 But I was against them trading for Bradley Beale during the season He's an excellent player because it would have prevented them from having Maximum cap space this summer and I get it everybody say well magic never missed the playoffs Well magic never played with less than three Hall of Famer because it's difficult It's a mental drain to play these regular season games when you know It's all about May and June Chris Broussard here and welcome to the brand-new Hoops on Fox podcast This podcast will give you your daily dose of all things NBA from Fox Sports including the best content from Skip and Shannon Nick right plus special guest fresh NBA content from myself post game interviews from NBA stars around the league and much much more Up first Chris Broussard joins Nick and CeCe to explain who's really in control of the Lakers Broussard, do you think the Lakers gave LeBron too much control when putting this team together? We've been saying this all year that you know LeBron when they met with magic LeBron was talking about what he wanted to be surrounded by First, I think we have to understand magic Magic had a lot of say with the Lakers He was had a really great relationship with the owner Jerry bus and to the point where some of his teammates Were a little leery of it like they thought he was Magic when he was a player correct. Yeah. Yeah had a great relationship. We know he got Paul West head fire Great story about that is that when somebody very close to the late Jerry bus came to him and said then we got a huge problem Right magic. You got a huge problem. Magic said he doesn't like the coach and the late Jerry bus said well That's not a big problem at all. Get rid of the code fire the code Riley's there and showtime begins but go yeah, but that that's magic Okay, so and I think a superstar should have some say so I don't mind sitting there listening to LeBron And I get where LeBron was coming from. Okay, we tried to out shoot the Warriors in Cleveland. We couldn't okay When we beat them in 2016 we had and even challenged them pretty well in 2015 with Al Qaeda and Kevin Love We we had right we had tough gritty defenders. We like you said we mucked it up We we need some playmakers to I want some other guys that can make plays with me So magic should have taken that into consideration and okay. We'll go get a few of those guys But also get some shooting. They're not mutually exclusive and that's the thing He didn't do I would have loved for them to keep brook brook Lopez. Well now that looks like a disaster Oh my god, can you imagine how good? I mean they tried to get brook Lopez light in Mascala and he's really like We saw Channing fry and the last date legs of his career Be good with LeBron a stretch five brook Lopez this year now He wasn't as good of a shooter last year's it was this year really this year with Milwaukee It's opened up something entirely and brook Lopez was cheap right three and a half million bucks Here's here's the thing. I would be to be fair on all sides of it I clearly had underestimated how much influence LeBron had on the roster because I had been told very Specifically and I still believe and I and I almost know what to be true LeBron did not present them here the names to go Get no, but what he did say has now been reported Repeatedly by you Ramona show or in others is the archetype of player They then came up with a list of guys They think they could get that fit that archetype and LeBron signed off and there was only so many guys available But that's the other elements. It wasn't like it was a great list Right, right guys that you can get cheaply on one year deals This laker team would look very different if they weren't adamant about keeping max cap space But I was against them trading for bradley biel during the season He's an excellent player because it would have prevented them from having Maximum cap space this summer. So when you are building a team that is not really for this year It's to keep flexibility for next year. There are going to be some limitations They still everyone could have done a better job and you could have recognized that like Beasley isn't a playmaker He's not right. I don't know why they picked up, right? Everyone could have done a better job. The only thing this really should be a dispute here Is the choice of words did they give LeBron too much control because I believe that's the wrong word They asked LeBron. They made suggestions to LeBron's as far as what do you think as long as you've been playing in this league Matter of fact, we haven't been to the playoffs in Five years, right? So, I mean what we're doing it was like Nick Saban He told me when he got hired at university alabama He talked to the president and the president told him what kind of football team he wanted on the field And Nick Saban said I was I was more than cordial. I allowed him to explain to me What kind of team he won? And then I went on to tell him That I was making all the decisions and the type of team that he had won had gotten smashed And they had taken the role out of the tide he had planned on bringing the role back to the tide so In doing that I can understand. He's been the eight straight finals Why wouldn't you ask him if I'm sitting outside and on on your front On on in on the street waiting for free agency sitting in my car What do you think once LeBron agrees to come? What else are you going to talk to him about? Hey man, what style you want to play right? I mean, what else are you going to talk about? What kind of players man? What kind of who do you like man? Who do you think is underrated? Who are you familiar with? Who are you comfortable with? And the list that was presented to him was not a great list So any superstar we have seen it through the history of time They always get blamed if the coach gets fired they get part of the blame That's all part of being a superstar in the NBA, but I believe that they went about it the right way They were just magic wasn't right and LeBron wasn't right But also LeBron hasn't been the best at evaluating talent seemingly and he wanted Dwayne Wade there because they were friends It didn't quite work out. We we heard the rumors that he wanted Carmelo Anthony That really wasn't going to work out He doesn't have the best judgment in evaluating talent whether he even should have playmakers or shooters Chris facade I want you to make a list of guys who have been exceptional at the NBA And they are good at talent evaluators Because it's a small sheet of jerry west that that it might stop I think it's him because Elgin Baylor was a GM for a long time, but he wasn't great at it Right, I mean if you is jordan hasn't been good at it magic hasn't been good at it The Kobe's not into the business. So we don't know I listen. I listen to shaggy. It's early I mean, it's one you get what one or two years. So maybe it's not very yet on magic But it's early jordan and but it is jerry west see your I mean that is that is of all time great players So for us to have those expectations from players now We should be able to take the knowledge that they do have Because I know through Shaquille O'Neal when he was a teammate with LeBron I was invited in cleveland to to a practice into a game and I sat there in the stands I'd like Shaq give me something. He's like man, man the duo is so far man There was so far man. No everything every play every man. I never seen nothing like in my life I mean that's from Shaquille O'Neal at a very Young age so LeBron we have to give him credit for we is but in doing this and putting this team together This it was limited who they could get at this and the players they got We're not they didn't it just didn't work out and this is a theme across sports Sometimes we we off the air when we're talking about people to potentially bring on the show It's like very recently retired football players and we it's usually people you know better than we know right because either relationships with them and More often than not your responses on a lot of these guys, man That what are they going to talk about because they don't know the league the way we think they would know the league like guys that are Contemporary players Even if you know what's going on in the league the ability to evaluate Who's good who's not versus who played well against you versus who had moments against you This way as opposed to this way when you're in the league playing and that's your point Which is why for the Lakers and this is in the conversation I had yesterday with the western conference executive his Not concerned he's actually happy about this part of it is that The Lakers don't have The what I would call like the the non-basketball smart guy They don't have someone in the room in a real position of power that can say all right Here's actually what the metrics say here's what no matter what you think about land stevensons being an irritant And toughness his team over the last few years has been worse with him on the court than off the court except for this year in Indiana like there There's an element of magic and polinka kind of fit the same role Like magic and polinka are both the relationship Side of the gm business right like an agent and a player But who's the guy that is scouting the next luke who you know what I mean Who's the guy that is figuring out what okay? We don't have enough shooting like the ingram and kuzma top out here at shooting And we can get cheap shooting this way rather than that way. Let me say this quickly too because When lebron, he's gonna own the team. We know he's talked about that He's not going to let a player run the organization Okay, and that's you as much say as you may give a superstar player The player can't run the organization lebron one is two types two of his three titles in miami Where pat riley had control lebron was a player now I'll get some safe from lebron as you said But there has to be a hierarchy a defined hierarchy in just about every organization Yes, so that's important too for the lakers going forward next jim jackson joins collin coward to explain how the summer now Determines contenders in the nba this warrior dynasty though. They got polished by 33 at home They've they've been blown out by boston philly, toronto milwaki all four eastern teams at home Let's take me back to the mj dynasty Were they this bad during the regular season regularly? No, I mean they got b I remember when I was in new jersey in 97 We beat them in jersey, okay And then we went back to chicago and they got us but they had some games like that But it's a different time, you know, it's interesting because I did the game last night And we were meeting with steve kerr and Leading up to it. He said the challenge for him is trying to figure out How to get his how to motivate his guys on different levels because human nature sets in of course and With the grind of the last five years, okay How do you motivate a team that's kind of already been there at first the first two years? It was just we fun. We were going at it. We got something to prove And then it switched to being more of a burden during the regular season And that's what we saw last night a boston team trying to figure it out. We're on the road. Can we bond together? This road trip is huge for us to kind of bond together where it was a golden state team That came out flat and see kind of looked like here we go body body language By the way, we'll show some video here the body language for golden state. No, I mean just not getting back You know, I want to talk about the kairi situation because we were joy and I were talking about this earlier Is that uh, I wrote both my books on a plane Because I found that that that I tend to be kind of add and I can't pay attention to stuff But when I was on a plane for six hours Focus like wow. Yeah, I could dive deep and kairi mentioned last night That the flight was so long that dany and brad called him up go back Go back to the bad times in your career. Yeah And the flights and how do you turn the chemistry around? Well, it depends on the team too and the makeup of the team. I think that's so important Because you got to keep in mind a lot like the lakers The young players, okay There's a lot of commonality there because you had high expectations based of what happened last year kuzma ingram ball Okay, you think about okay now they're going to take the next step you think about jaylen brown Jason tatum roger after that great great next step Now you bring back kairi you bring back lebron. Oh instantly we're going to get better But what happens is You have these young guys that got expectations upon themselves on what they who they want to be and they're young kairi hasn't had to deal with that in regards to being a leader Lebron hasn't had to deal with that in regards to being a leader because he's had an older team put around them So I'm I'm sure on that flight now they talked about this boston after the houston loss But what they needed to do Everybody's talking about toxic environment this this and this and and we expect it just to all happen Because oh they're but they're young kids and kairi really hasn't led so That flight probably gave them time to kind of talk a little bit more to be in close comfort To have some things out to figure it out a little bit And the difference last night was from the beginning of the game. They were connected Oh the bench even the bench. Oh, they were cheering on everything. Yeah, no, I mean the I watched the first half They were so engaged It was unbelievable to watch And it was even better to watch them Continue to go to gordon hayward. Yeah, see listen collin. I've been in that situation to understand what gordon hayward is going through My third year when I got hurt 51 games. I'm averaging 26 the next year. I come back. I'm not the same player Okay, gordon hayward didn't play as many games with that crew as I did with dallas, but Trying to integrate him back into the system Caused a little problem trying to integrate me back in the system Caused a little division because I wasn't the same player and I can understand Brad's dilemma the players dilemma and gordon's dilemma, you know And to see him play like like that last night, would he get 30 every night? No But to watch his teammates support him when he was open. They made sure he got it They were cheering on the sideline That was a beautiful that that was one of those moments where you can see okay now. Where can this boston team? Carry that attitude forget winter loss It's how they played the game to me. That was more important Yeah, and they do have playoff experience a great coach and they got about seven eight guys that can play al horford Gordon kairi jason tatum jalen brown marcus mark. Yeah The other kid that the four morris morris about seven dudes that can play in this league some b-minus some a-minus But I still like them. I've said my championship bubble is golden states the only team in the bubble houston boston filly I think are really talented milwaukey is close, right? Let's go to lebron You know, I I I said this I said about after that last season I said it and I readdressed it today You could make an argument that lebron would have been better off moving to la la is big it engulfs you If he just said listen, man, I just got out of a bad marriage in cleveland. I'm gonna take a year off It's not tampering when you're retired Comes to la. It's like, you know what? I want to do some movies. I want to do some stuff I want to two chains. I want to do my stuff right when I moved to la I was at the beach for six weeks. I dyed my hair. I was a mess. Okay La la does that too. It does that lebron may have been better served After a straight trip to the finals looking at it and saying We this is this you know what? I'm gonna take a year off. I'm gonna get off the treadmill I'm gonna survey all this stuff. I'm a tamper although. It's not tampering. I'm gonna get on my private jet I'm gonna go to warrior games I'm gonna take clay and kevin diran out is I look at this year and I think of course it didn't work He can't get remarried 15 minutes into la. He should there's no way this emotionally was gonna work Well, here's the challenge shoot for a guy like lebron because he's so competitive in what he wants to do But Because he's older in his career and you understand that he's crossed over you talked about the mogul stage to doing other things to me just Outside looking in and what this team needed Maybe you don't do all the hollywood stuff. Maybe it's just basketball this year because That young team needed his full attention To understand what it means to win and they didn't get it and they didn't get it And it's no fault of his own from this perspective because in his mind He's still doing what lebron does all the time everybody else just follows But again, i'ma go back to the youth aspect of it when you got people saying Okay, we need you to step up your next in line cow cow kuzma. He's a surprise at the nba You know what the lakers were able to get an ingram you need to play better All this stuff is going on. Okay. Yeah, we want to win But I need to get my numbers too. I need to get better I need to prove as a young player that I can compete in this league and the problem the issue We have is that we want an 18 19 20 21 year old to automatically be 25 Okay overnight it doesn't happen They got to go through a process and the process could have been helped a little bit more by lebron of that laser focus, okay, and I hate to compare kobe and Lebron, but imagine if kobe was in a situation It's all basketball And that's what those Young players would see by the way. I never felt kobe in all his years in la I never felt he was distracted. I felt shack was often distracted. Yeah shack shack was into the hollywood thing and again Different personalities different upbringing Think about when kobe was going through the whole trial He had some of his best game because he was labor laser focused. Okay When I was there briefly with the Lakers, I got a chance to see it. Okay first hand Just kobe just being all about basketball And that makes other guys That want to play and want to contribute And you know what you know, maybe tonight or maybe I I got to really zone in because that guy up front Employee number 20 number eight at the time Is zoned in and I got to do my job and and sometimes it takes that subtle Change in the personality as big as lebron is to say, you know, I'm just gonna focus here By the way, um One question about jordan lebron will surpass jordan tonight points um I said listen, I spent a lot of time saying Lebron's the swiss army knife of the nba. He's he does more things well than michael But I will tell you I was at michael's last game in portland. We have video. He was 40 He went 11 of 19 25.7 assists. I was at that game about third row to the left, right I do not believe Lebron's 34 that in six years lebron will ever plan nba game and easily be the best player on the floor And by the way, rashid was on the floor bonzi on the floor. I think rip hamilton was on the floor Damon stottemire was on the floor. Zach randolph was on the floor. I was at that game portland was a 50 win team michael at 40 was unbelievable Go to your last time playing jordan. How old was he washington when I played him in washington So but here's the difference His game was so dimensional from this perspective Okay, if he wasn't if he didn't shoot the three well, guess what I can go to the mid post I can go to the post I can go to the mid range All the stuff that we're seeing right here are baskets that are in 15 feet 18 feet The posts all of those things are hard to stop. He can still get those shots Lebron has built more. I'm gonna take a long jump shot or I'm getting to the basket And then he's not shooting free throws well. So as you get older, it's easier to guard you Okay, because I can take that away with this right here This is a skill said that he developed over years. So when he got 40 This was second nature Lebron doesn't have that tool in this toolbox to kind of go to Mid post post to be able to still be effective. Would he still be great? Probably will be we don't know but that game right there transcends transcend. I don't care that transcends That game had rip hamilton zack randolph daemon Bonzi sheet and I sat there with a buddy of mine and I'm like He is the best player on the floor. It's unbelievable and it 40 he's 40 years old But he did it because he was so efficient at understanding where the sweet spots in the defense were and where he could get his shots Okay, that's the beauty of it and as great as lebron is that one year in miami when he really went to the post He was right hand left hand couldn't stop him. I said see that's that next step But he kind of went away from because he's more comfortable playing outside. Yeah, great stuff Jim Jackson 14 NBA seasons. Congratulations on all your personal stuff as well. Thank you. It's a lot of fun, man A lot of fun Now steven jackson sits with skip and shanon to explain why lebron missing the playoffs doesn't tarnish his legacy You first how would missing the playoffs affect lebron's legacy? Invited all to me Me a little no, um, I love how we do everything we possibly can to excuse Jordan not making the playoffs in his final two years and I get it everybody say well magic never missed the playoffs Well magic never played with less than three hall of famers bird never missed the playoffs He never played with less than four hall of famers Tell me the guy tell me the guy on the roster currently that's going to be all the NBA moving forward Tell me the guy that's on the roster right now that's going to be in the hall of fame and I'll just wait Oh, yeah, that meant enough Look, I get it on which roster on the Lakers right now right now rondo rondo I was gonna say rondo go to the hall of fame possibly If you see the people some people that's in the hall of fame. Yeah, definitely deserve it But when those guys were playing with those kids who knows what they might do they might take off Let me ask you a question. It's early. What can I do you? Where would you write kareem? If you but when you say kareem you think you're even okay? Yeah, you think kareem. Okay top three top three to me Guess who guess who guess who guess who played with who you play with magic Because so you can understand why they would make james worthy. Is he in the hall of fame? What about mackadoo? What about mackael perish denny johnson made archibald bill walk Come on skip, baby. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You I didn't say a word yet You name one player michael played with at washington Exactly not one not one, but I can name old scottie pippen and denny's ronnie You know denny's ronnie led the league and rebounded all three years. He was in chicago And your point is the point is he had hall of famers And when he didn't have a hall of famer guess where he was He was 38 and 39 He'd been off for three years. He'd been gone from basketball Even at that even at that age. He still wasn't in year 16. That was your 13 year 14 Lebron james in year 16 with eight straight finals on this resume or sprinkling a couple olympics And here we are still giving you 27-8 Nate I'm glad you yawned because those are roll out of bed now for lebron right what he does He just rolls he yawns and rolls out of bed and he goes 27-8 am i am i surprised they're not in the playoffs I thought the lakers would be better I really thought the lakers would be better But then the injury bug started it hit him it hit rondo hit lanzo And now kuzma and now ingram and now stevenson and now janler Let's get come on, but when we look at a stack, this is not a really good team now Not a good team at all and you know people shouldn't be upset that they didn't make the playoffs I mean, I think if anybody had a rule to waken in this Lebron because everybody was telling them Western Conference is a different monster Now experience is the best teacher and he's seeing it's a different monster But at the same time guys that know the game we knew it was a possibility that they'll be in this situation You know with the young team they have but i'ma say this and i'ma leave it alone keep that same energy Because the lakers won't be the same team next year Okay, so does it taint his legacy that he missed? Well, obviously Kobe did miss the playoffs the year after shack was run out of town by Kobe, right? So let's look at Kobe's teammates in that year. They missed the playoffs. They went 34 and 48, right? I'm good, right? Okay Karan Butler was the second score Lamar Odom was on that team third score You remember the immortal chuckie atkins chris mim jamane jones devon george That's what you got to work with not a great team A team that I would have looked at before the year and said, I don't know. That's that's in the west They'll play hard, but yeah, I'm not sure about that Then they bounced back and they did make the playoffs the next two years But they went out quickly and unceremoniously To the phoenix sons in the first draft You've been telling me Kobe lost in the first round And he had one pout game where he just we didn't shoot them all Yeah, people were all over him. He's so he said I today. I'm not gonna So you know what stacks he had a lot in common with Michael Jordan Because you know Michael Jordan went out in the first round He went out in the first round with the old bad book big the big three Wawa get up out of here Wawa get up out of here Are you talking about the same guy who went six and on the files with six mvp's Hold on. He can't be he can't be. Oh, yes. I'm talking about him I'm talking about the one that the bad boy pistons the bad boy peers that had him by the crowd Had scotty pivot talking about he got a migraine didn't want to see Robin anymore I think they're turning down your lights God said turn the lights off talking about that skill Talking about that how the bad boy pistol put him over his put him over his knee for three years Walk walk walk now come back next year with a little more firepower walk walk walk Interesting didn't happen. You was covering the team. I want to know skip. May let's tell the truth now So the only way this taints LeBron's legacy is it just completely undercuts and disqualifies your argument that he's greater than Michael Jordan That's all it does because at age 34, which is LeBron's age right now Michael Jordan won another scoring title and was first team all defense at age 34 And obviously they went on to win another championship There's sixth and another finals MVP is sixth skip. We gotta stop. We gotta stop. But here's the thing That's 34 to 34. But here's the thing He Michael Jordan Scotty Pippin led the team and assist all those years Someone else led the team in rebounding all those years Jordan didn't have to worry about all these other things that LeBron did But I still want to know why Washington he went to the wizards Why does that not have an impact on his legacy? He was still Michael Jordan That's what you're telling me. He the ghost now the ghost supposed to drag anything ghosty anything So why couldn't he get it there? But that's old big horn. She watch what he'd be doing in your In year and think about hold on skip. You keep telling me when he was in washington That was your 13 and 14 LeBron James is in year 60 LeBron James year 13 and 14 Age age 38 and 39 and watching what gotta do with anything if he got you to 30 years But what is what player that's the face of the league One mvp and defensive player That's but that's that's hard to do Shannon LeBron James should have won the deeper What should have won uh, he got to play defense first The year marga saw wanted, you know LeBron supposed to have a god that awards stacks Right no, did LeBron not bring this year upon himself because we still hear that he was the one who wanted Playmakers not shooters. I don't know what LeBron LeBron out is mine. Okay. He was out of his mind But that's what he wanted he give him a rondo give him a lane Who else can make plays? I don't know if you look at LeBron James career LeBron James is really played with two paid playmakers. That's kairi urban and and uh, duane wade And even when he had those guys, what was he surrounded with shooters? Yeah, so now all of a sudden you will get year 16 and tell him that you don't want shooters You want playmakers? Okay. Well, okay. Where are they? Where to play me? So I don't know He told me one of the playmakers. Yeah, Michael Beasley's in china. I think right. I talked to him yesterday. Did you early? Yeah, all right. Yeah, he's doing good. Good. Shout out to Michael Beasley. I love Michael Beasley I mean we're playmakers. Okay. So a year ago Not even a year ago, but in the off season LeBron had chances He could have gone to philly and joined forces with that team Great things would have happened. He could have gone to houston joined forces with that team Great things would have happened. He joined forces with hollywood. He wanted hollywood and he got hollywood And and I was shocked the day it happened because I said he's going to do this without a Bonefied co-star like a second scorer like really you're going to do that Well, I guess he's going to do that and then he brought some of this on himself because obviously at the trade deadline He and rich paul attempted to power play their way into anthony davis And they were willing to trade all the kids all the clean out the locker room all the kids And and it just detonated that locker room. It it never was they couldn't handle it Following javail magie joins christine lehi to break down his unique journey in becoming an nba champion Welcome to fair game. I'm christine lehi and my guest today was a two-time nba champion with the golden state warriors And it's partly responsible for bringing back the fanny pack from the los angeles lakers Javail magie is here. I got to say I am shocked that you're not wearing a fanny pack I don't know that i've seen you off the court without one What is it you love so much about the fanny pack? First of all, thanks to your statement I'm not wearing my fanny pack because I left it in the car. Oh my bad. I have it. Okay Do you you want to go get it or? I think I'll be okay Okay, there's a lot of father and son duos that have played in the nba the berries the curries the waltons You are the first nba player whose mother played in the wnba and I love your story because I just have this image of You in a bassinet always surrounded by wnba players with your mom Do you still have lots of memories of those times when you were growing up like that? Yeah, I definitely have a lot of memories of uh I'd of course I don't have the memories of being in the stroller I don't think anybody's memory goes back that far But I do have memories of when my mother was uh playing for la Sacramento and when she was coaching for the trade shop What's that like though being surrounded by a bunch of female basketball players? You're asking a question from a person that wasn't surrounded by female basketball players So as a person who was I just thought that was normal. Do you ever play one on one with your mom? I used to when I was younger. I couldn't beat her until I was like 14 No way You have it just in your genes right this basketball and there's a story that your mom She was in her early 20s when she got pregnant with you And she actually had an appointment because she wasn't sure if she was going to go through with the pregnancy Your dad wasn't in the picture and then she heard a pastor Speak and she canceled it and then came you What did she tell you about that decision and what she heard that day? Um, she just told me it was Godson and hepperson that I was supposed to be born And she told me a story how I was like born with a basketball in my hand But like it was like a ball in my hand when I was born Like I don't know the stuff that's in a woman's stomach when the baby's born But I was just like, yeah, okay, but it might be true or she might just be Making it up to make it sound good. But that's my mother. I love her Did that affect you at all hearing that it was a pretty crazy story. It wasn't like It wasn't like I didn't hear it. It was like, oh man, I must be destined to play basketball I didn't take it like that. I was just like, oh, that's a cool story. But now that I'm older I'm like, wow, and I'm actually an NBA. I'm actually doing Great things in the NBA. It's kind of a cool story now But when I heard it, no, it wasn't really interesting. What's the best piece of advice she's ever given you She's always told me like it doesn't matter if you lose win fail or whatever as long as in the end of it You were like, I tried my hardest like I worked my hardest. I was in the gym I was in the weight room. I was working my hardest. So you can't be mad at yourself at least It was just wasn't meant to be but if it happens and you worked hard is even more satisfying You also try to stay really involved with your community and you're wearing the shirt for it right now from flint, michigan First of all, how crazy is it that they're still having a water crisis? Extremely, extremely crazy. And it's just crazy that the america's worried about other things right now And there's a literally a city in michigan that doesn't have access to clean water. Like it's a third world country Does that make you angry? Yeah, it does So how did you kind of come about jug life? And why was it so important to you? So I started jug life As basically just a hashtag trying to influence people to drink more water I think it's like 80 80 something percent of people in america don't get enough water that they actually need every day and uh Obviously flint mission doesn't even have access to clean water. So that's even a crazy statistic if you think about it Just because we're in america like the richest country in the world um But I started just trying to get people to drink water started posting to instagram me drinking a gallon a day People started doing it back and then my uh, my business partner cares read his uncle Uh, is a philanthropist, but he travels around the world and just does like missions So he goes to the philippines helps out blah blah. So he was in uganda And he contacted cares and was like there's opportunity to build water wells out here Because they have no access to clean water. Is it was a there was a couple schools? um students who were hiv infected and they the villages weren't letting them come to their water source just because they were afraid I guess so We found that opportunity and we were like this is a great opportunity to help And then that's what started the foundation part of jug life And we've been doing it ever since in the past two years I actually got to go to uganda and see the natural water sources that they were drinking out of which were cloudy white with Infections and things like that they wash up in there the animals Use the bathroom in there guys are cleaning their bikes in there Like is and then kids come with 20 gallon jugs and fill it fill up the dirty water and bring it to their villages Basically just spreading disease So just being able to help out with that was definitely one of the best things I feel I feel like I've done Including basketball including basketball. So the Javail McGee that you are now Is not always who you were when you first started in the league basketball wise You struggled a bit in the beginning and the media criticized you quite a bit How much did that affect you? I feel like it didn't affect me at first It just affected me it started to affect me when GM's and NBA coaches started to believe the things that The media or even like social media was portraying me to be So what was the worst thing that you were hearing that was said about you? I was even things like i'm dumb A bad basketball player low IQ Idiot, there's just it's a lot of things that but i'm not the person that's like reading comments Like oh my god, I can't believe this because I really don't care. It's when a GM or owner of a team Starts thinking that and they're like no, we don't want to sign them because that's now Affecting my livelihood and how I pay my bills and how I feed my family So that's when I was just like his last straw like I don't because i'm not really the person who's going back on people on twitter Right because those are people I don't know and never will meet So when you say it was the last straw, what did you do? um, I mean it was definitely just Low lights being shown to me on tv Uh, but it had came to the point where I was like missing the layup And i'm like oh my goodness This is on the show now and i was just like come on man. Everybody misses the layup like a contested layup like Come on man, and I had to do what I had to do and then it was canceled and then I never was On a certain show again You're talking about shack. Mm-hmm. Have you guys ever resolved that? No, but it's not really uh something to resolve. I mean He's in his world of my own world So it's not really a It's not really a beef like when I see you it's smoke type stuff Finally chris broussard joins nick and cc again to break down the Celtics crucial win over the warriors So this warriors team has a number of nights like they had last night. Maybe not as bad and we just keep saying Okay, they had it. They'll be fine. It's the warriors. They're fine. No worries. They're fine But I don't know steve curry made a few comments there that they have a couple things that they do need to address And they do need to correct. Are you buying that the warriors have actual flaws on this team? Well, exactly It's funny because stuff you you saw that underlying smile and spurred where he's not he's not too concerned I don't think I'm not concerned. They're still the heavy favorite my pick It is a reason only three teams have three peded in the last 52 years jordan's bulls twice and shack coby lakers Because it's difficult. It's a mental drain to play these regular season games when you know It's all about may and june even june for you And there's a reason no team's been to five straight finals right since russia selthick's lebron went to eight straight But he got different teams different teams So we were talking about steve clay draymond iggy try i know durant's new but those four guys Trying to do this for a fifth straight hundred games It's a challenge if you look at jordan's bulls the two that three peded the third season their regular season record was always the worst So it happens that said they do have there are some concerns. I have about this team I think this is the most vulnerable they've been since kevin durant got there and here's a few things boogie Now when you look at demarkets because it's the eye test He's running the floor. He's sharing the ball. He's moving. Okay for him It looks fine with the eye test and when you look at the conventional numbers 15 points eight rebounds a team high in 25 minutes You think okay boogie's fitting in you look deeper into the numbers Defensively when boogie is on the floor They are One of the worst teams in the league their defensive rating is like 107.7 That's that's mediocre when he's i'm sorry 108 Which is even worse right when he's not on the floor their defensive rating is better Offensively when he's not on the floor they play at a historic level Offensively and when he's there they're more like a mediocre team their net rating is nine points better When he's off the floor and it goes deeper than that so when they're all in ba Lineups out there all five guys five all start they are the clay kd steff boogie and draymond they have a negative net rating They're being outscored by their opponents when those five are out there when the four are out there without boogie without boogie They're beating opponents by 12 points for 100 possessions. That's a prop It's a that's a curve is going to have to make the tough decision because you know they see it You know they have these numbers Look before boogie got there You steff was the only weak link defensively and teams would try to target him get him in pick and roll But you could protect him now you have two guys you can go at if you're in offense in boogie and steff And that's made them vulnerable the the one thing that was a calming force for me That guy doing the interview man, right? I mean, I've been I've been watching guys complain Make excuses Man, I hate this man. I can the media y'all did this to me Steph curry bra He's the calming force to in the mba right now kd is unstoppable He is a match-up nightmare But steff curry sat there like a grown man right in his uniform leader Yes The way you want your leader to be able to talk because ultimately he can't make excuses and he said it in these last 16 years we're gonna have to show some people because This is new to them to haven boogie Now these guys have made all these sacrifices sacrifices and sacrifices Nick you mentioned something to me last season when they were when everyone was upset about boogie signing with the golden state He's like they can't get better offensively. Right. It's impossible Right. They they were they had the greatest offense in mba history last year So like you you at some point you reach a point of diminishing returns Like your offense is not going to be more efficient So this was I the reason that the boogie acquisition in my eyes was a good one for them in a no-brainer Was it removed the injury component to a degree last year when they went through this late season swoon It was because steff was out. There was time when katie katie missed a little bit of time clay missed him And if you if during a playoff series, you're missing one of those guys Well now then all of a sudden feet right last year we sat down and talked and we said, okay How are they going to not three p? Right? Like what would have to happen in the mba? And nick said man, that's like an insurance policy. It's an in and as an insurance policy It might be a good one But as an insurance policy that you're having to actively use when you don't actually need it yet You're seeing the negative aspects of it And so like that is because the point that was made to me that we talked about was if the offense can't get better And he's not going to help your defense then how does he make you better? It's not like he has some calming locker room force But this isn't I think your point on steff is a very important one because we didn't play it But katie's post game interview couldn't have been more different katie the media asked him about Steve kerr said we got to play with more anger right and katie's like I thought we were based on joy because kerr's been singing that all right And so and katie is irritable You know what? I mean a katie didn't play well. They were without clay katie didn't have a good game And and but the other concern for me is boogie notwithstanding Last year people are going to say okay last year they ripped off 10 of 11 And then they went on a three and seven stretch But steff wasn't there we haven't seen this team not play well with steff on the court They won 16 of 17 since then they're three and five and steff's been playing Like the the invincible part of this team for four plus years has been do we have steff? Do we not have steff they won games without durant? I understand clay wasn't out there last night and hurt their shooting and it really hurt their defense But it's odd to see them struggle when steff's been healthy if there's one thing that if I was to say I would be concerned about That's their home record I mean their home record is not like any other team that we've seen right now I think there's nine other teams in the league that have at least the same home record as them are a better home record than them And they have been dominant oracle has been a special place And this being the last year that they're going to play there That would be something that I would be more concerned about the number of losses they have at home the other thing with uh With you mentioned steff steff is like they're tim duncan. I've been saying this for years Okay, since this this run began with them different personalities But duncan set the tone in the whole organization So when you came into the spurs everybody bought in because duncan set that tone It's the same thing with steff. He brings that like kerr talks about that joy steff Even though drae mine's been the inspirational leader, I guess and all that Steff has set the tone for that whole franchise and drae mine is interesting too Because we know he's always been one of the best defenders since this run began His defense has steadily declined Since 2015 and now it's at an all-time low for him. He's still a good defender, but he's not His body is starting to break down a little bit on it a big concern for them when it comes to contract stuff He just signed with clutch and I'm not saying because he wants to go play with lebron because I don't think that's why I think it's because they will hold you to the fire And if he was in my mind, I know koai won a couple of the defensive player of the year awards I think drae mine had a three-year stretch where he should have won all three I thought drae mine was the best defender in the league bar none When he is just a very good defender Then his value proposition changes enormously because his shootings at an all-time low because of these other these other potential issues Thank you for listening to the hoops on fox podcast Don't forget to subscribe and leave a five star review letting us know what you think of the show