quickly things were shifted we went from having kind of a Spanish ministry a Portuguese ministry and an English ministry to okay we're just miracle workers for God and and those are just symbols and languages and now with his trip you're taking here we are doing this whole talk in English and then when you go to Guadalajara tomorrow it probably will be in Espanol with with a lovely host and then when you go to Bogota with Maria Del Mar and Espanol Chile Espanol Argentina Espanol but Brazil is you know we we do have friends Dianita who's quite quite skilled tri-lingual but but then you're really just going to shine your light just to be there and and probably be translated into Portuguese into Brazilian Portuguese so it shows you how all it is is about the big yes but it's like an old country song by by Kenny Rogers you gotta know when to hold them cards card game know when to fold them know when to walk away and know when to run you never count your winnings when you're sitting at the table time enough for counting when the dealings done Jesus is is basically dealing it moment by moment and we just have to keep saying yes to whatever is given us and that is to me the surrender it's it's letting go of the past it's letting go of the ego it's letting go of control it's letting letting go of autonomy it's letting go of of personality traits it's you know anything we both were kind of shy at the beginning and a little embarrassed and then now we're kind of being used as these these puppets are kind of mouthpieces and we just said yes you know this was not part of a plan neither of us were thinking oh yeah i'll draw out my life plan and i'll travel the world and i'll speak in different countries you know no no nothing like that we jesus said don't let the one hand know what the other hand is doing well we're seeing that on a daily basis that that miracles are completely involuntary and and joyful and this is this is mysticism too i mean maybe you can share a little because you know just like with francis you you had a career you you weren't even in your original country you had a career and a life going down in australia it was in the sydney area you had that whole thing going and then back over to argentina for all the tears and all the purging and healing and then quickly online and then flight to mexico but you know mysticism is really not so mysterious when you actually pray listen and follow you know it's it's just like it's a given it's a it's a natural movement it's not some kind of mysterious strange thing and sometimes i've heard people say of course the miracles is is not a mystical path if you believe that then that will be your experience of just studying a book for maybe 30 years and intellectually bantering concepts around but this is actually a living experience of the christ this is that's beside my here the mystical christ here where we have all these online courses and all these events going and things but actually this is an actual just expression of of living a life of mysticism and and i guess our message is it's it's extremely joyful our eyes do sparkle and don't be afraid of it it's only the ego that's afraid of the mysticism it's not who we really are who we really are is the mysticism it's it's the spirit so it's it's beautiful to be used in this way yeah yeah it's beautiful yeah i feel yeah like everywhere that jesus speaks through a course of miracles touches straight into my to my heart and it's an actual experience of feeling god's love and by following his guidance in how he is rinsing my mind he is giving he's freeing me from old beliefs and giving me a new perception and as it's getting cleaner and cleaner like this like the awareness of him becomes more brighter and brighter and brighter in my heart in my mind the love the peace the joy becomes more consistent as i say yes to the practical steps that are given me and i feel yeah i don't know the way i don't know the way to you god but you do know the way to you so i will just pray and listen and follow and then you'll show me you'll show me and you know yeah we i don't want it as a concept i want like i like i want to put every word to the test and i want to know and i want an experience and then finding that that is like it's true it's true like i am safe and i am loved and god loves us so much so much he wants to gives us everything and every time every moment he's telling me i love you i love you what comes over and over again like all of these travels all of these trips it's like yeah it's not about that it's about i love you now i love you now like jesus told helen it's not about a course in miracles but he still felt like for her she's still you know how to type it down but it was not about producing something it was a letter of love from god and jesus to to our hearts to who we are and i feel like every step that i'm given is jesus saying i love you and every miracle that i behold is him saying i love you and yeah it feels like he's changing my perception arranging the perception over and over and over again and i feel like i was mistaken i was mistaken over and over and over again and he's so joyful to have been wrong so that god can show me like who he is and who i am in him and yeah the one thing that was also coming to my mind right now is the movie that has been so present lately and it's needle in a haystack oh yes i even remember the first time he showed it because the first time he showed it you were you know exhilarating happy and you said enough of ddd darling with concepts you had followed me enough already you have followed its teachings now it's time for joy now it's time for us to see and i was like in spanish and i was up here like into the present moment with you when you were so joyful in that experience and it has been coming to my mind but that movie is sort of about you know the quantum shifts and the arranging of perception in time and finding the love in the acceptance of the present moment he was trying to find it in circumstances places people and then their lesson was it's not in them it's in the acceptance of the present moment and irradiate the love irradiate the joy from that acceptance and you bring it to where you go you don't find it outside yourself yeah it's such a beautiful quantum movie right yeah it's perfect for anybody who's watching this and thinking wow this sounds wonderful but i got some pretty serious relationship issues that are bogging me down then they could just go to mwege.org and and sign up and go to nido on a haystack and was it what was the title uh nido yeah nido on a haystack nido on a haystack no time nido like it was it was it was a play on the word nido on a haystack but nido on a haystack because it it's about collapsing time into i mean people say that sounds kind of interesting quantum relationships you know like you mean like einstein and quantum physics comes together with interpersonal relationships yeah oh yeah and it's joy because it's being in purpose in the moment and taking away all those past thoughts and those future expectations and being just carried in the love of god but that's that just shows you how practical this is it there's so many different resources and tools that they're just there all you have to do is just type something into google and and they come flying all up all over the place but so tomorrow let's see you're you're going to guadalara what time is your gathering tomorrow at 4 p.m 4 p.m okay because we've got a a pretty interesting movie i was talking about it today we're going to look at gondy einstein freud and and c.s. louis all with clips and and movie clips and then jesus's commentary so you'll you'll be there for that then you get to launch down to uh the big the second largest city in mexico for your first gathering like that in guadalara so it's just it's it's full speed ahead it's quantum physics baby love radiates oh beautiful thank you so much for for coming on today because i feel like uh i also put your name in the title of this live and and also uh down a little bit below in the description i put a link to your facebook page which is kind of nice facebook you can just message somebody so here you're experiencing marina speaking english and sharing from her heart very fluently and articulately and then uh i know we have some friends from espanol that will we'll want to get this and i want to put something where are the subtitles you know we get but but i think you know yeah if you want to invite marina to come and shine your life europe africa uh you know you name australia uh haven't been to australia for a while the pandemic's over you know uh just write to marina and just say wow i like your sparkle and uh i would love to come and have you sparkle all over us and share some of your sparkle then do it just just invite her and it's really pretty wide open because we do have uh our easter retreat coming up at the end of this month which still their space is open for in person you'll be speaking sharing lots of things at that event and then taking off for this big trip to bogota and chili and brazil on austria and uh argentina and then um i think probably it feels like you'll be involved in the the the june july uh spanish mystical christ academy because it's going to be the first one um in spanish and it's something that you've poured your heart into to just to set things up tribo de cristo and the whole thing but then who knows uh maybe there's been a little bit of talk of maybe having a perhaps an event um at the end of july at the end of that uh spanish uh mystical christ academy and then yeah it's up jesus you know you're just open to accept invitations so if anybody's watching this and you feel to just go to marina's facebook page just go down to the description go there message her and and uh she can handle the messages pretty much in in any language but it's mainly spanish in english without all the the uh google translate but so just thank you so much for coming on and sharing your heart and wow things are moving so fast it is quantum it's just all feels like it's all in this moment and we were feeling all of it right here and right now and uh just i'm so grateful just so grateful for you in my life and and all the blessings you've bestowed on myself and everyone and the and pouring your heart in it you know it's you know it's it's like st marina i don't even know if there is such a a name in history but we here it is now so you're you're like st marina just shining your light and and your love and yeah everybody the angels are just with us thank you so much David it's been such a joy to share this moment with you thank you so much thank you i have nothing but gratitude thank you beautiful okay everyone hope you enjoyed this little holy encounter this blast of holy encounter and uh it's it's been a joy God bless have a beautiful day