 Oh, let's do if I warning Hello, everyone and welcome back to for the minions of the weekly show where we talk about overprime predecessor and Ethereal I don't have to say like all the other stuff anymore fault leaving kind of stripped it narrowed it down a little bit We got an exciting show this week Since last week like all the things have happened predecessor put out a really good video for Decker overprime put out, you know, they're Their final beta test and a bunch of videos and a whole bunch of stuff in ethereal has a new skid for marina We're gonna take a look at that a little bit later as well I'm your host the man goose joining me as always is my friend and co-host jelly knees. Hey, don't jelly I am fantastic man goose. I'm happy to be back after my vacation Get your butthole bleach down. Yeah No, I'm happy to be back I was so sad that I missed all of that news last week, so it's it'll be good for me to catch up this week and give you guys all that hot jelly Wait a second all those hot jelly takes there you go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, totally Viking with us as well as always welcome the Viking. How are you man? And it took a turn, you know You're gone for a week you just forget how this works Definitely let loose with some hot jelly takes right there I'm doing really really good And yeah, I know I'm excited to dive into this I mean, obviously we've got the majority of the news will be overprime but I'm excited to talk a little bit of a thorough and and the lack of Predecessor, I mean, yeah, we'll see how that goes no lack this week And now we've got a dapper dapper welcome back We're back we're back we're it's an overprime week. I'm here It's an overprime week every week. It seems like it. Thanks, especially but uh, but Don't that would go ahead and introduce yourself. Tell us tell us where you're from Tell us about your um, you know It's it's not thinking back to it considering I started MOBA is a year ago because of overprime CBT one so almost exactly a year ago I don't know when CBT one was but it's good to be back when final testing is going through So I'm here to cover and give you all a different point of view on a lot of this And I'm really excited for that starting to come full circle. Um, it really is quite well Uh, we're gonna we're gonna start off with Fred move into ethereal and then finish off the overprime because overprime has probably by far The most news for discussion topic. Somebody wrote big old balls. So apparently that's what we're talking about Okay, and so let's get right on in to predecessor. So predecessor since I'm the last for the minions released that gameplay video of Decker, I thought this video was a hundred times better than the Kalari video. Um, it also kind of Swayged some of my worries about Decker like I thought like looking at her kid I was like, oh man, this is gonna be insane, but actually watching the kit in action I think it's pretty balanced the the containment fence being a basic ability seem more like a just a big old route than Than anything else. So I'm I'm pretty I'm really happy with with this predecessor gameplay that they sent us So I jelly. What'd you think about Decker? I? Think the same thing. I think it assuages a lot of the fears the Horace I mean, I know Horace was in chat at least a second ago is when they reached out to us that told us She's not as crazy as she sounds guys like it So it's good to see that that's the case Overall it so it felt like they were kind of listening to what you said last week man goose and you're like I don't want full gameplay. Give me the short gameplay. So now I'm waiting for you to complain about having short gameplay and wanting long gameplay But overall, I think it was a good footage of anything Decker seemed kind of underwhelming rather than Overwhelming that we like we thought she was right. We'd see her containment fence go out And it didn't really do a ton if they were on the front side moving away from her of that containment fence It was basically down by the time they got to it Yeah, her ultimate never really seemed to do anything super great like it just was kind of like yeah It looks cool, but I never saw it really change the impact of a fight. It was just kind of always there it just But I think she looks fantastic I'm worried about now the other side of her efficacy and maybe underwhelming or underpowered in comparison I think I'll just take I think you're take some skill a little bit of time with her to get to get really good to Get the timing down on that containment events There is the other thing I like about the containment offense being On a basic ability is it doesn't hurt so bad whenever you do throw it down and somebody just barely gets out of it Because you would have that at once while you throw it max range and think that you had somebody and they were just on the cusp And they would get out of it doesn't feel as bad when it's just a regular regular ability Viking general What do you think of this is Decker video? So I kind of I'm gonna echo a lot of what you guys just said I mean it was something. I think we were really concerned about when we saw the numbers as far as her scaling and stuff like that We're like, oh my god, she's gonna be so strong And the pred team, you know was luckily in chat and you know tried to Make it so it didn't seem like it would be that crazy And I think this video really showcases that I don't think her damage is as nearly as great like crazy as we thought It was going to be I kind of agree that the the abilities Look really cool. I do wish the ultimate looked more ultimate like like I kind of like wanted more to be honest of like the Particles coming down knowing that because there was times when I was like, wait, did she cast the ultimate? I'm not entirely sure was that what that was and then because of I don't know It's I kind of wish it felt more like that also the ultimate looks really difficult to land So I kind of wish that they had like maybe a pull-out camera Since you're launching a laser from the sky as their ultimate that you could get a little bit more Battlefield vision or something like that to really make sure that you're casting it and getting that center So you get the full usage of it because it did seem a little I don't know difficult But maybe you know once you get your hands on it that could be different, but She looks cool. The containment field was I think our biggest concern And I feel like that's actually probably the weakest of her abilities now Everything else looks really the laser still looks sick. I think that's actually my favorite of all of her abilities I think it's such a neat concept for her and Yeah, it fits the theme really well, but the containment field just seems very underwhelming compared to what we're used to with How it used to be an ultimate and you're like, ah crap everybody's locked in here for all fucks, you know Now it's kind of like okay. I just had to sidestep a few abilities and I'm out now You know what I mean? So But this is also critique that they can adjust right like they can like you know if they feel like it's super Underwhelming in actual gameplay they can tweak some of the numbers So I think that's it's still exciting to see that she's very viable There were parts where again, I know it's faster video But it makes me wonder like how much fun it was to play in lane Even though we complained about the long video before and said that it was boring I'm still want to see what it's like to lane in this game because I can't actually lane myself Is it's still boring or they have they edited this really well to make it look like it's a lot more entertaining than it Is so that's my only like feedback I guess for it That's what you think don't like the short form content long We would bitch it either way we would complain out of the way whether they give us But as for the gameplay You know I had seen like parts of it And I don't I just realized that I'd never seen the cage go up when I kind of like skimmed through the video Yeah, that cage basically doesn't exist And more seems like a wall that like you just throw up to block a one way It doesn't cage people in it's like I want to block this direction. So I guess I'll throw the entire cage up So that seems kind of mediocre and I don't I can see how that can create a little bit of a You know gap but between how short it is and the amount of mobility that some of these characters can have You know to echo what Viking Jedi said Like rewatching this footage I'm like wait an ultimate was used there And the only way I could even tell is not even by the animation But the fact that it went on cool down Like oh that went on cool down So to see that would be a little bit better in my opinion because I'm a guy that likes visuals to have You know it make it look like an ultimate make it go higher make the beam at least a little bit wider because Not in terms of like gameplay aspects. God forbid that But like have it be a longer bigger beam just visually to actually match the stun area That way it does feel like an ultimate because it feels like the line lasers more ultimate Is that that way that line laser feels way more like an ultimate in terms of design compared to her actual ultimate Yeah, I think is like looking at it again the line laser actually like causes a little bit of shake of the camera It tears up the ground So yeah making that look more ultimate ish would be good for her and I think for the cage Because it's still barely a cage at this point. It's just a nuisance You know making it more look like a laser because that's what looks like they're trying to do with that character make it instead of the translucent walls make it just multiple lasers that way it's You know at least consistent without the entirety of her kit instead of trying to replicate something old But that's again personal opinion President eke I think It brought up something that I really wanted to address is that laser beam goes through walls Which I think is awesome like I hated revenants obliterate going through walls I hated more guesses mark going through walls because those were lock-ons and you didn't really need skill You just needed visibility of the opponent this one like I she misses it a lot in this video But I could definitely see like her catching somebody is they're trying to wrap that wall with that laser Slowing them down enough for her team to catch him. I think this wall too I think you guys are sorely sorely underestimating this wall like I think just being able to block off The egress point of an enemy or forcing them to use their movement ability to get out of her wall is going to be It's going to be huge. I think it's going to be great I'm I would hate to see them increase the efficacy of this wall because I think it's going to be Perfectly good as it is right now. I think it's really well balanced I'm I'm just overall extremely impressed. I'm I'm happy to be happy about something for predecessor I'll tell you that right right right damn now I do want to say I agree with that point though. Like I think in with the wall I think that there's going to be more it's more of a disruption tool And I think for those of us who are used to the old Decker kit and seeing how important, you know landing that as an Ultimate was this is more of like, you know, hey I'm you know using it to stop a choke point or to create space or to lock them down for just a little bit Or to force out a cool down or whatever So I do agree that I think once we have our hands on the game that we're going to see a lot more of it And she's used it a lot of times in this video to set up other abilities or to give Her teammates time to catch up as well Like so there absolutely is value still in the wall And I don't want that to be gone and she was landing so many of these Decker bombs It's Yeah, dude the big long ones and you're just like dude you're fucked I'll be so pissed if I'm like I'm like half a screen away already. I'm like, all right We're out of here. We disengaged and then punk by that But yeah, so it's it's definitely cool. I think she looks amazing The visuals in the whole thing are, you know, exactly what we expect from predecessor at this point looks smooth Hard to complain. I mean, I can find more things to complain about but it's in reality. It's a really good Yeah, I think it's the most underwhelming part though I really wish the ultimate felt more like an ultimate and in what again also the landing of the ultimate So again pull out the camera give you an option an opportunity to really land it and I don't know But that's just my take. Yeah David I'm not sure about that. I don't know. I'm not sure about the length of the wall or the height of the wall I don't know if that increases as your level or duration duration duration. Yeah, I think duration is supposed to Increase. Yeah, again, we don't see in the video. So it's not entirely clear But yeah leveling reducing the reducing the cooldown on that like at level one 21 seconds It's actually a short time for considering what kind of ability it is Yeah, a lot of it just the wall looks underwhelming because in this video it doesn't showcase It's like top tier potential but it does help in the video It looks like a little bit But to have the cooldown even reduced by like 10 seconds and increasing the duration that that would definitely make the wall very strong of a tool I Think it's gonna be very strong and very disruptive Yeah Well, it's fun The t-fight that we're seeing right now Well, where they're all fighting in choke points is really showcasing in my opinion the power that she's going to be able to Do like this is insane fighting and a lot of it has to do with her CC Her slows her wall placing like the ultimate going off like it was in my opinion Beautiful team fighting and positioning by this Decker and showing off exactly what you can do in a high-level gameplay And it's very impressive as she she retakes that mobility too, which is always nice for Decker Because people will try and chase her down when she gets annoying enough. Mm-hmm And when you get the moon boots, it's gonna be even worse Yep But yeah, I think great decision all around or replace her slow bubble with this beam I think this beam is far more exciting than the slow bubble. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, and it's low bubble is just Muriel bubble with different like just very slightly different without shielding and makes it slow A little bit range on that laser too is actually I was definitely long I was so far it's so far because you can there's a point of an in the video where you see her use the later next to Faye like line as well And it's like double the line of the the vines and it's that's a such a far laser Because you get a lot of side views of it and geez Well, I like that it's the animation doesn't stop Decker from being able to move She casts it and it's an instant like she cast and she's still going so she can keep like you mean you said the mobility To where she's not gonna get locked down just because she threw an ability down And I think that's so quiet. Hey animation locks where you're stuck unless it's like a major ultimate, right? Oh Yeah, I'm not a big fan honestly I'm not a big fan in MOBAs where you get animation luck because you press one of your abilities No, I see I disagree with the Murdoch one. Are you talking about overprime? No, because you're able to farm safely and with those grenades and do a we damage, I don't know But anyway, we're gonna we're on predecessor. We can talk over There was just animation walking. That's all I was trying to say. I feel you it makes sense But Guys I have anything else for predecessor before we move on into a thorough I do I request that predecessor change how their crest updates and like the level of your crest I Hate that it just sits on your screen the entire time while you're leveling. Oh, really? So I like it. No, I don't hate that it shows up and tells you how far you are Hmm, I hate that once you start it it is always on your screen until you finish it There's no reason for it to sit constantly on your screen. It should update as you're doing whatever the thing is, right? So if you are aggressive Enemy champion or enemy heroes then when I'm dealing damage pop up and then last for a couple extra seconds And then fade away or something But just sitting box on my screen of closer to center screen no less Nope, not a fan get rid of that like that. That's nonsense It's been that and the what we saw in the Kalari video last week where you can For who knows what it actually was but the ability to lock the character movement and then turn the camera It seems like the camera works gonna be interesting because that's also like blocking a part of information you can get in the game, so I Can see why you would think that way Jelani's Adjustable you why that's all I'm saying. I mean, okay, we really want to have that conversation But we need no I know I kind of agree though I think that if you're going to have features like that They should be customizable to an extent I don't know how hard it is to do but I feel like it should be something that like you can toggle have it as a toggle on off or Something along those lines or adjust opacity Something I don't know because I don't think it's not as big of a deal as jelly feels about it But I can see it being something that you don't want Cluttering up your screen along with all the other things that you're trying to pay attention to However, something we can you complain about all the time is give players information More information is typically better than no information. And so it's like I mean, we're kind of damned if we do and damned if we don't But no better better than give players information give players the option of information relevant Information to yeah, the option that they like mangoes was saying let me turn it off Let me let if I decide that I don't want that let me toggle it off Even if you're not going to give us resize options or anything like that Let me go in and click a button that says I don't want crest information I can hover over the tab menu if I want to know where I'm at in my crest, right? like it's things that theoretically are not terribly difficult to add in and We're instead. It's just Inherently worse whether with this giant box on my screen for the first five minutes of the game because I'm working on my crest I mean that could be an option. We just don't know We didn't really see them go into their settings and all that stuff never know be They show it though. It doesn't exist Your camera went funky there goes never mind if it's just went a little bit blurry that you want blurry I think so press any key has another point here. Just a progress bar would be less intrusive They're giving you a box that is taking up more than almost any other thing on the screen Yeah, or a progress bar like that's effectively what it is Right like an acrobyte bar. There's no reason that it's taking up that much room on there on the UI Yeah, I feel like Having it pop up when you hit tab or something like that when you want information about what's going on in general I I agree. There's a better way to do it than what it is I don't think it's as distracting as your you maybe feel it is however I also understand that I'm not the only person playing this game and so therefore It should be available to be adjusted for people Especially if you're playing like on a smaller screen or something like that And then once they go to console console win, right? That kind of stuff is a lot more Annoying when you're as a console player because there's you only have yeah anyway progress bar console. That's what we're saying here. Okay But do if you picked a good time to come back to to follow in these games I can't tell you that right now That's this is the the optimal time because predecessor and overprime are later this year early access So you only have to wait two months compared to some people who have been waiting actual years Welcome back Um, you guys got anything else for predecessor or move on to a thorough Something so I did watch a video about predecessor about the gameplay video for kalari this week But I didn't realize and I don't think you guys talked about last week Is you can actually see if your team members blink is up on the top bar on the ui Oh, yeah. Yeah somebody put that up there and a blink indicator for both of those which I think that's a little a cool thing That you can see the important cooldowns Definitely good to know. Yeah, and the bullying also you can call out your your teammate for not using their blink and they could have Let me ping it so I can be toxic All right, well, let's uh, let's go ahead and move on into ethereal Ethereal Ethereal so for the third year this week, uh, jelly gave us this uh, winter queen marina skin concept So what do you what do you want to tell us about that jelly? I mean, so it's we I've got a couple questions a couple weeks back about there being if we're gonna do Like themed skins around Christmas if we're gonna or winter or like any of those kind of things, right? And so I thought this was a good one to put out there for the community of That we are absolutely going to have themed skins around the holidays and certain events in summer and winter and all those kind of things So I just I love and I love of the winter skins that we have cough cough wink wink Um, I think winter queen marina is one of my favorites. I think just with the the whole design of her I big fan big fan Yeah, it looks really good. Um, it'll come it'll come back as it'll come back across the screen I really need to put those up longer like I thought I had it up for like a long ass time Whatever I edited this together. Oh well 20 seconds 20 30 seconds Skin looks good, uh, it's always nice to see like an elemental style character. I think that's marina if I'm remembering correctly She's water right water. Yeah. Yeah. So to see elemental style characters In a different element so seeing like a fire version of marina as well, even if it doesn't change the effects I I still like that aspect of the elemental is changing their outfits So I like it looks good. She looks cozy. It's also a nice change of pace to say the least It's nice to see a character put on more clothes sometimes depending the character. So it's winter time You can't you can't skimp out. I mean aurora would disagree with that statement with some of the Yeah, but aurora is the cold I mean fair but it's it's nice to see a new take on uh, uh Seasonal outfits at least bikini summer grognar cuz it's it's gonna happen 100 percent. Um, Again, he's putting his clothes I was gonna say I'll think he's where yeah, he's not wearing clothes to begin with so like swim trunks would be an upgrade Exactly It's nice to see characters getting clothes and outfit these days Um speaking of ability so is there an Attempt going to be made to adjust her abilities based off of the skin for this one or is this just more of a concept at this point I'm not sure I'm understanding what you're asking me. So like skin effects Yeah, going to look more wintery like are they going like is there going to be back animations and change? Are you allowed even allowed to say that like Because I know it's something right now if he's allowed to say yeah No, no, I'm checking what tier of skin it is So by right now 100% agree meet certain required requirements, right? So we're not going to have recolors as a skin line in ethereal at all The tier ones are always a model change So at bare minimum, you will always have a model change when you're paying for a skin You're never going to get a recolor out of us for something. Um, this skin in particular is a tier two skin So that's a model change and some minor v effects updates So that's we'll we'll see some kind of updates there For the winter queen marina of making a little more frosty rather than just water based Okay, a lighter blue Voicelines and stuff like that for for skins because like I I know for me with like league when they get like, you know special skins They have sometimes new voicelines would be really cool If she's like going into, you know, the the ice lane and she goes like it says something I don't know clever about being in the ice lane whereas if she goes into the fire late I'm not dressed for this or something like that. I don't know like, you know Something, you know, cute would be fun. I don't know if that's even something you guys have thought about But I'm a big fan of those types of things Yeah, the tier three and tier four skins will all have custom vo work attached to them as well So it all is dependent on the tiers and what level of changes they're going to have According to Cool enough I was thinking about her ice and like if you did give her ice effects It would be very hard to see that if she was in ice lane Yeah, I'm finding a way to Do that while still being visible and clarity and all that good stuff make it like black. We don't want pay to win skins That would definitely be a pay to win skin clear in the fire lane when just suddenly ice appeared. Oh, you know, she's here All right, yeah, looks cool always good to see progress from ethereal. Oh, I like uh Voice acting you got it, bud. I would be happy to be a voice actor for any of these games that they need If they need a viking Jedi voice, I got you covered I can't wait to see you. Uh, voice uh voice her in one of her alternate voice lines Yeah, I would be hilarious viking in there being like, oh, it's chili, right? But changed another the other so it's still her normal voice, but then randomly He just got in man's voice suddenly coming over I think viking would be great for decker and kane because he could just ramble on and on and on Um All right, you guys ready to move on to over prime Well, the other thing real quick. I want to talk about. Oh, oh, shit. You had something else You wanted to talk about there's literally on the sheet man. Goose. Don't even read the sheet, dude No, I didn't I know he's where did you put it on the sheet? Like right after you send the sheet to us. So This dude Oh Where did you guys add this shit? You have it all week and you just know I had this this shit doesn't even read It's been on there for like three days Doesn't even read his own sheet chat Let's get rid of this guy. Oh, I just don't something on the predecessor Uh So We actually have brought on armadillon from the fault team on to the undying games team to be our nice Let's go. It's super exciting. He's already huge Seeing seeing arma get into the testing and mess with these characters and immediately like give these like Huge paragraph feedback. I'm like, this is good. Like this is this is gonna be great It's also going to be really annoying to be like to have these little tweaks now But he's definitely providing really good feedback from what we've seen so far And that's only been a couple days honestly Like it's it's going to be really good to have arma on the team with us and we're really excited to have him join And any potential others that we're still talking to as well That's a great pickup That is a great pick like Of the entire sms team if you were going to pick up anybody I would hope that you would pick up arma like that's a good get right there I'm glad that you guys got him and he didn't go to somewhere else. That's that's amazing Yeah, it could be a huge asset to the team I think I said that last week I was like if if I can hope for these guys to go to any team I was hoping that they would go to ug because I just think that they Can bring a unique now experience at a way earlier stage because that was something that arma in particular Was talking about like if he was there at the beginning He thinks that he could have been able to Help shape and and fix a lot of the stuff that fault ran into And so getting him now at the you know the stage where I feel like it's really starting to you know Put into momentum and starting to I can't even imagine how great it's going to be to have his insights and And he's going to have a lot of growth potential there as well You know, which I think is really exciting for his own You know personal development because that's something else that he was really passionate about was that You know he was working on fault for free just because he wanted to be Part of something bigger than himself and I think that's really really exciting to hear so really cool Really such great news. I'm so stoked for him and for you guys because I do I think he he showed that he's a passionate guy You know and um having him on there. I think it'll be fun Can't wait to hear his insights on things too Yeah, he did a lot of great work for fault like yeah The reason fault was what it was like was as good as it was was it was him like it Wasn't his doing that When there was like problems and stuff he was the one fixing all those problems. So yep And even like he's not recommending from what we've seen with arma, right? He got in and played Dante first Right and went through all of Dante's abilities It both just by himself and then also with other people in a 66 game And really messed around with them and then recommended really healthy changes for him nothing that was overly unnecessary Just like I wish this did this this way or slightly differently or whatever it is That's just more quality of life feeling Stuff than it is like the character is fundamentally broken get rid of him like Well, I mean some people might feel that way, you know That's like he's one in his mouth like uh I wish my gun like one like the the sword guy from one piece He's one gun in his mouth That's super excited. I can't wait to see fire guns, but then fire more guns. Yeah. That's the jinx. Isn't that the jinx quote? Yeah, like I have a gun and fire more guns or something like that Yeah, I want to be surprised like an enter the gungeon right now the bullet the fire's guns. Um Yeah, that's great news. I'm really glad to hear that Huge. I wish I would have known before we started the show. I mean This guy There's some way for us to share that information. I know if only the mangoos knew how to read It's all those west virgini tendencies in him, right? Like he just completely forgets how to do things sometimes For a week. I got here. He didn't work for a week. They've had this sheet to update for a week. They've had to update it I looked at it an hour before we We came in here. Oh, you couldn't know if there's no way No, no, no, you saw that the document was still there. That's what he was checking. We'll do two hours Maybe we opened it saw text and went okay, and then left it there like oh Jesus But yeah, that's really great to hear. I love to hear that Yeah, good to hear for you guys good to hear for arma All around great news knows someone staying in the community When something doesn't exactly go through with uh what they were working on so to stick with that You know good for everybody as mangos are saying Unfortunately has to work with jelly now, but Um, at least he can direct any grievances directly to him now instead of through a All right, uh, you guys ready to move on to over prime now uh Joshua needs an update because he just tuned in and said what did I miss so who wants to give him a breakdown? Uh, the decker video There's a winter queen auroras or not aurora marina skin. There's there's an aurora marina skin And armadillo and joined the team at ug which is really great news. Hey, so he gets to work on ethereal So let's uh, let's move on into over prime Uh, I did a move to that definitely most of the as usual most of the updates from over prime uh, okay, so Maybe two hours after the last fdm. They announced the their final beta test will be november 10th through the 21st That's um utc plus nine. So for me on the east coast for north america That's actually november 9th at 9 p.m. To november 21st at 5 a.m. And then um They sent like uh 12 gameplay videos that out to creators to use they did a rework for quang. Um, they Showed zina one of their own original heroes. Um To have a when is the final test event so people can earn a chance at um steam money like in game money um For their trello, they they did background optimization ward system improvements hero skin hero skins skill visual effects tutorial system improvements And finally there's a gtg turny For eu on the 19th and na on the 20th. Uh, jelly and i will be casting that So now i've got that that's all we're going to be talking about that that's the outline now Let's get into the actual talking about it starting of course with final beta test november 10th through the 21st. I thought that Okay, now you're now you're typing on the on the sheet while i'm trying to read it. Okay Guys new update for over prime man goose is a bitch The man goose himself it's official I don't know who wrote that but uh So the final beta test november 10th through the 21st This took me off guard because I thought that they were going to roll straight into early access I didn't think that they're going to have another beta test But it makes sense and if you're wondering about those dates that's because the uh g star event in in uh Korea is going to be um From the 19th the 21st, I believe so the game will be live at g star And net marble has a huge booth at the g star event. So that should be pretty big for them I firmly believe they're going to have computer setup with over prime online that they're just going to let people jump in and Play a game or something. Whatever they're whatever they have Is going to be available for people to play at g star for sure. Mm-hmm 100% Honestly, this is a good way to do it because then they're not committing to a release of the early access And they can still change some things if they need to Uh, plus this just gives people something to do while waiting for marketing to kick in which is what's going to happen at g star So, mm-hmm Good play for the final beta test Uh a med kit. Yes kwang looks stupid nuts in op Yeah, seriously Um, so I I want to say I think just watching a lot of these videos and and seeing how like good The the players are when they're playing like some of them all look kind of broken to be honest Highlights that we're looking at and I'm just like holy shit. How are you gonna play around that? Holy? Fuck how we can deal with that because yeah It's like sometimes it just looks like controlled chaos and it's it's amazing But the I think the big thing for me is I'm actually really excited that they're doing another test because the last test And the changes that they've made Are insane and I think it's smart for them to get players involved because last time they They showed how much feedback they got and how important that feedback was I would imagine that right before going into early access Having another test like this and getting a huge amount of feedback again is going to be You know extremely extremely important to to really fine-tuning this early access because uh, they've made a lot It's it's hard to to really quantify I think the amount of changes that they made from the last test to now like the whole Game I think is different while still holding on to the things that made us all excited About over prime in the first place the quality of life the uh, I think so I'm you don't think so come see in 40 minute games with people that aren't max level But and that scares me Well, we thought I was throwing that same comment in when you were doing the live for for a lot of these videos And I agree that it's something concerning. I do think that they were just doing like you're like, hey We're testing this we want hype videos Everybody meet up in the jungle as often as possible and fight over fucking red buff because why is there 15 people? fighting over red buff at Six minutes into the game. There's no need for all that nobody was laning There was times when all the inhibs were down all the lanes are like all over the plate and they're not They're not nobody is like fighting over it. They're nobody's pushing lanes. They're just all grouping and fighting So I think it was meant to be 40 minute fiestas of just showcasing skills and you know, whatever. They're not playing actual Games in this in this in these videos. I think it's just meant to show off Uh, but it can be a concern because I am of of the part of the person I guess in this this that I don't want I don't want to play Amoba for 40 plus minutes every and because you'll get maybe two or three games out of me because then i'm exhausted I just I can't do it if it goes there's like a few games where it's just because it's really back and forth And there's just really good macro from both teams. That's fine. I'm not wanting stomps one way or the other But I want like 20 to 30 minute games more than I get 40 plus minute games Because I want to be able to play multiple games. I want to be able to keep the energy level up So if that's the case like Mingus is alluding to there's a concern I will be upset. I'll be very upset actually because that was what I loved About our first test was that we were getting in and out once we learned the meta We were getting in and out and you know 15 20 minutes and that was fun You know, I I liked that so I don't yeah, sorry. I'm going I think that's they've now Contrasted themselves several times right the first test man goose you and I were in games I were in 20 minutes long Almost every single game right and because there was just no way to end the game And even the beginning of the second test was a little bit like that not nearly as bad But it was a little that it just took a while to get through games Then that patch came out and then the whole game shifted and that like you the game time shifted from 30 to 40 minutes to 10 to 20 Or eight minutes depending on if you were running the orb prime start at the time Right like it just it very drastically changed Each round of the cbt and so we could definitely see Something among those lines here that they're starting slower They're going to patch partway through and then balls to the wall again Because they want to see what the community is feeling feeling one way or the other is on that It was definitely sorry continue I was just going to say something that they've introduced which wasn't in the other cbt's So or prime you have mini prime and then you have the major prime the mini prime when you take it You can spawn it in a lane of your choosing and it'll push your lane for you Just not nearly as powerful as we had during the last cbt and then After 20 minutes jill is making a What angry face after 20 minutes about this it turns into big prime And when it taking him just deals a bunch of their ship ton of damage to everything on the map For the enemy you get a purple buff right you get a prime buff that you can Prime dunk doesn't exist anymore. Prime dunk does not exist. Yeah, all right now Which I think that's very unfortunate. Yeah There were too many Yeah, there were too many people complaining about too many aspects And it's not inherently in this community But just overall in the over prime community of like games felt too quick games felt too long And it's like nobody could make up their minds. So I feel like this is just Their kind of response to see what will work. Do people want those 40 minute games? Obviously not of us do but do people want 20 minute games And you know, we've got people at 40 minutes in the game that are talking and complaining like Oh taking more prime does too much damage to progress the game It's like you're 40 minutes deep. Why on earth would you complain that trying to end the game is unhealthy? But as to the worries of if this is going to be the style of the game I went back, huh? Sorry, I'm reading chat. It's for jelly because he wasn't here last week. So Ah, okay, okay um, but As to any worries about them is this artificially extended is this just a base of the game I went back to the quang video and by the end of it and like they have open inhibs on the enemy team But they spend time in base fighting They spend time just clearing minions and letting minions walk up So I feel like it's both going to take maybe 30 minute games 30 to 40 minute But during most of these videos, they do look inflated because there are definitely times where it's like Why is everybody in a light side red jungle? When far far side of dark side has an open inhib and no one's pushing that, you know, uh, there's acted like Norm there's actively a lot of people going to prime. I don't think there's a single prime fight That is less than four people on each side So this was made to show content to show what characters can do and if it's what it's like then Unfortunate but one thing I One thing that I loved about uh over prime Specifically and the reason I went back to it is because I could set my own pace If I wanted to just shovel lane I could just shovel lane if I wanted to help team fight I could join my team and we could do that so Especially with the two portal system now. I think being able to pick your own uh play style and uh aggressiveness I think is really good and with new characters. Who knows what that's gonna accumulate into Yeah, um, I I want to go back to the the dunk versus no dunk because I I do think that that's a big change For for a lot of people especially for people who play paragon and understand the legacy of it, right? I I told this to jelly. I think that it makes sense given that they're trying to Reach a bigger audience That mechanic is very complicated for I think people to understand that are coming from other mobas where You take big buff Big buff does something and and you try and end the game with it versus before you get to get this orb And you have to coordinate as a pickup group Taking the orb to this other place and then maybe have a team fight Maybe you don't have a team fight because the enemy team doesn't know what they're doing And and it can get all kinds of whack-a-doodle So I couldn't see why they would take it out. I too liked it a lot I thought it was a lot of fun having the coordination But it was easier to coordinate that as a group which we were almost always doing versus when I was solo queue The orb prime the the dunking thing became just a fucking mess Yeah, you had people that didn't even realize they had the orb on them And you would tell them that you'd be like in chat like can you drop that if you're not going to take it Can you drop it? No idea what that they even had it right and no idea how to drop it if they did though Yeah, so I just think from that perspective alone. It makes sense that they would remove it And find another way to to make it the game progress But I do think we have a lot of valid concerns I can't wait to you know find out how much of a concern Gameplay is going to be and how we do end games like you know, I know for me and jelly especially like What is laning phase like what is you know, can I set up pushes now? Is that even a viable strategy or is it just team fight to win all the time? Is that going to be fun all the time versus where the more traditional mobs like league of legends and what we got in fault And what i'm assuming we're going to get in predecessor where it is a lot more about map control and you know Shifting lanes is that going to be more fun? If it is more of the team fighting Orient to end games then that's going to further set apart I guess them from predecessor and vice versa So if pred's the more traditional moba style you're still gonna have a lot of people who are like, you know I'm gonna go back to playing pred because that's the kind of style I feel like playing today But if I just want to like Team fight to fucking victory and have flashy things and be all crazy and have like some hero clips Then I'll go op so we'll see I'm excited to jump into it though Yeah, game play wise I'm definitely leaning towards over prime because I really enjoyed the flashy epic moments of I Snipe somebody in the far back line because it goes through people and hits that tank specifically I enjoy the team fighting aspects. That's why I'm leaning towards uh over prime and honestly, I like seeing the amount of fighting going on here because Laning is interesting, but sitting there for seven minutes shooting minions and maybe poking It's not not for me. Not for me. That's why I play aram and league of legends because it's Didn't have me as your jungler in over prime that because that's a whole different ball game It is different Well, we'll see with everything going on who's going to be a new jungler too And who might have been removed from the jungle. We'll see a stunt. Thank you so much for the 11 months I had no idea that I had uh Memberships for 11 months. I didn't know I don't know you're for 11 months Best streamer on the platform right Yep, yep Maggie's in the chat if you got him, um, let's go So well, uh, you were kind of alluding to her and it's been discussed in chat for just a little bit Stunt with the five gifties. Thank you very much stunt I didn't even realize there was something you could do on youtube Jude he just learned that last week too. I actually knew her thing again Some Maggie said the chat if you got him let's go boys um, so You guys kind of hit on it and it's been discussed in chat a little bit zina in their in their, um Reveal for the final beta test they revealed Not Adele, but zina kind of came out of left field which we have seen her before Like a year ago. They teased an ultimate where she Knocks somebody up in the air and then slices them up with a sword. Yeah Um a little bit calari style, but with a knock-up um Who the fuck is zina Yeah, it's a wonderful question. Um, I definitely think the reason they didn't show Adele here Was because Adele's like the ace in the hole the the card in their sleeve for early access when she's you know The main character of their original cast she will probably be the selling point at g-star if I had to wager one um So, you know this weird thing Is I would agree with you if this wasn't their first ip If if this wasn't their first and they were creating like a big character to build hype around Adele 100 but this is their first Original character into the game. You think they'd be going Full boar That we can make characters that are amazing And maybe they are with zina. We don't know for sure I was just gonna say all that we don't know of Adele in the past to suddenly be like and zina instead Don't look it for Adele. Adele's not here A little weird that like Adele's missing I I wonder if there was something in like the play tests between the two that they were going to bring out for this Like, you know internally they're like, you know what maybe Adele's just not ready yet Like we're just don't feel like with the kit that we want and the balancing that we want and the current offering of other champions bringing her in would just not be The right move whereas, you know zina warrior princess fits a little bit more Into the current meta and maybe we'll fill a niche that we want to see play tested Um and give them that information that they need but uh, I do agree If it's a marketing thing it seems weird to do it this way Like, you know, why even put a new ip in if you're going to Splurge on marketing for another new ip that's coming later Um, I would just say do both at the same time I'm happy that we have new ip to play by the way because this is the first Of the pair of zombies that we're going to get to see A new ip and so i'm really really excited to see what they come up with You know and how it all fits into the the meta that we are so familiar with from old paragon days But even coming into more recent play with like fault in these play tests. So really really exciting I've also seen her too though. And um, it was a net marble TikTok it was in the background somebody was playing a game and it had and they were playing zina inside of a building So I don't know if she's from a different game or if that was just set up for the video I don't know what that was but they were playing zina in a completely different game So that that was kind of interesting to see but yeah, the other thing that concerns me What's that? Just seeing like bringing characters from other games into this one, especially if it's a net marble thing That's a good way to promote over prime by saying hey this character you love from this game Well, she's in a MOBA now go play it. That's um What is that game? Is it battle royale? We played it. I can't now of course Don't judge um the vampire the masquerade blood hunt. No naraka naraka blade point Um, oh yeah Point has yodo he may which is a character from another game that they brought into naraka for a cross promotional thing on release So that's I mean so companies are known for doing that exact thing of bringing in characters from something else So we absolutely that could be the case for zina that they're she's in another one of their games somewhere else And they're bringing her across or releasing her in two places at once or whatever it's going to be This also though stupid fun, man It doubles down on on another problem that some people are kind of anticipating now with with Uh over prime is that their new ip characters are all going to be cute little girls I don't know yet and at first I was like I kind of do like you would think that I would be all for it But at first I was like well, I mean let's let's let's hear it out You know, we only know about you know rina and and Adele But now it's rina Adele zina zina and we know that Netmarble owns um a company called made a verse not they're not the made a verse It's a company called made a verse that has digital influencers like rina who has like Thousands of small interrupt. I'm so sorry. Did you guys see the sparrow shoot somebody get launched out of the air? Oh, she's I wonder if I said that something about that in the video that I did you did Did you say that I must have missed it his intro clip to that video. Oh, holy fuck. I've not seen that before that was Yeah, it's fucking insane It's because gadget is in travel mode as she exits the uh the launch pad And and sparrow hits her with a basic attack and drops her out of the fucking sky First of all just the shot to hit the shot while flying through the air like a skeet shooter You know what I mean like that's just skeet. Whoa skeet. Okay. Anyway, yeah as for character fears That's completely understandable to be worried that they're all just gonna be Korean waifus and like I get that that the fear but again, this is the game's not even out yet. We don't know what their Line is for heroes. Yeah, but rina. Yeah, they got a delt. Yeah. Yeah, they have zina now. Um, but Who knows what they're gonna come up with later if like the next two characters after this or even the next one is then I can definitely Lean towards that fear, but you know Technically they have in a fourth one because shin b's also there I think a big thing though that they can they can use to their benefit Is do a lot of these crossover cute skins or cute heroes that apply that bring in that type of audience to play your game While you still have other paragon heroes you can release Yeah, because you can break up that monotony by putting out especially if it's one every three months You can do Wukong and nabash, I know nabash right, but wukong and nabash and then cute anime girl And then you can do I mean revenant and sparrow and cute anime girl Right, like you can break up that feeling With the paragon characters in the meantime while you're working on a bigger roster out the back end So rino for the loli tag and then rector for the ugly bastard tag God So terrible I do think though that the the jelly's hitting on a very valid point like I think it were Because the roster currently is fairly small You're so dumb because the roster is fairly small. I think it does seem like a bigger deal Um, but I also think that like I mean if you use like league of legends as an example There's a parody of which you know, uh champions are popular always get skins built for them It's it's not it's not the ugly big beefy boys It's the cute anime girls like you know every time there's a patch and what is lux getting a new skin Every you know what I mean like Ari Ari Yeah, thanks Exactly, there's just like you know a staple that you know Gamer boys like to see cute girls running around on their screen. Oh my god. How terrible for the game as long as we're thousands of years old It's fine. Yeah But I do you know they they can't break it up though I'm with jvn too like We get catered to a lot What about the women and the gay dudes like they need they need a fucking character too Like uh ethereal xl is in the gays There you go. You got a sexy. You'll hit fucking ethereal my bad. I don't mean I know jvn likes xl. So it's Um, I'm all for that though like fucking spread the love around have give somebody everybody somebody to play Yeah, no one's gonna complain about that. Um, everybody needs somebody to sit up over Another reason for why it might not be Adele Uh is the role she feels like if she's another bruiser We've already got so many so why add another bruiser? So maybe Zena fills a role that The op roster is currently lacking in maybe, you know, just another reason on maybe why it might be zena and not adele My my secret like underlying Hope for why it's not adele and why it's zena instead Is that we are getting the taunt ability on adele and it's just not done yet? So they're moving they're pushed adele back Yeah, I would love right like I just The shield in adele thing, right? I was my first the whip and the whip sword and the uh shield a shield, right? Yeah And I think that's what I kind of was saying earlier Is that there's something maybe about her kit or the way that they were running into issues with the testing that That it just wasn't ready yet And but they wanted to bring some ip out for this to get the testing in to see how it all plays together So, I mean it's wild. All right. We've been almost eight months since their last test It's been that long not even that clock if that if that if not long maybe six months Maybe six and end of April beginning of May. Yeah still feels like it's not We're approaching six months before the between tests and they're releasing eight characters. Yeah Not even in the middle of the test like they did for an r-bash just straight up There's going to be eight new characters in this next test. Mm-hmm, right? And we're like when we look at pred for instance, they've got two one If that and and Gadget may as well be a new hero with with her new skin Yeah, yeah much better much that gadget update is is that vfx is Top tier bro speaking like not not just because not just because a titty like don't don't get me wrong I love I love me some titty But I do honestly just think it looks more modern it looks more engaging It looks more fun like she was like this kind of like almost closed off like character before now you have her I mean with an open shirt here too for being so closed off to You would now have her literally opened up and more I don't know She just seems like she's got a lot more personality and I think that'll be fun Well, I think okay So the weird perspective that I think about the new gadget is old gadget was cyberpunk in the 80s Modern cyberpunk. Yeah, that's a good way to put that. That's a good way to put that there. That's fair Right. Yeah, don't gadget and I think the robocop reference By Byron kind of put that in perspective for me. Oh, that's cool. It made in the 80s. It looks just like old gadget like that Are closed Instead of blue. Yeah The other thing too is What it reminds me of is like the 90s romance movies where like the girl Is like the ugly duckling in school just because they put glasses and fucking a ponytail owner With gadgets like she's always been fucking hot as fuck. Oh my god. This is this is what they've gotta take that 1930s football helmet off of her and god damn God damn. Yes. Yeah speaking as the character, you know appearances They showed off so many skins For all these characters and yet it's only one skin per character Like every time we see countess. She's in that valkyrie looking skin whenever we see, you know, uh The countess skin was my favorite. She looks yeah, it's a good one. It's a good one. I mean they reached her Yeah Oh, they show off the wraith Release skin that he came with back in paragon and that looks good, too So this is only one variation of the skins and they look great Absolutely and Mangus and I actually had a conversation earlier not about skins But about a different change that they made for decker specifically Decker's ball when you're pre casting it You actually get a line indicator of where it's going to throw how it's going to bounce And all of that which none of the other games have added in and paragon didn't even have that So for new players picking up decker the hardest part of her is always the ball And now you actually have an indicator that shows you this is exactly where it's going to land You still have to Throw it pre throw it to make sure that it's lining up with people running But it's taken half of the difficulty of the ability of knowing where it's going to go Out of the equation. I think that's brilliant. We found that image and throw it up Yeah, and I think there'll still be like skill expression for the people who do know, you know The the ins and outs you can have the quick cast on and you can just throw it because you know how to throw it Hopefully they have quick cast because as the last test it was Whichever ability they decided needed whichever. Yeah, we'll see but I would have put up an image of decors The the targeting line that you see just before she throws which I'm sure will be there if you don't have it on quick cast You can hold it Yeah And it's good too because it even shows like it doesn't show from decker It shows from where she throws it to where it throws Which is such a good attention to detail and it's just It looks so Good there, you know visuals have definitely increased tenfold from cbt2. No one can deny that It's also interesting to see like some of these skins have just straight up different visual effects Like with the count of skin it has feathers across most of her effects With the quang in some of the videos as well His new skin with that hat, you know, it's a blue. It's a light blue and black effect to it Clary it's like a yellow gold greenish and you know to see so many skins with just different effects is very Interesting to see just to see like how many skins will have no effects One of the ones that caught my eye definitely was the shinby one where it's a golden black animals instead It's so cool Just to see like she or in her model doesn't even look to that chain She's not wearing a new outfit her outfits change So if that's what mastery skins do if there's a thing if they have mastery skins and like the silver It's silver and black if it's gold's golden black, you know Well, that that was a different outfit for her though. That was completely different outfit. Okay. That was the hot That was the hot box skin crazy cool skin, but uh The one that you pointed out to me on your stream dapper that really impressed me was Gidget with the chrono shinobi skin as I call it the the seam punk Gideon skin His meteor isn't a meteor It's a collection of cogs and gears and springs and when it explodes a bunch of gears and shit fly out I did not notice that at all and the dapper brought it up. I'm like, oh my god So I had to go back and look at the videos. I'm like, holy shit. That is fucking amazing. Yeah They're upping their game on visual effects and skins and it's amazing So much attention to detail and My pocketbook is not ready. I'm just gonna I you gotta enter all these contests so you can get the free dude 30 dollars at this point They have three contests going to ten dollars each That's 33 dollars if you get but just win you have to like you have to do art or something, right? Like I don't do that shit. No, you have to record a video and post it on youtube Me record a video and post it somewhere come on guys technically, uh, they actually give you the video so That's true. You just have to download a video and post it on youtube I I'm gonna have to really fight myself and I'm gonna lean on you guys as my friends because I Some of these skins are so cool looking and I don't even have any plans to play the characters But I just want the skin The random chance that I play because that's the same thing that would happen to me in league I'm like, oh, do you see the new skin for so-and-so? Oh, man. I kind of want it I Maybe I will there well if I get them an arrow Yeah, exactly if I get them an arrow I want to look fucking cool as shit And there's nothing worse than going in an arm skin and you're using the base skin or some weird like, you know Cheapo skin the recolor if they have it's like 10 years old Yeah, but they all the skins look really really neat. Mm-hmm But I mean we've only talked about the visuals so far. I mean the mechanics that we've seen that have changed on this Back during the city too. Well, the item is as well Like there's so much to talk about which is why this is our last topic but like The biggest mechanic I saw and the reason I'm bringing it up now is because it's being shown on the stream is As grucks you can hop and carry momentum with your abilities So you can run at someone jump and do the pole So your pole has an extended range compared to what someone might be expecting Which also helps with as we talked about earlier on There's no animation locking anymore from what it looks like because you can jump and do that You're not forced to sit on the ground Then pull you're allowed to keep that and keep going and I've seen a lot of characters do that So this another minor thing of complexity that a lot of people can Uh, you know improve on Rampage can throw rocks while he's jumping which is insane 60 rocks. Let's go Yeah, you had that one guy that couldn't land a rock if he was standing on the ground He was jumping he landed every single one every time he jumped And the point blank ones So you've also got the little like emotes that you can do like the little happy face or the thumbs up or your heart or like Yeah, and that's another part of that video that cracked me up He stopped to give the thumbs up and then took a rock to the face. So toxic That's another monetization that I can see myself Grow up like uh, yeah an emote above your head because in league it's one of the best things I love the sarcastic thumbs up like oh Yo, you're you came to gank my lane nice job. Like, you know what I mean? Like it's so fun Uh, yeah, no, it's it's stupid cool One of the things I've noticed and I'm not sure if it's a full-fledged emote for the character Or if it's just an animation that I haven't noticed before But the grucks gameplay every time we see either grucks from his perspective Or in teamfights and you see a grucks walking away. He always spins his right staff in his hand And I think it's animation wanting this thing ever that like he's walking out of a fight and it's just like thank you like Yeah, that's that's one that's one thing I pointed out when I was doing my reaction content was All of the sprint anime a lot of the sprint animations are one new and two they spin whatever the fuck they're holding like you see shouldn't be spinning and sticking in the in the uh holster you see uh, Severog spin the hammer and then himself You see grucks spin the thing like there's so much spinning in this. I love that It's almost toxic in and of itself though. It's like after a team fight if I just saw grucks spinning his staff around As he enters spring mode, I'd be pissed thing. Now walking away. Look holding on me. How dare you? Yeah, bellica does a backflip run up to them sprint stop sprint stop sprint up just backflip on them Thing now walking away like he's a flag girl at a football game Yeah Oh the items too and it's not just new items as well because yeah, they have new items He does swift it. It's kind of funny because it looks like he pulls the rock out of his ass Oh God Yeah, but with the items, you know the new ones look very well, maybe not unique but they look interesting They have an aura burn item now. Uh, there were some that we just couldn't tell what they did There's ap boots now, which is interesting Um, there was a boots item and it was looks exclusive to ap character. It's not exclusive none of it tailored towards Uh, so to see what that does is going to be interesting. Um And even your item art is unique and not off of the epic game store Exactly, which is nice. Uh, but also like they even revamped some of the old items Uh zinc's claw barrier back in cbd2 was like a 25 25 reflect 15 damage But now it's like 30 armor 50 mr some hp 20 percent uh thorns backwards and grievous wounds So like they even updated some of the old items and it's nice to see that too Uh, plus, you know, anti heals the thing and 30 at that, which is nice as well Uh, you're gonna need yeah, no kidding with the amount of healing in this game I'm seeing and luckily they're already, you know, they've learned from league as well Uh, there's an omni there's an all vamp item or omni vamp That's an 8 percent instead of 10 percent because they already can tell healing's going to be a big thing. Um There's just so much to notice. There's so many small details to notice Yeah, um one thing I want to address too. Um, you a lot of you guys out there viewing Don't see this but as a content creator, I We're gonna go a little behind the scenes on the action here Bump will be the community manager for um For overprime for team soul leave We have had So much stuff as content creators from the beginning not just like everybody's like, oh They give the content creators like 12 fucking videos to create content from it's not just that they've been given us logos They give us videos every time they do something. They give us um transparent pngs. They give us background images They provide so much stuff to their content creators in order to leverage them to Not only improve their own content, but that content will then go out into the world and improve overprime Fault was terrible at that Predecessor fucking horrible at it. I still I've all the pred logos that I have I had to get myself Like I had to rip them off of fucking websites and shit. Um At no time was ever ever given like just a high quality logo Aetherial though has given me high quality logos and has given me background images and and all kinds of stuff to use So like a theory on overprime Like helping out their con are both helping out their content creators to enable them to create content Uh pred and it will false gone now that might be one of the reasons fault's gone But the pred does it and that kind of brings it around to that short that I did that I guess one of you guys wanted to talk about because you put it on the fucking Did you put it on there? Yeah, I was just because I love I love predecessor. I Early early tracking of meadow was an absolute joy But at this point in time like we hardly ever get anything out of them And I just wanted to to let that to Not to put I don't want to put down predecessor. I just want to to to raise up A bumblebee from from soul leave that dude puts in work whenever the partner chat that we have Any time people I it there's a lot of stupid fucking questions in that chat constantly He doesn't address all of them because who the hell would but he addresses quite a few of them And I think something that fault did that helped early days a lot But they just dropped the ball and updating it and keeping The other things going out as well is they did create a press kit. They just downloaded people could download off their website Right early days fault that that was a very nice tool that it gave you everything all in one spot For what was out at that moment and then from there it just never got updated Right, so it just it didn't mean a lot past that point But that even that's a small step that something like ometta can do for predecessor that would go a long way yeah Yeah, and indeed more than just the content creators as well like Uh, the soul leave dev team knows how to interact with their community to benefit both sides, you know All of the free advertising they're getting from paragons back steam wishlist this Uh, there was another one as well that I don't remember what the contest was. Let me quickly check Uh, paragons back and then when is the final beta test like They're they're having the community go out advertise and then rewarding people with the chance to get Is something back from that so it's not just hey tell the people that there's something going on It's hey tell the people and there's a chance you can get Something from this so they're not just using the community for marketing. They're they're incentivizing it They're giving people a reason to So between the content creators getting all of that from behind the scenes and then interacting even without the partners Like they're not telling hey partners go tell your community. This is something they can do They themselves are saying hey community. This is something you can do So, you know, there's a lot of direct interaction Well, and they're getting the paragon name change is proving to be super valuable for them Oh, yeah, right even aside from just pure search engine ability for people searching a paragon the number of Articles that I've seen come out over the last two weeks since the name change Of saying something when the lines of like remember epics old moba It's back right and like and bam paragon the overprime and And there are some articles that talk about faults overprime and predecessor But a lot of them are beingly just paragon the overprime. It's back different company This is briefly the history of their game. This is when you can play it next and that's massive I'd love to see how many new members they have in their discord since that Because that was changed because you see them constantly get a little clover beside their name whenever they come in Yeah, it's like, oh wow paragon's back. When's the next test? Like it's crazy to see and I don't I don't always check the gen chat there But like almost every time I do there's like two new people saying hey, this is cool. When's this coming down? And you know, there are people like, hey, why can't I download this? Why isn't it available yet? It's like hold on I posted the video. How can I join the game? Read the post motherfucker. That's hell God damn it Hey, there's a there's a thing saying this game is gonna come out Now when you can play it. Well, when's it coming out? Well, well, check the but that's on the people That's not on that's not on soul even any capacity. So a great job with its transparency Evie point master that yeah, that's a great great point We brought it up before having net marble backing them up has made all the difference For soul leave and paragon the overprime also by the way ev point masters would put these videos that I've been Screaming over top of if you want to watch just the clean version of Without me being a a fucking idiot Yelling the entire time. Uh, check out Evie point masters channel He's got a lot of these videos posted the clean version. You can hear all the audio You don't have to deal with my dumb ass. So my favorite thing about those mangoes videos Is I guarantee you no regardless of which one you're watching what player watching at some point mangoes goes Oh, oh my god, and like I think it makes it better personally Well, I try to react to them as it happens because I'm practicing for when we cast I'm not going to be able to keep that level of enthusiasm off the entire time we cast because I have to pause those a lot Yeah Yeah, I noticed it seems more like you were practicing for shout casting than you were reacting Which is a good thing because that that does give like a for people that don't know paragon that don't know overprime That's a good thing to do. Oh my god. She did this thing They know like, oh, what did she do? Well, it's this thing. So it is a good thing to have plus. I enjoyed the shout casting So uh Almost like my channel used to be built around shout casting people's all as if content Or a med kit a press kit is just a basically a zip file That you can provide to people that has all the information they would need to create some kind of content around it So press kits that they get the name because you would give press kits to News companies or news organizations when they were presenting something about your company But what it is is it's logos it's models like images of the characters. It's videos that you've posted It's it's basically a marketing hub where they go to get anything they need to help market your game Yeah, it's it's assets to make making content about that thing easy. Yep She really didn't know what the fuck she was the ones with Yep, that was just funny. Yep Oh, which way do I go George? Which way do I go? God, there's so many things that are just they're already teams for the na journey I believe you can just sign up as a solo and they'll place you in a team for the get-through gaming tournament um Bitto That you just have to join their discord and then they're all the informations on there I think i'm gonna probably have because you guys are doing the casting. I might try and put together a team for the for the tournament Well, if you want to lose Yeah I will say viking has carried me through many many a game Overprime is not one of them though. I think I hate on myself myself well and overprime Uh, what else did we want to oh, uh, do you guys want to talk about the qualm rework now because that shit is fucking boggers Oh my god One thing I will say out of the gate before we get too deep into it is For somebody that can figure out qualms kit He will be disgusting. He will be so difficult to deal with But if you but if you get a bag qualm, he is just going to exist And that's it. He won't do much else if it's not a great qualms I feel like it's one of those characters that's going to have a high skill ceiling A medkit just fucking cracked me the fuck up. Yeah, I saw that qualms abilities, right? They they are paragraphs each and every single one of them. Yeah It's kind of ridiculous that they just go to those lengths on all of on all of his abilities It what what I find interesting too The absolute best player I went up against in the last close beta test was on kwang Like he was extremely effective on him and now he's That dude whoever he was is going to be Running roughshod over people because if he was that effective on kwang before Having him now is going to be Insane he's he's got eye frames Mm-hmm, and he's got so much. Yeah, he's got so much in this kid So yeah, those that don't know about the rework just a quick little summary for each one Kwang's Q is he throws the sword up that didn't change too terribly much Except that instead of a different ability he can recast and teleport to his now because it's ultimate change So you still get that other yeah within within six seconds. Yeah Um, but you still get the tether and that does damage His e or the next ability down the line is now an invincible dash that if you get a killer and assist resets Uh His right click impowers his next auto to do additional damage on hit essentially Um, and his ultimate is your right click is just permanently up basically So pretty nuts overall when you see the numbers it's even more so But his auto attack is what's nuts for sure It's a four-part auto attack The first one does 120 additional like 120 scaling the second one's 100 scaling the third one's 110, but a knock up And then the fourth one's a uh stab downwards, which whereas 120 Scaling true damage if you hit the person that was knocked up So That's the basic version of his kit Yeah, what's your what's your take on it because uh, yeah, I'm very curious as as somebody who's Probably played a decent amount back in the day and leading up to now I mean, so Kwong is one of those characters that If played well Will just dominate people like even even if he's out of the meta A good qualifier is still better than 90 of other players like it's just ridiculous And I think this kit is an even further amplification of that that if you can manage all the different aspects of his kit weaving in out of each other and invincibility and empowering basic attacks and Just all the nonsense people are going to pop off with this Kwong. It's going to be ridiculous to see Do you see it more as an off-laner or is it jungle or both? You can just feel both like he does currently I think now he's a better off-laner I think he probably still can jungle But I think he'll they're pushing him further into the off-lane with the amount of utility they're giving him Gives him the ability to trade better in the off-lane without taking so much damage I think for me outside of the abilities the ability is giving him the opportunity to build More tanky while still being able to put out a lot of damage I think that's what's kind of crazy to me Because in one of the the videos that we watched he wasn't building damage items You know, he basically was building like the equivalent of Sunfire Cape You know where he does like AOE damage and stuff and it's like health stacking and armor stacking and But he was still because he's so disruptive He was still you know And the invulnerability is the interesting one right because it's a small dash It's not a huge dash. It's a small dash and I think it's 0.5 seconds or something like that of invulnerability So it's not like a massive amount But while being able to do that dash you basically are getting in for free You can't be CC. You can't be damaged. You can't do anything So after that though It's going to be one of those things where you're having to pay Super close attention to cooldowns and understanding of what he can do And I think that's where what Dapper was kind of saying initially is that On paper broken as fuck If someone knows what they're doing right it's almost like that Yasuo right like you your team's yasuo versus my team's yasuo Or their team's yasuo versus my team's yasuo like on paper insane kits So stupid just like how can anybody ever play against well because some people are idiots and won't know when to dash Appropriately won't be able to you know line up their abilities to get the knockups and do all those things So I don't think he's broken broken But I think he does now showcase a lot of skill expression And have a really really high ceiling while having a pretty decently high floor That most new players are going to struggle with him and make his win rate not as great as it could be So it'll be interesting to see once we get more of our hands on it because most of what we're seeing is him Getting to teamfight all day long every time and so he's able to land lots of his abilities consistently Because he just has a plethora of people to pick from to be able to do it Um, you know, it'll be interesting to see how well he can lane. You know, he's still a melee champion They took out his sustain. He doesn't have shields inherently in his kit. So What is that going to really look like his poke isn't going to be as strong Right because it's it's um, it's not like it was where you you have like the tether and all that other stuff I think you can still Yeah, he's yeah I think his right click will shoot lightning to hit the tether So, yeah, he still got that poke on it was lower. Yeah, but it always can get in and out So if he does two basic attacks saves a third cues out teleports right clicks knocks him up does damage and then ease out What is the the counter play to that right like it? Well, yeah, but it's unwell I've already misplayed that by pressing the wrong button at the wrong time. Great Well, he's going to be able to treat if not held by the viking jedi I I do think they just the guy that's asking you to join his team. I think they removed his qualm though. Yeah I think they did remove his organic lifesteal though. Like I don't think that's That's so much. There's no longer part of his kit. He's that would it's already almost too much So, I mean we'll have to see like we thought decker was going to be too much in predecessor Kwong may be just fine in over prime. We don't know. We'll have to get a hold of him and find out Have a feeling though. I thought chimera looked broken in a lot of these Did you see how many times he was just sustaining through insane amounts of pressure by himself? I I think that's more of a concern personally. It just like there's a chimera by anti heal that literally Yeah, but you also see the counter for chimera being enacted as he gets cc'd in a team fight and then immediately fucking It was like what don't you finally got it you'd bit off more than he could chew but it Killed him right away. He was doing a lot. You know that was a prime fight though. I mean it was it was a full team fight And he wasn't the focus through the entirety of it. I'm just saying But that that does go into something that I again really like about this game Is the low time to kill because in other mo bus other games even you get cc'd for two seconds You could disappear before that two seconds is over this game We see adc's getting stunned for like five seconds, you know, not all at once And then they're like a quarter hp left, which isn't much but it's still better than being dead So it's good to see a low time to kill in my opinion because then squishies also don't disappear because a tank landed three basics in high time to kill High time to kill low time to kill would be yeah, low would be faster. Oh, yeah Yeah, it's good to see a high time to kill My bad my bad misspoke there, but I do like longer times to kill I thought it was actually a good like 50 50 There were moments where it seemed like guys should die really fast and they did And then there were some team fights where everybody's relatively full build for the time that they're doing the fights And they would go a little bit longer, you know, there was obviously I mean and this is again We talked about this earlier, but like A lot of these videos that we're seeing the whole intention It seems from the devs is just to create team fights over and over and over again So your game probably will not look like this when you load in it's going to be a little bit different And you also are not having, you know, john snow piloting some of these or hune piloting some of these, you know So it'll yeah, it'll be it'll be interesting. I can jet eyes on kwang. That's Maybe you might see me on kwang just trying to get a video for we're going to do a partner versus devs game I'm stun stun and low and and low are setting it up I am so nervous about that. I'll have to lay in against fucking john snow like the rest of them I don't care, but if I have to go against john snow's tv I don't I don't even give a shit if we're playing on na servers if we're playing on na servers And he'll still fucking kick my teeth in He's so good I said this last week too because I think we were talking it was either last week of the week before But we were talking about like the interview and when they were talking about the in-house tournament john snow's face He was so mad that he didn't do that. They didn't win You could just tell that he was like still upset about the fact that they lost because he's a competitive guy somebody in chat last time said that he was like a A top ranked player not only in korea, but then he came to na and was also a top ranked player You know, so I think that's pretty cool that you get to see. I think he was the top ranked player. Yeah Yeah, that's just surprising. Yeah, it's wild Well, jelly you have to go pretty soon, right? I do All right, you guys want to start closing it out then real quick or how much time you got left jelly five minutes Five minutes. Okay. Well, let me okay before before we completely in things I wanted to hit this comment and and this is just something for everybody to think on this is a A conversation I had with us with a subscriber in the comments. I think it was the day psycho six subscribers Yeah, sometimes He says uh, we were talking about how people have grown Like actually in their personal lives have grown since the death of paragon And uh, this is the psycho six was in high school when paragon died and uh, he says I can say that i've matured. I don't buy games nearly as much as before I have more money to spend but less time to play them So I choose where to spend my money, but more importantly where to spend my time So if these games are fun, I have no doubt in my mind that like me Many others will gladly play them and spend some money supporting the game that they love I have no issue paying for streaming services I pay for youtube so I don't have to watch the ads and the revenue for my subscription helps the content creators I watch the most thanks, man. I have no issue buying merch for communities I like and enjoy or buying games. I will genuinely enjoy, but that's the thing I got to enjoy them. I won't just blindly throw money at our project They got to convince me that they're worth my money and time So I think that's um That that's it's going to be that way for quite a few people 100 percent It's a healthy outlook to have to say the least because there's obviously the nostalgia. Oh, it's a paragon game This is my favorite character money It's good to look at it like well. Yeah, it's my favorite character, but is it really worth putting? Did they accidentally ruin the character? So it's it's a good mind set to have well and to with that I mean With fault, you know them bringing back icky and scorch like that was one of my favorite, you know additions to to fault and I fought myself a bunch of times from buying a skin purely because I just thought I was having a good time but I knew the game was Not where I wanted it to where I was going to invest the time and energy that it was going to take I think he hit the nail on the head with this this whole paragraph It speaks to a lot of people who are in that space I think that you know time is more important sometimes than the money that you might spend Um, and I'm not I have a lot more time than a lot of people because I'm gonna stay at home Disabled veteran and I still I'm really picky about what games I'm gonna put my time and effort into You know what I mean and um, I think jelly you were In high school or just getting out of high school right when paragon college when it opens and then Okay, so you were also pretty young. That's kind of wild to see where it's, you know, how long it's been and where it's come from Little baby boy All right. Well, I didn't really mean to for this to spark spark like a topic of conversation I just I just think it's something for people to think of maybe we'll hit it next week and and talk about it for now Let's wrap things up so we can get jelly on his way. I did the butthole bleaching not take Is that what you need to do? You need to go get it re-bleached I gotta go have tsa inspected all again to make sure It's time All right dapper dice final thoughts final thoughts on Overprime one thing that I would like to mention before we disappear off of it It is nice to see that the booster pads are up the entirety of the game once I lives in hibs The booster pads are still up that way you can constantly keep momentum as for Uh, self plug or is it just last thoughts? Are we doing self plugs? Oh, yeah, so self plug. So go ahead self plug to yeah Yeah, self plug after this. I'm probably gonna go live playing. I don't know what but I'll go live in about an hour after ftm ends uh on twitch dapper dice And as we are going to get closer closer into over primes release November 10th or 9th for most of na Expect tutorials on all of the characters on day two for that. So right on liking Uh, yeah, I mean final thoughts. I guess for op is again just love the amount of content They're continuing to push out because they could have very easily just been like, hey We're gonna have another play test and then radio silence instead They just put out a shit ton of videos and and so much content in all these videos Like when I got to sit there and watch with mangu's going live over those first like well How many was it like 12 videos or something like that? It was so cool to see all the different stuff that was going on and mangu's having to pause and like Wait, wait, I gotta go back and yeah, because that's how we all are reacting to this Like holy crap. Look at what this game is doing right now. So very very exciting to see I'm excited for the next You know iterations from predecessor as well because I think that they're gonna start ramping up some more content hopefully for us to see So I'm still really excited to see that but final plug for me. You can follow me on twitch Or I'm sorry not twitch on twitter. I don't really twitch anymore. So don't don't follow me there But on twitter and on youtube. I will be live for the first night that this goes out I put up a little post on my channel, but like probably about 30 minutes Maybe an hour just to talk make sure my settings are good And I think the guys are gonna join in on that same day and we're gonna try and get in some games Hopefully we can all queue together I'm still not sure how that's gonna work if they are gonna allow for multiple If it's solo not right to figure it out not in ranked I did know that but I didn't I didn't think we were gonna really test the waters of ranked right off the bat Well, maybe jelly. Well, I don't know. He's kind of crazy like that But yeah, so that's it. So follow me on youtube follow me on twitter and see you guys in game And we'll be doing probably a team. I'll let you guys know as it gets closer joan ease Not much. I'm excited for the test. I will definitely be streaming it for quite some time throughout it and yeah Follow me on youtube youtube slash joan ease All that good stuff magus. All right, everybody. Thank you for coming out and watching the live stream Thank you for watching this if this is the video the anime podcast will be coming back on thursday We're just pretty busy with all this overprime stuff But again, greatly appreciate it. Thanks for the for the gifties and everything tonight. That was that was really cool to see Um, not make me feel like a real twitch streamer That is gonna be it for tonight on the for the minions crew signing off you guys. Have a good one Man Special shout-out to channel members stunt covetous lemon the beard wolverine pizza face Pusey l draco king oda f6 actual des josh will have been knocked his soul reaper jman 63 Levy version two dapper dice lionheart official chlorox tv raven Blastoise king the omics for men jelly knees and our top gifter i bloodhunter