 More or less by chance I ended up getting a job working in a rice research project in UC Davis because rice is an important crop in California and so there was a project there led by Neil Rettger on rice genetics and I started working with him as an undergraduate and that was in 1975 and basically I spent my whole time since then working on rice except for a brief period at Icarusot. So being there at Davis working on rice I got to know some of the people who visited from from Erie, Gurdav Quish visited at one time and I got to meet Ronnie Kaufman who was not a breeder at that time and so I became aware of the project of the Rockefeller Foundation to give students an opportunity as students mainly from the U.S. to give them an opportunity to work overseas in one of the centers and so Ronnie Kaufman helped me help set up that opportunity for me so I was able to do my thesis research at Erie on heat tolerance and after I did my thesis and when I was looking for a job of course at that time I was still interested in staying in agriculture and I had an opportunity to go to Icarusot to do what they call an international internship. I was working on sorghum at that time so I found that working on sorghum was quite a bit different than working on rice. I kind of missed the work at Erie in particular so about a year after that Erie expressed an interest that I would come back and work on rice breeding at Erie and so I jumped at that opportunity and was able to come back and resume my career on rice.