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So we actually have people who watch the show on YouTube who think what's gonna happen first is we're gonna have widespread robots on the moon before people own robots on the moon. Whoa, whoa, whoa, widespread robots on the moon. No, that we would be going back and forth to the moon, like people. Oh, okay. So that's what I said and I also said that it was before average people could have robots in their house doing these chores that you talked about. So you're saying, okay, so let's be clear. You think that this is gonna happen first, that people will be going back and forth to the moon and earth like boom, boom, boom. Yeah. Before... I didn't say boom, boom, boom. I'm like, hold on, hold on. That's what I'm saying. Is that like they're gonna teleport boom, boom, boom, boom? Like they'll be tripped. Okay, wait, let's clarify this. Are you talking about like billionaires going to the moon and back where like regular people? I think that, so it's regular people, okay? We'll be able to make a trip to the moon before they have a robot made. Doing all their house chores. No way, no way. The expensive and ridiculous it is to get to the moon. Do you know how expensive and ridiculous it would be to have a robot that could do your dishes? Way cheaper. What? Way cheaper. What planet do you live on? Earth. Bro, you're gonna be on... The Tesla boss coming on next year. Okay, that's where I just, I just, this is where we disagree. Do you have any idea of the physics and fuel and risks involved with landing a person on the moon? Bro, we've already done it. What we haven't done is had a robot come in and do your dishes. Dude, we haven't been back to the moon in forever. You lost the debate, go to YouTube. Actually, here's the deal. Here's the deal. YouTube is spoken. This is the beauty of it. YouTube is spoken. No. Thank you. No, you're all wrong. There was like four loud comments and... No. I read through it. There was like two for Sal and then there's like eight for me. Okay, here's the beauty. That's enough for the win. Eight to two, that's right. Here's the beauty that this is all recorded. Yeah, okay, we'll see. And my bubble will be around in 10 years. We'll see how well it ages because here's what's gonna happen when it happens. Have you seen Boston Dynamics? Dude, I keep posting those. When you're proving wrong. Literally. Here's where I will concede to you. There's a very good chance it's around the same time because I think both of them are further out than what we think. That was how this came up because you were acting like it was gonna happen soon. I'm like, I don't think robots are gonna be... I think we're gonna have... Now, what are you thinking? Are you imagining a humanoid robot in the house like Mrs. Johnson? Thank you, I'll pick up the kids. Like, is that what you think's gonna happen? Well, no, what we talked about was a robot able to handle your house chores and stuff. Like that's what you talked about. So a robot that goes and cleans your house or does your dishes or just one of those things. Just a robot assistant. Yeah, like a robot assistant in your house. Oh yeah, that's happening, it'll happen. Oh, I don't think it's not gonna happen. That'll happen. Just like I don't think it's not gonna happen that people will make trips up to the moon the same way they make trips to Hawaii. Like that's gonna happen. Okay, so here's a scenario. Okay, because people don't realize the risks, the physics and the cost associated with flying, unless they come out with some... I love how you try and make this argument like you have facts to support what you're about to say right now. We do. You don't. You're okay. Hold on a second. Either one of us, at least I'll admit that. I'm not gonna, I have nothing that I can say I for sure can back this up that I'm gonna be right. Here's what I have. My case is that I just don't see it happening for... One accident, flying to the moon destroys that whole market. What are the accidents gonna be at home? My robot broke a couple of dishes. Well, he stabbed my wife. Yeah, and you sleep with it. That's a robot uprising. I gotta play devil's action. The both of you guys here. Yeah, okay. So any household chore, a robot assistant that does any household chore is you're saying it'll happen later or after. Oh, wait. Okay, now you could, because you could say those little, you know... Rubas? Yeah, rubas are that. No, no. I guess a little more than that. So it's like, we already saw it in Iraqi, right? Iraqi four. Oh, right. Remember? Yeah, yeah. And then Pauly changes the voice. Yeah. Hey, it's just gotta be able to do my dishes. Because that in itself would... So a dish doing robot. Yeah. Like do the dishes. Like a washing machine? A dishwasher? No. I kind of have one. No, no, no. This robot has to be able to take it from your dinner plate or dinner table and get it over to the sink, wash it and put it in the dishwasher. Or maybe it hasn't built in. I don't know what it looks like. Bye, Adam. Have a good day. I don't know what it looks like, because I think we're gonna be going to the moon first. That's what I think. So I'll take it a step further. I think it's gonna do your dishes and give you a hand job at the same time before we go to the moon. That's what I thought. Well, that takes way more engineers. You lost. You lost. You two spoke. My right hand washes dishes. My left hand handles you, sir. And then the truth is maybe that it'll be both around the same time. I mean, it's gonna be, they're both... I think they're a ways away, though. Hey, the newspaper article. And the treasure today? No. The headline. Yeah, today's news. We land on the moon and robot does your dishes. Holy shit. The future is here. Mind pump again. All right, so here's something. I'm gonna tell you guys something that is hilarious because... Give us some real science. I know. I'm gonna do this. No more of your bullshit. Let's do some... Let's do some... I can't wait. It's gonna be the best episode ever when this shit happens. Hey, guess what happened yesterday, Adam? Robots doing people's dishes. Check back in 10 years. So this is interesting because this highlights the massive mistake that scientists and government officials and all the people who are trying to figure out the obesity epidemic, this highlights the big mistake that they make, right? So there was a study that came out and I'm gonna pull it up for you. The study was done from the Massachusetts General Hospital. Here's a title of this particular study. And this was in Science Daily. By the way, Science Daily's got great science articles and stuff that are always like up to date, right? Reducing sugar in packaged foods can prevent disease in millions. So here's the summary. Cutting 20% of sugar from packaged foods and 40% from beverages could prevent 2.4 million cardiovascular disease events and 750,000 diabetes cases in the US over the lifetime of the adult population. So here's what they did. They took all the numbers, they crunched it and they said, if we cut 20% of sugar from this and 40% of sugar from this, wow, look at all these amazing results that'll happen. So do you guys see any problems with a study? Why are you shaking your head like that? Because when you bring studies like this, dude, this is why I sit here, dude, because somebody has to fucking say some shit about this. Here's the deal. What happens when a gambling addict quits gambling? What happens? Oh yeah, he does something else. That's right. And we have plenty of stats to show that. So if you just, if you take that away, the people that have this problem, here's what we talked about. They completely negate human behavior. Well, we've talked about this forever. Exes and O's and it's just that easy. Somebody that is eating themself into obesity, it's not a food labeling thing. It's not a percentage of sugar in it thing. They are medicating in their own way. And they're pursuing taste and flavor and all these types of things. The same way somebody medicates with rolling a dice and can't give up doing that or shooting heroin and if you take the thing they're addicted, you don't address the root cause, they'll just, they'll replace it. Eat something else that's got totally in the calories. And this is, and this is our experience because obviously we've actually worked with real people through this problem. And here's some studies that'll prove exactly what you're saying. Artificial sweeteners have been around for a long time. And when they came out, they were like, Harold did is the, you know, a big solution for obesity. Oh my gosh, you can have your sweets, but without calories. This is gonna solve so many problems. This is incredible. And it solved no problems because what people did is they had their sugar-free soda or their sugar-free candy or whatever. And they just replaced those calories with other things. This is why in real world studies, those foods don't work. The only time they actually work is when everything else is controlled so they cut something out but they don't replace it. So the studies like this are so stupid because what's gonna happen is studies like this drive public policy. So now you're a government official and you want to appear important, right? You want to get your taxpayer money. We're committing 40% of all sugar and packaged food going forward or we're going to tax anything above this. Yeah, here's the study that we're here to save people's lives, that's why we're doing it. This will totally work. Here's the new rules, cut all the sugar and everybody's gonna have, we're gonna solve this problem and then it doesn't work because obviously excess calories is one of the biggest problems. That's the number one thing. And sugar doesn't make as nearly as bad of a difference in your diet if your calories are appropriate. I'm not saying sugar is inert but if your diet's high in sugar but your calories are low, it doesn't do nearly as much damage to you as if your calories are high with a high sugar diet. Is a inert like moot? Is that like the same thing? Yeah, like no effect. Like no effect, right? Like benign? Yeah. I've never heard a inert before. Yeah, so it's, I hope I'm using it right now. It's a chemistry term. You're making me question. I just wanted to know it was new to me. Like I think I've heard it before. Inoculus is another thing you could say, Justin, with the word. I love it. Yeah, so you know what it is? Sometimes I hear a word being used and I use it that same way and then later on I might. You usually use that for like gases, right? Yeah. In chemistry. Oh yeah, very good. That's true. Look at you, guy. I had caffeine today. What did you do? You must have stayed at a holiday in last night. How much caffeine did you have? How much caffeine did you have? A lot. I had a lot. You're just gonna say that was, okay, there's been like handfuls of, handful of mind pump moments that will be forever burned in my brain as like just where I remember like belly laughing. The time when we were at, we were at this event at the Spartan race. We got evented and we were at this private dinner that Joe Desena had put together, right? And there's probably, I don't know, would you say a hundred people in there? Maybe more. Yeah, maybe more. How about it? 200 maybe. Maybe a hundred to 200 people in there. And they're all on these round tables and he had hired like a speaker. It was really, really cool event. And I don't even remember what was said, but the whole room was quiet because somebody was talking and somebody liked to a table to the right of us or something, spoke out loud. Gave an answer. Yeah, gave an answer to something. Oh, that's blah, blah, blah. Yeah, it's just in response with, I know things. And the whole room that why it was so funny was because we don't know who this person is. They probably don't know who we are. It's like our first time in this group and stuff and just the shit's on the person. It was the most nerdy comment ever. The person was just like commenting to prove that like they're smart. Well, I couldn't help it. I belly laugh because I, and I so did Sal because I know that we were all thinking the same thing and you blurted it out. It was like Tourette's for me. So I can't help it. The best part is that nobody, everybody else felt bad. And nobody's, it was- We were dying. And everybody, like a bunch of assholes. There was like two people laughing. Oh, here are those guys. Here's another great moment. So obviously, since we started the podcast, we talk about that, you know, the fact that we smoke weed sometimes, whatever. And so sometimes one of the podcasters would come meet us. They would wanna like, you know, hey, you guys wanna, you know, let's hit a join or have an edible, not a big deal. Anyway, I'm not gonna call this person out, but let's just say that they're very smart, extremely smart and also, you know, nerdy on that side, right? So this guy shows up, good friend of ours. And as soon as he sees us, like, hey, you guys wanna do drugs? What are you, a narc? No! Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He talks like that, dude. You have a mic under there? You know, like, whoa, whoa. No thanks. What kind of drugs are we talking about? You guys wanna do some drugs? I've never, ever once in my life said that to my friends. Look, I'm not a big dude. Bro, that's not how you do it. I'm not a big drug person, but if somebody says that to you, it's a cop. That's not a normal person. That's what I've learned from every show. Anyway, dude, you got me to watch the untold story. Oh, good. Caitlyn Jenner. So you started with that one? You haven't watched the other two yet? No. Please, because you like it. I will, but I'll tell you what, dude. Caitlyn Jenner's story is- Really good, huh? So I knew- So glad I watched it. So, you know, before Caitlyn, obviously transition Bruce, right? Bruce Jenner. What a- A stud. A stud. Just phenom. Like one of the most, as I'm watching this, I'm watching it with Jessica, and I have, we have a lot of conversations as we're watching this, it's a very interesting story. As Bruce, right? Or even Caitlyn, whatever. This individual is so gifted as an athlete. Like everything, cause they have all these home videos, right? Of Bruce- That's what made it great, right? They had all these clips from like back then. Oh, it's like, they see him on his lawn, and he's like, oh, I'm just gonna do some back flips. Like what? I'm gonna go water ski one foot doing crazy shit. This is back in the early 60s. This is one of those rare people that can literally decide to do something and be better than everyone else. Absolutely insane. And then the story of how Bruce won the gold medal and broke the world record against, especially against the Soviets was, so I didn't know this. For four years, Bruce was supported by his then wife. This is before he married, what's her name? Kardashian, whatever. Kim's mom, I remember her name. He was married, his wife supported him, and all he did was train. Seven days a week. Never missed a day. Six to eight hours a day. For four years. For four years in order to be this good. Yeah. So crazy. Just buried himself in there. And then the other part is because Caitlyn is so open and talking about the struggles and stuff, obviously, and as a 10-year-old had these issues, right? She said she suffered from gender dysphoria at a very young age. And as I'm watching, and Caitlyn is such a likable person, very honest, obviously a good father, a good person, everybody on the, even the ex-wife, who, anybody who's ever been divorced, like if your ex talks nicely about you, you're a good person, because nine out of 10 times. Right. Even the ex-wife was talking about what a good person they are, and whatever, and the kids love Caitlyn as Jessica and I are watching this. I'm like, man, I really like this individual and how open they are about all this stuff. Yeah, that was interesting. You know, isn't he, Doug, do you know if he was, I think he was a badass downhill skier also? Probably. Yeah, which I was waiting to see clips of that because for some weird reason, this is how little I knew about his story or her story was I thought he won an Olympic gold medal for downhill skiing. So then I see none of that. I'm like, what? I was, I so didn't know. DeCathalon was, yeah, it was DeCathalon, which is like. Insane. Yeah. How many events is that in one? 10. Okay. Yeah. 10 events. Hence DeCathalon. I lost my powers. At the beginning of the podcast, he were like up here. Had to bring me back down to Earth. Yeah. You're only allowed to take Deca when you're in the DeCathalon. No, but tremendous athlete, incredible, I mean physique, you know, Bruce was, but here's the part that was very interesting. Obviously they're interviewing Katelyn and Katelyn says, no, all that credit goes to Bruce. Like Bruce did all that. Like that person that I was accomplished all that and I'd never want to take that away. And then this was the best part. She goes, but to say that my story ends with that or there's not more of the story is stupid. Like there's way more to my story than all of that. I was very inspirational to watch this. And I couldn't imagine being in that situation in that time. You're talking about the 60s. In 70s, like, wow. They did a really good job. I was really, I know I've many times I've shit on Netflix as far as when comparing to the streaming services. And they're doing a hell of a job, man, when they come out with these series like this. Cause this is literally their version of like ESPN. Yeah, it feels like ESPN. I thought like they bought it from them or something because it's so similar. I wanted to do a little bit of research and see, so I don't know if you guys know how this is how, 30 for 30s work is and what makes them so great. And I don't know if you know this, Justin, because I know you watch most of the 30s. Yeah, it's not like, normally when you have a show on like any of these services, streaming services, it's like there's a writer or a producer, there's a team that they do, they create all this stuff. But they don't, they do that like by the story. So like a writer, they submit it to two ESPN 30 and they put it. So it's a different producer, it's a different writer, and they take like the best of the best and then they make it on the show. So I wonder if that's what's happening here. Like is it the same person that told the Caitlyn Jenner story that also told the Mouse and the Palace story or they like ESPN where it's a whole different person produced it. I didn't look at the credits. Well, what's interesting about this is and you see this commonality when you learn about any top level, anything in performance, whether it's a sport or business or art or whatever, they're often driven by this, by some kind of dysfunction or some kind of deep insecurity. Because a person who's well adjusted does not eight hours a day go and run on a track. Yeah, unless you're running them, they're escaping or yeah, punishing themselves in some weird way. They only realize it a lot of times. I've met a few athletes like this. This is why I don't get, I've never, I shouldn't say never, but as an adult, I don't get starstruck or I'm not like, I mean. Because they're tormented. Yeah, a lot of times, more often than not, that's the truth. Are there exceptions as always? But all the famous athletes and people that I've been around, when you find out more about their story, a lot of times what made them so great is they were tortured or they're just out of balance that socially and all these other things are terrible, but they are just gifted in this one area and they've poured. And obsessed. Yeah, and obsessed. They poured everything they had into that and then we look at them and the halo effect and we idolize them and go, oh my God. Which is why I never, I always think- You probably don't want to be that person. No, no, they have a lot of other things going on in their life that cause them to be so great. It's rarely somebody who's got great balance in their life. You know who was more, who was super apparent when I saw them speak and it was like an hour and a half long or two hour long podcast was Elon Musk. It came, it was very obvious to me that this is a tormented genius. You could tell he's tormented by his own genius. Did his dad say things like he was dumb or said that he wasn't gonna be anything? I don't remember that. Yeah, his dad used to say stuff to him like that. He was right? It was him or Bezos? No, it was him. It was Elon Musk. Is that right, Doug? Do you know that? Yeah. Yeah, his dad would tell him he wasn't gonna amount to anything and so, yeah, of course, right? So you get someone who's being told by their parent that you're not gonna be much in life and stuff like that. Well, if you're gonna be someone that innovates at that level and does extreme things, that also means you're very different from everybody else, okay? So you're not quote unquote normal and that's hard. We need those people, though. We need those people. We definitely need them. That's what I'm saying, though. Absolutely. It's hard to live like that to be such an outlier. You got a whisker poking out on the side of your beard there, buddy. It's sticking out a little bit. Although, I will say this, your beard looks very nice. Vicki did a very good job on shaping it up. Oh, it's so good to have you. Yeah, we're finally lined up again. It's so good to have you back. Yeah, I know. All of us were looking pretty scraggly. A little bit, dude. I have like, there's a, you know, it's like when your hair is starting to grow out, like that middle place, whatever. Especially when it comes down here. My beard, when it does it, it gets really... Yeah, you got a healthy beard, bro. Not cool. I like to see Justin grow his out, though. I feel like he's got... I mean, I don't want to be too stereotypical mountain guy. I'm already there to begin with, so... That's true. That's true. Speaking of stereotypical and that stuff, did you guys see, I think it's Bud Light. Did you guys see their new flavor? I'm gonna pull it up just to make sure I get this right. Well, I know they're doing the whole Seltzer thing. Bud Light Seltzer. So you want to hear the one that they're launching that's coming out here? Flavors? Yeah, just the flavor. One flavor, let's just guess. What one flavor is coming out that is... I'll give you a hint. You're probably, if you drink this, you're probably gonna want to wear a pair of Uggs when you drink this. Oh, is it gonna do pumpkin spice? Pumpkin spice Bud Light Seltzer. Gross. Interesting. Interesting. That sounds horrible. I know, right. Speaking of weird stuff, it sounds horrible. I'm gonna cash in on this. You know what? Dana White is doing this thing now, where he eats something every, I think, Friday or something and he records it and the chef makes them or he hears about it. Yeah, I've seen so many videos. Have you ever seen him do that? Okay, so I catch it when it hums up in my feet all the time, just curious what it is and I like to hear if it's good or not. So he was having this ice cream that supposedly all these people told me has to try. It's this famous ice cream, hard to get supposedly, and it's macaroni and cheese flavored ice cream. That doesn't sound good at all. He said, that's exactly what he said before. He says, this sounds disgusting, but he goes, I love macaroni and cheese. I love ice cream. I would have never think that together I would like it. And he was, he's eating it and he's like, this is fucking pretty good, dude, this is really good. Sometimes things, so that happens a lot often where you think two things don't go together and then you have them, like when I was a kid and we visited Italy, my family, my grandmother made some corn on the cob. They don't put butter on their corn in Italy. So my grandma brings out the corn on the cob and we have like 15 different courses. Put on it. Salt. That's it. Like put a little salt on it and you're good. Oh yeah, that's not weird. They don't put butter. Oh, well, that's not weird. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, hold on a second. This is what was weird. Wendy's, you know those Frosties putting french fries. That's weird. No, no, here's what's weird. I asked my grandmother for butter. Everybody looked like I had four heads. Then when I put it on my corn, everybody was grossed out. Oh, that's disgusting. Oh, because you put butter on it? Because I put butter on corn. And then they tried it and it was like really good. The other thing was ranch on pizza. Ranch on pizza, if you've never had it, sounds weird. It's amazing. It's actually very delicious. Yeah, I introduced that. I liked it so much that I used to drizzle it on my spaghetti because that's so good. Oh God, dude. That's so good. Oh my heart right now. Yes. You know what happened? That was like that was a magical mistake. What kind of spaghetti? My mom made, my mom made a, and my mom used to make homemade ranch by the way too, which is so much better than a packaged crap, right? But it's way worse for you, right? So she made ranch salad and we had spaghetti and it mixed and it was just, oh my God, I would have never thought. And then forever after that, as a kid, I would get it. Do you see a tear down there? I mean, I haven't done this in a long time. It is interesting. Like a tear coming down my eye right now when I hear that. Is this real spaghetti or is it canned spaghetti? What, you mean the sauce? Like is it Chef Boyardee or? Well, it's not Chef Boyardee, but I mean, I mean my mom used to boil the noodles and then I don't know what tomato sauce she was. Prego. Prego. Yeah, probably. Probably Prego. I didn't have an Italian friend that was squashing tomatoes in his garage for me. He's gonna make me feel bad now. Yeah, that wasn't a family tradition, unfortunately. It was either food stamps, bro. It was either, oh, whatever you're gonna say. Now I feel terrible. He's like, listen, it was either that or electricity, so we ate the fun. Exactly. Now I feel terrible. Except you had horses, so now I'm not so upset about that. You guys actually could buy it. We always forget about that. Yeah, I could buy a horse. Okay, so this is week two of Max going to school. Oh, so is he still crying or is he good now? So no, so Monday was Katrina's first time crying herself, so she called me crying and she goes, oh my God, she goes, today was the hardest. So we have him in school Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and then he's off Thursday, Friday. So he had his first week, Monday was hard, Tuesday was pretty good, Wednesday was great, and then he had Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday off, and so Monday rolls around and he's gotta go, this is his first week back going, and now he knows, she's like, okay, it's time for school, and she goes, he starts crying, he doesn't wanna go, and so she's like, oh my God, what should I do? She's like, no, I know he'll have fun, I just gotta get him there, and so she says that, I've gotta get him to think, I get emotional just thinking about what she had to go through to watch this. I would break down if I saw my son do this. So she goes, I get him out of the car, and I put him down and I hold his hand, and I'm like, let's go to school, and he's crying, and he goes, but he's walking, and he grabs. Because he knows he has to. Yeah, and he grabs his lunch pill, and she goes, and then he did this thing I've never seen him do right before we walk in, I think he doesn't want the kids to see he's crying, so he wipes his tears with his shirt, and he still goes, I'm like, oh my God, tearing my heart out, dude, I don't know. I told her, I said, honestly, hon, you get whatever you want for this, because I would just break, there's no way I could do that. I can't do it. If I saw my son do that, she said that, and every time, it's really tough to break away, and then 10, 15 minutes later, she's like, that's the only reason why I can power through. She goes, otherwise, I would break down every time, but because I know that in 10, 15 minutes when I'm gone, he's playing or having a good time, but that initial drop off and leave. You relive all the challenging sit with your kids times a million. I remember one time, my daughter, I think she was in first grade or something like that, and I picked her up, and she was just really quiet, and like, what's the matter, honey, and whatever, and we're talking, and she's like, today the, you know, so-and-so, so-and-so-and-so, like three girls, she goes, they all told me they weren't gonna be my friend, and so I'm like. Oh, everyone, you told me this day. Oh, yeah, and I'm like. That's so brutal. Yeah, because well, I mean that's, little girls will do that. Yeah. Like one of them doesn't like you, and they'll convince the other one. Did they all shun you? Me either. So she was by herself. She's like, oh, I was playing by myself, and none of them wanna be my friends. Of course, you know, two days later, they were all good, cause they made up, but man, as a dad, I'm like, what do I do? Do I like, terrify these kids? Like. Come on, scare these girls. Ooh. Play with them. Like my daughter. Yeah. I'm gonna hide under your bed. Yeah, exactly. It was terrifying, anyway. Hey, so a cool study came out, I love studies like this, because it's, there's this belief, this widespread belief, that past a certain age, your mental capacity goes down, your productive ability goes down, your ability to innovate goes down. So like, for example, we think of successful entrepreneurs, and we think, oh, like once you're past 30, like, oh, waste of time, like it's when you're young, or we think of like, you know, huge innovations. None of it's true. In fact, the average entrepreneur starts their first business in their 40s. Some of the greatest inventions were started, or breakthroughs happened from people in their 50s and 60s. Anyway, study comes out where they tested brain, like basically production. Like, so your ability to produce certain things, your how you think, are you better or worse at certain things? And they actually found, I'm gonna pull it up here, they actually found that as you get older, certain brain functions or mental abilities improve. So here's what the study- I imagine it's got like a peak though, right? There's gotta be a place where it kind of peaks and then starts to decline. Well, so here's what they found, okay? Now, these are healthy people, obviously. If you're not healthy. Right, of course. Like any part of your body, your brain is a physical part of your body, it'll start to decline. But here's what they found. So it's hundreds of older people found that two key brain functions actually get better from your 50s on. So they include attending to new information and focusing on what's important in a given situation. Attending to new information, meaning that like you stick like a 50 year old in a college course, they should be able to retain that information. Picking what's important to stick to, and applying it. So decision-making, self-control. That's wisdom. Yes. I mean, that's really what you build yourself up to, is you kind of filter through a lot of information. You distill all the fluff and you go like, oh, that's the meat right there. I don't remember. Like this is, oh, this is the importance. Well, so you know what's crazy about this, because obviously as kids, media, commercials, TV, you grow up thinking like older people don't know much. And by the way, this is a relatively modern phenomena for most of the- It's because it all depends commercials. Because you know why we glamorize sex appeal and that kind of stuff, right? Most old cultures revere older people. Like if you go to any old, any culture that's been around for a long time, you find that they revere older people, they respect them, their wisdom, their words, all that stuff, okay. So as I got older and started training people in advanced age, one of the reasons why I love training them so much was their advice and their wisdom was just their life experience. Oh, it was- Do you think some of that has to do with young kids like idolize new information? Like if it's something new that came out or they just learned something new and then they get so attached? Because how many times have you heard a young mind talking to somebody who's much older and wiser and they're, oh, you have no idea what you're talking about? This just came out, this and that. And then the old wise person goes like, listen. And the 60s- You've seen multiple versions of this. And the 80s, this happened. This is not the first time that we've seen something like this. It's all repeated formulas. So right, so I mean, do you think that has a lot to do with it? Totally. Because as a kid, you get, because I remember being that kid too, like you think about your parent and like, oh, they have no idea, they're still stuck in the, you know, back in the 70s or something like that. Yeah, like the term boomers. Oh, you're a boomer. Like my son will say that to me sometimes. I'm like, you have no idea. I'm not a boomer, which is ridiculous, but you have no idea. You know what I think about? I think about myself now at my age. And then I think just 10 years ago, just 10 years ago, how much more I know about things. And now it makes me realize that I'm nowhere near where I'm gonna be in another 10 years. So you start to talk to, now this isn't true for all people who are older than you, of course. But oftentimes you talk to people who are 60, 70, 80, 90. Like I sit down with my grandparents and you ask them about certain things and they've been on earth more than twice as long as you. They probably know some stuff that you don't know. And so it's a good idea to take their advice. So it's very interesting to see a study actually show, like measure, like these things actually improve with age. Kind of cool, you know, to look forward to, you know, like Doug, that's why Doug's opinions are so important. So sharp. Yeah, like, you know, he's the babysit Moses. So he knows lots of things from back in the day. Hey, Justin, did you see the, did you see the high school that got in trouble for like falsifying their records or something like that so they could get on ESPN? That was trending right now. Bishop, I forget the name of the school. I had it written down, but yeah, somebody sent that, I think Marlon actually sent me that article. They, a lot of the guys on the team were actually in Juco. And they actually, they like formed this fake high school in order to get on some kind of like ESPN sponsored event where it's gonna be on national TV, national TV. And the whole high school is fake. Who organized this like a bunch of adults? Oh, the whole high school is even fake? Yes. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, they showed the location and it was just some random building. And so anyway, there's like a lot coming out. There's still learning information on it, but everybody's like, there needs to be a documentary on this. This is ridiculous. This sounds like some kind of, you know, wacky movie. Right. And the reason why they found out were because they got skunked like 58 to zero and they were like, this team with supposedly all these act, they were making claims that they have like four athletes that are gonna go pro. Bishop Sycamore. And it's a made up, it's a made up school completely. Yeah, made up. Oh, shit. Made up high school. I didn't even realize that. You know what this highlights to me is the whoever's televising this shit, like they're not checking anything. Oh yeah. Also like, sign me up, man. You know, play against a bunch of high school kids. That'd be fun. Let's make up, hey, let's make up our own high school. Yeah, right? Yeah. Yeah, you know, a bunch of 40 year olds that dropped out of high school, but we're playing football again, we're first place. Did you, now I sent you guys over the, I think it was ESPN that did a post on Jake Paul, supposedly retiring from boxing already. I saw that. He said that. I don't, it was on the score. It was, yeah, it was on score and ESPN. So they put it out there. I right away started to try and fact check. I mean, I imagine if ESPN and score put it out, it's, I would think that it's somewhat legit. Right. And so, but I started looking for, I went on his page, I started, I was Googling, looking to see for statements from him. I couldn't find it to verify that. But I tell you, I told you guys when we were talking that you got rattled. He did. And after the fight, when they were, they were talking to each other and Woodley was trying to, let's go again, let's go again. And he was real hesitant. And I think he was real hesitant because I think that was close for him. Now, of course, the card showed that he won, you know, but it was a split decision. And I think he got rocked. And I think he got real close to potentially losing that fight. Or this media genius, which he's turning out to be, this is part of his like hyping up the next. I wouldn't, I wouldn't argue that. This may be the last fight that he does. He almost retired. I mean, Oh my God. Please don't retire, you're undefeated. We need to see more of you. Yes. Think about it. This kid so far has really squeezed out every bit of juice out of this lemon. And he's going to keep doing it. And it's really, It's a valid theory cell. Totally. Totally. I mean, he's, isn't he, it was a him or his brother that would, that was like filming themselves, taunting the other fighter, like just show, like who was it then that was doing that? Where they were, they were driving up and throwing shit at them. Yeah. Well, uh, when he was trying to get Conor McGregor to sign on, like he harassed him and then his trainer. And then I think that was the next one. He was looking at. He's on his list. That's the one of the guy, I can't think of that kid's name right now. By the way, that guy's blown up to like over a million followers himself. His coach. Conor McGregor's boxing coach. I believe it's his boxing coach. I think it's his, or Jiu-Jitsu. Or Jiu-Jitsu coach. Is it Jiu-Jitsu? Oh, okay. It's, I, it's one of his coaches and Dylan, something. Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, something. Maybe Andrew can help me out here. Yeah. Dylan Davis, Dylan. What's the matter, Dylan? Pushing too many pencils. What's the matter? What movie's that from? Yeah. But he's been trolling Jake like crazy now ever since then. Like I looked, I went on his Instagram the other day and like, I would say the last, you know, 12, the last 15 posts is like jabs at Jake Paul. You know what? Everybody wants, everybody wants to make the money. Yeah. Like I'll get in the ring with Jake Paul too. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna make a million, million to $10 million. Like these guys are making so much money off of me. You know what? I'm sure I'm gonna annoy a lot of, piss off a lot of people, but you know what this highlights? This highlights the difference between swinging and throwing punches. Dylan Davis. Dylan Davis. That's close. This highlights the difference between standing up and trying to throw punches with someone and getting on the ground and trying to out grapple them because he would never, in a million years when a grappling match against a normal decent Jiu-Jitsu guy because on the ground, there is no lucky submission. Yeah. You get your ass kicked. Well, that's, you know, to that point, and I totally agree with you, if he were to actually fight a, just an okay legit boxer, I think he would get his ass kicked. And that was highlighted in this fight. I think Woodley actually almost had a chance just because he's got decent hands, he's smart, like he had a game plan, like he came in shape and he gave him a run for his money. Let me take it a step further. However good Woodley is at boxing, you take an equivalent Jiu-Jitsu guys, however good Woodley's in boxing, you get a Jiu-Jitsu, and the Jiu-Jitsu guy would school Paul on the ground all day long because on the ground, you are like, you can be a lion, but you're in the ocean, you don't know how to swim, and these guys are gonna, and I've seen it. I've seen, you know, 120 pound guys just fucking play with 200 pound guys, but he hasn't been training that at all. But I think that translates even to boxing. I think that he's in a whole nother, he's real boxers that have been boxing for 10, 15, 20 years of their life. Even if we, none of us know their names would still whoop this shit out of him because he's in a whole nother class. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not, and that was, that's what I saw from this fight. I mean, if he's beaten up YouTubers and basketball players, you know, if you're comparing him to those guys, like, okay, the kid can throw some hands, you know, so he's a tough kid, he's an athlete, like, and don't wanna take the credit from him, but you put him in a ring with a real boxer and he's gonna get fucked. Well, I mean, of course, anything, if you practice and train and fight at it, you're gonna, like, I remember, I've talked about this guy before, he was a 77 year old man who was a boxer back in the day, he was my client, and every once in a while he'd fuck around with me and he hit me in my shoulder. And I mean, he was like, he wasn't trying to hit me hard, but this old guy, like, I was like, holy shit, his hands were so heavy because he knew how to punch and he would just fuck around, like, you know, hit me in my shoulder, I was like, oh my God, dude, this grandpa could knock me out if he wanted to. I feel like somebody is gonna create, like, a league that is specific to these types of fights. I feel like that's the move, or someone like Showtime has like real fights and then Undercard always has like one of these, because that's a pretty smart move right there. It's like, Japan would be smart. Japan's already shown that that market works. So Japan has, yeah, they've had a lot of these weird exhibition matches. The mismatch kind of fights. Yeah. So they'll have like a giant, like a guy who's like seven foot and huge against a little, you know, pseudo champion and then they'll have them fight, or a sumo wrestler against the, you know, I mean, that's how the UFC even started. There was so many mismatches in the beginning because they were like kind of sorting it out, like, which style is gonna win out over this? When's the last time you guys watched some of those original UFC's? The original cage fighting? Dude, it's so awesome. Oh, bro. There was, I can't remember his name. Damn it. I can't remember his name. Black dude, big muscles. Yeah. He was an arm wrestling champion. His first, I know exactly who you're talking about. You know what I'm talking about, right? And then he got like really his punch drunk later on. But anyway, I can't remember his name, but his first fight, he comes out and the guy tries to take him down and he gets him in this weird crucifix position. So he's underneath the guy. He's got one arm tied up with legs, one arm tied up with his arms. He's sitting there for a second. Is it Bob's something? No, not Bob's sap. Not Bob's sap. I'll figure it out. Okay. And then he realizes like, oh, I can elbow this guy and just like a hundred times. And it was like, I couldn't believe how brutal it was. I'll remember his name. I know who you're talking about. I can't think of his name though. Yeah. Brutal. Brutal. Yeah, that's the Ken Shamrock, Frank Shamrock days, the Beast. Oh yeah, back in those days. Oh my God. Those are good. Anyway, so I'm excited for dinner time. Are you guys doing the pork chops yet from Butcher Box? Have you guys had those yet? Every time. I know. I'm so annoyed with you both. You know what it is? Cause I'm so bad about, I have my box set, dude. It's set on things that I eat the most. I'm telling you right now. I've been eating all of their bacon. I'll do it though. Pork chops, they're like this big. They have a nice layer of fat on them. And what Jessica does is she, she takes butter. Do you do like a maple glaze? Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, maple glaze. Oh, whatever. You know, but she does butter and a couple of the things. She makes it and then she sears it in like a cast iron, puts it in the oven. And then you put this. Oh my God. It's like that, huh? It's so... She doesn't cook it on the cast iron the whole time. She just sears and then bakes. Maybe she does keep it in there. Cause I bet you wouldn't have to cook it very long on the cast iron. They're like that big. Oh, they're like that thick? Bro, they're like this thick and they're like this big. Oh. And they're incredible. And I'm not a pork guy. Well, I mean, that was the thing I didn't realize was the difference of the heritage pork. I just assumed because it was healthier that it wouldn't taste as fatty and as good as like, if it was grain fed and stuff like that, like comparing the meat. The normal pork is bland compared to... I mean, I noticed it just in the bacon. I told you guys that the last time we had a butcher box commercial, I was talking about how we had one weekend when we had bacon and I didn't say nothing about it. I didn't think about it. And then the next week in Katrina May again, I'm like, why is the bacon so good today? And she's like, that's because this is butcher box. I'm like, damn, I don't realize it until you do something like that where you compare them back to back. Oh, I dare anybody watching this compare it. It's way more flavorful. And I'm not a, I hate pork normally, but now this is like a regular in my box. Speaking of sponsors, Felix Gray, right? Another company we work with, they make blue light blocking glasses. They came out with a new type of lens for kids. Was it? Oh, was it for just kids? It was for everybody. It's for everybody, yes. Cause I thought you would jump all over cause you used to talk about the amber. Cause we used to talk about it just being clear which they've had forever, which was great because you know, so they have the amber version now which is just slightly sort of colored but it's not like the super orange. Like basically what it is, is it's stronger. Stronger, probably more for nighttime usage. Yeah, but I don't know about you guys, but I, so I have the daytime and nighttime ones and I can tell a significant difference between the daytime and the nighttime. Oh yeah, you get tired. Like, yeah, that's exactly. So what I'll do if I'm like, if I am working, but I'm on my computer on my phone and sun is down and I don't want to go to sleep and I want to stay up and I want to work and I don't need to go to bed earlier, some of that. I'll put the daytime ones on. And I, and what I feel like what it does is the phone or the computer, it doesn't over stimulate me. It just feels like I'm not on the computer. Yeah, so you don't get the headaches. You don't get the, you know. Right, you feel totally fine. And then when I want to go to bed, I easily go right to sleep and I have no problem. If I put the nighttime ones on at night, like on the 30 minutes, I'm yawning. Like I'll be on the computer and I'm like, I'm totally falling asleep. So I already noticed a huge difference. So you're trying to tell me that these amber ones are going to be like another level of the night. Stronger, yeah. Yeah, even stronger. And by the way, if you've never tried this before, you don't even have to, you can test this out without glasses. What you do is, I don't know, two hours before bed, turn off all the lights and use candlelight and tell me that you don't start yawning and get sleepy within 45 minutes or an hour. Just that orange glow. It just, your brain. I feel like it shuts off. This reminds me though of one of those things that's really hard. It's like when you were the client and you're trying to teach them to be able to look at other things besides the scale and their reflection. They don't pay attention. They don't. So it's one of those things I feel like you have to do for a while to really start to connect the dots because you're just not used to paying attention. So how many people really pay attention to their nighttime routine before they go to bed? And then you give them these Felix Gray glasses and they're like, oh, I didn't feel anything. I didn't know anything. It's like, well, first of all, you probably have never even been paying attention. So you have to start with that. So I feel like you have to first pay, start paying attention to your patterns and your behaviors and your sleep and things like that first to get an idea of, okay, this is how long it takes me to fall asleep. This is how rested I feel when I get up. Like, oh, if I get on the computer or the phone and it's nine o'clock at night, what does that do for falling asleep? You got to start to like really watch that stuff. Then you do something and you introduce those glasses. And then I feel like it's very obvious. I have to teach clients to do that. So I have to credit my wife because she did this anyway without glasses. She's very much like at a certain time, we dim the lights. We start to talk quieter. You still annoy me because I come from a very loud family and we're loud as fuck up until the second we need to go to bed. So I was like, this is ridiculous. But now that we've been together for a while, I notice a huge difference. Then we go to eat at my parents' house and all the lights are full blast. Everybody's yelling, it's nine, 10 o'clock at night. And I'm like, oh, I can feel that this is not right. I'm supposed to settle myself down. So you go into my house and past 7 p.m., 6 p.m., 7 p.m., the lights are dim, everything gets darker. We talk a little softer. And it makes a tremendous difference in your sleep quality. You would throw a blue light blocking glasses on that and you're gonna sleep like a baby when you go to bed. No, I notice that too. Hey, real quick, I hope you're enjoying this episode. So head over to mindpumpstore.com. These are the final hours for our Labor Day sale and everything, including apparel and equipment, 20 to 50% off while supplies laugh. So that's mindpumpstore.com. Again, it's the final hours. All right, enjoy the rest of this show. First question is from ZW Spivey. What is the best way to increase grip strength? Mm, grip strength. We get a lot of questions on grip strength. And I do, and I made this comment before, but I do think it's important. Did you do a YouTube video on this? I did, and I put some like forearm developing exercises on there, but here's something, this is something that's very important to consider, okay? Your hands literally connect you to everything that you're doing. And we evolve to have very intricate fingers like we can place them well, but also strong hands. Literally, if your hands aren't strong enough to support the weight that you could lift with your shoulders and your back and your legs, then you can't lift that weight. What's happened is we barely ever use our hands. In fact, there was a study done with college-aged males. They tested their grip strength, and it was recent. It was like within the last five years. And they found that their grip strength was as good as a 60-year-old's in the 1980s. Like, we just don't do anything with our hands. And now this has far-reaching effects on the body. It affects the way that your shoulders move. Of course, it affects your workouts. It affects wrist health. And so it's definitely something that's important to focus on. So if you're working out and you can't hold onto the barbell or the dumbbells, you find your hands fatigued, and you're not like some champion powerlifter who's lifting ungodly amounts of weight, this is something you should focus on. One of the best things you could do to improve your grip strength is to do a little bit of grip work every single day. So this is an old exercise device. It's probably one of the first pieces of exercise equipment that was ever sold. It's those old-school hand grippers that you can, you know, a spring-loaded one. A spring-loaded one. And now, careful, because you can overdo this, but literally, at your desk, have it there, and every hour, you know, mess around with it for five minutes and then put it down. That's it. And don't go to failure. You're just working the hands a little bit, and your grip strength will go through the roof. Well, I mean, what are your guys' thoughts, because this person, the rest of the question, Doug didn't say, was struggling with grip on progressing on barbell rows. What are your thoughts of tools like the fat grips and this person using the fat grips to do barbell rows? Well, they'll have to use way less weight because that makes it harder. Initially, yes. I think they, I mean, they could just focus on the regular bar to get their hands stronger. But if it's stopping them from progressing, I mean, you're gonna have to do some stuff to get your grip stronger, or just be super patient, because eventually it'll catch up, you know? Or farmer carries, you know, doing things like that to do it. I mean, I like the squeezing and contracting, and I think that's gonna help, but I feel like something that is more closely related to what they are trying to, trying. It's for barbell rows, right? So doing anything but that is gonna not give you as good of an adaptation as doing that exercise. So I would do things like just get no wrist wraps on heavy barbell rows, and or playing with things like fat grips on that and doing the rows. Here's an old school exercise. This is back when newspapers existed. So you might be able to use something else, but you take a big sheet of newspaper. I guess you could do this with butcher paper. And with one hand, you start at the corner, and you crumple it up little by little until you get the whole thing into a ball. It's actually a very good hand exercise. And then in the gym, of course, you can hold on to things for time. That's more of an isometric thing. But don't forget that because it's isometric, the strength tends to be, I mean, it definitely radiates out, but most of the strength is in that position, right? So work on gripping things that are fatter, like you said, fat grips, or pinch grip, so you can hold plates with your hands like this, like this, one finger at a time, if you really want to get crazy. Well, that's why I like going this direction because it's an isometric contraction problem here. If you're doing barbell rows and you can't hold on to the barbell, it's you being able to hold on that. Your hands are in isometric position. You're rowing, okay? So the rest of your body's not, but your hands are. And so doing things in the, so hangs, hanging with your body weight on a pull-up bar, I think would help. I think the fat grips on the barbell would work. And then of course, just getting good at. Frequency and volume of holding heavy things. I mean, it's like to your point of farmer walks, that was a big game changer for me, just holding weight for longer periods of time. Because in two, you don't really realize that you're holding it for a longer period of time. You're just trying to get to, you know, so many yards of carrying these objects. So at least it takes kind of the focus away from it. But yeah, like it just exposing, you know, your hands to more different types of, you know, textures. And like even like the, like we have the rice bucket stuff, like in our OCR program, it's like things like that are, you know, things you don't normally do. And if that's really a focus of yours, you know, expose like just more dexterity and more function out of your fingers, which then helps with the overall hand strength, which then, you know, goes up to your grip and your wrist strength and everything else. It's just a matter of like, contracting and moving your fingers and your hands and picking things up. Yeah. And of course the forearm, you know, flexors and extenders are kind of connected to that, right? So there's exercises that'll flex, extend, but then don't forget lateral. A lot of people forget that this also is important. Fly fishing right there. Yeah. So I'll, I'll, I used to get a, like a dumbbell, like you know the ones that you can load with weight, the old school ones. So you can load weight or whatever. And I would hold one end and I would load it with a tiny bit of weight on one end. So it was offset. And then I do this exercise here or hold a bit here and go in this direction. It's good for that with Indian clubs. Indian. I'll do that sometimes too, just because you have like that long lever to account for. Yeah. That being said, all these exercises we're talking about right now, like for forearms and trying to develop for your grip strength, the greatest gains I ever had on my grip strength came way later when I started just heavy ass deadlifting and farmer carries. Like I, and I had done, I've like, I remember risk curls and reverse risk curls and doing all this, you know, all the different moves to develop my forearms to try and work on my grip strength. Nothing gave me better grip strength than actually just getting stronger at deadlifting, stronger at farmer carries. That brought it up more than anything else. And in a stronger grip for people listening or watching who are like, I'm okay, right? Like what's the benefit? Your presses, your rows, your curls, your extensions, when your hands feel strong, you're so much more connected to the exercise and you get better activation up the kinetic chain. So they find, for example, that wearing wrist straps, which tends to make us use a weaker grip, changes the activation up in the neck and in the shoulder. So having a stronger grip, even on presses, even exercise, you don't think you need to have a strong grip. When your grip is like, try this, next time you bench press, try putting wrist support on and wrist wraps on around the bar and all of a sudden you can lift more weight. Like how is that possible? It's simulating a stronger grip. So strengthen your grip and don't be surprised if you don't see all your lifts improve as a result. Next question is from Sarah Holly MN. I sweat a lot during a workout, others not so much. Why is that? Is my body more efficient at cooling down or why am I prone to sweating so much? Yeah, a lot of people connect sweating a lot with a good workout. I know, with burning fat and calories. This is mostly a genetic thing. It doesn't mean that you can't be an indicator that maybe you're working harder than you've compared yourself. Have you guys had a client like that that just profusely sweat and they would apologize all the time? I've had both extremes. I've had one where they're like that, like a puddle underneath them. And then I've had others where I could destroy him or her and they just barely, like one little sweat bead. Yeah, like not at all. So it's mostly genetic. I actually trained somebody that didn't sweat and I don't mean like, oh, I don't sweat. Like they literally had a medical condition where they didn't sweat and we had to be, I had to work closely with their doctor. They can't get them too hot. No, it's actually quite dangerous. And so I had to work with their doctor and talk about how to train them and the workouts were, they had to be very careful because they didn't sweat, their body could overheat very quickly and they could develop problems. Are you familiar with any research that shows that there's any benefits to somebody who does sweat really well other than what you're talking about, right? As far as danger? Yeah, actually. So the heating up of the body and your body cooling itself off with sweat is a good indicator that you're hydrated. And also exercises for lack of a better term, the muscle of your body dealing with changes in temperature. So it's like, why you get benefited going to the sauna, right? It's your body acclimating to temperature. And so if you use a sauna regularly, you'll find that your heat tolerance improves over time. One of the things I used to tell my clients when I would notice they weren't sweating as much and this is good for trainers, you'll see your clients sweating weird. And what I mean by that is they're dry everywhere except they sweat in one spot. Sometimes that means they need water. So their body is, they're not hydrated, they're not drinking enough water and so they have these kind of patches of sweat. Oh, interesting, that's what that means. Sometimes. So what I would do with these clients is I would say, oh, you need to drink more water, then they drink more water and they feel a lot better and then I would notice more uniform sweat. What is that? Is that because that's the only place the body's found water and so it's... It's like conserving from that one. It's like the most important place that they need to sort of cool down. Yeah, your body's conserving this fluid and so it's like, okay, we can't sweat everywhere. Oh, interesting. Yeah, so I would increase their water intake and they would notice improvements in performance. But that being said, if let's say you're well hydrated, you have a good diet, your workout programming is good, sweat a lot, not sweat a lot, doesn't really mean much at all. I mean, when I'm doing a strength-focused workout with long rest periods, I'm not sweating that much. When I'm doing supersets, I sweat a lot, both are effective. I don't sweat very often, yeah. Unless it is, it's a very high-intensity cardio-based workout. Otherwise, any strength, I barely sweat. Oh, I sweat pretty easy. I have to do a very low-volume, slow, long rest period type of workout to not sweat. Is that why you shower all the time? Yeah, yeah, no, that's why. That's why it's hard for me to train hard in the morning here and then podcast, because I don't... You just continue sweating? Yeah, well, yeah, I'm hot and then I'm all sticky and I don't like that. Next question is from one grumpy economist. What is more taxing on the nervous system? High reps with lower weight or low reps with higher weight? Oh, this is a good question. Yeah, this is good. This is a really good question. Because it depends as you do. It does, right, on the total volume, but I have to say, if we have to pick one... Heavyweight, yeah. You know what, that can be true sometimes, but think about it, like, what would hammer you more, like, you know, a set of max-out single or one set of like 30 reps on a squat? Are we talking about the feeling of being fried like after you're done? Yeah, yeah. Because high reps will do that to you, won't it? Yeah, I mean, yeah, after you're done with the amount of voice, sometimes I just want to go take a nap because it just, you know, depending on how much you did, it's like, whoa, it adds up later. Well, you could also make the case that it's going to be most taxing on the one that you don't do. Yeah, yeah. So if you're, because I've met... You're super conditioned for high reps. Yeah, I've met, I've had clients who are the, you know, CrossFit or the Orange Theory, Circuit, and then I could superset them, no rest periods for a whole hour, and they feel fully adapted to that. Yeah, I could be that same person and do some five-by-fives or some real heavy, and they are like, the gas, they're messed up the next day, they're sore shit for the next two or three days. So it really has to do with what you're already adapted to really well. And then that's, then the opposite is probably going to be more taxing on the CNS. Because your CNS adapts also. Yes. So if you, whatever you're doing, and if you're getting good and efficient at it, it's not going to be so taxing on the body when you do it again versus doing something that is totally different than what you ever do. So it's going to tax the CNS. You know I used to lift in really heavy weight. Yeah, that's going to be real demanding. Like you're going to need to allocate a lot of energy in that direction. I think intensity makes a big difference here. Like I can do low reps at moderate intensity and I could do higher reps at moderate intensity. And either one of them will tax me. If I do either one to failure, there's a huge difference in how my body feels. But I completely agree. It depends on which one you're used to and you move away from what you're used to. And it's very taxing on the body. Your body's just not used to those types of reps. Which is why when you transition like that, this goes back to the thing I was always talking about doing as little as possible to elicit the most amount of change. It's like, if you make a switch from one modality to another, that's when you've got to scale way back. You can't take the same approach. If you've been training circuit training hardcore for six months, years, and you're really good at it. And then you've got to, and so you can bring it to that workout. And then now all of a sudden you start doing five by five type of blocks, strength training. You lower the intensity. Yeah, you got to pack way off. You can't take that same mindset now that you've adapted to that way of training and the reverse is true. Yeah, well I noticed this too, even just like moving recently, right? So I'm doing a lot of like awkward, heavy objects, but lots of isometric contraction for longer periods of time. And it was just like my whole body was just like, Okay, we're done. Tax your CNS, right? Yeah, I have not done that. It's not heavier weight than you've ever dealt before. You left heavier weight inside the gym, but it's so different to the body and you probably were doing it for an hour or two hours and your body said. Take a professional mover who moves people's houses for a living. Does can do three houses back to back. Does it break a sweat? Yeah, that's a piece of cake. This is no problem. Yeah, that makes it a huge difference. This is why I know there's a lot of ways to measure heart rate variability and this and that. I think really just you have to kind of be in touch with your body and understand how your body feels. And I can tell when I do a workout, usually after, usually after the workouts done, sometimes while I'm doing it, like, oh, that was, I went a little too hard and it could be heavy, could be light. It depends on how I felt that day or whatever. So that's what's really important is pay attention to those signs. Like, do I feel fried after my workout? Do I feel scatterbrained? Am I exhausted or do I have energy? Am I feeling stiff or do I feel loose? Do I have lots of inflammation? And then the next workout, do I feel like, wow, I'm weaker. Wow, I don't have as much stamina. Like those are all signs that whatever you did was probably too much. Next question is from Liam McCurkbride. What is the most effective way to bulk? And should I track macros or be intuitive? You know, here's the thing with intuitive eating, right? Intuitive eating means you're in touch with the signals of your body. You're eating kind of what your body needs at any given moment. The direction intuitive eating will bring you is balance. You're gonna be relatively lean, relatively muscular and strong, fit and healthy. You wanna go outside of that, right? You wanna get extreme, you wanna get super shredded or super big. It's not intuitive. There's nothing intuitive about pushing my body to gain 15 pounds of mass or to get down to 4% body fat. It's just, it's not intuitive because your body is always trying to be healthy. And if you're intuitive about it, you're gonna be healthy. You push outside of that, you're probably gonna have to track. I know I do. When I'm trying to bulk, I have to track because if I do it intuitive, it ain't gonna happen. You can only be intuitive if you've had the history of putting the reps in first and the training behind that. So that's always like, you gotta track to even know what that looks like. Otherwise it's just a guessing game. So there's nothing, it's not necessarily intuitive. It's just that you're kind of like guessing and feeling your body's signals which can totally be misleading. Whereas tracking, like at least to understand where your maintenance is. I think that's the very first thing. I remember being so challenged answering this question because when we wrote the intuitive guide, we got a bunch of this. Cause we were promoting that. I mean, ideally I think that that's the place to be. Like you wanna get there. I think for when we talk about general health, longevity, right? Yeah, sustainability. Yeah, we've talked about like that is the place to get. Like you wanna get to a place of intuitive eating, intuitive training to where it's not this big stress or something you have to think about all the time in order to do it. But the truth is if you have very specific goals, like even as long as we've been training, I don't eat intuitively. If I really care about adding 10 pounds of muscle or shredding 10 pounds of fat and I wanna do it as fast and as efficient as possible, I'm tracking still today. Now, does that mean that I couldn't do it intuitively and maybe slowly get there? Well, yeah, I could probably do that. I can intuitive. I think you'd be able to do it to get down to 5% though. No, you're right. Because it just- Intuitive is your body saying no. Yeah, well the more extreme the goal is, the more important it becomes to be diligent about your tracking because there's less room for air as you scale up or down. Yeah, intuitive could take you from inactive to fit or obese to relatively lean, right? Intuitive is home base. This is your home base. Now, if your home base is healthy and balanced and you're fit and you can move and you feel good generally and then you wanna move away from home base and go extreme, extreme is not healthy. It just isn't. Forcing your body to hit ridiculous PRs all the time is not longevity promoting. It's fun and I think that there's something to it with quality of life on that stuff, but we'd be lying to ourselves if we said that that was about longevity. Same thing with getting super shredded, like is getting down to single digit body fat percentage, is that good for longevity? No, no, longevity is higher than that, right? It's not super high, but it's higher than that. Getting super, you get on stage and you compete. There's nothing, that doesn't promote longevity. It just looks super shredded. So if you're trying to do it in an intuitive way and you're really intuitive about it and you're honest, your body is saying, no, I don't wanna keep eating 3,500 calories a day or no, I don't wanna get down to that leanness. I mean, I know when I get down below 9% body fat or 8% body fat, my intuitive signals are saying, you need to eat, this is not, you don't wanna be here. And I know there's definitely people right now that are listening like, oh, I have no problem, I eat intuitively and I'm shredded or I can do this. There's always gonna be, and by the way, congratulations, you're a black belt in this. I mean, when you get to a certain level of training, dieting for so long, you get pretty good at being able to adjust a few things to get your body to respond in the direction that you want to go. I wanna add a few pounds of muscle. I know there's a few things I can do right now that will instantly do that for me. And the same thing goes for going the opposite direction. So it doesn't mean that there's not people that can't move their body weight up or down or get really shredded and lean or get really buff from intuitive eating. It's just, it's way more difficult for the average person. And if you really have a very specific goal and you also wanna do it as quick and as efficient as possible, you just gotta track. Now to answer the part of the question that's like, what's the most effective way to bulk? Figure out your maintenance calories. So whatever you need to eat to not gain weight and to not lose weight, add about five to 700 calories to that depending on how your body responds. Make sure you eat about, you know, generally one gram of protein per pound of body weight. And depending on your gut health and how you feel, you don't wanna go too low carb. And that's it. And that'll be the most effective way, right? You could go a thousand calories or 1500 calories over maintenance. You'll gain more weight, but it won't be more muscle. In my experience, it's about five to 700 over is kind of the magic sweet spot for most people. And then here's the other part of this. If you have a workout that's not stimulating muscle growth, then it's not gonna work. You're just gonna gain body fat. So if you send the right signal, bulking is actually easy. If you're not sending the right signal, bulking can be a real big pain in the ass. So make sure your workout is really effective, really well programmed. And then you add 500 calories to your maintenance and you'll see muscle. My favorite thing to do as far as the workout being effective is when you make this mental decision that I'm gonna switch to a bulk, like the advice I give to clients is this is where I have them switch to another maps program. So whatever they're currently following, it doesn't matter where they're at and I normally will go, okay, we are gonna add 500, 700 calories and now we're also gonna transition into a different program. A whole new stimulus. Absolutely. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com. We have lots of free guides that can help you build muscle, burn body fat, improve your health and your athletic performance. We even have guides for pain. So that's mindpumpfree.com. You can also find all of us on Instagram. So you can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin. You can find myself at Mind Pump Sal and Adam at Mind Pump Adam.