 Thank you for keeping us company and if you just tuned in this is why to fight for discussion Monday kicks off right now with the question where are we as a nation in terms of someone to audit all the accounts or the government's account that they have or the money that comes in including our county governments I'm speaking to political analyst Cyrus Alito. Good evening. Good evening. Is toriya Korone Meku Fikisha Mapi? Korone, we shall manage the way it is as the government says. I thought it's only the members of the further state, the nurses and when we need to cook kwa kazi. Apana. Ujaka kwa nyu mba? You see people are hustling. Pesai kwa adi. So, let's move to cutafute. Alright. Yes. No, we have a good number of member of parliament when you wanna say ma the kind of field maybe the executive is frustrating the efforts to have the auditor general and you remember back in 2019 August Dr. Oko retired and since then we've not had auditor general. There were accounts to be looked into. There are so many cases in courts. There are a lot of questions in terms of the funds that have been used and also this year actually like three months short the time to give our budget or to get our budget rather What would you say is the current state? Are we in a good state or we are looking to a trouble? First and foremost I can say that we are headed into a big problem or trouble because one we don't have audited accounts that are there for the public. The office of the auditor general gives information to the public how the funds have been used within as per the budget that was estimated. Now as when the MPs cry I think to me I take it as a job because they have been compromised for a very long time. They are just like rubber stubs. They don't execute their work the way they are supposed to execute. The terrain of numbers was just used to make the government run the way it wanted to run. But right now is when now we are going to fill the pinch out of the terrain of numbers. Now this one brings a lesson to Kenyans that whenever you go for elections as much as you are told to vote on terrain of numbers then don't just vote nikompoms but vote people with wisdom. Because the number of MPs that we have in parliament actually they are not up to task. So the problem we are having at the office of the auditor general is something that the country should look into. Not only the parliament but also we as citizens because there is a law that is going on that will never be accounted. Or one because of the lack of the auditor general we are supposed to come with reports. We shall never have good reports of accountability from all this, from the budget be it the counties to the national government. So there is a very big problem that we are facing as a country which needs to be addressed as soon as possible. But I don't know who is going to address that because now so many people or so many offices have acting managers or acting CEOs. And these are some of the very strong offices. Even the office of the political parties act. Since it was instituted the former CEO was acting. The current one is also in acting capacity. And you see when you are on acting capacity you cannot execute your full mandate. So this one clips your powers. Now there is no good service that can be delivered to the people. Now we are the office of the auditor general. What we need is to have the office be filled. But now it is upon the parliament to now the public accounts committee. Public investment committee and the other committee. There are around three committees that need to come out clearly. And state it loudly. They should also have a meeting with the president and ask him why are we not having the auditor general. Because now we don't have full reports. We are headed into a budget for 2020-2021. Where are we going to get the reports if the auditor general is not in office. Even as they ask the question what about the budget. The question is why has it taken the president long to appoint someone because there are 17 people who were there he refused them. Maybe because of conflict of interest and you see the Kenyan government there is a lot of funds that it has not accounted for. That it needs, that it raises a lot of questions. You see this is one of the auditor general that you have heard as a country who has been very much outspoken. Who spoke without fear. Who executed his duties diligently. And we can say maybe the government is the appointing authority is afraid they may appoint someone who may be more brave than the one who left the office. So and you see when we have the people very bold people then the public gets more information than the way it has been the other years. Because much of the things on auditing from the government side have been well known when Awko has been in the office. Most of the public have become aware of the auditing of the public resources when Awko was in the office and lapses have also been seen from this. So these are some of the things I believe from my side the government is also afraid of. They fear being publicized that they are not doing their role as they are supposed to do or they are not utilizing the funds as they are supposed to do. Remember this is a watchdog that is as much as a public entity or it's managed by the government. But you see the person who was there was coming out without fear who is who. Be it on the governors, be it on the parliament itself be it on the executive. So these are some of the things that I believe that they need to get someone whom they can control in one way or the other so that much of information cannot go back to the public but it remains with them. All right, I want us to look into something it could be controversial because maybe they will need someone who has experience and my question would be did Dr. Awko really mentor someone we're speaking about the unemployment and we have so many youths out here and I'm sure most of them have even masters in things to do with accounts and the country have this space for us. Actually in the same vein we have Nkeiari coming in Governor Sonko ceded some power to the state and now I hear Nkeiari will now be collecting direct tax from the city hall. The payment of parking fee will go to Nkeiari the licenses go to Nkeiari any payment made to the county government and Nkeiari will be managed by Nkeiari. So these are some of the money that you would want to know or to know how they have been accounted for when they came in as this much, this much has been used. Now if we do not have someone what state are we now? You see, from that angle we are not going to get information one, the lack of the auditor general two, the county assembly of Nairobi We never account for anything because they are toothless at the moment and you see as much as they are elected by the people but now they are not serving the interests of the people they are serving the interests of other individuals. So this is some of the things that we need to be very vigilant when we come to elections next let me say 2022 if we get to that point but when it comes to accountability as a nation we failed and we fear accountability being accountable is something that we fear and anyone who raises up to question anything concerning accountability on monies that how the government spends or how the county government spends this person becomes an enemy of the states so these are some of the things that we need to be very vigilant we need some bold people to come out people like Okeomu Tata, he needs support of the public so that we need to be more informed about our own taxes because at the end of the day any money that goes to the government our own taxes that you pay that are going to pay the salaries and do development so we need to know how they accounted for you've talked of public being involved and then how then do we get to ensure public participation in some serious matters like this because if it's the appointment that comes directly from the president and now it has taken time we do not have what Auditor General how then as an electorate would I ensure that my voice has been heard and I need someone to account for every single penny that comes into the government's account and it has been used correctly you see like whatever we are talking about now there are very few Kenyans who are aware about it very few Kenyans who are aware about it now when we come out and speak about it day in, day out then it raise eyebrows because you see a government has a way of confusing people we have been since he left there are a lot of things that have been going on and you see people have concentrated their efforts on that no one is sitting down and asking about accountability we are all looking at how will this thing pass how are we going to go to let me say a referendum on other things so these are some of the things that the government is using to confuse the public with so that we don't sit down and think about the Auditor General we don't sit down and ask about accountability on our money so it is an uphill task that we need to enlighten our people about it but I don't know to what extent we are going to enlighten our people on to date and maybe we can just come up with a a Twitter handle on the same about the Auditor General and about accountability let us have the auditors of this nation bring up the things then we shall be up to task some of the MPs feel like maybe something is being called towards someone is trying to nask the agenda it come 2022 but also in the same case in your own opinion why do you think it has taken the president to come up with someone this far I can say the mistake is not only the blame is not only on the president the blame is also on the MPs because it has taken them long to respond to this issue or to raise concern on this issue why because it is their responsibility to question that because the budget committee needs to make budgets but you cannot make budgets without the previous accounts so it has to have the previous accounts and it has to liars with the Auditor General so the parliament in one way or the other it has failed so we can not only blame the president or the office of the president but also the parliament has failed in its own role because they have been compromised and you see when one identified that this person is weak then I can neutralize my efforts in ensuring that he does not come out to speak or he speaks out late when things are already out of a mess and out of control so parliament has really failed Kenyans and as I always say that when it comes to election let us elect diligent people people who are ready to serve people who are ready to to receive 10,000 bribes in the toilet as it was alleged sometimes back the appointment of the 17 that was rejected some of the individuals in office today by law they are said not to be they shouldn't be there by law they say they are not supposed to be there then we heading to the budget who will do this and of course as we speaking even about the coronavirus we expect some donor funding coming in how then will we ever account for the money that came and how it was used concerning the money that has already come already the money has already come in 6 billion that is already there for the coronavirus so there will be no accountability of these monies we will not have a body that will account for this now when it comes to budget the budget committee will need to give a budget to the Kenyans but it will not be a budget that will serve Kenyans at large but it is a budget that will just be an enticing budget let me say a budget that when you look at it it is so good we will be able to question the budget because the auditor general will not have participated in it because the office is vacant now remember the auditor general office is not the only office that the president has rejected to appoint the officer in charge look at the judiciary the judges who are nominated the president did what he ignored it and said to say it in the judges so these are some of the things that when you sit down and look the back does not only stop by the president there is a lot of work the parliament has failed in executing so much efforts are with the parliament which has already failed in its mandate now as we wind up I wouldn't want us to dwell on it so much because it is something or it is an issue rather okium tata has taken up this matter we have seen him come along and win some cases do you think he will win this one he can win best one is his case and evidence that he has tabled he can win probably because I have not seen any case okium tata has lost concerning the government and any other thing concerning the government he will definitely win but I think the only one that he lost is about the thousand shilling note that the only thing that he lost but the rest he has always won alright let's wind up on this I would like you to make your final recommendations and maybe you can also comment about the coronavirus because I know as a Kenyan as a Kenyan I can just say let us just follow the government directives let us be safe but as much as they say that the self quarantine or what let us also look at the public transport you see there is a lot that needs to be done on that because if seriously coronavirus has come to attack us then we shall really be attacked from the public transport go to Mombasa the ferry people go to Machinani you see I was reaching the international media yesterday they saying that Africa may have these many cases but because of lack of poor communication or poor mainstreaming from the media then our cases are not hard but if they do their own investigations then Africa may be having the highest infections of coronavirus so let us keep safe all of us as it is said it is there so let us follow the government directives and be safe alright thank you so much Sylas for coming in and doing to this particular matter and also the cause on the coronavirus I'm sure you also making a comment on how the media is reporting on the same because actually I've also watched a clip where a lady somewhere in the village she's saying this thing is not true or she doesn't have that information and I'm sure there are a number of people who might be ignoring the same and if the government is saying it's there we need to believe the government it's your government and you are the government thank you so much for keeping us company back home this is why Masha Reiki thank you so much my name is Dereva Hillary have yourself a very beautiful week ahead goodbye and good night