 By the way, I am very happy to be here and I hope you are a good year, a professional and a professional man, and I am sure you will like it. So today we have a panel of people, some I met for the first time, I've seen them on TV, and three of them I've met, two of them, all of them I've, somebody I look up to and I've taken advice from time to time. In the last 70, he's been in the history of India, and he's kind of experienced this time in Vila. So this panel really doesn't need an introduction, but Shri Yalov is an engineer, in the public history, he's been in almost every major post paper in this country, and he's very celebrated with his books, and he's made himself relevant after working for almost 50 years in Vila. And you know that balance, you know that's the most important quality in my analogy, you know that's part of a jury of the 11th district who will be a new broadcaster, the third or fourth time in the jury, maybe fifth time in the jury, you know, there are only two people who will be there, for being in balance in front of the jury. Mr. Shahram Mohammad, in the focus of the moment, you see how I remember him, I believe in training people so that they can come here, and I want to finish someone with some of the various things that are about to be shown in the beginning. Mr. Shahram Mohammad, thank you very much for that, Khanshaham, I got the book Khanshaham for the last two months, I saw him on television in the focus of the conference party, and that's Rabi, the unit group. He don't know about the party, maybe he has to choose. He don't know what any defection is. Okay, I understand. You clearly don't know about it, all right. Yeah, and he's a great art group, he studied in the course of the Harvard, he studied in the lion, and education is a domain that gives him this very much of life, and the mission is to change his body. So, he has a chance to again pass but not the least. We are somebody who, you see a lot of times in television, he's been kind, he took a big time, he was a burden to be had. Mr. Gaurav Mahadev is a lawyer and a professional, and he's one of the most forceful ones to be on television, and sometimes very convincing too. So, thank you for being our friend, let me start. Mr. Gaurav Mahadev is called, who's the most forceful living eco-champer? Who, the most forceful living eco-champer? Yeah, he's not like this anymore, Mr. Gaurav. No, they're not. Where do they live? They live in the middle of our information, a lot of ideas. Now, feedback can be received, and I think this is up to them. Okay, let me see, I could do facts versus rhetoric. If there was 5-5 marks for facts and 5-5 for rhetoric. I want to give you all the secrets today here. Mr. Gaurav Mahadev, you don't have to make a question like this. How much marks will you do on facts, and how much will you talk? I believe that it's about articulating the point of view in a way that we communicate the facts. I don't think rhetoric should be done in that configuration. In many cases, it's not the whole place in my opinion, in the industry. Even if you are facing it from the other side. Okay, Gaurav, coming to you. Honestly versus what can I do? Honestly versus what can I do? Thank you for giving me this opportunity to be here. And I must say that being a spokesperson is not an easy thing. And why do I say that? I say that because, you know, when you speak of a spokesperson, you don't cease to be an individual person. Second, you represent the party, and you are the voice of the party. So, you have a very wondrous task of ensuring that you speak for the nation, but you are also speaking for the party. And last but not the least, your own conviction in something that you are saying. I think balancing that itself is an art that's post-person, master. And we must give it to them that, you know, sometimes tough portions are posed. That is the time you have to ask. I'll give you another example. I'm a lawyer also. So, when I speak, I speak for my party, I always speak for my nation. And I will also speak something which is legally correct and which is in line with the constitution. I cannot say something which is not in line with the constitution. And I must say that, you know, it's not rhetoric. Yes, there is a presentation to make it interesting for the viewer because the viewer has to also enjoy what you are saying. Then it has to be back with data. And most importantly, every word that you say you should be first convinced about it. Now there is a problem. The problem is sometimes your own thoughts are not in sync with what you are representing. So what do you do? I would say that because your responsibility is also towards your country, society, there are two things you can do. First, internally within the organization. And I have done it in the past. And I think it requires courage to speak within the organization that you serve and you tell them that this is my viewpoint. Either they are able to convince you or you convince them. And nothing happens. So they are located, I must share, when you decide that you know they are better suited individuals within the organization who will represent and why, because they are convinced to be like you. So I think this is the balancing act that a spokesperson does. And you also learn, like a lawyer, a spokesperson should also know sometimes it is more important to not fear things than to say things. So you should be aware of that also as a spokesperson. I was happy to see on the last panel, we have three women and three men. At least we have one woman who is very happy. So I feel God will talk about the present condition, talking factually like and then propagating the politics of therefore. Isn't that a great talk to all of you today? And how do you do it? You know it is easy for God to say it here but it is more difficult to do that. A couple of points, one I would like to say to us which you did not mention is that I am a dentist by profession. And it is not being a spokesperson. Now I know why Dr. Pathra was fighting this on the show. It is not when you have to be out there, I think that I mentioned that it is not something we just make up or I might not believe in that at all. We have to believe what we are going to say out there. It is a tough job. And I just recall the vision and said that, you know, what we spokesperson do, they just come in and they have to go. No, we have to do a lot of research because we are the face of the party everywhere on television. When you see that, you know that whatever this person said is the party guy. So we have to go on facts. And another very important point is I have been sent on GDP debates, I have been sent on economy. And that day I keep researching for two to three hours because I do not want to go on facts. And sometimes on legal issues I have been sent. And I think he is right because as a dentist I look at the legal issue as a layman. And I try to convince my point of view to the layman the way I see it and not like Gaurav would see it as a lawyer, he would see it in a different manner. So that is the modern part. And it is important that we believe in a line which is factual but not made up and sit on facts and not tread. Continue to be honest to our country, the people out there and never go wrong. Never be on the ground reality. That is important. You know you have been in the general office here. You were there when newspapers were crying. The TV started. And I said every minute you are on TV. You are an editor, expert. And somebody who has a perspective. And there I say I am not saying modern in their perspective. But by your long years here having some various parties, various people a certain background, perspective. Honest here, I know you are a very diplomatic person and a balanced person. You have a pretty balance. Do you really believe what they are saying? They balance the issues with us, the facts and their parties. Do many spokespersons believe in that? Do they come across that? Does the house believe the spoke person to that? How many of you believe that the spoke person are only about to be shouting and getting the most hearer voice and taking the party's point of view? Let's see how many of you believe that? How many of you believe their balance and they don't live in different sectors Let's see how many of you believe that. Some are not decided. How many of you believe that? I think the better they decide from the viewers or the readers who believe that they are the real judge. Basically what they believe is what they believe depends on their leadership. How the head of the media sale or the party to raise a country. What I believe is that in my experience as a friend when you are committed to the ideology not only research but if you depend on the ideology your commitment to be a public strategy to get Nehru and Ritra Gandhi and then you get the Alabathya and then Lohia and then JT so I think it happens earlier because I don't know Shri Mataji, have you remember Shri Mataji when you read something about him? No, I have to be honest. That's the book, sir. And Varun Manjali, have you made or heard something about JT Mataji to be JT? I think it's Manjali. He himself was a spokesman or both active leader. So that's why I believe in the common party and Shri Mataji just for one background. The government's days from Mrs. Gandhi's days he was a spokesman, he was journalist. That's why I'm comparing. Nowadays he was so still basically joint congress working and even when he was very close to Mrs. Gandhi used to go to space, to home in a Rajan Nagar Prasati but he used to write in Dilman criticizing government. I see there should be such democratic parties they should encourage that people sometimes they disagree and they also encourage them okay, you disagree sometime when you go and stick on one point, your ideology your nationalism or Hinduism or socialism or community or caste or religion okay, you come on for those issues but to speak something if you feel disagree nowadays what you're thinking is one scenario you're saying is a different case because time changed and now because he shifted to some for other reasons that's why he decided but he's not the party life he's not speaking what he should what he used to get from those people who he's criticizing either in business houses or the party leadership so that's why we see the comparison nowadays what is happening I think the spokesmen, they are doing better for example not because he's here just now Raviji I think Raviji is here but I disagree with him if I can write about income tax and Raviji can talk about why can't when Shamji is an educated person if she went down Shamaji she speaks something she can also talk about income tax maybe I'm also an expert because that's why he is a little business world also but sometime if you are prepared you can talk on different issues but one should be prepared on this point in the world I won't do it nowadays what is happening inside I know because all the parties in different parties you must be a friend when I used to go there from time to time Sonia Gandhi must have sold the money now if I go there what will happen if I don't do anything where is he doing the problem is if you speak with me people think that you are an expert in spokesmen and even like Raviji said don't side with each other you are a guest accept it this is our problem we want to force what we want to listen we should try to act together that's what you meant now what is it lawyers if you can we get two more mics why do if you look at the number of spoke persons over the last 15 years 20 20 percent of them are lawyers is there a certain what are the lawyers that can be spoken I would say it's a privilege that a lawyer has and you must have seen that you need in which country lawyers live for the time and with utmost respect for other commissioners I think when you use your faculty teams and you have the most brilliant judges in your student court and you put forward a point and you are invited to be with me if you can and therefore I think it's good for Indian faculty that we have people like Krishna greatly on one side and we should teach them on the other side it creates the right kind of lines and both are so convincing I must say that if you hear Mr. JT you will say yes and the moment the other side will speak you will be convinced so I think it's good for democracy that we have such brilliant minds and I think I am also learning from them but I think professionals people who are educated who have the sense of actually serving a country what dedicated should come forward and politics should not remain an abuse for the common man they should not feel I think it is time that a country deserves better leader people who are here to serve people who are not here to take from the country but I have a point to make say if you allow me you know it's not only about spokesperson I have been debating for the last 8 years now virtually on every channel anchors 2 things I like to also share with you audience here it's very important the anchors and the media have a very important role to play you know where the problem lies and I will give you 2-3 small examples the choice of banalism the trickle that our verdict comes the honorable Supreme Court says that it is bad it is unconstitutional it is against the spirit of gender equality we see in a debate and with all our political differences debate we see probably somebody who has a background say that this woman should be at home not outside our house has a shift and on the other side people like Shama, people like Dhan Shah in very educated people understand the value system of our country how do you expect these people were right to understand to debate this issue with a person who doesn't even understand these things of our constitution and then you are well prepared because the audience wants that they want to hear an educated discussion on facts, on reality not just words which have no meaning then there is suddenly a rebuttal from the other banalist who will hit you below the bed who will become perfect who will get your party in between who will even try to touch you the sad part is I think any honorable and first immediately need to be without a second waiting for the dignity of the guest that he's got for the respect for the audience you know what I have noticed they will wait for 2-3 minutes first let the standing match shouting match continue and then suddenly they will come they will equate their two and then say brother, sister if this is not tolerated then why didn't you say from our channel here Shishracharya is the guest here Dali is the guest I think channels also need to understand that you are catering to you are catering to such a vast audience not a single word which is not in the spirit of discussion should be you know said on a national platform or a state platform Sanjay wants to start I think as we look at what spokesperson is doing we have to look at the artifacts of politics and on page 3 we see a minister in the current government may use distortion this is unnecessary code so you have strategic commission Mr. Mohan who has 56 years of experience in that his code is being presented as big news then we have the situation and it's important to look at the situation that is going on in the country I'll work this five words if you have a situation that is out then we should be rational to say that we can get away with whatever we spread we have a situation where we have to back up the prime minister so that is and then we have an atmosphere where Baal Ka Banandar Baal Sibhaal what you said I want to say honestly about my experience in the last two years I saw a base which is now passing I just saw a base where a bunch of new fresh post persons came with a white set he met our party's social media he was very popular what I would say is that we have to get out of this we have to realize that technology has come in a way that means if you look at the videos and eventually give a convention that we had covered I came up with a class where they did a rating of a CEO versus an in-stock where they said that the software tells whether the CEO is saying a truth or not based on punctuation based on the pricing in new course whatever we say on television technology will be able to analyze on this and give us a convention score use a tax score so we have to understand and we are getting public records it is not going to be just the issue of today tomorrow if Varan, Ayushama everyone of us stay and expand our work in public life we will also be measured about on the footage that we have created on our point of views on various issues and whether we stand against the technology time effort the biggest topic is equal change isn't it true? I can change the right now you know they are immediately pushing in which they think I mean like for example the difference what Anastasia says last week there has been no television time in 2014 so when you create such things like that when you do not you say there is this CMI report where there is 6% unemployment and you say that's wrong there is an NSO report about again unemployment that is wrong NSC came out with the GTP that was wrong so what we as those persons or as a person from the Congress party is that if there is a problem if there are farmers suicides there is not going to be an NCRB report after 2016 we do not have a report we do not have any farmers who commit suicide so what I am trying to say is in the end we are all Indians and what we need to do right now is there is a situation if there is a problem with the GTP let's sort it out if there is a problem with farmers suicides let's sort it out but why hide the facts why keep quiet if there are issues we need to solve it and that's why we can't as a country whatever it is we need to address what is happening right now in this country and come out with what we can do I mean we cannot say that there are not going to be any terrorist attacks there will be and if there is one we need to discuss we need to question we understand that Pakistan has done it we know that but we also need to find out why there has been a certain intelligence we need head story like when 2016 11 and a half in our time when UBI was head strong we who minister is the partial designer I think you left a comment what I am trying to say what I am trying to say we will not be even tomorrow if it's our party we shouldn't be in this sort of echo chamber where we have to see the brown reality and see to it that we work for the Indians out there let's be truthful to them even to your channels or anyone else just look at me once in a while so the opportunity I believe is not really in the Hindu maya man when you ask a question to the audience I don't know see the thing is I am not there the world is not there to achieve a certain degree that history has never measured a guy, a woman, a man a leader who spoke the ghost number of words so here is not about rating for us but what where there is an opportunity in the way of all this then when something like this scales out it's also an opportunity for Gwala Avod for me to look at innovative creative ways once we identify the problem that we face the problem that we have as a fact agreeing on a problem itself is a problem defining what is a problem Gwala, what are you saying what are you actually saying every country across the world right wing forces are taking over the leaders of those countries have made it fashionable to criticize press constantly negative network Clinton news network constantly raising the wall against the press and bringing down the credibility of the press and you look at Turkey you look at America I don't think the trend is just compared to any one country so in that I think when you talk of fake news the media people are the affected party but can I add to that when it happened in the US a CNN reporter was thrown out from the press conference he was not allowed to speak he was going to post and he would come out of the press conference so that is what I am going to say is we have to if you have a right to view you can have a left view we have the right to dissent so think once again we do not have the right to dissent it's going to be like a brush tool which is going to explore for a democracy to sustain to go forward it is very imperative that we have the right to dissent not really every party almost every party if you be when the media become power they make it a point to allude to the erosion of credibility whether it is the only one we know not everything that the media does is wrong not everything is because there is a certain viewpoint and I keep saying the media people have to come from mass media they are normal people we are the same red blood like everybody else we have to come from mass media some other center so we have a point I can make the government of the day will make sure that they have to look media adversely for them we are helping them how do we help them people like the partner people like you people like Diwari really see within the boundaries that they operate I would say that I am reminded of the famous lines of Gandhi you will dissent me with me but I will give my life for your right to dissent me and that will revolve and I must say that yes my friend today's discussion is not about the regular issues that we discuss every day on prime time therefore I want to get into the politics of it employment, data all these numbers how youths have been empowered we do it day in day out today's discussion is on a different kind and I would like to shed some light on my own he said it right he said you wouldn't be remembered by the number of words to his teeth say where he was showing Indian expertise do you know the bravest piece of journalism done by Indian experts itself during the American agency there were no words on the front page it was left blank that was the bravest piece of journalism as a mark of protest second the problem starts when the uncle's job is to ask the most difficult questions to me to other parties as well it's good to take sides you may have an opinion but it can't be that a journalist also becomes pro-party and I see that this is pro-party I will not give you any names because I am on the principle I am not on the purpose I take my message to the audience what I am trying to say is in journalism one day you could be handling one party but the other day if the opposition is wrong you may be asking the toughest questions from the opposition that is your job I am not saying for all journalists in our country and any institution would only survive on the stand of good individuals but I am only saying that a journalist cannot afford the risk of being aligning with any party when a journalist is dutifully questioning the prime minister for a 1 hour 40 minute interview and then of another party without taking it politically calls that journalist liable I think that was not justified because you are taking away from the prime minister I see what I am trying to do that this is a discussion where we should lead the room with some broader thoughts not just party life and therefore it's not about Congress or BJP or any other party these are all things that journalists should be asking I wish I was one but on the contrary journalists have a problem with children would you not agree and would the audience not agree that say on one day if a party is done wrong journalists is questioning that party the very next debate the opposition might have done something wrong so you have to question the opposition but what has happened that you know specially from all time which you see they have never covered a story on the other side of the fence that I think is the dangerous thing because while they are questioning us in debates also journalists have to remember their job is to ask the opposition you can't become a better spokesperson than the spokesperson of the party so leave that to us we have capable individuals all across party lines and we will respond with all the strength honesty that we have and journalists should do their job of asking our questions today the situation has become like this the problem is as I mentioned in the second dimension they are the head they will say you go and see the journalists they will say you are the old man you are the old man you are the old man you are the old man you are the old man you are the old man because of your party belong which party belong the problem is the Why not the leadership they think that is to a huge journalist and they think the same thing happened, you know even I remember I had heard from number of UBC, UBC base, what happened. Every time also there were journalist in the party with the UBC on the proposition, other friends were with the Congress or I don't know, they used to be something else different. So it always happened, in Malayamsu place, Allah knows you remember, but what happened when theators came and said that I went to Lucknow, they kept it in front of me that this is a letter, they were asking for a sugar mill. They told me that there are 4 letters from Akhbar. It's the problem and now it's not today. When Darya was in the railway, there was a problem from Mrs. Gandhi but before him. Mr. Goethe Agnir's B.G. Vargis, by the way, he is a journalist. What did he say in this? He told me how the pressure was. How did Alun Surya take out Ramnath Goethe? What Alun Surya was doing at that time. So the problem is, people, our friends in the government are the holdings. They don't know how much pressure, I was in Bihar Patna. Now Ramnath Goethe used to abuse me. Rajesh Madhura was there. Now all the times, when he was in Shunma, he would cry for 250-6 years. Even when I was in India, I don't think about the Bihar Patna. Those days, in 1965. You know, what happened? Sadaal Andhrae, now he is no more. He used to say that he used to face such problems. He used to say that he could be a digital item. Now he says, oh, oh, oh, this is dangerous. I'm going to save the world and India, I'm going to save Bihar. But the problem is, journalists, they should be ready. I always say to journalists, they should be ready to face challenges. And in his books, they should not be personal against these encourages and the anger should not be left behind. I want to end this. I want to make it all. By the way, Swaraj, you are now on TV, and I am working here. Another note? This was a respectable thing. What did I do? You know, I have already told you something. You are the favorite four persons. You are the party people who have come here. And you are the one who has come here. Do you want me to cover you with an admirer of mine? Or, you know, do you want me to think about it? You are saying that even when I was in my first fight, they were speakers in other parties, that I have admired and learned from. I think I am a JTG. When you were talking, I swear, I was giving you the glimpses of the way you talk, but I don't believe that. That's a huge compliment. I don't know whether I deserve it or not. But I must say, I will get to know him when he speaks. He speaks like a stage character. Second, though he is not the spokesperson, but I think Narendra Modi, I am not saying it because, you know, he happens to be the prime minister, or he is the, you know, the chorus leader in that country. But I feel Narendra Modi, has some great potential for ancient skills. But that he can't do it. But this spokesperson, then I think Sridharth Naniji. This spokesperson is amazing. Sudhanshu Sridharth is a wonderful spokesperson. A wonderful spokesperson, he is grass on history, his ancient skill, I have learned a lot from it. I even know beyond Narendra Modi, I want to make a few comparisons around the other side. Clearly not Narendra Modi. I would say, you know, I would not like to discuss it completely. Yes, but I believe that people, I admire those who live up to certain standards. You may lose a debate, but never lose your reputation. That's the first principle of the spokesperson. Okay, and that's all I am going to say. But yes, even in the Congress, Dr. Abhishek Panjush Singh, a lawyer of our excellence, a great spokesperson, very, very talented, Manish Diwari ji, again, is a wonderful spokesperson. And I must say, you know, when we come to know that this is your fellow panelists from the other party, when you hear these names, you get charred by them. I spent extra half an hour preparing because, you know, I want to live up to the expectations of the audience. And I think it is their energy that brings out the best in us. This is for the journalists. Because I am saying that we are connected. We are connected to our own people. We are spokespersons. Without you, we are not complete. You may be still complete, love. He used to say, he used to walk alone. People used to say, the work is done. The work is done and after that, the journalists are left alone. The fearless journalists are very alive in this country. And I understand that the young journalists who have come here, who have a lot of experience with them, I understand that our country can only be protected by the fourth pillar of democracy. Without any fear, I would like to ask you a question. Thank you. I am not a party leader. I am not a party leader. Because we cannot ever be a party leader. We have to do it. At least we have to... I will say this that I am not a party leader. You know one thing. I have been in the party for a long time. And I have seen many things from the inside in the last few years. Many people have been in our party for a long time. And we want the media to at least ask questions from the inside. You know how many interviews have been asked from the inside. And secondly, you cannot hide until you are ready to vote. You could be. So, the most favorite vote in your party is the one in which all the work is done. All these are good people. And the most favorite thing is that you fight with this door. I think that if you don't look at the government in the last 5 years, an artificial Hindu was born in India. If you look at the government in India, if you look at the internet 100 times, if you look at it 5 years ago, if you look at it in India, if you look at the country where the language is spoken, you will see the language. So, I think that we are the spokespersons of India. We have seen this in many interviews and you have said that in the Indian Tico chamber, the web, WhatsApp, social media network is the source of this. So, if you look at the spokespersons, they break the Tico chamber and you have a good feeling and the country is good and you are responsible for this. And they think that the spokespersons are so good and so good and more than that, they think that you want them to be standing in this door and you want them to be standing in this door. Who is your favorite vote? The name of all the people I think the first vote is coming and I think the performance party is very good they have made a lot of mistakes and we have Jyubil Singh who speaks very well and Sushita Bair I think the performance party is very good. You are absolutely good in the audience. You are perfect. Let's not say you don't like it. I think we should I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I guess I mean We are so if you understand the subject and you feel for it and you know what you are going to say I said no, we are not going to go with such views. Why should we stand and please we will go with the line that it's un-Islamic, it's not in the Holy Quran, and let's say that it should go. So you can also argue with him and say that this is not the right thing we need to put up or you might, we should have discussions. Should we bother with that? Why don't you start from the part of the jubilee? No, you don't. You start from the part of the jubilee. For me, I think in our party in Zahirun and Nusbutiwala, Abhishek Mahmood Singh Ji, Papil Singh Ji, excellent. I'm sorry, his party, one of my favorites, he's a gentleman always, he doesn't interrupt, he's got all the facts right. There's a book on it. I'll tell you a book on it. Another one. If he's not there, he's always been there. And the one that you're puffing up with, you're puffing up with who? In the party, she's from Mumbara. And she's just, I don't know, I don't remember her name, but she's a high school student. And I don't like anybody in person, I'm saying that you drop out of the jubilee or you can ask him this way, because they're all educated. We have to show respect. At the end, we should remember that we are all Indians. I'm not an enemy, I'm an enemy. Abhishek is handsome, Nusani is. And that's the most important thing we can do. We can have different viewpoints. If you can, I'll try to find a name that can do it for you. Although who's your favorite football player in the comments? But Manish, by nowadays, Manish is very balanced. I think Abhishek, as you've been, sometimes, he's also very serious, very serious person. But I think Manish is very, very, very good, never fight with other colleagues from other parties. And from other parties, as you've been, he's also one of the people out there. And we are very used to abuse, you know what I'm saying? No, it's OK. But I think that's why Abhishek Patra was so aggressive. I think that's why Manish was very aggressive. I think that's why Abhishek Patra was so aggressive. And what they should follow, they're immediately in Sushma Zohar. Basically, even Sushma is also a sports player. He's not the right guy there. He's not the right guy there. He's not the right guy there. He's not the right guy there. But I think in Sushma Zohar, he's a model in the BJP at that time. That's why Abhishek Patra was very much played. He would lock us at Wadi when he was number two in the BJP. He was very useful. We used to precise several times, writing against him. But he used to talk very clearly when he was injured. That's why he was very, very, very good. Gaurav, I just want to thank you for the last word. But I want to thank you for the last word. My word, I want to thank you for the last word. My word, I want to thank you for the last word. I think Gaurav has done so much for me and him. I was in Samar Jwadi and I used to follow you along. Because you always precise with your points and facts. So, and he is always very good at getting some knowledge, always, when we are always with facts, so he's good to me. I'm a back home model, sir. Yes, with facts, you know. And we come out and, you know, let's go. Another one, Sushma, give me another point of view on this. Let me tell you, and I don't know the theory, but my theory is that Gaurav has become you three better than me. He's less aggressive, he's more balanced, he's always forced to continue. But he's more certain of himself, maybe he's a non-number, maybe he's established now. I find him much more pleasant. And I'm not, you know, I find him more sure of himself. And I, even if this is a big talk of facts, I don't know what Gaurav is. I was watching yesterday, I was going to ask, they were very thrown down into Gaurav. He tries to, you know, I just think they are what they're saying, they put down all the magic, so that they, it can be, you know, I think all the both persons are getting matured, they're more confident of themselves. So, you know, see the better version of them. That's my view. You know, I would say, I don't think it's better than me, because there's a story in it. It's very important. So, if you listen to this, when we listen to seasonal people, this is the party, then we think there's a lot of other ways to learn. We'll learn a lot. And I'll tell you the truth, because people who step out, learn, the art of actually being a good spokesperson is not only confined to the studio. Can you come out of the studio with all the heated debate, all your differences opening in, you know, the discussion of each other, or shake hands at each other. That is the spirit of being a good spokesperson. And that's why I'm saying, Manzil will go in, Manzil will go in, he will protect himself. That's what I'm saying. Thank you. So, obviously, that can also go on. Thank you. Please give a round of applause for Mr. Kumar. Please give a round of applause for Mr. Kumar. Thank you. Mr. Kumar, I have a quick question. I want to ask you about a passion, or a passion that has been felt. Does this happen with me? I think it happens with many spokesperson. Many times after breakfast there are 4 courses. In 4 courses, there's 11 courses. Without even lunch and dinner. It's so easy to learn. Yes. And why am I sharing this? It's the passion that drives me. It's so beautiful. The second thing that happened just now, is that our channel is wide open. Sports person's work is very difficult for him. You will believe that sometimes the camera is on and your eyes are not open. But you hide it. You are forced to run. But you have to maintain that balance. That the thing should go away from the world that even our weak point is weak. We are talking about that. You will believe that. We are talking about balance. That the thing should go away from the world that even our weak point is weak.