 Hey, everyone. Hey, Steve. Hey there, Bessie. How's it going? Hello. Got my wiki tree shirt. Oh, awesome. I have my wiki tree sweatshirt. Nice. Nice. These things get cool stuff. Exactly. Hello. Hello. I don't have much of a voice. So I'm going to just listen primarily. Okay. Well, we hear you just fine. Okay. Where, where is everybody? Coming. Zooming in from. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Lonoke, Arkansas. Great Sacramento. What? In California. Oh, okay. India. India. Oh, my next door neighbor. I'm in Illinois. A very pueden. Hmm. Comments and favorites. I don't know. Yeah. Being a lot of background, Bob, is that you? Can you turn that off, please? Of a cell. Okay, thanks. Do we have anyone from outside of the United States? I know there was from Australia who wanted to come. Hi, I'm Deborah. I'm in Sydney, Australia. Oh, great. Okay, were you the one who you were asking about the time change or not the time zones? No. Okay. What time is it there tomorrow? It's midday, so a very convenient time for me. Thank you for sharing it so I could participate. Yes, yeah. It's usually these evening ones are pretty hospitable for Australia, not so much for Europe. So that's why we have the Sunday ones. The new ones can still be stopped if there's a lot of people on the floor. You should have the team. I saw Hilary's post that it's one o'clock over there and the pen and shiles. Exactly, so. That's 1 a.m. So that would be quite dedicated too. You know, Steve, since you're gonna help me out a little bit, can I make you a co-host? Is that okay? Sure, no problem. There we go. And if I need to go back to Wakey Tree, I can search back and forth as needed. Yes, yeah, I have a bunch of pages ready to go. So. Most people are still coming in, so we'll just give it a few more minutes. And really, you know, this time is for you all and your questions. I do have some things that we can talk about, mainly to do more Wakey Tree in 2023, in 2023, looking for new ways to get involved. Or maybe you're a beginner and you don't know where to start. So hopefully this will give you some places to check out on Wakey Tree. I just have a new beginner. I download a JetGobb and I clean and I've started some profiles. Oh, good for you. Hey, that's actually a very good amount of progress. Good for you. I see, is it looking over the, Mary, Mary Sleppy came in, Mary, I recognize your name from the live cast on Saturday morning. Yeah, hi, thank you. And who are you besides Wakey Tree? I just joined. Your name says Wakey Tree. I know that's not your name. Yes, yes, yes, correct. My name is Betsy Koh. And I've been very active on Wakey Tree since December of 2020. Okay, thanks. Sure, and this actually sort of ties into the whole idea of how to get more involved in different areas of Wakey Tree. My analogy was when I first came to Wakey Tree, I was intrigued because I was researching an ancestor and I Googled the person and a Wakey Tree link came up and I went to the profile and I noticed there was a research note that was intriguing to me and it made me curious about Wakey Tree. So I joined, but it initially felt like I had wandered into a massive, massive castle. And for a long while, I was just sort of frozen in the entryway because I was afraid that if I went this way or that way that I'd never find my way back. So I sort of paralyzed for a little bit. And then gradually through getting connected and getting to know people, I got braver, I realized there's really no getting irretrievably lost or things can be undone and now I'm quite active. It's been a very fun journey. Steve, do you wanna, since you're helping me out today, you wanna tell your story a little bit too? Oh yeah, I just caught your conversation as I was actually looking for a link for someone in the chat. But I started in mid-2020, actually at the height of the pandemic, gave me something to do at the fast of the time and my grandmother had shared a pedigree chart with me, you know, one of the updated ones. So that really got the ball rolling. And when I found the person who was uploading a lot of the information from that area, they turned out to be my 10th cousin in Germany. So instantaneously, I have connected with family and we still work actively on a Germany project together. Great, yeah. So we're gonna talk about projects. That's a great question, Richard. Richard's asking about, or who was it that asked about the, yeah, Richard as well, on the differences between wiki tree and other universal trees. I think for me, I mean, of course, the family search is the big obvious one that comes to mind first. And I use family search a lot to find sources. But wiki tree hands down wins me over in terms of sourcing and the commitment to integrity and accuracy and collaboration. I had been doing genealogy on ancestry for about five years prior to coming to wiki tree and a little bit on family search, but there's nothing like wiki tree for the community and the research integrity. So. I have a couple of links in there. Those are for our about wiki tree page. You know, again, it talks about collaboration. Our privacy levels are a big thing that a lot of other trees don't have. So to be able to identify a profile with a certain privacy and the other ones are still open, and they can still attach to them is very important for a lot of people, I believe. So that's, I believe it's one of the selling points. But the funny thing is there is nothing to sell because it's completely free. And that is the best reason to join wiki tree. Right. Now, Richard, when you say you're having difficulty with the messaging system, you mean G to G? I'm not sure what I mean. I just mean I get messages sometimes and I'm not really sure how to respond. Okay. All right. Well, let me start screen sharing and that's a good place to start. Hope I'm picking. It seems like it's not an email system, but it's somehow comments on profiles in all the cases and I don't get that. Okay. So can everybody see my screen and I'm on the wiki tree homepage? Yeah. So if I go to, let's see. Just gonna go to my, there are a couple of places you can get messages. For instance, here, we're on my profile page and at the bottom of that, you can get messages here. And you would most likely also get an email alerting you that you have a message on your profile page. And this is the way that happens or if you wanted to send a message to somebody else that would be up here at the top of just above the bio send private message or no, wait a minute, that's to send a private message and down here, I think you would just post a new comment. So that's one kind of messaging. The other kind of messaging would be on G2G and although those are more just announcements, it wouldn't go to you directly. Richard, am I getting at what you're asking? Is this looking familiar to what you're asking? Yes, this gets on to it, but I don't understand a different thing posting a private message versus a message on your profile. And I don't understand how they're handled, differently, but. Right, so posting something down here will make it so that, I mean, everybody can see it. But everybody will see it who looks at your profile. It's just a post on your profile. Exactly. So it's not publicized anyway, it's just something, it's a comment on your profile. It's a comment on your profile and you would get an email notifying you, hey, there's a comment on your profile. But if it's, you should, I think. If someone else can put a comment on my profile, not just me. Yes, correct. Oh. Yeah. So yeah, you'd see like, for example. Down there, you can see example, Patty sent her a message. Right. Okay. And there's also a place to post comments on free space pages, which we can talk a little bit about those. So Patty actually, she commented both on my profile page and then on the 15 for 15 tracker, free space page that I did. So I answered her on that page. And then if it's something, if it's something a little more sensitive, then you would send it as a private message. And then in that case, you just get an email. Just go straight to your email client in that case. Oh, that's just email. Oh, okay. Oh, that's clear. Yeah. Because your profile is attached to your email anyway. So it automatically would send those messages to that email because it's attached to your account. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, that helps a lot. Thank you. May I add a question is on the topic of communications that is unless this portion is resolved for now, because there are more methods of communication that I'm confused about. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, absolutely. This time is for all of you. So I want, we want to answer your questions. Okay. So there are two methods of communication specific to the US Black Heritage Project, USVH that I'm confused about. And I'm new to wiki tree, although I'm developing, I have a guide, I'm on the path, I'm developing profiles, et cetera. And they are the Google group for USVH and Discord. Now I've been advised and invited to get on Discord. I'm having a lot of trouble getting into it. I'm not on it yet. What is the difference between communications on, for USVH people, which I think is our group today, although I could be wrong about that. What is the difference between the Google group and Discord? And do I need to, do I need to kind of fight to add Discord to my communication methods? Can I answer the question? Yeah, go ahead, Steve. Okay. So I prefer Discord just because everything that I get connections for, all my different servers are all on the same program. So it doesn't even have to be wiki tree. You can get on other servers with Discord. Before wiki tree, the good thing is, as long as they know what your badges are, they'll assign the correct channels to you before you actually get into it. So I've had other servers where you had to do it by hand and that was a little annoying. But at least if you're talking to someone who is on the projects, or someone on the wiki tree team, they can get all those different channels set up for you. So if you're looking for that particular channel, I think that you said that the black history one was the one you were referring to, USVH. Yes, yes. My work is specific to USVH. Right. So you should have access to that particular channel on the Discord server for wiki tree. So not everybody gets access to it. It just depends on what they're doing. I'm having a problem with Discord, which is a separate issue, setting up my account. And I wanna know if it's worth pushing them given that I'm also on a USVH Google group. And frankly, I don't know the difference between the two. Okay. It's specific to USVH. Yeah, I mean, Google groups is an alternative. So Germany project also uses Google groups and they communicate that way through threads, but it's not great for mobile devices as I discovered. I have to log in to my- Well, actually, Steve, I'm asking about content. Content. Are USVH members communicating both on Discord and Google group? Or are there different communications going on in both of those? I don't know. That's a question for USVH. I mean, if they're posting the same thing in both places, go ahead and ask them that. That's my question. That's my question. I mean, Discord would have things, people would bring up things at midnight, be like, hey guys, I have problem with this thing. Can you look into it? So Discord is more of an immediate thing where people can seize things as they're being typed or respond to them quickly. Google groups is more of a thread-based thing. So there might be different types of responses. Well, maybe I just need to figure out how to get into Discord. It's terribly organized, at least at my end, but... Yeah, I'm sorry. I'll have to check them out myself. Yeah, check with one of us afterwards and see maybe we can help you figure out the whole Discord thing, because signing into the program itself may have to involve an extra person. So certainly reach out to one of us. Yeah. And just to clarify, is this meaning today about, because I got it through coming to the table, so these are people who are just curious about Wicked Wicked Tree in general here today, not just USBH, is that right? Of course. Okay, thank you for that clarification. Yeah. So many different flavors of interest. Yes, I understand. Thank you for that correction. Yeah, yeah, we sent out the announcement about tonight's gathering to all the project leaders. So you might have heard about it from us. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. And just to add on to what Steve said, Discord has a lot of really lively, can have a lot of lively in-the-moment interaction. So I like it. It's really good for instance, sort of collaboration. There's someone, a Wicked Tree team member who could, I can connect you with her and I bet she could help you get set up. Okay, I'll stay at the end with the whole event. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yes, of course. Someone had, I had a question. Yes, I don't know what Discord is or what it's used for. Is there any way you could do maybe a, YouTube program or something describing Discord and how to get on it and how to use it for Wicked Tree? Making video. Does anything like that exist, Steve? I'm not sure. Well, I'm gonna try to exit out of your screen so I can get to my screen. Let me see. It's posted on the chat now. Exit full screen. Okay, so I'm gonna pull up mine. There should be a page on Discord within Wicked Tree to explain how our connection is with it. I mean, discord.com. So Discord is a program, a client for communication. It can be downloaded on any computer or any mobile device. It's a live chat system and Wicked Tree chooses to use it as our most efficient live chat system. I think it's more efficient to communicate through there than it is through GTG or other methods. Again, it's just my two cents. There is help Discord. So I'm gonna link that right here. Yes, Stephen, Stewart already did that. So it's already in the chat. Oh, thank you, Stewart. Oh, I'm so slow. Okay, there we go. Busy. Busy communicating. Some of us old ones are more visual and kind of need to see what it's like. So we know that they were in the right spot. I've never heard of Discord until it was brought up on one of the Saturday Wicked Tree programs. I can try and do a screen share with my screen so you can see what it looks like. Yeah, why don't you do that? Okay, all right. And then after we finished talking about this, Angie, I'm sorry, you had your hand up and your question is next. I wanted you to know we're not ignoring you. So let's see if I can... Okay, Discord. Hang on a second. And I was gonna say discord.com will get you to the page of which you can download the browser or the client to your computer or device. Yeah. As for Richard's question in the chat, how will data be preserved into the future? I think they have a lot of backup servers, a lot of triple redundancy built into the system. Okay. All right, this is what Discord looks like. Can everybody see that? Okay. So over here, you can see that there's a bunch of icons. The one at the top are direct, my conversations one-on-one with different individuals. But the rest of them are large, large group chats. Like for instance, here is WikiTree Canada, Scotland, England. You can see right now I'm on the page that's WikiTree sort of general. And there are all these different committees or projects. I'm doing the current challenge for connecting seven by seven. So like Steve said, it's automatic. I automatically became a part of this because I registered for the challenge. And it's just a lot of productive as well as fun back and forth. And because WikiTree is an international community, basically there's always somebody on Discord at all times. And so it's actually to give a little background on Discord, it started as a platform for video gamers to communicate and now it's spread way, way beyond that. I teach high school and so my students are always very amused if I'm screen sharing and they see a Discord notification come up and my coolness rating goes up. And there you can see someone's typing actively. You can actually see if someone's responding and who it is because we've assigned all of our IDs to our accounts here on Discord. So Erbach 13, March 96, 08, and you can go straight to their WikiTree page from there. Well, you can't click on them but you can look them up that way. Yeah, yeah, you are. We do require everybody to use their profile ID as part of their name. And then you can do whatever you want for the first part. Okay, does that help? Go ahead to the sidebar on the left. Go ahead and just scroll down and show them some of the other topics so they can get an idea of like all the things you're involved in. It's like Teams, for example. And so if it is bolded, that means that there are some notifications that I haven't seen. If it's sort of grayed out, then I'm caught up. When we do Connect-a-thon or Source-a-thon for the different teams, Discord is a really lively arena for communication. But to go back to the question about which, Sarah's question about which should she go with Discord or the Google groups, I think it really depends on that particular group of people and just how that little sub-community works best as well as your comfort level. Those are the two things. I just have to try it. Yeah, yeah, try it. I mean, it's free. And if you don't like it, you can just take it off your phone or your computer. Angie, what was your question? One was a comment and then one was a question. So I thought that when you were showing like how you can post a comment on someone's profile, it said something like you can move it to G2G. Does that mean then the whole message goes over to G2G and everybody can see it? Is that what that means? Yeah, let's look at that again. Let's see, okay. So yes, I mean, but if you post something on somebody's wall here on their profile, everybody can see it anyway. Oh, they can. Okay. Yeah, okay. I just was, because it said move to G2G, I was a little confused. I thought maybe only the profile manager saw it. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And then I had another question. I feel like it's a dumb question. There are no dumb questions. Like, so I joined the Notables, right? And I know that there are a lot of Notables that maybe can be updated and everything, but let's say I wanted to add a brand new person. I didn't know like how to do it because I saw the one place, they kind of give you like a template or something. Right. But I didn't know, I don't know if I'm missing something. Like if I want a brand, you know, I can add a program. Are you talking about adding somebody who's not connected? Like usually we add like, oh, so and so's father or so, you know, a relative, but this is like a totally unconnected person. Yes. Like someone not related to me, but maybe famous. Right. So I think should be recognized or something. That could be for anybody here. There's a friendly button. So add. So I, you know, just on, I'm sorry, menus are hugely, so you see you've got these menus. Oh, okay. So go to add. Uh-huh. Then you're going to be able to add a new person. Oh, okay. Okay. And then add an unrelated person. Oh, okay. And now, you know, if it's somebody famous, there's, they might already, did you check and see if they're on Wikipedia already? Yes, I did. Okay. They're not. They're not. But I also noticed that I have to check multiple times in different ways because for like, there was another notable who I originally wanted to do, but has a page. When I did the search, it says, I'm sorry if you hear my dog in the background, she wants some attention. Yeah. So for example, I typed someone's last name and it came up that, you know, it doesn't exist, but then someone put a comment, let me know, oh, you're looking for this person. And they did have a page. It's just like, I'm like, a lot of the people that I do research on are from Puerto Rico. So they have two names and sometimes they have a Y in between and sometimes not. Yes. So that's when I started to realize, okay, maybe I have to do a better search multiple ways because I feel bad. I don't want to start a new page that's already been started. Well, yeah, we want to avoid that, but it happens. And there's a process, if it does happen, where you would merge the two profiles. Okay, so I'll keep that in mind. Okay, and then I know how to add a new notable, which I will double check to make sure. Right, right. But it is completely new. Okay. Yeah. All right, for me. Do we have, great. Okay. Do we have other questions or we can talk through some, these menu buttons up here at the top are enormously helpful. We can talk through some of those, but. I posted one in the chat, sure. I'm relatively new. I first started in November and I had to take a couple of weeks off to let it digest. But now that I'm back, it's making more sense. And so I have figured out how to add family search sources. Yes. And I'm going through and adding as many as I can. And I'm now figuring out how to write a bio and insert them in line referencing sourcing. But I have several things that are at Ancestry. I can't find them on family search. I've really looked. They're only at Ancestry. And I would see an example. I just, the YouTube's that I've seen a stuff say try to avoid Ancestry. Try to go to family search. But sometimes they're just at Ancestry or there've been things that documents that I have scanned personally and put at Ancestry. And so I was just trying to figure out do you just actually have to type in each line one by one? Not necessarily. No. Okay. Because I did try and copy and paste the whole citation and I had to spend about 10 minutes editing it to make it. Yeah. So is that how it is? I would like to see an example of how it's done. Sure. Yeah. I can show you an example. There's no, this is a little bit beyond beginning wiki tree but there is a really wonderful app called Sorcerer. Please do you want to maybe find them? I'm just going to link to apps in general. There's also an Ancestry citation builder as well. So it's on this page. I did see the file extension. I was just learning file extension somewhere else. And I did see the Sorcerer file extension. I haven't tried it yet. I think I saw a couple of different brands of that. You want the one that Rob Pavey developed? And what you'll, okay. So I'm sharing my screen again. The icon is just this little one here. So, let's see, I had used it here. Okay. So I had found a marriage record for this couple on Ancestry. When you're on the page in Ancestry, that not the actual image of the document but all the transcripts and document detail, that's when you just want to click that one and it'll say, oh, would you like an inline citation? Would you like just a citation to put it at the bottom? You click that and then you get a pop-up that says, it's now copied to your clipboard. And then you get something like this. So the Sorcerer formats it for you? Yes, yes. The worst inconvenience that I've found, I'm very happy with Sorcerer. The worst inconvenience I've found with it, which is not bad, is that occasionally I have to, there's like a great little bit of code for a break that I just have to delete and just to make it look nice, you know, the way it lays out on the page. That's, I'm willing to sacrifice that for what it does. How do you get to Sorcerer, Betsy? Yeah, so what you would have to do is you would have to, let's see, find, is it under apps? I don't think it was within help apps, actually. I looked for it. It's a browser extension, right? Yeah, it's actually a browser extension. So you have to go into your browser and I find it in extensions. And yes, that's the right one person in the chat who does- Here, okay. So here is the page. Yes. Yes, okay. So I'm gonna drop this in the chat. Oh, there is already a link in the chat from Allison. So I think we're good. Is it the same one as at the free space page? Yeah, it's the free space page. Okay, great. So I got it long enough ago that I don't remember exactly how I got it, but it says here that how to install that you have to go to the- The web store. It is a free app, but you have to go from like add-ons and it gives, depending on what browser you're using. Yeah, sorry for the confusion earlier. So this is separate from a WikiTree app, which is an internal thing to WikiTree. This thing will actually overtake your internet browser. So it'll be able to do that depending on, if you're on an ancestry page or a family search page, it'll then see that you're on one of those pages and then it'll say, okay, I can go ahead and activate. Would you like me to create a citation for this page? And then you go back to WikiTree and paste it in. So that's how that would work. Let me see if I think it would be helpful if I could actually like do an example. So I'm on this person's page and here's something that you might not know about. This research underneath on the right-hand side, you do that. Oh, it's gonna ask me to log in. Okay. Okay, and I wanna do 193.6, right? All right, Royson's, no, that's the wrong person. 193.26, CS, there we go. Okay, so this will just auto-populate this, all these fields with everything you already have on your WikiTree profile for the person. Then you can come down here and I often go to family search, but you can also go to ancestry. And let's see, we'll pop that. So try to think fast about what we could add here. This is my correct person, I know, because I've been researching him for this family for about two weeks now. So if we go here, okay, so this is what I was saying, you wanna be on this detail page, not the image page. Okay, and then if I go to all I do now is I click that one and I'm gonna build an inline citation, it works super fast. Now I'm gonna go back to Levi edits. I will clean this up later, but let me say. Ooh, a secret Santa profile. 1870 census. Hey, crisis, you've arrived. Have you arrived? Gloria, your background. Okay. Oh wait. Yes, I hear you, I hear you. Can you hear me? Oh, you're very muffled, Gloria. It's very static-y. Yeah, I'm on Zoom right now, but. Yeah, I'm gonna clean up these little breaks. So now have a good time. We're doing fine here, okay? I love you. Don't worry. Me too. Bye, Darren. Okay, now if I preview it, there you can see. Oh, yeah. And I didn't have, I mean, if you're a really serious genealogy, it's a good idea to be able to construct a source citation, but it does slow things down and wonderful tool. May I ask a follow on detail for that? You used the seed prompt that highlighted the insert your source here in line. Then did you, did you control V? I mean, was it, you had it on a, yes? Okay. Yes. Because you already had it, when you said create the citation, it put it on a clipboard. Right. Right. You needed to do control V to stick it in there. Exactly. And it's, Sorcerer is so smart that it actually, when I ask it for an inline citation, it already generates the little beginning ref and closing ref. Okay. I didn't even need to do that. I forgot. And so then I ended up with double refs. So I backtracked and fixed that. Okay. That's why there was extra one. So you only need to just go and control V it in there. Okay. Yes. Great. Thank you so much. Yeah. Yeah. And you'll also notice that it is done wiki formatting to it by adding the extra little tick marks for italicizing and bolding. So it just makes it look nicer when you do it that way. Right. Right. To have it pop up. Oh, boom. 1870 census. Marriage. Yeah. Yes. There is some source sense citation, whatever for those that are just images on either family search or ancestry. Well, so, so I'm working with two databases. One on family search, one on ancestry. Those are the only two databases for my part of place in Italy. Uh-huh. Okay. I have, I, there's no indexes. I have to go through each image. Oh my goodness. Betty Liu, that's dedication. Oh, and then I have to transcribe it and translate it. Wow. Yeah, that's pretty hardcore. Yeah. But that has to happen sometimes. I've gotten lost in it so many times because it actually, it takes my grandfather's family back four to five generations. Wow. And that includes siblings and cousins. And it's, the only, that's easy is, one, the surnames are not that common in that area. And two, all the records have mother, father, child in it and all women have their maiden names. So that makes it easy, but it's just, I've had to come up with my own template. So do I put, do I put the web address to the image even though you have to be in or not? This actually, it's nice that I have both an ancestry record here. And here's the census that I found on FamilySearch. So I think the most, I think if I were you, I would come up with a template where you can just insert the information. It's most important that you be able, I mean, the purpose of source citations is to allow other people to go in and say I'm in the document that you've looked at. Yeah, I've got the film number and the image number and the entry number. So if you can provide a link like this so that, you know, somebody can go and just look at what you've looked at. So I should put in the actual web address for that page. Okay, and as far as someone helping me from Italy. Chris Freolos, your man. Well, mine so far north that the majority of the records are in French. Wow. Wow. There's an Italy project, are you involved with that? I am not, I haven't got involved because Osta's genealogy is different than the rest of Italy. It's like outside slaying between France and Germany. You could be a member of both Italy and France projects. I don't, I'm still so new that I'm still learning. I mean, I can read everything up here. It's a very unique area that you're working in. Well, actually it's not because at any one time, I think the most, the largest population in that area at any one time is not much bigger than 150,000. Well, that's okay. Cause that would actually fall into a one space, sorry, a one place study. So if you have an area that's very specific to your research, you could be like the expert on Wiki Tree for just that area. So if anybody else has ancestors there, they'll know who to go to, they'll be able to talk to you about it then. So I could do a free page on Osta with what I have. You could, it doesn't exist already, yeah. No, it doesn't. And nowhere does it say that the records are in French. Everywhere it says it's Italian. Right. There's only like two or three years of it in Italian until you get to about 1910. It might be over a hundred years where it's all in French. Okay. So, I mean, that's what I mean. It's quite a bit different than everywhere else. It's like the only thing I could think of, it would be like Alsacelle, Lorraine, that goes back and forth. Right. So it's a different area. Yeah. If you put in Osta Valley for free pages, you know, come up. Okay. I'm gonna ask Steve mentioned Chris Ferriero and also Greg Clark. Both of them are involved in team in the Italy project. So I'm gonna ask them about, you know, if there's anyone else in the project who works really far north in Italy. Or west in that case, northwest, like near Monaco. No, it's, you go up one road from Osta. You hit Switzerland, you go up the other road, you hit France. And we're talking about maybe a hundred kilometers from Osta to either border. Luxembourg, weird area. So, I mean, and I'd like to know how I can update their information on those stuff because nobody's been working in there. Okay. I would create my own free space page and then eventually they can link to it. They can say, hey, there's this person working on it. Go ahead. I could do a free space page for Osta. Yeah, you can start up a free space page. You just go up at the top, add, and then a new thing. And a new thing can be on anything as long as it's appropriate. Yeah, that's what I get. Right, right. Free space pages are great. They're very flexible. They're the perfect sort of repository for information that's important but maybe doesn't quite fit in a person's biography. But they are relevant. People have used them for overall family information, one-place studies, family recipes. I like learning that. Yeah, they're really great. So, yes, Richard. Free space page, it's free as opposed to what? I mean, what are the categories? So free as in free, it can be whatever you want. No restrictions. I mean, is it as opposed to profiles? I mean, are profiles the other category? Yes. So let me just go to my watch list for a second. So my watch list, these are all my profiles that I've added. But then on this other tab, I can look at free space profiles. Okay, free space. Yeah, I don't have a lot. But for instance, I did this one to recap family, one of my lines. So you mentioned these are different countries, specific projects, which I'm very interested in for Germany, but Germany is way too big. I'm interested in a 50 square mile area. So I could make a free space page for that area and then have people work on it with me or somehow. Sure. Richard, are you already in a Germany project? Well, I was, but I didn't seem to be relevant to me. I mean, I know all my relatives in Germany, at least back to 1700. So yes, Steve. I work on German stuff. I have free space pages to show you. Can I share my screen? Yeah, go for it. Okay. Well, it's more the concept, you know? I mean, I understand these projects. So each project is basically a free space page then. Is that right? Yes and no. Not every free space page is a project. Oh, it can be, yeah. Every project should be a free space page because that's the only other place to host them. Got it. So let's see what we got here. I have mine up now and I'm on the Retreat Sorcerer page at the moment, but I'm gonna go to my stuff. So I'm just the fastest way for me to go to something is just go to my profile. Yeah. It's taking a second. Okay, I have a lot of badges and things on here, but we're just gonna go down to here as soon as it decides to load. Here we go. Okay, so I put all of my space pages at the very front. So people can see what I'm working on. So everybody can see this, right? Free space pages managed. Yeah, so for example, my space pages here, I have Sock County, Wisconsin. I have the Village Abelman Rock Springs that's within that county. Okay, so I see you have all these pages now. The thing is, once you have a page, do you link to profiles in that or do people put all their profiles in there so we can aggregate things or? Yeah, so let's look at Lawn Christ, Yielsen. So Lawn Christ is basically a county in Germany and this is within the intersection of one of the 16 states of Germany. I'm just gonna click on this because this is very well-developed compared to that. If you can see here, so we've identified what it's about, Lawn Christ Yielsen is the state. We're talking about all the villages and all the cities that are within that county. And then at the top of indicated who is involved in this project. So our friend Dieter, who does political structure and history of Germany and a lot of translations, my cousin Oliver that I mentioned, he also helps me out with a lot of identification of surnames and he has a lot of sources. Then we have our task that we wanted to work on. So we developed a category structure, history, identified notables, surnames, cemeteries, right? You can see all these pictures. Yeah, you can see these photos on the side. This is a photo right here that shows all the different municipalities. But is there any software behind this? Is there any logic and code or something that actually makes it do something? Or is it just like a web page? This is based, I mean this page is based off of the wiki tree, the media wiki that wiki tree uses. So they have a very specific code that they want their pages to look like. So this follows the format of those pages. This is why the images are on the right and then the text is on the left. As you go away, that area disappears, but the text remains. And you can see that I've developed the basic history of the area we're talking about. As you go down, it gets more recent. And then I got into a geographic history where we actually talk about what things existed at what times, locations. So it can get pretty complicated here, but we want people to understand what's the general flow of borders here, whether it's the German Confederation or it's the state of lower Saxony, right? Does this link to profiles though that are people that are in those areas that are being researched? Right, yeah, I mean, so all of these, for example, are categories for these locations. If I click on, say for example, okay, Robel, which is where my relatives are from, that is the category that has all of my ancestors and then some that lived in that village. So now the connection can be made between the free space page and the actual people that resided in that area. We've just broken it down recently into its individual component. So Robel is within kind of a sub-county area and then that sub-county area is divided into another sub-county area. So you put hashtags on the profile somehow and then this does a search for all those people. So you simply add the count, you put the category on the profile. So for example, if it was gonna be within this one, it would be category, colon, bad bevancin, eater, sachet, and then you close it with double brackets. The double brackets allows the category to be made and that attaches this profile to this category. And again, they're all nested. So the farther you get away, the more areas you're looking at. So now this is one, I'm not even getting to German here, but we'll say it's a sub-category of that land Christ that we talked about, Yielsen. So Yielsen now just has these places within it and there's the space page that I was just on. It's right there as it's also linked to this category. And then anybody else that is not established, like we don't know where they actually lived in that category, we just put them on this basic parent category until we get more information. So hopefully that answers a couple of questions for you. Yes, I just wanna back off of two things that Steve said. I wanna just go over in case people don't know how you do hyperlink to a profile. Like sometimes when I'm doing a biography of somebody, I wanna say Joe Smith was married to Mary Brown. And I wanna link to Mary Brown's profile. I was gonna just go into one of my ancestors really quick. So you've seen this guy before, you've seen him before Betsy. This is my second great grandfather, Heinrich. I also have an extension that tells me that it's at the very top here. So my screen's gonna look a little bit different from yours. But if I go into edit, I can see all the things that are in the text. And at the very beginning are all the categories. So we like to put the categories above the biography because that nest them, formats them correctly, they're just in the right spot. But you can see the double brackets that start off and then you put in category colon. You don't even need a space here. I know it displays differently on the actual categories, but it's not required. And then just whatever the name of that is. And if you're uncertain about what category it might be need to go to, you can just simply hit this button up here, categorize, and you can have automatic options. So say, I thought maybe he wasn't actually in Ravel, maybe he actually was in Bob Bevinston. So I'm going to put that one in. And if I type in a couple of letters, I'm actually drops that down and I can select it. And then it puts it at the very top. I click away and so I wanted to save it. It would be in there. But I know more specific information than that. So I'm just not going to include that category. Same situation for any kind of links to other profiles. You'll see like down here, I linked to the space page. So I did the double brackets. I put in the word space. My grammar really wants to correct me on this. And then I just typed in the name of the page. You have to make sure you get the state in there. I did a piped link. So this is a pipe that separates this from this part. And then I just put in text. So then said, like Christ, you also close it with the double brackets, put a period at the end for nice pronunciation, or not pronunciation, punctuation is the word, you know, and there you go, there's a basic link for that. And then the rest of these are more complicated, advanced, maybe not so advanced depending who you are, but you know, references. So ref name, whatever the name of that reference is and then the actual citation itself. So you can see in the one sentence, Fred married his second wife. Whoops, go back. Oh, you want me to go back? Okay. Yeah, Fred married his second wife. So that will that, the double bracket. Down there, here it is. Sorry. Yeah, with the profile name, the vertical line, and then that will create a hyperlink that will just say Anna Gauss. And if you click on it, it will go to the profile. Right. And the same thing for anybody in here, I've been the same thing for the children list. So the only thing that will display is the information on the right, the information on the left will go to their profile. So you don't have to see rib key seven, for example, as the hyperlink, it'll display just their name. And so, yeah, go ahead. If you forget that, look on the right. Whoops, go back, go back. Oh, you still want me to stay in his face? So see, it says how to add links. And so, you know, it just, if you forget that, and I know there was a period of time where I was like, does the name go first? And then the wikitree ID or the back of yourself. So it's right there for you. There's a little bit of cheating over here on the right to help you with basic sources, inline references, categories again. So yeah, I mean, we try to provide as much information as possible anywhere, really. But yeah, I was going to jump to the bottom because now you can see, like, this is just a preview of that profile, but anything that has wiki markup, you know, I have this in bold, these inline citations here are within the text. So they all go to the bottom of the page if you click on them. So that'll automatically pop up to this naturalization record, you know, and then you can actually click on the link to family search, for example. I like mine to look a little nice. These are not created by the Sorcerer, by the way. I just bolded them myself because I just like it to look nice. But you know, you're a mileage might vary and everybody's ticket page is going to look different. So there's no one format for it. You don't have to feel like you're not catching up to other people's standards just because they might do things their own way. I'm just very particular. We all have our early wiki tree profiles that you go back, you stumble across them and think, oh, I got to go and clean this up because you gained a lot of knowledge about how to make profiles look pretty since you're first in the future. So yeah, that's a good example. Go ahead if anybody has questions. Yeah, actually, Betty Lou had asked how to create a category and I have not done that. Have you done that? I do it all the time. If you really, really need to, I know it's not within project, person or thing. You usually have to create it directly off of the profile that you're making and categorization project wants people to make sure there's at least one profile in any category that exists because if there's a category sitting out there with nobody in it, they're not happy. They want to make sure that there's at least one person attached to it and then that category has a parent category attached to it so that people can find it without having to go on to profile. It's very important that we do with that. I mean, I don't know how to make a fake profile, make a fake category. I could try it. I could probably just make up something like Germany beekeepers. I don't know. There were a lot of those people out there. You never know that the number of categories is astounding and might already exist. Yeah. Is there any place to see them? I mean. Yes. I'm going to do something funny. I'm going to revert myself later, but this is just the test. So we're going to submit. And then it's going to tell me at the bottom here. Oh, look, this category doesn't exist. Save anyway. So I'm going to create this category. And then it saves. I'm going to go to the very bottom where the categories are actually clustered and you'll see that this one is standing out in red. The rest of them should all be in green or like black. So I wanted to create this category and I go here and it says, you follow the link to the page that doesn't exist yet. Why don't you add something? It'll note that there is a profile in it because I just added it as page. Oops, I did not want to do that. So I'll just say, for example, this is a stop. This is a category for beekeepers in, I cannot type today, sorry, in Germany, right? And then it's also important that other people get to see it. So we'll go back to category and we'll put in beekeepers. And look, there's already a category for beekeepers but there's not one generalized to a country yet. So I'm just going to do that and then I just like putting in, you know, some summary saying new category and then you would hit the save page button and then it would save. But I don't want to do this right now. Right. So everything up to save page, that would be the flow. And I'm simply just going to remove this category from my ancestor because I know for a fact that he was not a beekeeper and I'm terrified of those anyway. Is there a way to show the existing categories unless, except by, you know, trying to edit your profile? Well, if you go to find that you should be able to drop down a category should be right there. Yeah. I can't see my screen because I have some people in the way. My face is in the way here. No, that you're good. Where's the rest of my screen? I can't even see my stuff at the top unless I, okay, I'm going to do this real quick. One moment. That is steam. Get out of here. Where did my, sometimes I don't know what I'm doing. All right, there it is. I can finally see them now. Category categories is your master category. All categories come from category categories. You can't go any farther down from this. If you click in categories, it'll just link back in on itself. But from here, you can go to any category that's already in the system. So say you want to go to regions. Say you want to go to Europe. You'll click on Europe in all 76 countries, pop up for that. You go to Germany. Say, for example, and you'll see there's things nested within that. And then it just continues. You'll get a little bit of information on the Germany page because it'll be like, hey, would you like to know about the states or the nobility? Let's location. And then you can see all the stuff that's connected to Germany. Everything from warp rides to featured connections, political history, place studies are in here. How did you get in here? I don't think that's supposed to be there. That should be best. By the way, on the left, there was a Germany maintenance categories. And that would be things like if there's a German profile that doesn't have any sources, there's a category for that. Or if it doesn't have a biography, there's category, things like that, where people at the Germany project who want to just help the overall of German profiles can then go in and see, aha, I could give this profile a little love. Yeah, like this person needs a little bit of love. They have a very basic profile here. Oh, actually they have a really good biography. So that would be an easy one to- They just don't have any citations in this first part. So maybe include the 1855 newsletter here. Their research notes are developed, but they're still looking for additional things like their birth records and their marriage records. They have their death record, apparently. But they're still looking for additional records. So that's where that went into that category. And this is actually somebody that went to Australia. This is a German who emigrated to Down Under. So it must be one of those sub-projects. It's part of, yeah, migrants from Wurtenberg to Victoria. So you can click on that category and then you can see all the people. Well, not too many, but there's some Germans that did go to Victoria. Categories are a terrific way to focus in. And then my favorite part is my connections. I don't know if you see this, but there is a little green button at the upper right-hand corner of every category. And you can see if you're related to those people. You can click on them and I am not related to them, but a lot of them are about 27 to 30 degrees away from me. And that's a whole other thing to talk about. That's the connection to mine. I was looking at categories in the area I'm interested in creating a category for already exists. So the category is there. So I would go into all the profiles that are relevant and put that category in them, I guess. Yeah, basically you just populate that category. I see. Doing the method that I showed earlier just by putting in the text. I never knew that. Yeah, I mean, these are really powerful. I think categories are one of the best features Wikitree has to offer because you can cross-reference them so many different ways as long as they're grouped. But there's so many profiles out there that don't have any categorization. And I would always recommend people categorize whenever possible. Yeah, and in going back to the question at the beginning of the hour about what makes Wikitree different from other universal family trees. I mean, they don't have categories that families that I'm aware of. So very powerful tool. Yeah, I know they're little tabs. I had posed a question in the conversation and I'm in chat and I'm kind of running short on time. So I wondered if I can pose that question now. It's a different topic. Is that okay? Yeah, of course, Sarah. You want to take it over, Betsy? At the end of the category is a category conversation, which I know is complicated. So again, I'm on a specific project, but I am focusing specifically as I'm hearing some people on this call are on my own ancestry and there's a lot of work to do there. The USPH project is all about finding enslaved ancestors and my ancestors were white enslavers. What I notice in the Google group chat and in the G2G chats that are specific to my program, it appears that there is no one that I've noticed who is focusing just on their own ancestry. It appears that people are plugged into all of these competitions that go on at Wikitree, the 15 for 15, what can we do to build the notables, projects and all of that. So I'm feeling a little strange, like not fitting in with what other people are doing. Tell me what goes on generally in Wikitree in terms of people's motivations and focus. I think it's highly individual, Sarah. And in a phrase, I would say, you do you. And so I myself, I've started out focusing on my own family, but I've gotten drawn into doing some of the, like the England projects or future where you work on profiles of people unrelated, the Secret Santa challenge. And it's sort of fun. You just learn a lot that way. And I know that it's helping the overall health. Well, sure, I understand that. So, but I will confess, like I use the thons, the connectathon and the source thons to really go nuts with my own family. I just work on, oh, I need to add all these siblings to this great aunt. And, you know, I do that. It's a balancing act because we have... I mean, I'd love to be of service, but I have many, many, many enslaved people to profile. And that's the focus of this whole project. So... I think that's great. No, there's no right way to... You have to do what calls you. It's just that there's not a lot of conversation about it in it. It makes me wonder. That's all about people's discoveries and work on their own ancestry, at least in my program. And you're in the... US Black. It's called the US Black Heritage Project. Okay. And it's new, you know, relative to the history of wiki tree, maybe a couple of years old. So growing and learning and all of that. So... Right, that's Emmett McBeath's project. Yes, yes. Yeah. Sarah, are you on Facebook at all? Very... I'm on it as little as I can be. There's a lot of them. Enslaver, enslaved groups there. I'm into it. This is my enslaver enslaved group here. Okay, yes. But if I'm looking for support, I can certainly check that out. And I'm in a non-research group that's all about this work. And so that's very supportive. I'm just wondering about the role of wiki tree in all of this. We'll talk to Emma about it as well. It's probably just getting started up and it's such an uncomfortable subject that a lot of people don't know how to talk about it. And that's why I like following those Facebook groups because it's giving me the language and the opportunities. And I'm in another group that does the same thing. So just a question of the wiki tree piece of it all. I love wiki tree. It is absolutely amazing. Absolutely amazing, even though I have a little experience with it. So thank you. Oh, well, we're glad to have you. We probably should wrap things up. But I wanna thank everybody for being here tonight. I'm gonna save the chat and make sure that the chat was going by so fast that I know I didn't see everything. So if I can follow up with people afterwards, I will and make sure everybody's questions are answered. Two thoughts that I'd leave you with in terms of, if you're looking to connect with more wiki tree years, I put in a plug for the Saturday morning live cat which happened Eastern Standard Time 10 a.m. I'm one of the hosts, so I'm with Max Baldwin and Sarah Callis and Gray Clark. And it's just a really great overview of what's going on and we can do every week. And it was the little sub community that helped me feel at home. And I learned a lot by the profiles that were shown. That's how I was like, oh, so that's how you do that. Or, oh, look, you can do this. And then the other thing I'd recommend are the weekend chats. So you can just put in as a tag that you wanna follow. And chat, just follow that in your tags on your profile. That's run by Pip Shepard. And it's just a really friendly written community where people post about what they're researching, you know, what's going on in their lives and, you know, genealogy questions. So those are both good places to find a little hangout on Wiki Tree. All right, well, thank you so much, everybody. And is there a place they can find us after this is over in case they need to discuss any additional questions? So please feel free to send me a message, post a comment or send me a private message on my profile. I'm at co31. I'll do the same. See, yep. And there is mine. Yep. We're definitely willing to help. No bad questions at all. We're all here to be a community for you guys. Yeah. Oh, and one more thing, I will put in a plug for one more thing, which is Wiki Tree Academy. If you're new or you're looking for some bad news, this is something, if you go into the G2G and just search, Steve Harris, who's a Wiki Tree team member, he put a post up about that. And it's a, you know, sort of sequential set of modules on how to use Wiki Tree. Okay. Well, the presentation Sunday be the same as this one because I got in late. Yes and no. I mean, each presentation sort of depends on who's there and the questions that they ask. So it won't be identical. Please come back Sunday. If you want to, would love to have you. And, but it'll be along the same lines of more Wiki Tree in 23. And we just had a new person join. What the teller that we're ending already, unfortunately. Yeah. Sorry, Lynn. We just, we're closing up shop now. But if you have any questions at all, feel free to contact any of them. They're gone. Yeah. Okay. Okay, they left. All right. All right. Well, thank you everybody. Have a good night. Thanks for coming by. Thank you.