 Alright, welcome everybody. I'm so excited that this meeting is happening. It's been in the works for some time. Yeah, I mean like six, seven months something like that and we're finally here at the kickoff meeting for the volunteers and I am excited that there's 11 people here and I'm excited for all the positive feedback that we got and I know that the energy I Know that the energy that you guys have it's going to make this awesome. So Welcome and I think we should go around and do some introductions What I'm going to do is I'm going to call people out just so there's no confusion about who's going next And I'll go first. So I'm Marie Norden. I am Fedora's community action and impact coordinator It's a long title for community manager of sorts I've been in this role since November of 2019 and I've been involved in Fedora since 2014 so My involvement with Fedora really centered around graphic design and Fedora badges. I I led up the Fedora badges design aspect of that sub project worked on that throughout the years And now I've stepped into this role. So I work full-time To help the community in a variety of ways Organizationally with initiatives, etc. So That is my intro and next I will pass it to Alberto Thanks, Marie. I'm Alberto. I'm from Mexico. I am but ambassador signs maybe to Jerry's echo maybe I am here for help everyone to Make this new initiative so ambassadors a more active more healthy in the community and On this way we can get more evidence get more contributors and And it's that is out Thanks, Alberto. All right. Next is Justin. Hey Turn my video on there for a second So my name is Justin. I've been my handle and IRC your telegram is JWF JW flurry I've been involved with Fedora since 2015 and I have been an ambassador since Like the end of 2016 2017 I'm really interested in this work because I've seen I've worked with a lot of folks who were ambassadors Way longer than I have and I've gotten to learn from their experiences and the things that they Kind of the past lessons of the ambassadors from five ten years ago And I'm really interested in ways that we can continue including more people bring other people in and I think this This revamp is the way to do it. So I'm really excited to be here. I'll throw it back to you, Marie Awesome. Thanks Justin. All right. Oh We're getting more people. All right I Apologize if I mess up anybody's name, please correct me next to the John V if you'd like to introduce yourself and we can come back around Osama Yeah, hello, I'm Osama Secondary computer science and regurgit from India John V is my friend and I bought all these people John V sums here So she's not speaking but she will find and I'm second-year student And I think we can have more people in open source community. So I want to contribute to this Thank you. Awesome. Thanks for being here. All right. Next We have Sayak Hey everyone I Hope there's no you go from my end. So hi, man. My name is Sayak. I am Open source contributor and have been contributing to Fedora for A few years now, but I was never very active on the community side of it So recently I started engaging more with the community In the last one year and I also work at Red Hat as a senior software engineer I'm mostly into web development, but I also dabble with a lot of dev options So I have been a Fedora user for almost 10-12 years now and Yeah, so I have been like contributing to many roles like localization testing design You know, whichever thing I thought I could have some kind of an impact when I tried that So, yeah, I'm pretty excited about the federal embassy to Sweden and that's why I'm here. I think I can give back something Awesome, thanks Sayak. All right. Next we have Christian Christian would like to introduce yourself Hi everyone. Do you hear me? We can hear you. Yeah Yeah, fine. Sorry for the delay Always a meeting. Oh now I'm having trouble hearing you. Do you hear me now? I'm sorry. I try again. There we go. Go ahead. Still there Christian Hi, sorry, I'm a little late No worries at our we're just doing introductions. I Will call your name out in just a moment I'm gonna skip over you Christian if you want to do an intro in the chat Next is Shams If you would like to intro yourself Hey everyone, I'm Sanjtoday from Kulkata, India But I am a second year student Me and my friend want to contribute something So we have noted We have not so much experience in this field Still we want to help out some contribution give some contribution in there. So we are here to gain some experience Thank you Welcome Next is circo Do you like to introduce yourself circo? Not sure I'm not sure if they can hear. Yeah um Okay Next we have so launch Next we have umar Hello, yeah Hello I'm from Nigeria I've been contributing to open source program like lander and I Awesome welcome glad to have you here. Um, then we have ripple Hey, uh, good evening. Good afternoon. Good morning. I'm ripple. I work in federacy infrastructure side of things. Well, I try to And I'm very excited to be here. I'm looking forward to help as much as I can That's it All right, so that was everyone but I left the best for last Or I don't want to say the best but our fabulous co-leads mariana and sumanchero so We um, you know as mindshare committee. We came up with some names of people who are You know, they've put a lot of time into the community. They know it well And they've organized plenty of events and you know, they've have experience doing ambassador things being in these different teams. So We have mariana Bala and sumanchero macaragi who agreed to co-lead Um, this whole task force with my support. So mariana. Do you want to introduce yourself? Um, hello everyone. I have you here with me Uh, thanks for joining our meeting today. I am mariana I joined the project Back in 2016 I have been Organizing photo events either local and One it's a national one. I have met some of you at the two flocks that I have been And I'm pretty excited about this new initiative that we're launching now Awesome. Okay sumanchero next So, hey guys, I'm sumanchero. I work for the federal QA team I've been in federal for uh, since 2016 And this I mean, I welcome you every one of you on this call and we are looking out for your support questions any discussions and Hope to spend a lot of time with you guys Here you are Awesome. Thanks sumanchero. Okay. There were a couple people who I missed you They came in later or their audio wasn't working if anyone else wants to intro themselves now Go ahead. I see edward on the call. Maybe you want to say hi And christian, maybe Hi for sorry for the Are you here me now? Yes, we can. Okay, perfect So i'm christian. I'm living in spain Um, you have ambassador, uh, a few months Three four months, I think and I know have a yet a project to To help uh with fedora But I think I happen to to hear uh, hear you about the the projects to to come help and You know, it's uh I I need um help fedora something Um Method, I don't know. Sorry That's okay. It sounds awesome. Thanks for being here edward. Do you want to go? uh Hi Well, I'm never lucena. I'm just part of the mindset committee. I try I will try to help you in everything every way I can Hopefully we can revit revitalize the the ambassador program. I'm ambassador Uh from latin region. I was previously in venezuela. Now I'm working on chile It's been a while since the last time I organized an event and but I want to to retake that approach because there's no more active ambassador here in chile. So Hopefully with this rebound I can retake ambassador activities here in chile Thanks, edward Circo, are you able to hear us or intro yourself? We can't hear you. Maybe you're muted That's fine. If you don't have audio, you can just uh put something in the chat Okay, so we're going to move on past the intros Um just to keep things moving along The next thing that we kind of want to just talk about Is a brief description of the rebound right and what it's all about So i'm just going to talk a little bit about that Um, so the ambassador program is uh, it's a it's a long-term program It's been around for a long time way before my time in fedora And it's experienced a lot of successes changes Um and over the years, uh, it just didn't quite um You know, it didn't scale but as the fedora project scales, you know, and it maybe needed to evolve And it didn't quite evolve in certain ways You know decisions were made by different bodies that affected the ambassador group There was all these kinds of different things that contributed to It kind of going to a bit of a decline, right? So over the years, I heard you know stories from my fellow contributors about ambassador program and kind of continued to hear those stories as I came into this role and um I also uh, I So part of what I do is I work in red hat In part of a team called open source program office So something I did with them was a book club. We read this book called switch how to change when change is hard The great book I would recommend it to to anyone who's interested in community management or change or change management anything like that And so we did like a case study after we read this book on fedora ambassadors. I'm like Talking and thinking about what exactly needs to change Because changing a huge program. It's like kind of like this Huge idea and it might seem overwhelming like what are the actual small things that we need to do To make this program work, right? so I you know, I had these conversations. I I gleaned the mailing lists for all of the different things that I gleaned the mailing list for all the different things that people um were struggling with or frustrated with or You know, maybe they had challenges with over the years We put those together and you know said like what are the main issues here The main issues are there's not like enough support or clear support There's not like a clear structure for who's doing what There's all kinds overlap and resources left and right There's not as much transparency about decisions that are being made Um, you know, there's so there's just all these kinds of things, right? So that's so I have this You know a case study that I was armed with and a bunch of caffeine And I just sat down and I I hacked the proposal together in like two days I said we're just going to make this happen because really in the end it just takes some movement and some people who really Um really care about it, right? So okay. So we're here. That's the background. That's how the proposal Um came to be and actually I I think I'm going to pass it off because I've been talking for so long um I think you know, Simone from Mariana. We can kind of mirror some of the stuff we're going to Well actually looking at this agenda we wrote up Um You know what? I guess I want to open this up for just like questions off the bat or like You know just like general comments That kind of thing because really from here I want to have an understanding of like how much you guys have read the proposal How much you're aware of like what needs to be done, etc Like we can talk about some of those things Or we can kind of focus in on Exactly what this team of people is going to do So if you want a better we could go into like a better understanding of the overall picture or we could talk about like Hey, this is what this team is going to do. So maybe drop in the chat If you feel like you need an overview of the whole thing right now Or if you're looking to you know really like jump into Um some tasks Justin, that's helpful. Okay, so a TLDR of where we are now, right? So I can Mariana, do you want to give us an obsess of what we're doing with the Trello board? so, um the proposal uh was introduced to the mind share, I think around july and then Mindshare proposed a few names to lead this initiative and two of them was myself and Sumantro Uh, we have been meeting together with Marie Sumantro and myself with three of us Since late july and trying to give this initiative a shape The very first thing that we did was um created Trello board For everyone who's not familiar with Trello is practically a task board where you create different tasks assign them to people and then track activity and How the tasks goes I think someone shared the Trello link you can check and you can propose um I don't know any changes or any ideas you might have for that that might help us during the process Uh, this is what we have come up with for now. Some of these tasks are ongoing tasks Some of a few tickets have been opened to the dmi team and the commops team and we have asked um From these two teams from one to contact a survey and the other one to contact some interviews Uh, this is the very first stage and phase of everything This is the first volunteer's meeting that we're having Uh, we have also published the blog post on the community blog That described uh, that was published in august that described our progress since that moment The next one will be in 10 days. I think the idea is to have one every month In order to let the community know what is going on and where we're at and also the different teams within fedora um So this is it pretty much cool, okay, so Specifically to this team. I just dropped in the link and this is kind of the the three main tasks that um That this team is going to be working on okay so a lot of There's going to be like a lot of different aspects to the the revamp overall like maybe like logos and documentation But this is what i'm going to have you guys working on okay So there's a couple things done here, and I think maybe sumancho. Do you want to go over them? So, yeah, so the very first thing that we came up when we started thinking about this task force was How to so there there was an ongoing debate which was happening for a long amount of time where There was a question of who is an active ambassador and how do you Classify if they are active or not in general and there was no criteria that fedora had which Told us right of the bat who is supposed to be considered active So when we tried to kind of clean up the group for ambassadors to know who are the people who would be actually be interested It became very hard for us because there was no set SOP for that So we hacked around a bit and we brainstormed with marie and a lot of other contributors in mind and we came up with A script which would basically look for fed message activities for the last one year and the fed message activities if you don't know is Basically any activity that you do in the federal ecosystem with your fast account So it would be packaging or qa testing design badges Any kind of tangible work That gets tracked and essentially we would be clubbing that up with Some non-fed message activity like writing a magazine blog post or community blog post participation in federal meetings and stuff like that we'd be taking that into consideration to find out a bunch of active ambassadors and we would do a bit of Ambassador group cleanup as you will. So that's the very first thing that we would try to identify There is a process how we are going to do it. It's not going to be like we run a script and we tell you it's going to be more of like We sending an you know A mail to everyone who is a current ambassador and telling them To reply if they don't or if they don't reply in two weeks or we don't get a response then we are we're gonna go ahead and You know move them to something like ambassadors, emirators Which is a new group that we we are creating and we would be putting all the ambassadors to ambassador status and There would be a document how to get yourself back to ambassadors If you are tagged wrongly as ambassador and emirators, so that's that's also that's the very first thing of this task The next part is what we what is the core identification point for Everything we wanted to we found very small say in commops It's it's a big large team which has a part of join advocate ambassadors And you know it does a lot of things what we want to do is we want to consolidate that entire thing into one Single commops dot page where it would be very easy for people to understand and Understand who is doing what and that addresses the question that we have been trying to Ask from the community for for a certain amount of time So that's the second task which if you look at the thriller board it says Roll handbook that would basically be like who is doing what and it's it's going to be like You know gather to gather feedback from ambassadors Mindshare mailing list tickets and then putting that up on a on a you know docks page as a as a final thing The next the next part of this The the next part of this is the commops ticket. So there was a commops ticket which was filed and I think Murray would you like to talk about the commops ticket a bit? So the commops ticket is actually That's for the commops team. So the last point for the you guys the ttf the temporary task board Is um the mindshare seats, okay? So we basically just need to think and formalize a process For those two seats because there will be an ambassador seat And a commops seat and currently there's really no process to be changing that Now I have the insight that i'm on mindshare and actually over on mindshare We are talking about the process for Putting new reps onto the mindshare committee You know being able to circulate more people out so that they can experience being in a leadership role or You know give a different perspective to the committee. So I do think that It's still something that we want to consider as a team From our end as well um, so So I think um Okay, sorry. I got distracted there I was looking at the third item, right So the mindshare seats We might want to pause on that one and come to that one a little bit later Just because I know mindshare is working on it, right? So the first two tasks might be the two Um to really focus on now. I want to take a second um right so If you have specific questions circle definitely put them in the chat Um, we're going to try to avoid stop energy here um There have been things that have been tried in the past. That was a different time We are here and now and we're going to put our heads together And try to do our best Historical knowledge on what has worked and what hasn't worked is super helpful So I definitely want that input But I don't think we can say That it's definitely not going to work again. It might work With your you know input on it and with you know new perspectives. We're in a new time So I do want to say that This this especially the role handbooked task is a chance for us to think about what it means To be an ambassador in 2020, right? Like the ambassador program as we know it has started, you know back in the day when We were burning CDs. We're clearly like we've come A long way from that, right? We live in a different world. So this is a time For like, you know these minds here. What do you want? What kind of tasks and what kind of things do you want to be doing? As an ambassador in 2020, right? This is a chance for us to change and evolve that And like even potentially be like a leader, right in this fedora is a project that people look to For for different community things. I've actually heard that people, you know model after our ambassador program So we have a chance here to do something really really cool So Um, right. What's the task for ambassador? So the task for ambassadors Um Community outreach it's definitely not about writing that magazines and packages and so on right so It's supporting So we can take a look at just the revamp Wiki page if somebody has that link handy It's in the chat. I found it. Um We want to talk a little bit about you know What they're going to do you can go to This This link specifically But that conversation is really a bigger conversation, you know, like What is the role of these these different teams? Like, you know That is what that second task is so i'm not trying to Figure all that out this moment and I don't think that we can Um, I think we can start the conversation about it but like For example, we have you know chance to do virtual events now. We have Social media we could you know set up some kind of Social media chain where we're all sharing tweets and making sure everything gets promoted I mean like there's really a lot of different things like we could you know work more with the sign team on getting like updated graphics to put on social media Um, these are the kinds of things that i'm thinking of but I have a design mind, right? So my mind comes from like these Infographics and I want to make pretty things to share on social media platforms But I know that there are other ideas And other minds and other places that you guys are hanging out in so we need those ideas too about Um, you know, what is a modern ambassador? You know a tech or open source ambassador What does that look like For us, right? So I think that's actually a nice thing we could put in this document we have Like just asking the people who are on the call right now what does a fedora ambassador do In the year 2020 Oh, go ahead Answering it immediately would be a little early because that's also kind of the responsibility of what this task force and people who have Who are trying to figure out together? So that will be the also a goal of what exactly mindset responsibility is So right now exactly saying, okay, this are these are the two things that ambition has to do anything else Maybe too early The people working on it focus on it. Maybe work on together collaborate give your ideas and in the end Once this is successful, we'll have a very nice Handbook where we can exactly identify what are the things you are supposed to do as your ambassador specific role. So yeah Right. So so yeah, we want to talk about And brainstorm like the kind of things that we want to do And then we want to streamline those processes, right and make and basically Make all the resources and make the the path to that happening as easy as possible Right for new people for us to do we want we want to make our new processes Um easy and clear to to to function Um, so that's going to be like part of it. So I think If we can uh take some time Uh between now and the next meeting or however it's going to go there's Parts that are up in the air and I Thank all of you for your patience Um, I know that there was a little bit of uh, it was a little bit rushed with the meeting So I'm thinking um that we'll have another meeting next week, right? So we can reflect on these things. We can introduce anybody who's new Um, and we can kind of get some first steps and want Everyone to kind of be able to marinate in this stuff And think about it because it's not just about You know getting into the docks and doing this. This is a brain task for us, right? Like what do we Want this to be and what do we want it to look like and How are we going to get there with it and I know that like there's some really cool ideas out there Cool circle. That's totally true, right? Um And I think so circle mentioned in the chat that it's like letting people choose their own way on how to do things and I think that's Great and I think that there are some people who Um that works really well for but I think I've I have personally heard a lot of stories from people who are like, we don't know how to get resources We don't know how to do this thing So we're just going to do our thing off in the corner not really attached to Fedora and they're not benefiting from the resources Um that we could provide them whether it be monetary support or some Guides on you know making the event a little bit better or just you know Nowadays, we're going to be using things like hop in right? So we want to be able to give that support um to The people who want it right so there are going to be people who choose To do things their own way and I'm just going to say go ahead and do it your own way That's fine, but there are plenty of people who are looking for guidance And want a clear process right? I'm just yeah, I'm reading Over here Edward that's a really good point, you know, and how do we How do we um How do we adapt the revamp to suit that? Because everyone's cultures are going to be different Um, you know a release party will we would throw in the us would be different than a release party We might throw in Mexico City, but now it's all virtual So and we're going to be planning the release party together. So that adds another layer of confusion on top of The kick the covid confusion we have like in the rest of our lives, right? Um Well circle, I do have to say that there's we can't undo the past right And I wasn't even involved in the ambassador program at that time And there's you can't you can't undo what happened in the past So instead of that we're going to try to move forward and heal and let go of those things and um Try to embrace like a new path forward, right It sucks what happened and I think we can I think there's no one here that's arguing that things Progress or evolved in not a great way, but that's not something we really Really want to rehash we've done it a lot. We've done it on mailing lists. I have it in the revamp It's not worth spending more of our time Like really just focusing on that So so I think you know, it's been about 40 minutes. I'm going to open the floor for comments questions um Whatever you guys want One of the things that I always think about in these conversations is um Thinking about how we can Decentralize some of the things some of those pain points from the ambassadors before Where we had just one way of doing things and that one way of doing things didn't always work in different regions um, I'm just wondering what are ways that we could Better adapt the processes in 2020 so that folks can Use the knowledge and experience they have of their local community because that's what I think is so important right, so one thing I included in the revamp was um the translation team being a part of uh, the revamp process so that we could actually work on like Having translations of the different resources that we're going to make For local areas. So I think what we should do Is do the ones that we know for sure Like say we have a flyer For an event, right? So we make it in English and then we make it in these 10 languages and then forever for any for any person or you know didn't get it in their language They're able to request it in their language That kind of a solution that might work towards decentralizing The the whole crop like that kind of thing like giving people The resources in their own language I'd be curious to hear from people like Mariana and Alberto to just have those things work in In other countries because I think I I'm hard to comment on that as a native English speaker Well, uh I was an asset, but uh for me the the last release party I did Was in fedora 26 and I remember requesting the the The flyer from to the design team And I translated by myself I was in the text in English, so there wasn't there was no translation from From the design dialing translation was done me in inkscape I think that's the part that maria trying to reach here to avoid that I'm also remember when we translate the A chit chat cube Or from english to portuguese because the translation don't exist That is a amazing cube for a with some comments in In every face is very cute And we translate it to portuguese because the translation don't exist If I remember that from someone of Making some ambassadors on that time So if I can share my experience with translations, I can say that translations was the very first Thing that I did within fedora. I created my pass accounts out a translation sprint that someone else had organized And when it comes to posters and fires and for every single event that I have been involved as an organizer I waited them by ourselves on our local language so That was not a little more like a huge problem for us Was it it was something I waited? Sure. I also just happened to know that your community is Like more artsy Am I wrong am I right am I? Uh, yeah, you have like designers in your local community, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not surprised um, but it would be cool to offer something um to you know, just Of the rest of the community where there's not a lot of designers. I think you are Just in a lucky position To have designers there, but um, I can agree with you I mean like it i'm not going to try to police people and say oh you can't use that poster unless it's You know like Squished the fedora logo and just looks like complete, you know trash or whatever But like, you know, it's fine if other people use different posters That's fine. They can go do that what we're going to do is give resources to people who do want them Right, so that's what we're going to we're going to focus on that crowd of people because The confusion about who's doing what and what we're here to do is Is part of why this got to where we are like, what are we doing? Why is what's happening? Right, so we're going to clarify that we're going to clarify process That's what the role handbooks are all about More questions talking about a lot of serious stuff over there over here. So uh lighter questions Do we have a logo for the ambassadors program? So we currently uh, I I don't think so there was like an like a Kind of like a standard fedora logo like where you put in Certain texts with the fedora logo. I think that might exist. I'm not sure where But It's something that I want to do and mizmo the design team leave Jumped on the original ticket and said the the design team's on board and since we have All these different things under the community outreach bubble Um, I was really thinking we could have like a cool logo set of like five six logos, right? We have comm ops team. We have advocates ambassador ambassador America's and join and they're all versions of a community outreach So I'm just imagining this totally rod set of icons that we get to use and Make swag with etc. Etc Maybe even you know something that people can wear On camera or at events when we're eventually getting there. Um I definitely think a brand is going to get people on board for what we do Yes, definitely. You'll see in the revamp proposal that there's That part in there as well. I'm just going to read the chat here Um, yeah, so swag is definitely another conversation That needs to be had And it really I think in the end Like they're the process that we have of making swag right now through the mind share committee Works really well And if you don't know about that process we can talk about that process, right? So mind share is the one that approves swag That is how that works If we needed to have some kind of special case where we needed something In a specific amount of time or it was Way way more cheaper or Etc etc Circle it's been working great for about I don't know since I've been here. So a year I haven't really had really any complaints about swag um And people have been getting it. So I think we're actually doing really great as a mind share committee on the swag um Circle I have not seen a request for swag on the mind share committee repo from you So I don't know what you're asking me for So I think that we need to to I don't know if it's the the way that all ambassadors are always towards against mind share Uh We set a lot of ways to communicate with with all regions and people were always, uh There were people that adjust the new processes I think in latin it was very well except for for brazil that have a really really big problem with the qstone But uh There is also a lot of people that complains a lot. I ever do something or approach any of us in the mind share committee to to to try to solve the problems And people seem to be stuck in the past we need to move Forward when you start to stop saying we are going to be replaced from advocates We are not taking a And we're not taking into account anymore because now they have they want to replace us with advocates Or they want to move everyone to a meritus. Oh, please stop that Please stop that just read the documents try to reach people if you have doubts try to Okay, please stop to be stuck past. That's the idea There is no Replace anyone it's just to create a new for everyone. That's the idea. Yes, edward. I could not Stop being the passive one It's enough. It's enough So one I might like to add Um since sometime that you know Mindshare was formed if you look at the ticket queue if you look at the number of issues that were fired We have uh, there was a time when it took about two weeks to even uprover event request and we got it down able to Three days and far. I remember we had even a Sla to confirm the event and get the vote seen within a week But even even switcher were much bigger than $500 to $1,000. So we we we actually got Things working Mostly when it came to mind share So I think this I mean this is the thing that we want to continue forward with I mean that worked really good for a lot of regions So, uh, this is a bit of Okay, I just wanted to go ahead of late My own perspective to this. So swags are one topic that I've seen Has been the issue of debate across a lot of communities and it's not just fedora or fedora ambassadors Uh, and I've been around long enough to see the previous ambassador programs. Though I was not a part of it Um, and I used to hear this complaint from a lot of people at that time I also saw this issue in a lot of other communities uh, so I would probably say that if something works, uh, currently if something is working good friendly Uh, it's okay. But at the same time, uh, since we know that this is a problem area that can anytime uh You know escalate into a bigger problem or has the potential of Turning into a bigger issue. We can probably, uh make sure to Keep monitoring the swag situation from time to time so that if the current mind share model is at some point, uh Starts failing or starts, uh Not performing well. We can also at the same time look at other options like okay, uh, if shipping slides does not work as uh into to some places because of say, uh Government regulations or something like that. We can look at, uh, other possible options of local local procurement and stuff But those are things that we can only start looking at once we actually go ahead with the revamp and step by step Take a step by step approach towards identifying the individual issues Right now and figuring them Them out, uh, we had a lot of issues in the past. Uh, that is a valid concern Uh, let's keep that in mind and start trying to develop a model around, uh, you know Uh, it's probably something that I have an analogy from the software world That is uh, if something is failing try to be agile about it and try to figure a solution for it So let's maybe just jot it down somewhere that this As a potential of being a problem in the future Let's just yeah, I just want to add Historical piece on top of that because I think that that was a great a great add to Um, I think where some of the frustration is coming from is that we tend to look a lot at the The process which has changed a lot over the 10 years But there's also ways we can think about equity and other ways with things like shipping times Like even if we have a process that works in a process that works fast me as an american in The us i'm going to be able to get things a lot faster than someone who is in Basically a country where red hat does not have a cost center. I think So I think there's potential for us to really think in new and interesting ways about How to explore local partnerships and collaborations with places that we don't have Strong logistic support from the red hat side for getting things out Maybe working with local producers is a really interesting way we can think about how to approach this But I I really think that we have a process that does work and I think like Sayek said was I think we have to really start with this revamp and approach it bit by bit and I think this is the right path And I think maybe that might be some of the background to where the frustration is around swag in terms of the things that aren't process that aren't Fedora making decisions the things that go beyond that So I that's why I knew it wouldn't be really a 10 minute conversation It's a lot to unpack there But I just think there's some it's helpful to explain some of that where that frustration might be coming from But thanks Justin. Thanks, Justin. Okay um, we only have a couple minutes left and the Fedora video council call is coming up right after this and it's starring your ambassador co-leads and me talking about the ambassador revamp Um, this is something that they put me on the calendar for months ago and I kind of forgot about it Here's the link if you want to join It's going to be a lot of the same stuff. We just talked about But it's going to be geared a lot towards the bigger picture So if you want to come and learn about, you know, the bigger picture and sit on in on this video call Um, you should come and come and join us, but I really quickly want to say Thank you so much to everybody who showed up here today Gave their thought gave their time gave their consideration Like someone is typing so loud. I think it's Justin. Oh no. Oh no It's okay Um, but yeah, I'm so so excited for this revamp and I know that there's been challenges in the past, right? But we're gonna overcome them like If you look at the revamp I put a pledge in there and I'm just gonna say it really quick because I think it's important for like Where we want to be moving forward with this, right? So comm ops team members. That's everybody here That's the ambassadors the join the comm ops All that we can recognize when something isn't working and want to change it We're willing to grow and try new things We believe that we're in control of our own abilities and we can learn and improve We're excited to learn new skills. We take action We encourage our teammates and try to understand their ideas And we understand that failure Is an expected part of change And we're willing to adjust as we go along Right So those are some fair farewell words. We're going to get out An announcement for the next meeting and we'll make sure to put that in You know all the places that you're gonna see it So if you don't hear anything, it's because it hasn't happened yet Uh, you know samontro and mariana are volunteers. So we're gonna just thank them profusely Yes, thank you mariana and samontro and everyone who came