 And we have a live gentleman welcome to the 73rd edition of the red man group I am your host and moderator Donovan sharp We are presented in part by the 21 convention, which is now just 12 days away. That is in less and software can change July 18th through the 21st the 21 convention will be in Warsaw, Poland tickets are still available I'm gonna be putting the the the link in the chat here very shortly There's also another link in the description of this video You can also get tickets to October's event in Orlando, which runs from October 24th through October 27th So act now because the earlier you buy the more money you save. Okay guys today We are discussing whether or not red pill aware men should eventually turn in their player cards and Settle down or just keep adding new girls to their roster We're also gonna talk about what's next for men who have been red pill aware for years and years guys who've been in the game for a while and Decided to either settle down with one girl or just to continue to casually date But the question is is what happens when women are no longer the focal point of a man's life? That is what we will be discussing here today, but before you get started I'm going to introduce today's esteem panel first none other than Anthony dream Johnson the founder and CEO of 21 studios as well as the red man group Anthony is going to be He's gonna be moderating the chat here as well. We also have John Cooper who you can find on Facebook I'm gonna be putting his links in the chat here very very shortly good to good to meet him John comes to us from the UK. Is that correct? Excellent very good. So John is coming to us from across next. We've got DDJ aka Bob Lewis the author of the world-renowned book the feminist five get you guys be sure to check that out on Amazon or anywhere else next up is Robbie Kramer AKA Robbie K comes to us from Kiev, Ukraine. I think that's how they say it in Kiev, correct Yeah, the Ukrainians say Kiev and the Russians say Kiev Ukrainians don't really like Russians too much. Is that still the case or no in the western side of Ukraine It's more like Ukrainian and the eastern side and also in Kiev the capital everyone's pretty pro-russian at least the language anyways Yeah, listen, don't get it twisted. I'm not I've dated one Ukrainian girl and I lived in Vegas She got the better of me. I thought I was her boyfriend But I was the side dude. She was actually dating somebody else at the time But all that I know about Ukraine was because of her so Yeah, some of the Ukrainian girls are kind of nationalistic, but yes, you know when it comes down to it They're they're all you know former Soviet and they get along if you make them Is my man Steve the Dean Williams you guys can follow him on Twitter at the man mindset the man mindset Com is his website and of course last but not least the boy Donovan sharp on the air Monday through Fridays on YouTube at 12 Eastern on patreon Monday through Thursday at 6 30 Eastern standard time the morning. How are we doing today? I'm doing pretty well, man. Yeah, ramping up for Poland. I'll leave in just a couple days about five days from now Excellent final five of ten here final runway Are you excited about Poland what any last minute last minute changes? Yeah, I mean we're going through the workshops fishing out flushing up the schedule and stuff like that for speaking and the workshops Which are new you saw Patriarch you did one yourself and Steve Williams and stuff so that's going on But more than that just getting the gear together getting the team together getting fucking amped up Final flights here and there. I'll tell shit, you know a lot But I'm excited man We've been to Europe with the convention in a long time since 2012 when Robbie was actually the host He was the emcee of that our last European convention in 2012 London. I met I met John Cooper there as well I came by with some of the speakers that you know at the time Yeah, fuck yeah, good stuff. So I'm gonna go to John John give us sort of an update or an introduction As to who you are a lot of people myself and I met you A minute ago sort of get the brief rundown readers digest in terms of who you are about website, etc Yeah, cool. Okay. So yeah, my name is John Cooper. I have a website called art of social co I've been a coach for nine years now coming on ten years. I started off a bit broken-hearted I kind of went straight down into the That the game routes and using more pickup techniques to try and get laid I thought that's what I needed at the time and I went deeper down that rabbit hole And then I actually realized a lot of this was a a lot of my outward expressions were coming from low self-esteem at the time And when I started to develop that I started to develop a new kind of Mindset around women which was more about being a social artist rather than a pickup artist And it was bringing back the essence of what an artist is as opposed to an artist And so I talk about an artisan being someone that engineers a conversation engineers an interaction like an artisan With design piece of furniture or you know, something like you know A fair garden fence or something whereas an artist just expresses how they want to express and they don't care upon the response of the recipient of that whoever looks at that piece of art. So by by sort of adopting those principles of the artist I actually found that I was able to Connect better with women and be more attractive around women as well because it showed that I didn't need a result from them Because the artist doesn't need you to like them So I kind of I I developed what I called social artists And that was like a philosophy that I created and it was just about encouraging guys to see See the social world in a different way than the pickup artists Taking more of this artist approach. So I've been doing that for like the last Five years on my own solo Traveled around numerous countries coaching men and women I hold workshops in Sweden where I have they're called tantric dating workshops We'll hold 20 men and 20 women and they just basically go into a bar and they just you know, they get it on Yeah, that's pretty crazy This is like no no hold bar in that in that room. So but the idea is just like Yeah, just like bringing bringing masculine and feminine desire together in a room. Basically Cooper making love great again. Exactly In a cheeky in a cheeky way. So that's it. Yeah, that's that's kind of where I'm at and you know, I met Anthony 2012 when he came to as he said when when he came to London did the convention there And yeah, I'm gonna be talking at the convention. I'm gonna be doing and hopefully an hour And just showing guys how to come from this place of instead of going out looking for women Which is kind of what this this podcast about right instead of going out out there with the sole intention to chase girls Look for girls. It's about how can you shut up from a place of just express yourself outwardly and Whether or not the women vibe with you or not You haven't lost anything because the the the purpose the outcome was just to basically shine to just shine on people And when you actually come from that you are way more attractive anyway And people used to say to me when we when we used to go out these to say John How come all the girls around you and not us? I said because I'm the only one not doing game in the room and That was kind of a bit of a mind fuck for a lot of people But like when I explain it I actually show that Why kind of detaching from the outcome from women but still taking action with women that is like the ultimate yin-yang That's actually where you become like your your maximum charge almost your your highest Attractive potential, so I'm gonna be I'm gonna be showing that at the 21 convention It's 10 years in the making of materials. So I'm really looking forward to unleashing that in Warsaw. Good Give us your website one more time. Yeah, sorry. I kind of stumbled over tonight. It's www.artofsocial.co Dot co. Yeah, couldn't quite afford the dot-com, but oh Co it is. Yeah Oh, there it is. I got it. Okay. Cool got part of social. Excellent. Excellent. Um DDJ You've had a very interesting fortnight. That's been a couple of weeks since you've been on the show What have you been up to a? lot of research In case you couldn't tell for my last two videos Just like I like I like having my facts straight I like being able to do the homework and to dive down into the reality of certain situations that I talk about So I've got actually I've got a lot of stuff. I've been doing behind the scenes I've also been doing some traveling so like from the time that I made my last video till now I probably I Was traveling right after that probably for about four days five days something like that and so now I'm working on a Few other things. I've got a couple new her stories. I'm gonna be putting out Which is part of my her story series I'm also gonna be going back and touching on my Elizabeth Warren a Video that I talked about making I just got caught up in this other last-minute thing that I thought was important to discuss You know and really just looking at the reality of the man is fair the other thing that I'm working on as well that I think is important is this idea that We as men should not be politically active in our sphere You know one of the reasons in my view that the man is fear is so We're kind of the underdog Right. I mean in in Western countries men are discriminated against and there's actually studies out that prove this now But part of the reason that men got discriminated against so badly is Because men were not involved politically men allowed these laws to get passed They were duped into doing some of these things into white nighting for some of these things that were coming up And now we're in a situation where you know the man is fierce coming back into prominence, especially with Trump's presidency Yes, yeah, a lot of these male spaces that are coming back You've got things like the proud boys, you know, you have free speech rallies constitutional rallies things like that These things are all important, but there are people within the man is fear That are basically telling men to cripple themselves and what I mean by that is is that we as men Need to be politically active and I don't just mean voting I mean paying attention to the political dialogue when it comes to people who support the welfare state When it comes to people who support open borders when it comes to people who oppose our constitutional rights Whether they be the constitutional right to do process to free speech or the right to bear arms We need to be speaking out against those things as men just like we speak out against Feminist bigotry and just like we speak in favor of making men more masculine so that they can have better lives So I think that those things that those things are important as well It's part of being an adult and it doesn't matter if you're in the United States or you're outside of the United States Whatever whatever country you're in you should be as an adult male politically motivated to Put your best foot forward to to act in your self-interest not only in your self-interest But in the self-interest of the men around you and I think that that's a real big issue Where we see that like I said there are people out there and I'm not going to name names here But there are people out there that are actively telling men don't be political Right. I mean that's like saying don't use your dick sit in the corner and cry and masturbate while you're while your woman fucks Her bull right that's really what that is and and and the reality is is that you know Nobody on this panel has time for hashtag cuck lives matter. We're all masculine men We all have healthy levels of testosterone and to tell men to cuck themselves by not being politically active or being politically responsible That just violates kind of like the man code That's like telling men not to budget right go spend outside your means and go buy stuff that you don't need you don't want Or that are poor investments and and go from there I mean part of the red man group is talking about making you know investments in your life investments in your attitude investments in your health investments in your Abilities socially and all those things to improve our lives So why wouldn't we talk about these types of things as well because that's that's an aspect that's important And I'll tell you it's extremely effective because the feminists did it and now we're you know 45 years under feminist control and here we are So those are kind of the things that I I'm kind of focusing on that kind of the direction that I'm taking because again I don't think it necessarily like we shouldn't be MRA. So that's not what I'm saying But I'm saying that just like we as men have a budget. We you know that we live that we live under We have responsibilities we have in our lives. I think that being politically active is one of those responsibilities as men That's all I'm the best If I can tag on a DDJ here, too Like you mentioned the MRA is if you look at the Manisphere in total It's like a couple million men between the pickup artists community the red poke community the migtail community the immense rights Each one is a couple hundred thousand or more men involved with it and not everyone is a part of each like tribe Some people don't give a shit they're focused on one or two don't give shit about the others But there's a reason that all of them exist. There's a reason the migtail stuff exists whether you approve it or not There's a reason the red poke community exists whether you like it or not There's a reason the pickup artists community Started the seduction community rose to prominence and still exist right and there's a reason the men's rights community exists Even if you're not out fucking at their conferences or whatever the fuck they do and holding picket signs of shit There's a reason that should form there's a reason that exists And there's there's a reason we need to respect and probably get along with them figure out what to do or get involved Their own way that matters and it's effective just like DDJ is talking about so yeah I think it's ridiculous to dismiss the MRAs and stuff even if like I don't I criticize them openly sometimes But I respect that they exist and that there's a reason they exist Listen, they make a lot of good points and to G to DDJ's point is You have to be involved because you have skin in the game to have skin in the game and then sit on the sideline That that makes about as much sense as going and buying steak and then not This is why with the convention I tried to do the best I can with managing these different groups these different competing interests These different speakers these different tribes and stuff because I think they're all important They all need a voice they all need to get it out there and then figure out what we can do it That what actions can be taken what speeches need to be given what events what podcasts and all these things There's this shit. There's a lot of shit going on and like DDJ mentioned to feminists are very politically active Yeah, the man is fear. You know, everybody's a lot of the man is fear is kind of like, you know Teppid with politics feminists are fucking gung-ho. They've been gung-ho for decades in like century now politics laws legislation judges Seeing all the state laws governors all these fucking things even the presidency they tried to get installed their own little feminist fucking queen and the Presidency and it blew up in their face. Thank God Yeah, well and the final thing that I'd like to touch on too is I is it that I think it's an important thing that Anthony stated where he said You know, there's a couple million guys across a man is fear in different tribes. That's only the stated numbers That's not the unstated numbers. So like in the migtail community We have what's called stated migtail and then we have what's called unstated migtail So the stated migtail community might be a hundred and fifty thousand people But there's probably 10 or 15 million men across the globe that that are living that particular lifestyle in in the lifestyle as I Describe it. I'm not talking about in cells here But but the same token when you talk about pickup artists when you talk about, you know Guys that are doing dating coaching when you're talking about game when you talk about the guys who are working on fitness and things Like that for every subscriber each one of us has there are 10 or 15 guys who watch our content Who who follow us? They're just not subscribed. They're just not stated numbers Right, so I mean and all of us have have videos where we have a couple hundred thousand views But we don't you know, that's don't necessarily have with the exception of Anthony in this group You know, not all of us have, you know, a couple hundred thousand subs But we do have those people watching and paying attention So so even though the voices are kind of lurking in the shadows, so to speak those those guys are paying attention to everything that We do I agree and I think those are the guys I think those are the guys who put try not to make this political But those are the guys who put Trump in the White House my girlfriend actually called it on election night She called it the unviolent majority or the silent majority rather Let's move to Steve the Dean Williams Steve. What have you been up to? What are you working on and what's next? Same old same man. Just kicking off the just the show here on Mondays the Red Pill mindset and my Tuesday show But I think the only thing we have that was that we just put out a few days ago We had a guy calling to the radio show Who was messing with a woman? Messing with some chick and he wanted to smash her sister So what we did was we got it live on air we called him I told him what to say He started talking that yak to her ass. He bossed the fuck up and She was down so we got the sister too. So damn Oh Yeah, so we got the sister too but other than that man just getting ready for polling man And that's about it big go less than two weeks. So we all right guys All right, let's stop the circle jerk. Let's get right into it The reason why I wanted to talk about this is because a few years ago Roosh Roosh was actually here at my police a couple nights ago. I'm actually gonna be hanging out with him Here in downtown Philly tonight for his talk he did a talk with a long time writer for attorney attorney Kings Quintus courteous and It was I think it was their culture war to our chat and right around the 25 minute mark Roosh, he said something that really got me thinking he says quote I thought that the end goal for men was basically it was basically this just to chase a lot of girls But suddenly almost like in the last couple of years. I've been unable to keep it up He continues he said he said I'm coming to the conclusion that chasing girls a lifestyle that many guys who read me is a stage I honestly thought I would be 60 years old in the shopping mall asking girls where the pet shop is I'm not even 36 at the time and I can't even tolerate a nightclub Now me personally those statements really struck a chord with me because I know that at some point in my life I'm not gonna be able to pull high Sexual market value girls no matter what my game level is right now. Yes, there are exceptions to the rule The recently passed away Hugh Heffner despite being as old as dirt He's still able to fuck the hottest tightest youngest blondes on the planet But we all know that Hugh Heffner's fortune and his very industry that gave him that really gave him an Unlimited access to high quality girls until he eventually died But now the question becomes what about the everyday guys out here like us on the panel who don't have seven-figure bank accounts You don't have celebrity status every man on earth Has sexual desires until the day he dies now Obviously age and testosterone levels whether they're natural or synthetic play a role in the degree and the intensity of those desires But they are there nonetheless So what is and we're gonna get everybody's opinion on this What do men do when we quote-unquote hit the proverbial law? What is the decision? Do we stop chasing girls? Do we settle down Anthony? I'm gonna start with you because you are you're nowhere near The point we're on that there's there's a 12-year age gap between us What is your mindset? Have you ever thought about what your life would be like post being assault daddy post seeking arrangement? Yeah, my buddy's called me or Landon's number one stepdaddy Solid daddy and stepdaddy. Yeah, I don't even do that all the time I go through like these like six months like 12 months stints where they do pick a certain type of girl It's like how I'm in on that sugar babies the single moms like that So the first thing that came to mind though with the chasing girls thing forever and whatnot There's actually one of our old speakers. He's actually like one of our biggest speakers We've ever had Brent Smith. He spoke in 2014 and 2016 and his first talk has like 1.5 million views. So it's huge in the channel. It's like the second second or third biggest talk We've ever had The talk is you never have to chase a woman again I think I'm stating it right and he was the first guy who introduced me the concept because in my in my Pick a part of stays when I was much more aggressive going out cold approaching like thousands of times. He was crazy The idea that you didn't have to chase women and in fact that it If you could be counterproductive if you've adapted a different mindset was really fascinating to me And for a long time I focused in on that and it was it was bewildering to see it in action Looking back on it though It's very similar to what I've seen corporate a talk about one of our other panelists and you know So like that corporate eight Not chasing women whether in the moment, you know in an actual cold approach or in like a moment in your life Or over the next 20 years. It's actually a really effective way to get women pulled in your life They it's basically weaponizing attention. It's what corporate eight calls it calls it and by actively not pursuing women and Like, you know weaponizing your time and using it that super effective way you pull them in like constantly I don't always do this, but it's fun to play with them time to time because it really reminds you of like just have fluid Sexual and social interactions can be right do almost anything if you if you have the cream or a frame for it The balls to fucking pull it off to speak your mind speak your fucking soul But in terms of like after the you know, the salt babies and shit like that I mean, I mean, I want to build a family flat out. I've said that before I'm I want to do it Like Tanner Guzzi style a hundred percent like if I can find the I know it's you know, children are not cheap Steve I'm sure I can tell you that Steve the Dean air he has like five or six kids or some shit Patriot dog lives matter. He got snipped eventually fucking He was like But yeah, I have no problem with building a family. I have no problem with With that kind of life Whether or not you need to be exclusive as a man like the woman definitely needs to be as a man though I don't even know if you have to be I mean most someone are probably gonna want to demand that But if you have the value in the frame for it, I don't think you have to and I know a guy I know one of our speakers. I'm not gonna name names It's very private, but he does that he has several children with this woman. She's Ukrainian and She's a hundred percent with him. Okay getting strange on the side Now why is that well? They have specific rules because it's important to him first of all second of all They have specific rules for it and really revolves around like for him and I could do this in the future if it matters to me I don't know yet if the world give him my age But they have specific rules for it and one of them bait and they sent her around basically emotional attachment So basically he can do whatever he wants as long as he comes home at night Right you sleep and overnight can't be developing emotional attachments with his woman and why is she okay with that? Well, first of all, she's Ukrainian so she's dope as fuck. She's hot and she's old-school Second she knows what's important. She wants the babies what she's getting right there legitimately obviously her babies She's getting the wealth and the purport and support the provisioning and the protection and stuff And then he goes out and gets to be an alpha male and the drives her fucking nuts in the head Right, it drives a hamster through the roof It fucking literally she might jerks off to when he's out fucking other girls And then on top of that you get the dick So my life in the future it could be like that Um, I think most people would assume i'm gonna do that like hypnotic is something like that too He doesn't have kids but he has a wife and stuff like that and then he has I mean he runs like a fucking strip club, right? And Tate Tate obviously has a girlfriend for like like six years and a corporate Tate and she he's like I just do whatever I want. She knows that's what I'm gonna be Tate and keep doing him I don't know if I'll end up doing that or not like I'm kind of indifferent to it So I'll play to my values and I'll keep experimenting over time But I'd love to just build like a fucking huge family Kind of like Conor juice talked about like Conan style like a bunch of fucking kids run around shit And uh, I've even thought about you know, kind of like old school Mormon stuff like having multiple wives using private marriage Yeah, warren style Yeah, yeah, exactly I don't think I'm actually gonna do that But I'm back I'm seriously consider that though because I could definitely if I wanted to I think I could pull that off someday But is it worth the fucking hassle and all that shit? I think it's more fun on paper than it would be in real life Listen, I'll put it to you like this. Um, I've given my 10 commandments and we're gonna get to Robbie in just a second But my 10 side chick commandments one I've got plenty of those the number one Commandment is just don't get caught right if your value is high enough Your woman knows that you are probably getting strength on the side But as long as you don't throw it in her face, then she's gonna be okay with it It's plausible the majority what she doesn't see what she doesn't know can't hurt her and I'll use OJ Simpson The reason why Nicole Brown ended up going in fucking Marcus Allen is she knew that OJ was fucking other girls He's OJ fucking Simpson, but he kept rubbing it in her face. So she finally just said hey, you know what Devin You want to keep it down in there, please? But he kept he he gets a hell of an OJ quote finally she Exception she's like, you know what I'm gonna fuck the younger better OJ She fucked Marcus Allen and OJ allegedly chopped her head off But here are the four rules here before we get to Robbie if you're ever gonna have a side chick If you're ever gonna have that kind of arrangement just make sure that you don't get caught Don't catch any stds. Don't give stds to your girls. Don't stay overnight Don't fuck the side chick at your place and you don't get anybody pregnant as long as you prevent those few things from happening You should be good to go Robbie. What are your what are your thoughts on what anthony just said in terms of having sort of a I'm having sort of a harem Because again, that would be the ultimate dream, right? Okay. I turned to my player card I've got the wife and the kids but giving me permission to get strange. What are your thoughts on that? Well, that's why I've been ukraine Literally, I've uh, I've been here for about a year and a half and the reason why I came and moved out here Is I met the guy who was running all the uh, basically russian and ukrainian playboy trips He invited me on a trip for his birthday. It was like 120 girls 30 guys And then from there, I was coaching and basically I've been in the You know in the manosphere since I guess 2006 2007 and He was complaining to me. He's like, listen, I've got all these girls all ukrainian playboy models We're doing these trips and my buddies can't pay for it and we like I don't want to pay for the whole thing myself So I was like, dude, I've got a bunch of friends and clients another guys who would love this sort of exposure Who'd love to come on these trips? so we started we partnered up and we started doing these crazy trips with a bunch of playboy models was typically three to one ratio which I find is a right about the golden ratio and You know, it's just it's really Unfeminized women obviously from Eastern Europe and they they love the The competition these trips are insane. Like I can't even begin to tell you if you check out my instagram You can see a bunch of uh A bunch of photos. I'll put it in the chat um But since uh, basically since I've been living in ukraine, um it's been All social circle sort of seduction you could say and because the women are They're constantly seeing you with other women. They just get used to it and they're okay with it And they just assume that's just your That's the way you do things and uh, that's the That's the way you live your life and it turns them on they uh, I mean I've got a girl sitting across from me right now who could who could chime in and talk about it even um Do I have robbie do interviews and how to had nude women walking around in the background? I'm like, oh fuck Anyway Robby my headphones here Up there All right, yes, you hear me. Robby gets his uh, well, well Robby gets his webcam and everything situated. John Let me bring you in here. What are your thoughts on? What men do and we're gonna get to this question a little bit later Do men hit the wall? but what are your thoughts on having sort of the Having the best of both worlds doing the doing the war and jeff's the you know one wife, you know multiple wives multiple kids Etc. Etc. What are your thoughts on that? I don't know to be honest. I don't think it's quite the false dichotomy of just Stop chasing or settling down. You know, I think there's a lot of there's a lot of play that can be had in between you know, um, I mean when I was living in budapest I lived in budapest for about a year and a half and I was dating some girls and I date some more girls and then Before I know I was seeing 12 girls at a time and I thought this was like the pinnacle of living, you know, but then What was happening was that every night I was going out and then you know, you have a bottle of wine or you'd have a few drinks I was turning into an alcoholic. I was looking how good I was feeling like shit and I actually realized like the next High from that I was like what can be the next high from this and it was actually just to dump the girls For a while just because I couldn't handle it. I just didn't I just didn't want to have to go out of any girls So it's always like I went it's almost like I kind of went You know 180 on that and then then I started to look for something else Which is a bit more balanced and then I start to see a girl for a little while more of a committed thing And then that that didn't work out because I needed a little bit more of my freedom And then I start to go be a little bit more social again and see girls in a more sporadic way So for me, it's just I don't know. I kind of go through waves of of You know, maybe settling down for a bit and then going a bit wild and then maybe settling down again And that's the same with when I travel. I like to live in a city for about a year I love that and then I need to go and like blitz loads of cities at once and I come back and I live in a city again So for me, it's not a static state of either stopping stopping looking for girls or settling down I kind of go viral if you like I kind of come back to the same point And then I go out again and do do something a little bit more wild and I come back again So I don't see it as a black or white thing. I think there's a lot of fun that can be had in the middle You know, it's almost like it's cyclical, right? You like you go through stages Yeah, definitely man. I think that's true for a lot of things, you know, like not just women or dating but in Work and even fitness, you know, sometimes you go, do you know what? Look at those guys. They're pumping muscles I don't need to do that. You know, like I've done all that and then you might a year later You might be like back in the gym again like pumping iron and go, I can't believe those guys are not in the gym What are they doing? So I find that we tend to sort of spiral around, you know We go to kind of extremes and then we kind of like come back into balance again And it's cyclical. Yeah, cyclical. Yeah, excellent for me quick Let me ask you a question before we go back to Robbie because Robbie fixed his his mic problems here I say this all the time. Everybody wants to be fucking seven girls until they're actually seven girls, right? Like listen, we all you know, we're all dating coaches or whatever quote unquote And one of the most prevalent questions that I get on a regular basis is donovan I want to I want four or five nines and tens I can fuck at the same time Blah blah blah blah blah, but what people don't realize that's it's a full-time job Right, gotta stick dude You have to stick your dick and all of these chicks at least once a week Otherwise they're gonna ghost on you and find someone else who's gonna bang them out at at least once a week Talk about your experience with sleeping 12 girls at once. I'm sure it has it His highs and lows, but it's not all it's cracked up to be all the time No, because that's the thing like you like at one point. I'm thinking well I'm dating three girls. What's the next time it's like go out and like find some more girls And then I was like with more girls and I was like, okay, let's get some more girls And then at that point you think like the ultimate like high is just to like date infinite amount of women and sleep with infinite amount of women Tell you a fair amount of juice I mean, yeah, and then it just got to the point where I was dating all these girls and it actually felt like a chore It felt like it felt like going to work It felt like waking up and like sitting my alarm for six a.m And then you know getting up and doing like a nine to five and I was just like I gotta be this And I just I just want you know what you know, I'd really like to not see any girls And just have a time out and that was actually like the next high, you know, like I spiraled into that again So, I mean a lot of guys will look look at that and think why would you you know? That's that seems like the heaven like seeing all these girls But trust me man, it's like going out and having to like do all the game go out for drinks You know take them all out. It's just high maintenance. It is high maintenance. You know If I can vouch for john too, I've heard from some of my other speakers that know him and the sky Retease that Cooper's actually like on Retease's level, which is crazy Like Retease is the best guy I've ever seen with Dan like he's absolutely fucking nuts He's fucked like 800 women or something stupid at this point And I've heard that john Cooper's like this English version of Retease, but he's like so mellow But yeah, I don't I don't doubt this for a second Specifically though because of the comments I've heard with uh Retease and the guys I know that vouch for john too Well, again, it's you can always tell the guys who who are not who they say they are And the guys who really have experience listen, you're never going to hear me Anyone else say hey big and multiple girls. That's all bad. No, there are definitely there are definite advantages to this But but again, it's it all works in theory It all works on paper until you actually do it and you wake up on the lake You know what I'm dating four girls at the same time and this is great But god damn this is this this really isn't all peaches and cream robby. You've got your microphone All settled up. Did you if you want to jump back in and continue your thought? Yeah Yeah, um for sure. So the Basically my transition from being like a hunter going out and picking up chicks all the time To more of this social circle thing Was I found that you know, I could have a harem I could be you know dating five or six girls at a time But it was a lot of work as you guys are fully aware of just a little work And then depending on how you meet them you have to manage like do they find out about each other? There's all this work you have to do, you know, it's a full-time fucking job doing that And what I found is a better strategy is Basically what I do now is I've got a few girls that I see or if I have one girlfriend at the time What I'll do is I'll go on trips with my friends And we'll do these crazy trips We'll bring a few girls We'll bring a couple guys and a bunch of girls with us and it'll be for maybe a week And I'll have my fun I'll go out get crazy and then I'll come back and have more of a normal lifestyle And I found that really allows me to get all that crap out of my system While still having you know the kind of like wifey at home and As long as I'm doing maybe one trip every I don't know two months I find that to be a Pretty good mix Good excellent. Well said Steve what are your thoughts because Steve you've been married See Steve has experienced both both lives Never simultaneously as far as I know Steve used to be a gigolo, but now he is happily married 23 years. He's got 78 kids life is great So Steve, what are some of the parallels if you will between living life as a gigolo and living life as a family man Obviously, they're two very different lives, but there are some similarities and here's a better question Are there ever times you miss being a gigolo? No, I don't miss that. Um, man, no, uh, I don't miss that at all But you know when I was taught in the 80s and stuff, uh, you know and everything was in black and white Um We was never about pussy, you know, that was a there was a main thing that we were being taught as far as a game It was all about time. It was about my time and then she worthy of it You know, it was what a woman could do for me, you know women picking up women is an easy thing but making them do things that Uh, women do the guys was the fun challenge that we would do so It wasn't just about picking up the woman It was like having that one woman We had our cook woman our dinner woman the one that would cook dinner for us We wanted to call her up the one that would give us a massage The one that would cook us breakfast in the morning the football woman where I'd have my boys come over She would cook for all of them. Then I smash her at halftime So, you know, like in as far as a gigolo thing doing the gigolo thing after the orgies the threesomes Uh, fucking women while their husbands watched and all the other stuff I mean, you just get tired of it because the names change, but the bodies stay the same So, you know, I got tired of the holidays, you know They want you know, the ones that want to spend time with you on your birthday They cry about christmas. They want to spend time with you on Thanksgiving Valentine's Day and all the other stuff. So uh, what I decided on doing when I was uh, 27 because you know 27 28 I was ready to start a family. All right, because I'm so arrogant cocky and conceited I wanted to keep my not only keep my bloodline going but my legacy going so I I got out the game. I I you know, I well the reason I got out because some of these women, you know, they don't keep You know, their husbands started knocking on the door. Yeah, I mean, but um Yeah, but no, I I got out because I I wanted to start a family man. I wanted to Uh, push my bloodline and my legacy Beyond me. So after I did had all my fun. I mean I've been fucking since 13 So, you know, once I had all my fun. I mean I did just about everything. I wanted kids and uh, Do the you know, do the thing is uh, the bloodline man. That's all I did All right. Good stuff. Good stuff. Uh, john Is gonna have to leave us. He's got uh, I think he's got some other plans John listen, man. Uh, any last words for the audience before you skip that Yeah, and I'll just say to all the guys listening There's something really really powerful when you get a group of uh, you know, a room full of men together to support each other To basically listen to each other's stories accounts problems issues Um, you know, there's not enough of men's spaces basically and especially not enough that actually Let's say that I'm not hit with the soy boy stick You know, it's very rare to find nice masculine groups like this Where people can come and not be uh indoctrinated into sort of feminist ideology Which is what's happening to a lot of men's groups at the moment. So, um to all my followers to all the followers of red man group And 21 convention. Just come down come to Warsaw. Check me out I've got a lot I have to say about like advancing beyond the game paradigm And uh, you got a lot of cool speakers here a lot of cool dudes get to hang out of us And uh, yeah, I'm looking forward to uh, actually catching up with everyone. So, uh, thanks for having me on guys And um, I will be seeing you in Warsaw Jindobre comrades Yeah, man. Thanks john. All right, you know, it's john. I put his uh, facebook and his website in the chat I'll also make sure we put that uh in the comment section if you guys want to know where to get a hold of him All right, let's move here to uh, ddj ddj. Let me get your take on Because you have a my guess that you probably have a different take on this you have been As a as a virgin it lives in my mom's basement covered in keto dust Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I'm sorry. Go ahead. What does ddj think? I don't want to call it the pinnacle but after you've sown your wild oats after you've lived the player life what As far as ddj is concerned is living that good life Well, let me let me kind of say this too. So like, you know, I was a I was born in 1970 And so I know a little bit about what steve's talking about about, you know, that kind of that game in the 80s and that type of thing And it's interesting because one of the things that that I don't hear a lot about except for what steve says And this is something that I talk about all the time and that is is that time is a non renewable resource So the point is is that if she doesn't bring anything of value to the table Then then why are you spending time with her, right? And so that was my attitude before I ever Hooked up with either one of my two wives was like, look, you got to take care of me, right? You have to do what you have to do what I need for you to do or else I got no time for you because there's three others down the fucking road, right? And that's the reality. See that's the thing that people don't understand even in even in 2019 with feminism everywhere, right? Women have this women who are entitled women who are high maintenance You fucking ghost them and you move on with your fucking day. You got better things to do, right? It's like a car lot, right? Women walk on the car lot. They're looking to buy a car and you're gonna find out whether or not She's really down to fuck or she's just she's just playing for the foreplay game So, you know, again with the car lot analogy, do they have good credit? Are they able to buy the car? Are they willing to close the deal, right? Very good. If they're not willing to close the deal, I got shit to do And that's my attitude today and then don't get me wrong. Like I'm not like I'm not super fit or anything like that I'm not ugly, but I'm not super fit. But let me tell you something, you know Almost 50 years old I look around and like when I when I get a little bit horny where I need to get later whatever I look around and I can see somebody who's interested in me and go, okay I'm gonna go hit that and then I'll move on with my day But the point is is that you want low maintenance and you want to make her earn you If she's gonna sit there and she's gonna demand a bunch of shit from you all the time Ghoster time is a non-renewable resource and you are not getting any return on your investment So, you know and frankly this should be at any age I mean guys are talking about how how they're going out and they're getting late and and obviously it's some level The stuff that I do some of or or and have done as a young man Some of that's considered game. I guess but it's not I mean It's not something that I'd ever I come from a completely outsider perspective when it comes to pua Okay, but but the attitude that I've always had was that 80s 90s attitude You got to bring it to me and you got to show me what's up If i'm gonna spend any time with you because it's like that old rap song you thinking lobster. I'm thinking burger king You don't say it so that's real that's absolutely real and and so you know and again There's no question of anything else and it's like if you're not monogamous with this woman that she's talking about other women Well, you know what that's not her business That's nobody's business. That's that's your business years and them and and everything else, right? So so at the end of the day The thing is is it number one what men don't realize is this At any age if you are a man who is trying to improve yourself, you will never have to chase women Feminism has created a promiscuity culture For the last 40 years where pussy is a low hanging fruit And they all want it and it's not it's not a question of day game versus night game or going to the club or whatever I mean, I've never online dated, but I've never been in a position where I couldn't get late You find these women at the grocery store you find these women At happy hour you find these women wherever you're at and whatever you're doing And so that's what i'm saying is at the end of the day That's what you do because y'all tell you what you can close the deal right there and then you take her either your place Or her place in 15 minutes or closer off and and you're fucking as it should be And and the sad part about it is there's no magic pill for this if she's interested She's interested and that's the thing is that feminism has made these women more desperate You've made these women more aggressive So these women they know they have to when you're a man with healthy level at testosterone Like they know Let me give you an example. So like back in march. Was it march? I think it was march I was in denver And denver is a super liberal city. Okay It's like a liberal stronghold and whenever I would go out like i'm going to lunch or i'm going to dinner with my friends or whatever I saw groups of men. I saw groups of women I never saw groups of men and women Unless it was a work group or they were family. Oh, wow Okay Yet whenever I would look over at a woman in one of these groups I can catch her eye And I can hold it and I was like, okay. Yeah, if I needed to move on that I could right because again, she demonstrated interest and there were women with other men Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm a big fan of nwa Yeah, I was gonna say I just Listen, that's why I laughed Yeah, yeah, I cut my teeth on rap like like there's history about me that one day if I ever dox myself And I'll talk about people be like, holy shit. Yeah, so but that's my point, right? So so so, you know, but you you these women will show interest because when you go into places like Denver You go into these liberal strongholds. They're full of men with low T They're full of men who have the coiffed haircut and they've got the nice car and they've got the pressed jeans And you could just look at them and go. Yeah, that guy smoked a dozen cocks And those women see it. They're not interested in that. They're interested in a masculine male They're interested in hashtag raw dog lives matter. That's what they're interested in They want the bukkake choke slam. Okay. They want you to send them to the chiropractor They just don't want everybody knowing about it. So that's all I'm saying is is it is it, you know, don't ever chase women Women will know what's up because you know, like, uh, what robbie said robbie. Is that your name? Yeah, robert what robbie said and and what the other guy said he was here That guy was dating 12 women at the same time God damn that's like a 60 hour a week job. Fuck that. I got shit to do and I'll tell you what My ballsack could be so empty. I'd be lucky to get a wrecked after all that shit. Let's be real And I'm not trying to shoot up with Viagra. I don't need it right now, but I'm like, yeah, that's all bad Your sex is supposed to be enjoyable is not supposed to be a job if I need to go get some fucking workout I'll jump on the elliptical fuck Yeah, I know John's experience too. That's exactly what you relate like I believe it even like three four girls at a time like I'll see it's just like it's a lot It is never mind six or fucking 12 whole Well, yeah, and I guess what I'm trying to say in closing is is that is it when it comes to women I don't care what age you are you if you are on your like like you're taking care of yourself You have healthy levels of testosterone It doesn't matter if you're catching the bus or if you you know, you're rocking a Bugatti It doesn't matter what matters is is that these women will see it and they will be interested With you and to spend time with you and so, you know, and that's the thing is like for myself I'm never going to live with a woman again. Just because I've already done the marriage and divorce thing twice I've done the long-term relationship I was with a woman for 21 years and I was with another one for four. I have four children two from each one I totally understand what that life looks like But on the same token, you know, I and everybody had like I think somebody said at one point They call it like the red pill journey. Yeah, I was blue pill at one point when I had that gyno-centric blind spot I was red pill and everything else except for my wives I had that gyno-centric blind spot once I recovered from that I kind of understood it and then it was just took me a little bit a while to to learn to articulate these types of things to others So it's like nobody's perfect like nobody was born alpha Nobody is I don't care what they tell you everybody has to learn at some point So when it comes to chasing these women, you know, let the women Be the car lot, right Cherry picked the women who show interest cherry picked the women who were willing to close the deal And ignore the rest of them because these women will know if you're getting laid guys who who Basically don't have an empty ball sack and guys that are really hard up to get laid women see that shit a mile away And they avoid it like the plague All right guys, we're gonna open up the phone lines here in just a few minutes nine one four two five five three five six That's the number to call if you're outside of the u.s. It is zero zero one nine one four two five five three five six Let's go to the next question here. I'm gonna open up the phone lines here shortly Here is the million dollar question Do men hit the wall? We know that females hit the wall right around 30 years old Their sexual their sexual value or a woman's peak fertile years burns hotter And brighter than a man's peak sexual attracted sexual attractedness But ours lasts a lot longer We as men we're able to we are the most sexually attractive I would say from age 30 all the way up until age 50 So that's a good 20 and dude depending on your genes and habits might even be 55 at that point Listen, there are men who are in their 50s who regularly fuck girls in their 20s and 30s So my question to you is is do men ever hit the wall? We see guys like Hugh Hefner who was fucking young young hot tight blonde until the day died But you know, he was the he was the playboy guy, right? So I think i'm gonna start with you. Is there a wall for men? And if so, when does it happen? My first thought is that men the core issue that you're grappling with in the question my opinion is that Well, the my response here is that Men have a much greater degree of control over hitting the wall At some point or basically ever like Hugh Hefner is an extreme example, right? Like an outlier But he's an example of like did he ever really hit the wall? Yeah, he got old and wrinkly and his balls were dropping or you know, so whatever the fuck right slagging around He still was bang and hotter girls and like probably anybody here, right? Or at least as hot. I mean he's fucking you after though, right? And he's not the only one look at I mean Trump I mean how many times it's how many fucking porn stars and strippers and x y I mean this guy's just been fucking killing He's like in his 70s now. He's grandpa, right? So I think that's what I think that's really what the core issue that men and women are different than his wife Yeah, exactly. It's 20 say at 23 some right? Yeah, one of his wife one of his wife the latest one, right? But I really think that that's the core issue is that men and women are different So what does that mean instance? I mean women have a very limited degree of control They do have some but they have a limited degree of control And this has been discussed in the rep hope community and even the pick of arts community I think a few points Women have a limited degree of control very limited over their their ability to hit the wall some of that's genetic Some of that's lifestyle choices and habits some of that's kind of chance All kinds of different things they can do right they can eat well they can work out they can get plastic surgery Men, uh, they'll have a much greater degree of control over this Plastic surgery is something that's actually that's not an example about like men can't really do anything and they shouldn't do anything It's fucking weird usually Maybe a few things that can do but this is stupid But eating well well when you age too you're becoming more masculine. That's kind of the core issue or two Women are most feminine when they're most fertile and they're most beautiful and the like the youth, right? We go after that there's there's fucking reasons for that with men though You know your sperm is pretty viable for a long long time Especially if you take care of yourself all kinds of like, you know, uh, very fundamental stuff to your biology And yeah, as you age you gain wisdom you gain experience You gain bad assery you get your heart broken that makes you tougher more masculine You go through a bit shit in your business you go through shit in life You see friends die you see family die These things make you harder and tougher and more masculine in ways that women appreciate women That literally you've mixed in the rest Whether that's in the moment heat of the moment or kind of more like attraction cues or a real relationship or something like that So I think it's a core issue what the what really the question is asking It's not like Do men hit the wall but not it's it's what degree of control do men and women each have their own over their own? You know face-smashing into the wall and with men you can delay it or really For a lot of the impact for a long time. Yeah, you don't you don't have the wall Let me let me tack on to what you said there, anthony Because I think you have to talk about Maybe like two walls because for the first you've got this You know if you look at Hugh Hefner and what happened with him as he got older He's still fucked a bunch of hot girls, but his wives cheated on him Basically, or they didn't have that love connection that he may have had at an earlier age Right, they saw him more as a sponsor or they saw him more as a provider So I think you know up until maybe 55 or whatever you can You can be in the game and you can fuck young hot chicks until the day you die But you might not get that love and the affection that you want from those younger chicks Because you're just too fucking old Yeah, if I can add on here too if you mentioned like, you know I heard like walls like plural if you look at women 30 wall is the most infamous, right? It's like ha ha she's about to hit 30 Snowing under 20s And then behind that you have like the 35 wall It's kind of like a more minor wall that women can hit where the wrinkles start to set in more And shit like that that's also advanced in turn to the age 35 and like, you know modern medicine But I think if you really iron it down to the two most important walls It's a 30 wall I think where they're now been along during the 20s hot and young At least in terms of like a baseline like what how old are you what number age are you on this fucking planet? But the real second wall is not the 35 or 40 wall. It's not even a number It's menopause When women lose the ability to be fertile and really they lose the ability to reproduce at that point men don't That I guess that's the core issue too is that men as long as you're even remotely fucking healthy Your sperm are still alive and kicking around to some degree You never lose the ability to reproduce until you die Women hit the 30 wall, which is the thing that hits their you know effects or sexual marketplace value The second wall those when they they're their ability to reproduce is gone Uh, and they try to now offset this right they get like their eggs frozen all this bullshit And you know, whatever the fact that yeah, that doesn't change their own sexual value They're just playing games with nature at that point The reality is their ability once they menopause and their their eggs are fucking done They're gone or you know, everything's fucking toast. That's it man. That's that's the true wall for them And from that point forward they are no longer Uh, I mean that's that's such a fundamental life change independent of how well they handle it They can't stop it at least for now with modern medicine no matter what they do in technology That wall is absolutely undefeated. Yes. Yeah, whereas men we don't have that There is no hard wall except death. Listen, I'll put it to you this way You actually make a very good point. I think one of the main reasons why Women and we'll get the Steve here just a second I think the reason why men why women smash into the wall whereas men We just kind of gradually lean against it every once in a while Men the only man that I know of the only celebrity that I know that hit the wall Hard with Dan Michael Benson and that's because he partied hard and did drugs But you look at guys like Tom Cruise Brad Pitt Johnny Depp George Clooney These guys we can see that they age but they age gracefully Here's the point is that when a human being loses the ability to reproduce all of a sudden their body tells them Okay, we don't need to reproduce anymore. So there's no need in putting out the reproduction Markers the reproduction transponder with girls. It's ample tits the flushed, you know the flushed, uh, you know the flushed skin Um ample bosom the pheromones. Well, man, we never really lose the ability to reproduce This is why this is why as we get older We still have testosterone running through our veins when women hit men when women hit menopause There's very little estrogen. They start to grow facial air. It's almost like they Not anatomically, but it's almost like they chemically start to turn into men So much so that there are now shots that women can get out there that after they hit menopause will still Will still help them to look and sound and smell and feel feminine So listen, if anybody's dating a woman of an advanced age, you might want to think about that But I think that one of the main reasons why women hit the wall so much harder than men hit the wall Is because the the very ability to reproduce keeps you young by nature. Uh, Steve, what are your thoughts on this? Yeah, I was about to say a one took all my damn thunder and shit, but um But he's absolutely right the thing is is that you don't hit the wall until death. That's the truth as a man Um, you got to remember as men we will age But our mindset in a way we think doesn't see the thing like Again a one was talking that yak But the same thing with the women is that when they hit 30 They start to make that trend send down the crow's feet Metabolism the eggs start to dry up all the shit they used to use to dangle Goes away, but for us. Yeah, we look we're all gonna get old I mean, that's the truth. We're all gonna get old But as a man getting old has nothing to do with this It's be how wise you are because like, you know white chocolate's in the george bruno white chocolate's in the uh He's case in point He's smooth with another side of pillow. He could he could be 90 years old and still smash women In order to sock. He's uh a beer or whatever, you know, I mean But i'm just saying that that's how the game goes man I want these guys to know that we are going to get older You are but don't look at a wall Don't look at that only in death is when you hit that wall as long as they can take they look you get wrinkles They can take everything away from you but one thing them bitches in the world can't take is your mindset, man Yeah, speaking of mindset, you know, the real question is when does when did genghis khan hit the wall? The dude genghis khan never hit the wall dude that fucking when he was dying he was having a heart attack I think there's like a study out there and i'm not into studies But apparently it's like eight percent of the of the entire chinese population has genghis khan's dna That's a lot of fucking people dude like genghis khan was the uh, he was the original og Shout out to hokey bukisa with the ten dollar super chat says i don't think men have a wall I think men have a mountain to climb This mountain has no summit and you can climb it until your health declines too much That's a very good point ddj What say you I'm gonna disagree I think I think that men do have a wall But I think that wall is based on their lifestyle choices And so i'm gonna kind of dovetail off of what anthony said and that is this If you exercise if you work out and you treat your body healthfully Then then I agree with everybody when it comes to this idea of having no wall because the idea is is it you know Again, you look at tom cruise. You look at brad pit. There was a There was a bodybuilder in india and the guy actually had great quality of life until he was 105 years old And he was still walking around under his own power doing his own thing And he didn't have any major medical conditions But I think that men who don't take care of themselves They do hit the wall and you see this and that like, you know, they don't do yoga They don't stretch out then they end up having lower back problems Um, you know, they don't exercise and then they try to do things and and they they go beyond What they should be doing they and they you know, they break bones and they they hurt their knees and things like that or They don't have a heart attacks early because they they don't take care of themselves either They smoke too much or they drink too much or they do drugs or they do things like that So when it comes to a man's lifestyle choices That will cause a man to hit the wall But men who make healthy lifestyle choices Men who really focus on taking care of themselves and bettering themselves even at advanced ages Those men don't hit the wall and you see like a lot of people don't realize but you know strength training That's an old man's sport. I mean, I remember living in washington state We would get these guys where like three thugs would come and try to carjack This old guy and this old guy he would beat the piss out of all three of them And he's like 60 70 years old I mean you get to a point where it's like you realize that guy's not hitting the wall because he's taking care of himself Plus he's got all that extra wisdom to take care of himself So yeah, and I think like what anthony says, you know, a lot of these older guys, you know, george bruno case in point Takes care of himself. He's smarter. He's been through a few things in life Steve the dean williams same thing been through a lot of things in his life And and now the steel is sharper because of it But if you don't take care of yourself If you are living unhealthy lifestyles if you're eating a lot of processed foods And you're not you're not exercising and you're not stretching That's a problem. So yeah, I think that I think that when it comes to that I think a man's personal decisions absolutely Can cause him to hit the wall but other than that then I agree with everybody else Yeah, george bruno and to his brother tony bruno both I was actually at tony bruno's house recently last weekend at the beach made my director went out there to check it out I went to hit the beach and stuff He has an amazing bachelor pad, but more important than that. He's like this He's a bit younger than george bruno bruno is like 59 tony's like 56 or something But both of them are killing it like george bruno just posted a uh A picture and as you know, he's getting back into strength training now and stuff on his instagram You're for 59. He's fucking killing it like fucking like jacks like There's plenty of girls like gawking over this guy, you know Daddy issues or not like they're loving it the same thing with his brother and his brother at 56 now I think he's actually looking at his first kid now That's a much that's a late age to start that but he's at a point in his life where he's like seriously considering that Has been for a while and he's set up to do it On top of the bet the cool-ass bachelor plat and all this stuff and the life he's built and the body he's maintained too Hem and his brother are both in excellent shape. They take care of themselves and they have for a long time And that's paying that's paying not just dividend. That's paying like compound interest It's stacking over time. I think is what you're seeing. That's kind of what I think he's talking about or two We take care of yourself over time that stacks on top of the experience as a man that you gain The wisdom the masculinity paying the trauma the success the triumph All that stuff accumulates over time And then if you're not dead or dying and you keep your shit together it works out really well or it can if you want it to I think you step away briefly Oh, yeah, that's whatever. We'll keep cutting Hey once on d1 Yeah, yeah, we can hop the phone calls in here in a bit too. Yeah Yeah, the phone lines are open guys if y'all want to call in the number to call in guys Get y'all crowns out and write this down the number call in is 914205 5356 if you're outside the u.s. Just dial double zero one and dial 914205 5356 the lines are open gentlemen Fuck yeah Hey, Robby, let's hop to you for a second till while Donovan's gone What do you plan and talk about at the polling convention? I've been seeing a while man Yeah, man. It's been it's been a few years. Um, I'm still trying to kind of find a Good topic, but I I think it's going to be something around this topic actually around hitting the wall what to do come 37 and All of my friends that are you know blue pill guys. They're all married with kids And there's part of me that's like I see that and I'm like, oh fuck it'd be nice to have some kids or it'd be nice to You know have that life because I've been living such a fast lifestyle the last You know six or seven years, especially last year I was just basically partying non-stop and I think I fucked I counted 67 girls last year. There you go. Yeah, it was uh It was it was aggressive, um, but it was it was a lot of partying and just a lot of nonsense And I didn't get a lot of work done. So it wasn't a sustainable lifestyle for sure I love it Robert Kramer's taking care of the environment. He's in sustainability now. Yeah So, yeah, I mean I've been kind of playing around with the question Um, you know, how old do I want to be when I have my first kid because you know I want to be able to play ball with him and and kind of be that dad that my dad was for me Playing sports and doing awesome shit like that at the same time I don't think I could ever go to that lifestyle Where I'm just totally monogamous and you know with one girl who eventually gets old and gray and It's basically put my balls in a jar. That's so that's not really an option either Jesus, I'm just saying this is great 90505 5356 that is the number to call if you want to get on to the conversation Robbie brings up an interesting point passing on your legacy now Each of you now Robbie, you don't have any kids yet. Oh, he's got kids Bdj has kids Here's the thing. Anthony does not have children, but he wants them one day I don't want kids. I don't think I ever have and I don't know if that's just maybe I'm just weird But I have never I've never felt the desire a strong desire To pass on my genes of my legacy Maybe one of those reasons is because I have two of I have two brothers and two sisters, right And I've got three. I've got three nieces and two nephews so The sharp family name is going to be passed on one way or the other I don't know if that that has anything to do with it, but Anthony, what are your thoughts On men who don't want kids and more importantly Why do you feel such a strong desire to pass on your genes pass on your legacy? Yeah, that's a great question man. That's some deep ass shit. I tried I've given some thought not a lot to Men and women both well, it's separate too. I think men not wanting to have children and a legacy is different from women I could be wrong, but I don't think I am on that and I think there's different There's different motivations that are going to drive. There's different while Every human being's in as an individual personality and stuff like that But I think there's fundamental differences between men and women obviously in particular with this question With the men I do find it kind of strange To just to put it to very bluntly and very simply to not want to pass on your legacy as a living breathing organism Who you know, obviously someone did it for you Does that mean you should be guilt-tripped though into having children if you don't want to absolutely not all the time, dude Not even when am I gonna have grandbabies? I'm like mom. I'm almost 50 Yeah, yeah, I mean hey sock had his first kid at 49. Yeah, right, you know recently She's beautiful a baby girl is a crazy matter. Yeah So I think it's it's kind of odd to see in a organ of a living breathing, you know Organism a human being walk around and not want to reproduce Like deliberately it's strange and I think it's going to be pretty probably pretty unique to human beings But I also firmly believe that no one should have kids if they don't want to have kids That's a hell no it's very much like desire We talk about genuine desire a natural desire between men and women Right it first of all the best sex you life is Is going to be with a girl who fucking wants it and wants it really really really bad And you want it really bad too And you both just fucking go at it and you fight to the you fight to the bitter end If I do it's going to fucking pound it right right into into oblivion and submission and have all this fun hate fuck yeah Hate fucking or not or whatever the whatever the case is there's different, you know variations of this But it's the same thing. It's very similar when it's actually producing Yeah, it's one theme of several but with kids I don't believe I'm firmly believe that no one should have kids if they don't want to But I do think also that some men, you know Socrates he grappled with this question for a long time He's talked about it in several speeches at the convention And in the end he thanked me he thanked me in the 21 convention specifically which was kind of a mind fuck For the existence of his child and he's like very specific about this and That real raw as fuck with it. I don't know which which was never And you know, of course, this is never a goal of mine. I was like, oh, I'm gonna ha ha ha I'm gonna manipulate Socrates and having a baby like I didn't fucking tell him to do this He just went home boy. Yeah, I just I guess it's being around me and big around the convention and the the different The different events and the different, you know relationships and friendships and brotherhood he's built it eventually motivated into fucking do it Right as far as me personally So my thoughts with that are still developing with men with women though. I think it's very odd I think motherhood is Can be very central to men first of all, I think it's a super high expression of masculinity But motherhood is also I think even even more integral to a woman To a girl becoming a woman and to expressing her her femininity every time I think it's a great tragedy of women don't go on to have kids assuming that she's genetically normal She doesn't have some birth defect that she doesn't want to pass on which hey, that's totally legit If you're born with something you don't want to pass on and you think it's very real and scientifically Sound then don't do it. If you that's what you want to do But for yeah, women I think it's even it's in this so that's that's what feminism promotes too, though They attack traditional motherhood. They they attack almost any motherhood outside of single motherhood They attack women, you know being housewives being Basically embracing motherhood just like tana guzzi's wife tana guzzi's wife for instagram says making babies and cookies I think which is like the best instagram bio ever for a trick in my opinion Right, but there's there's so right So I think it's even weirder for women, though And it's a very specific outcome of feminism affecting women in a very toxic way It's fucking retarded and what happens is all these women eventually they figure this out It's like fucking 39 and they're like, oh, I never have babies. Oh fuck. I was fucking around on tinder for the past 17 years I'm heartbroken 87 times like yeah well choices are consequence bitch And now you're about to hit the 40 wall and you don't have any kids and now you're feeling like a You have a barren womb and your cats are nipping at your toes ready to eat you if you fucking die of alcohol poisoning Like this is not cool But men but men have a much longer window too. That's why your choice to not want to have kids now Then maybe you'll keep the rest of your life Dude, the the consequences of that are much more fluid You might change your mind like socrates did, you know, 11 years from now or nine years from now or whatever the fuck At the end of the day, too, it's your life as a man. You're much more As a man, it's much more important for you. It's vastly more important to be in command of your own life And I don't think women want to be in command of their lives They want a man to follow and to lead them and that's part of what I think motherhood does for them Um, as far as wanting kids myself. I mean, holy fuck. I don't want to keep rambling here indefinitely That's a huge question too though in itself that I'm still working on. I'm trying to understand as best I can I would say My my most I think I mentioned briefly before on the red man group, but my most fundamental position on it Very personal on this is extremely personal I had a large family growing up. I grew up in a large family There would have been five of us but my mom had a miscarriage later in life So it was four of us myself and older sister. You guys have met at the convention a couple times A brother who's been to the convention once and a younger sister too is pregnant now Actually the first child out of four of us She's doing a few months in september now Um, but we had this large family growing up and we had like a skeleton Of like a very positive strong nuclear family very similar to what tanner's doing But it was extremely violent toxic chaotic and just insane absolute fucking bad shit crazy Kind of like growing up in the ghetto but with a lot of money as well And volatility it was just just insanity So it was the appearance of like a healthy nuclear family the skeleton framework of it But the total absence Of empathy and love and connection and positivity and stuff. There was still some positive things and it wasn't all negative That's bullshit, right? But it was definitely bottom 20 of the population and most people That you hear about having bad families. It's it's rare I do meet people that have gone through some similar circumstances or worse But for the most part most people think they went through a bad experience growing up. It's like total bullshit Um, they're they're they're understanding of a fight or an argument or you know bad vibes and a family is like it's just like It's not we're near as bad as I think it is and they don't have their perspective on it I grew up dodging knives scissors fists Uh, I saw my dad shoot up four raccoons once at two in the morning a bunch of cops came out I mean all kinds of crit insane shit grown up. Jesus Christ My mom's a you know not a my mom's an enabler for this too, right? She had uh, she continued to have children with this fucking crazy asshole And at this point in my life I'm starting to hold her accountable Long story short though. I saw I what I think tanner I think what tanner guzzies doing the hunter's doing is fucking amazing Like because a matter of proud patriarchs are strong leaders of the family the technical bullshit And they leave their family and they build their family tanner's still going and I think hunter's gonna eventually have more kids too I so I says my suspicion Me and socrates are hatching a plan to make this happen But I did see something very positive as my point is here with this Even though it's a very bad personal experience My gut instinct is that the opposite is true that that framework was a signal that there's something very positive to this And it's worth pursuing where that's like robbie said playing ball with your kid or building a much larger family like tanner's doing Or anything in between that I like what steve's done too. He has a bunch of kids too These kids these children have uh influence his life in a super positive way And he's been able to do that for them too as a leader of his family and all that and being the man man fucking mindset So I see something extremely positive with it. I think that uh Building a family or or reproducing period having children is quite literally how the human race continues Right, and it's a life affirming positive choice that most men I think should make Uh, if they want to you know Look into it and make that decision for themselves And I think that's what they should do and they should not do it otherwise Like I said too, you should never fucking have kids if through some guilt trip bullshit from your parents or anybody And around All right, steve. Uh, what you got on this brother? Yeah, um, I want to say like and again donovan, uh, you know as a man You don't want to have kids as a man. I can only respect that because You're coming from a view from a man's perspective. You know what I mean, right? And the thing is that with with frustrations mean Uh for a lot of people out there because again, I'm a 70s baby. Just like dj. He's a I'm 1971 I'm a 70s baby 77 right here, brother Your your back then see before the internet it was your name man your name Man everything to you. Your name was your calling card Your name is what you stood on your name is how you approach women Your name is how you check women when they got out the fucking uh got sidebar with you It was your name that they looked at was your name that they feared it was your name that they praised It was your name that they went after um But what happened was I really feel like the internet itself has done a lot of damage to a lot of these kids because There are a lot of false prophets out there that even tell you Not to even mess with single mothers because he had a fucking bad situation With with with uh with some kids and shit, you know, you got people out there Now look If you don't want to have kids like a one said don't have kids If you don't want to have a legacy don't have one But what pisses me off is when these young boys Who don't even know themselves? Follow these motherfuckers who don't know shit about themselves Then they scare these young boys and they're saying you know what no You don't don't get married and don't have kids is a terrible thing and these young boys are Poisoned without even learning that you know what if you're and again, I'm not trying to scare nobody But your great great grandfather thought like you you your ass wouldn't even be here But the reason he the reason you are here is because he wanted his name to go on through his Father and your father, you know on and on and on and like a once said you don't have to get uh Have kids if you want if you are adamant about that be adamant about that But do it like you doing it donovan you're a motherfucking man As a man you know who you are you know where you stand and you know what life is about a lot of these young boys Don't know what life is about. They don't know manhood. They don't know goddamn themselves, right? So then they go on youtube and follow some asshole Who was never a fucking man in the first place? He fucking peed sitting down. No goddamn No fucking balls telling these motherfucking kids don't have kids Right, you're doing it. That's that's where my problem is the disservice allow these young boys to grow Allow these young boys to turn to the young men to men and then like you donovan make the decision You know what? I don't want kids because I don't want to have kids. Fuck that I I don't want you and I can respect that but when you say well, I don't want to have kids because neither Right because such as such said on a youtube show that if I have a kid then the court system's gonna do this and the government Man, fuck all that stupid ass shit. That's the kind of shit that back in our day. You get your ass kicked over that little The internet has done a lot of damage and all I'm saying is this I'll get off my soapbox If you don't you don't want to have kids don't have them But what I'm saying is before you make that decision Know what it means to be a man first when you know what it means to be a man Then you can make the proper decisions was best for you But once you know your name like say donovan, you know what your name is about Right, you know and age anthony knows what his name everybody on his fucking panel knows what their name is But the majority of the guys listen to us have no idea the meaning of their last name So they're blindly following people who are trying to tell them Oh don't have kids and and that that shit pisses me the fuck off But I mean I'm just saying but that's shut the fuck up. Y'all got I like it. I like it. That's uh, that's very good Ddj. What are your thoughts? You've got four kids What are your thoughts on men who decide not to have children? You know what I I actually promote that and and I guess I'm one of them people that steve the dean Williams is talking about and and and let me explain why though. So like unlike many men Um, I didn't just get butt hurt and decide. Oh, no man should have kids. That's that's not where I'm coming from I I am one example of many But The thing that I would say is this I think that Well, there are many things I say on my channel But one of the things I say is this the relationship is over when the investment is gone. It's not when she leaves Okay, so with that in mind, I think that men who don't want to have children No, they shouldn't but I don't think that that men need to make that decision. I agree with steve About boys and there are a lot of boys Out there who cosplay as men and we have a lot of false prophets in the man's sphere Okay, we have a lot of them and we have a lot of these guys who they cosplay red pill And they're not They're not at all and and so you see them. They're they're they're these cuck dudes They're you know, they're paying for pussy because you know, if they didn't have cash strapped around their neck They couldn't get the time of day and some of these guys are super fit Some of these guys have you know, they they not only have a lot of money They're super successful, but they're blue-pilled as fuck And so when it comes to those types of things, you know that for me is an issue now I would say this that if you don't want to have children you need to pay attention to your sperm Women lie about birth control and so while you're out there hunting you need to understand something 40 percent of women in the western society are lying about birth control They're either not taking their pills all the time or or their whore plant has gone out of date Or you know, they say they're on an iud, but they don't have one because what's happened is it is that they've got that Baby rabies going but I agree with steve completely in saying look You need to grow the fuck up. I mean look I you know, I I'm a man going my own way That's my own choice But it's not a choice that I think every man should do in all circumstances And it's also something that bothers me where I see these children who are under 18 These these these young boys who are acting like tweens who are like i'm migtail for life and it's like nah You don't even know what life is your balls barely dropped Christ How are you going to be able to make a decision when you're not even old enough to vote let alone legally buy alcohol come on now I can Tag on here to both ddj and steve like when I say I want to build a big family and build these things I'm doing that with my eyes wide open at how incredibly unprecedented dangerous that is In new ways, right? It's always been for the right human history. It's been difficult or dangerous most of the time If not all the time to have children to raise a family whether it's the fucking dark ages or world war two or whatever Anything in between or before that But right now we're facing we're facing new challenges right now I agree that are very serious and the family court system and child custody and divorce and feminism all the shit And so when I say these things I'm doing that with full awareness about fucking dangerous That is I mean I literally married a fucking almost not legally But I literally had a wedding with a prostitute in vegas like that's how fucking much I fucked this up But survived and I survived because I listened to the man's fair to a large extent I listened to the men's rights activists and I avoided for example In that instance getting legally married because I knew a fucking crazy It was as a legal contract in a business arrangement. I was like this is fucking dumb beyond dumb Why the fuck would I do this? Is this is good for anybody? And if she wants that if she forces it She's a piece of shit anyway, right? Something we didn't do that and then I And let me and let me state the opposite as well Like I wanted children at a young age And so I had kids at a young age and and while all my decisions while I was blue pill At least had that gynocentric blind spot. They weren't necessarily the best decisions as related to man's fear wisdom. However You know, I did win custody both times. They were hell of a fight You know both both occasions But the thing is is that you know men have to learn Red pill wisdom and there's no like one better tribe within the man's fear or one worse tribe in the man's fear it's a question of You know, how do you mitigate the negative possibilities and how do you fight that now part of it is your frame It's it's not only how you maintain your frame But it's how you regain your frame because every woman if she's with a man long enough She will cause that man to come out of his frame And so you have to be able to regain that frame in a credible way And you know, we all get caught slipping. I don't care what anybody says. We've all been caught slipping once or twice Of course, so right So it's it's about regaining that frame and it's about knowing your value And I think that when when when she understands that you know your value You're more likely to have a successful relationship. However, if you know if life happens And you need her support and you become vulnerable That's when your relationship becomes vulnerable And so that's when you need to start thinking about the court system You need to start thinking about false me to style allegations or You know domestic violence allegations and domestic violence orders and things like that all those things they're real They're not they're not excuses. They're real But the other side of it is though if you're a blue pill cuck and you're three steps back and one to the left of your woman It's not if she's going to file a dv order against you or if she's going to try to silver bullet you in the divorce It's when So, you know, you're you're you're on borrowed time at that point And so, you know having healthy masculinity and being able to To you know maintain that relationship In a masculine way is extremely important But I can tell you that at least in my set of circumstances You know my my second wife who I made wait three years after she proposed to me I mean we dated for five years She was you know part of the young republicans party. She was an officer. She was trad con. She was all the things When we when we got on our wedding day. She was all those things right when we divorced She was a card carrying in feminist and democrat So people change and you have to understand that's why I say, you know, not all the time are things permanent But you you if you want children Then you need to figure out ways as a man to do it in such a way that you can mitigate The risks and if you don't want children, well, that's up to you too again It's like red pill. Like I said the last time I was on red pill is is a knowledge and an education What each man chooses to do with it is his own choice But don't run around in cosplay Being red pill online when you can't live that way in real life Because the reality is that makes you know better than a dishonest feminist Oh very well said Yeah, I think the the big thing to to really watch out for is there's this kind of like toxic idea out there that You know, once you have kids once you get married for men, it's like, all right Well, I'm done, you know had my had my kid and then they kind of just let themselves go a lot of these guys And they become, you know, they basically cut themselves and eventually either their wife cheats on them Or they just end up fat gross totally out of the game So if you're gonna have kids just remember like, you know, you still have to keep yourself up and maintain that You know the mindset Because otherwise that you're just gonna end up in a really shitty situation, which is what I see with most of the guys out there All the guys I know from college Uh, they just totally cut themselves and they they don't even see it coming Yeah, that's a really good point. You you're your own worst enemy and then that's not only bad for you It's obviously bad for the your relationship. The chick's gonna hate it and then it's a super bad example for your children So it's like shitty like start to finish Yeah Can you guys hear me? Yeah, nobody wins in that situation when when dad lets himself go and you know, it's interesting You guys have given me some things to think about. No, I'm not gonna have kids But I think the reason why I've decided not to have children is not because I don't want children It's just because of the current environment It and it's just to me. It's just not worth it. And I think another thing Another big factor as far as that's concerned is I'm a selfish guy. I like the life that I live I like not I like the idea of being able to go to bed when I want to and wake up when I want to I like the idea of not having to think about a child Anytime I make a decision I like the idea that I can get up and travel anytime I want and make that unilateral decision A lot of people say that listen Having children is definitely worth it. Um, but I don't know maybe I'm just cut from a different cloth and who knows man Listen, man. I'm still a relatively young guy. I'll be 42 next month Socrates changed his mind at 49. Maybe I'll change mine. I don't know Well, the reason he changes mine is he kept hanging out with the dream So keep speaking keep speaking to out of and you're gonna end up like socrates, man You sock these and be like apple babies and shit. Oh Definitely can't I don't know why just spread the love man. I can't help it You know, I was doing a different spread that I love spread the seed guys the phone lines are still open We're gonna round third and head for home and and wrap this puppy up Um, I forget which one of you said uh, talked about your mother Um, it might was it were you robbie somebody talked about that's fine with me Oh, was you it was you anthony Yeah, maybe someone else but I did it briefly mine. Yeah, okay I'll actually start this question off with you In terms of red pill awareness How difficult is it for men to Understand that red pill truth applies to the women that they love their mother sisters. They're odds. They're their grandmothers, etc Yep Yeah, I'm sure it can be difficult. I think that's what you just the specifics of the question just asks um I mean, I'll tell you right now It's taken till 30 years old to really hold my mother accountable in a red pill right and a type of thing and My grandmother's as well, but that was much less difficult I knew both my grandmother was a special men maternal grandmother who was really like a primary caregiver to me and my older sister growing up She was actually I'd say the reason that my older sister and I live in Orlando or living productive adult lives And my younger siblings are not Drugs alcohol prison time all kinds of really bad shit Um, so yeah, I would say it took a long ass time It really took those 30 years old to really start wrapping my head around like What the real mechanics of her decisions decisions were and responsibility accountability over a lifetime And these are these are like very deep issues in my head that and I think most men will be like that If you had our relationship with your mother growing up over your whole lifetime, she was part of your life and not out of it Uh, it's it's one of the final straws and taking the red pill It's one of the final I think decisions or our rabbit holes. You have to go down And so one of the issues one of the things you can look at too is it's not talked about is women have rampant daddy issues today But I think with the feminism and the blue pill that a lot of men have mommy issues This is like real shit and this is not get talked about in the man's sphere enough because it's very embarrassing It's very it's well, it's not just embarrassing It's a very sensitive or delicate issue a nuance and complex And it's not easy to introspect and just navigate through it like oh, haha Just look at with the girl once you take the red pill You've had some experience and sabotage that you've seen You know applying the red pill and viewing female behavior in specific situations gets easier and easier over time But a relationship that runs much deeper with with your female parent. I mean fuck That's as deep as it gets your that your dna is half that woman like you are you know half of who you are comes from that woman So it's difficult to hold them accountable. It's difficult to view their decisions objectively With as little bias as possible But the more you can do that and the more it can heal from those issues and the more you can live a better or masculine life I think there's a saying that I've seen somewhere maybe steve I feel like steve the dean can comment on this but It's like a man separating from his mother and you know not taking her orders anymore Anything like that is like the final straw becoming one of the final straws in becoming a man Is taking complete ownership of your life and complete command of it Both, you know with relation to both parents, but particularly with the mother who I think Mothers are gonna have much more I mean it's like women have soft power men have hard power and you see that expressed in in parent relationships For have for good health or bad healthy or bad, you know low health relationships, too But women mothers exercise soft power control over their children for better and for worse and fathers exercise hard power usually Right, so I think it's I think that's another reason why it's a very difficult It's a very touchy subject in the manuscript a touch of mommy issues But I can guarantee you like the majority of dudes in the red pill for example Just in the red pill never mind other shit have real mommy issues that go and resolve for decades It's cp dsd. It's trauma. It's uh unresolved kind of issues in your mind Experiences not holding people accountable Like people say you should forgive your parents for anything and everything And I think you should have immense leeway with blood family ties 100% But that you know those ties are not indefinite and they do have limits Some obvious examples are like rape and molestation incest murder or shit like that But it's not just these super obvious things. It's other things, too It's extreme violence. It's you know elongated over decades. It's uh It's failure to take you know accountability For their own decisions that affect young children Uh an abandonment of maternal instincts to protect your children for example. That's what I realize a mild mother It's really stabs that shit that people don't want to talk about especially in public But you do what you got to do and the better you can do it and the more common you can do it And be at peace with it the better whether or not you'll leave you forgive them or hold them accountable and say You're not forgiven. That's anybody's gift, right? Yeah, and you get and you got to make the call for yourself. No one can make the call for you Not not a not a relative not a friend not a fucking therapist. Nobody you have to make that call And it's serious shit and you'll get you'll get pushback from people because these are beliefs that run deeper than religion Even in some ways deeper than religion and politics and culture I mean family ties and beliefs about family are as almost as deep as it gets as a human being Uh just short of your beliefs about existence birth death You know shit like that Bad Yeah, so here's the thing um, and i'm a monologue a little bit too because you know, anthony touched on some things that Um, i'm probably going to be making some videos about but they're definitely things that need to be discussed you know men you see a lot of videos from men in the manasphere and They you know talk about maintain frame. They talk about all the different manasphere things regardless of what tribe you're a part of but one of the things that most Content creators don't do is they don't respect the fact that men are emotional creatures as well We have emotional needs. We don't just need to empty our ball sack. We need to be emotionally supported We need to be nurtured. We need to be cared for and and we all have you know The full gamut of emotions just like women do and we have the same types of triggers So we have our emotional needs need to be met. So when it comes to mommy issues The thing is is that if a mother doesn't nurture her son That son will have mommy issues. Yeah when the mother Nurtures her son those men are stronger because she is living the example That she needs the young boy to see in a woman. In fact, I remember old school. I remember older women They would they would counsel young men stay away from certain types of women and what were those certain types of women They were feminist thoughts. Yes, that's what these that's what you know back in the day when I was a kid That's what the maternal figures around me were saying now now We fast forward and we have a lot of men who are millennials who they were raised in single parent households They were children of feminism. They were children of broken homes. They've had a lot of challenges, right? Well, unfortunately a lot of those men are now bitch thinkers, right? And it's so common that even some male bathrooms now have tampons for cucks manjinas and male feminists You better I I know I'm not I'm not I'm not this is not hashtag the onion. This is real You can google that shit. I'm telling you Unreal. Yeah, it's it's it's for the manjina cuck and male feminist periods because they're bitch thinkers That's just the reality. So the thing is the reason that I bring this up and the reason that this is so important is because Feminine thinkers backstab men. They are the enemies of man When you go out of your way and you're doing what you can to be scandalous and everything else It's like what steve said earlier, right about about he was talking about just different things about saying shit That will get your ass whooped. Let me tell you something Nothing will get your ass whooped quicker Then trying to scandalously scheme behind the backs of the people that you called friends Because I'll tell you what they will activate your health plan They will and they will use up your entire out-of-pocket expenses for it Okay, and leave you on the ground to bleed out So when you see this the problem that you have to understand is is it a lot of these men who do this shit? They talk a big game, but they can't back it up. Everybody wants to be a red pill man until it's time to do red Pills shit now. Where am I going with this? conflict resolution Every real man, especially older men like myself and steve and you donovan We've all been through storms in life and some of those storms They've taken their toll. They've knocked us down, but we had to stand back up you fall down eight times You get up nine. That's right, right? But that's that's how men solve conflict when you see hurricanes happening, you know and everybody's running away There's a group of men who are running toward the danger and the reason they're doing that's because they know there's conflict there Yet in the manisphere When there are bitch thinkers and manjinas and covert male feminist cucks And they're and they're being cucks for bucks, right? And they're trying to promote their own personal brand at the expense of anybody else Not that i'm saying anybody or not that i'm calling out any certain, you know heroin bitch meth head with a hoodie or nothing all i'm saying is is like When you see this and these men don't know how to handle conflict They can't speak up like men. So they got to be a they got to be a woman in the bathroom stall You know, especially one of them tampons in it They got to suck other dudes dicks to get those other dudes to white knight for them And so at the end of the day what happens is is it men solve conflict? We do we solve conflict And so when you have healthy emotions when you have that that emotional need that's net met and you don't have Mommy issues You don't shy away from the storm You stand against the storm you stand against the tornado You stand against the bitch thinkers and the cucks and the male feminists And all the people that want to tear you down because it is feminine men Who are jealous of masculine men and rather than work on themselves like the bitch thinkers they are They have to externalize their thing and they can't take accountability for their own misconduct So when you talk about this is a huge issue. It's not only in the manasphere You see it all over youtube you see this projection You see the the the male feminine gas lighting that happens you see all this stuff So these things are important now i'm not i'm not gonna kick on that anymore But i'm just gonna say this these things are important to discuss because men are emotional creatures even alpha men Even masculine men, you know even strong men all of us myself included We are emotional creepers and we have emotional needs And so when we take care of ourselves and take care of those emotional needs Whether it's through a woman or through friendships or through whatever We are better able to handle life's conflicts And the way that you can see a feminine man is either a They go behind everybody's back and they start talking shit like a bitch Or b they falsely accuse people of shit and they got zero evidence behind them So all i'm saying is is that look If you eat that tampon and you're one of those men There are bathrooms there for you But if you if you wanted some healthy masculinity A red man group is here for you You forgot see drive nice cars for a bitch about single mothers as well. Yeah What i want to say is to y'all guys out there is For all guys y'all got to learn love your mom But never relate to her A lot of guys don't understand the first rule of a king Is sacrifice meaning sometimes you got to do things for the betterment of yourself When you are living with your mother by the time you're in her belly By the time you leave her house She is the only one that can tell you when to go to school when to wake up with time to eat with time to go to bed That's her law because you're under her root But once you get out of her house and you become your own man You are no longer Or you don't have to abide by any of her rules See for a lot of guys out there again I I related I love my mom, you know what I mean? But I don't relate to her because I cut the umbilical cord right a long long time ago And a lot of guys don't do that because mom still runs their life mom still tells you who to date A lot of you guys might want to Black men they might not want to date they can't date a black an asian woman or white woman Because they're afraid of what their family's going to think about them. You know what I say fuck you And your family, you know why let me tell you something as a goddamn man You're gonna respect every law rule code I make and if you can't live by my law ruling code Then I'm gonna have to let you go and like I like Anthony was saying this is what I call no tolerance I don't have time to justify Every move that I make to my parents my great parents and my brothers and sisters Either you're gonna agree on what I'm doing or fuck you and I don't mean to be Mean but I just keep things 1000 I don't have time to sit around like a 30 minute episode of the brady bunch trying to tell everybody sorry We all happy kumbaya. Fuck that man. That's not how we do things as men We don't do that kind of shit But like ddj was saying the problem is our greatest enemy. This is the worst part about this Mom and women I think have taken a second seat to our greatest enemy now Our greatest enemy are like ddj was saying these manjainas that bleed between their legs Oh god, yes, mother fuckers Are just like mommy think about mommy for a second. They're all facts on facts. They're always blaming They're always problematic. They're always making excuses They're always not trying to set boundaries and you know, I'm gonna use a one because that's my motherfucking road all Just like these motherfuckers See just like women women hate being second fiddle to success Same with these motherfucking bitch ass guys You see a motherfucker being successful And as a woman you want to try to stop his success You want to try to talk shit to him and then when a man bites back Then you want to cower and say wait. Why are you being mean to me? Right? Well, you're being rude. You're coming up aggressively Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Listen. Listen. Don't wave that white flag now that ass weapon's coming for you Like you said before oh no, oh no, we're gonna see you at three o'clock. Hi motherfucker at the black hole after school We're gonna see you where I see you It's gonna be see you where I see you type shit It's like I tell y'all guys on any see y'all young pups on the internet Y'all don't know what the real streets are like and the real streets have came on to the internet now So real is real, but there's some all this up. This is why it's important to listen to yet men On this panel. Yes, we all come from different areas But all we're trying to do is unlock the man in you and show you as long as you listen and follow the guidance and think and stay away from the poisonous feminine Bleeding motherfuckers that sit around and say read my fucking book and goddamn it drive my car single mothers ain't shit Motherfuckers and oh, yeah embody language and all that shit go ahead and do that shit But guess what these women gonna see you as weak punk ass motherfuckers And you think your mom with something wait you pull that umbilical cord out of mom and attach it to a woman And watch it when she smack you in the fucking face Shit out of you. Yeah, you're gonna be coming to us all the back wonder That should be Steve just he just secured the uh the yellow dollar sign for uh for this episode That was Yeah, I was gonna Robbie, what are your final thoughts on that? Like, uh, how do you go after that? I don't I don't really have a whole lot It may be just the whole the whole idea is like you're not a fucking man If you if you don't know your own values And if you're living how your fucking mom wants you to live or your wife or whoever you're not you're not a man You're just some fucking follower boy So get to know your fucking values figure out what those are and you know stick with them And if they're shit then then change it But that's what this channel is for and that's what basically we're helping guys do is figure out their values Don't get sucked down this bullshit rabbit hole of you know, listening to the man ginas And uh, you know, you'll be able to stand on your own two feet and become an adult Well said, um We're gonna we're gonna leave it right there guys. This was uh, this was a very very good episode We we talked about a lot of different things Let's go around the room Let's go around the panel one last time and talk about what we have going on this coming week. Anthony I'm gonna start with you Yeah, so it's a bit late But uh tickets are still in sale if you want to come out to the 21 convention of Warsaw, Poland Our first Polish event and our fourth european 21 convention that event starts july 18th the 21st Okay, cool. Um, let's check my audio here Uh, yeah beyond that we put out my speech last weekend too The future is still masculine Where I unveiled it the first time ever this hat at the convention in 2018 That talks kick and ass that had a huge uh viewership so far and everything everybody's loving it And it was cool to see that feedback Obviously, there's a lot of uh, a lot of combat a lot of conflict going on right now in the man's sphere That talk I was very proud of it. Um, I put it together gave it to the world And I'm happy to see it go out and start influencing the man's sphere and men very positively and I think it's the strongest, uh Even even the Medusa one was larger and stronger, but so far Uh, this talk is like the first It's the most potent content speech that they've ever put out that features still masculine I'm really appreciating that that'd be My thoughts on it and the leadership I provided in that speech So that was cool Uh, we're still putting out a bunch of talks and stuff We have a badass interview that is very surprised a big surprise for everybody that they're going out probably today or tomorrow With goldman unleashed in uh, new york city. I interviewed him for over half hour It's got infield footage. It's got fucking get me getting kicked out of the coffee shop I mean, it's a fucking wild episode. It's great. And uh, that's coming out. It's super high quality too And then beyond that everybody get tickets to the 21 convention 2019 of rlanda florida Coming to rlanda or home city founding city october 24 to october 27 2019 the lineup is fucking epic uh right up there with war soft pollen coming up soon The biggest event of the year wood stock of the fucking man's sphere And uh event to change the world All right, steve. What you got going on this week? Uh, let's see here monday the red pill mindset show we're gonna be talking about Time stop wasting your goddamn time. That's what we're gonna be talking about on monday Also in between that guys make sure y'all sign up to my instagram facebook and twitter at the man mindset Uh, where I will do some riding with the deans where I do q and a while i'm driving and also Make sure you get your goddamn tactical. So and you bitches your man fucking maxi pad I Legs y'all need to I want to say Is all you young men listen to these motherfucking guys on this panel They have your best heart and your interest at heart and they want to help you grow subscribe to everybody's channel Keep the movement going tell five of your motherfucking friends about this and make this motherfucking strong That's all I want to say man all right, robby Yeah, so I've got a podcast. It's called the leverage podcast and I've got a great Guest coming on this week. Dr. Robert Glover from no more mr. Nice guy And this is I think going to be our 106th episode. So that's uh, I release that every week on itunes You just go to interconfidence.com and you can find out about the leverage podcast So i'm uh, just you know doing that every week and i'm looking forward to coming out to warsaw It's gonna be fun Excellent excellent dj. What you got on top this week? All right So this week what I've got going on is I'm actually trying to get my new website live at messandry today.com So that it is more of a destination spot than the landing page that it used to be So a lot of my efforts are going to be focused on that Now what I'm thinking is when it does get released and it does go live It'll still be still portions of it under construction, but I'm kind of pushing to make that happen for this week In addition to that now that i'm no longer traveling there's going to be a lot more content on my channel I think uh, it's time to actually put out The cannons of masculine men which are kind of the rules that I live by That I want to share with other people In addition to that I talked previously about Doing a video on elizabeth warren and on what I believe might be a valid solution to Her as far as holding her accountable for some of the things that she's done And then in addition to that I'm looking at doing A couple other videos just to kind of deal with with some of the mana sphere because I think I really think that a lot of the things about What In the red pill community there are a lot of things that men can learn from and one of those things is that steel sharpened steel And so sometimes we as men have to deal with adversity and so taking out the trash Is a whole lot different than dealing with drama and I think the problem that we have a lot of times in the mana sphere is that Men don't know the difference especially a lot of men who are new to mana sphere red pill wisdom They don't know the difference between unwarranted drama or life's conflicts and If you can't handle conflict Then you can't call yourself red pill You just can't do it because red pill is the uncomfortable truth So I'm going to be putting out a video about that this week as well And I've also got some great her stories. I'm going to be releasing this week also on my channel miss entry today So there you go. Excellent. Excellent. Yeah this week. Um I'm going to set off a few alarm bells. I'm doing a interracial relationship week Which should be uh, what should be interesting to be sure so be sure to tune in for that It's going to be monday through friday at noon eastern and then of course I have my patreon show monday through thursday evenings at 6 30 Gentlemen anthony steve robbie ddj. It was great to have you guys on today. Thank you audience for Watching the red man group. Give me one second. Let me give a quick shout out to our super chatters Hoki bukiza with the ten dollar super chat. We appreciate that very much There might have been one more if I forget about it Forgive me, but we will see you guys here same bat time same bat channel until then we'll see you next week