 We have called the meeting to order and we're on the public hearing or zoning. Josh was about to give us an overview. Okay. I think recording in progress. Sorry, Josh wanted to make sure we got you for posterity. Yeah, yeah, thanks. Trying to get in here just. I think I think all of you have seen the proposed changes and as I explained last month. The changes. That the planning commission took. Or to prepare for an application. To submit to this state eventually for the neighborhood designation program. Which allows for. Benefits for development and designated downtown areas and neighborhood designated area. And so the changes were to help meet some of the requirements. That we need to score in that application process. Initially, we didn't have enough points. And so the changes in the creation of section 314. And the change to section 506. Gets us to think our points scored in an application. The first section of the change to the language section 107. That is not in relation to the neighborhood designation program. That's just a change just to clarify how. We're sort of defining land development and development. Right. I can go look for some supplemental speakers. You have something. We might be able to boost that. Comments from board members. For me. You want to speak. I'll just be super quick. For the record with the Vermont law schools. Institute for energy and the environment. I'm just here to record our support for these amendments. Not only for the reasons that Josh spoke of in terms of helping the town. Achieve an NDA designation, but also we think that. Some of the amendments on their own are also a good idea for the town in terms of creating. Community where people are going to want to work, live, and play. So we are in support of these amendments. Voting on it tonight. There are more. All the board of liquor control to order. The first step is public comment. We will look to approve the agenda. So moved. Second. The first class license. So then outside consumption permit. Travis and Patty are here. If you do have any questions for them. In the front row. Good question. I don't know if it's past that point. But is it possible for you to reopen the agenda so that you take up. The zoning amendments tonight. Rather than waiting for your next slide. We will have the start of the regular select board meeting. Pardon? I don't see that at the start of the regular. Oh, I am so sorry. Is this liquor control? Yeah, we're liquor control. Yeah, liquor control. I didn't know that. Okay. We're having a hard time hearing it. We're trying to fix that. All right. Could I make a motion, Jenny? Move we approve the first class liquor license application with outside consumption permit for. Kaiya sandwiches and kitchen. All second. Hi. Hi. Sorry. We're trying to get some external speakers going on. I don't think that worked. So does anybody want to adjourn the board of liquor control? Part of our. We'll be adjourned. That's whatever the control. So. All those in favor. Hi. Regular select board meeting to order. First up is public comment. This is for anything that's not on the agenda. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Any training? Yeah. Am I the only one here? Some public comment that is kind of related to a Facebook conversation that I had prior to the parade. And I'm here because I have. Ethical issues with calling out folks like the select board and the town manager on social media. And then. Not coming to tell you why I was upset. But I think that was a great decision. I think that was a great decision. And I think that of the parade was a decision that I think made a great deal of sense. I think it would have made a great deal more sense to. Reroot it and be public about it a lot earlier. I think that the, the. Beamville road project, the Beamville road pleasant street project. We have known from the very beginning that that was a made August. I think that was a great decision. I think that was a great decision to have some impact on the route of the parade. And so I'm not sure whose decision it was not to talk about that sooner and not to talk about with the chamber about it sooner. But. I think it was probably, but I certainly think it was the wrong one. I think it was the wrong one. I think that was a great decision for me to a lot of other issues related to the board's communication about the conditions of our street. And I would go back to 2019 when there was a fairly robust conversation about the maple street. Renewal project, which was similar to the project that happened on prospect street. The, you know, the infrastructure was plumbing infrastructure was replaced and people were given an opportunity to get their house to the road stuff replaced when everything was all being dug up anyway. And there was a lot of communication in the planning phase about that. And then may 2019 hit and crickets. And I would say that the, I went back looking through the select board minutes, including those. May. Being nine when Adolfo as town manager made a report to the select board about the maple street project and there was some conversation and that's really all the minutes say. And those of us who live on maple street with the gigantic potholes and with the sidewalk that is probably older than Jack Cowdery and paid because it was there when he was a kid. And, you know, the, the 100 year plus plumbing, who thought we had a stake in the changes that were happening, all of a sudden lost that stake and lost that communication without any notice from the town. So I rooted back in the minutes and I contacted do boys and King who ran the engineering stuff and the, the best answer I got was, you know, it's a really expensive project, and we don't have any money, and then there was nothing. So the, for me, the parade, I get that the parade had to be moved. But for me moving the parade at a meeting that happened the week before the parade was scheduled to happen. Relative to a project that had been going on since May and probably in planning well before that feels extremely disrespectful. And I, I guess, you know, if I wanted to be snotty about it. My question would be, you know, what is it about the rest of hospital Hill that makes their property tax dollars worth more than mine. And that I live at the gateway from the hospital anyway the gateway to hospital Hill which is one of Randolph's loveliest neighborhoods. But at this point in time. It is a neighborhood that has construction vehicles traveling down it on a pretty regular basis. And despite whatever that 2019 traffic study tells you has always had two or three 18 wheelers heading down it a day, including the ones that scoot down two o'clock in the morning. And is completely unusable by the elderly folk who live on our street Jocelyn house is on our street. The people who live there who would like to walk around the neighborhood are unable to do that without walking in the middle of the street. The, the daycare at Gifford which used to regularly have the children walk around the, the Hill can't do that anymore because it's not safe. It's just a whole bunch of things. And I get that you can't give us, you know, specifics about which holes are going to be filled when I understand that, but the total lack of communication is very troubling. You know, it comes on top of the fact that I have two wheelbarrows full of road waste that I remove and take down to the dump every spring. And I have that because we don't have curbs, like Highland Avenue has curbs, and we don't have real sidewalks, like Prospect Street and Highland Avenue have sidewalks and we just, and we have no conversations, unlike what we had when people were first when the select board was first talking about renovating Maple Street. So, I am happy. Yes, ma'am. You're saying it's supposed to be a two minute introduction to a topic that you might like us to take up in a future agenda. Then I'll stop. You're the board is for us to get together a status on this project. I know it went kind of dormant for a while. It's still dormant training. It's not a while, it's two years. But I think what we've got to do is go back and see, it did get pulled to a halt. And there was some neighborhood meetings that started pre-COVID. Right, there were a lot of neighborhood together during that. And there was supposed to be some coordination between the two, so they could understand kind of what it might mean if it went to a one-way street, which direction it might go. There's a lot of disagreement by folks on there. So, I think it's fair to ask us to have on the agenda next month the status of this project and potentially the level of what is it going to take, what does it look like, and what is doable, what is it, and what does that look like. And I thank you for that. And I would say just as a moment for the board that the one-way, two-way thing was less important to the residents of Maple Street than it was to the residents of Highland Avenue, who I understand complained vociferously. But again, I don't think their tax dollars are worth more than mine. And most of the folks who live on my side of the street were perfectly happy to have the sidewalk we located there. You know, if you go back through those plans as a board, I think you will see that the folks who live here now are the same folks, many of them are the same folks who live there then. And I suspect that we will all see the same things. But we would like you to take it up and put it on the agenda and communicate with us about what the board's pleasure is about this. And that that communication would ease a lot of the agita that that last-minute decision about the parade created. Well, thank you for giving me some voice, because I know I exceeded my two minutes and I appreciate it. I knew I'll know that I'm a collaborator rather than a confronter. But as I said, losing my temper on social media is not, and then not following them does not feel ethical to me. So I appreciate it. I didn't see it. Yeah, it's not that you can't. Okay. Taking up fully induced regulation amendments. Thank you. There's also a request. The library's got a grant opportunity that they found out about after we posted everything. But that would be due on the 8th of August, if you'd be willing to add that as well. Authorization to apply for that. It's an $8,700 grant that would draw down some of the ARPA funds available through the department of libraries. I'll move that we put both the land use issue and the library grant issue on to the agenda. Second. I'm singing that motion to approve the agenda of the bills added. Yes. Yeah. Let me rephrase it that way. A motion to approve the agenda with those two additions. Hi. Hi. Gearies, consent calendar. I'll make the motion to approve consent calendar. Second thought. Hi. In your packets you've got a letter from the Listers who are here tonight to present their recommendation in their process. I don't know if you want to move up front with us or what you guys normally do. This is my first live meeting with you, so I don't want to pick your normal flow. So wherever it works and then in your packets you've got their letter plus the RFDs that we received. Would you like us to give a general overview or just... I think that makes sense. Fair enough. Sure. So... And as something that we would like to understand is what is driving the need to do the appraisal. Sure. We just got the new numbers and they're pretty close to spot on. They are. So I'll start with explaining kind of the process and why we think we need it now. Mimi's here also so she can chime in anytime. The last reappraisal that we had in Randolph was in 2006. So we're working with a base set of appraisals that are 15 years old. They'll soon be 16 years old. And although our CLA, our common level appraisal, is at 100.95% this year. There's a lot of factors to that. So what happens each year is the state does a sales study. They look at every sale in town and they want us to say whether they're valid or they're not valid. There's things like transfer to children that obviously aren't valid. One of the things we come across is they ask if there's been any significant changes to the property since it was last appraised. And we can say yes, there were substantial changes and that's why a sale might have been 20 or 30 years ahead. What we don't say in that factor is that we haven't looked at it for 15 years. So we know that looking from the multiple listing service and tracking sales in town and seeing photos online of things that are for sale, that there's been lots of improvements to properties in town over the last 15 or 16 years. They didn't necessarily require permits, interior things, renovations, kitchens and bathrooms, additional finish living expenses. For whatever reason, there's a lot of things that have been approved of people's properties that we just have lost track with because we don't go into houses every year. So that prompted our desire to have a reappraisal. We also know that typically we would budget for a reappraisal for about a 10-year period, go to weigh money so that we would have it when it was ready. We have the funds to do an appraisal, to do the reappraisal. And so we put out an RFP knowing that firms are fairly busy. There's not a ton of firms that do the work. We sent in an RFP the first part of March with a late April deadline. We had one person bid or send a proposal. That was for a 2023 town library appraisal, which we knew was a little bit ambitious because it takes a couple of years to do this. We got one proposal. We reviewed it, felt like we really needed other proposals to compare. So we went back with another RFP for another month. We had three people sending proposals to new firms plus the original one to keep theirs. For 2024. For 2024. And the original one was for 2024 as well. The original we did for, yeah, we advertised as 2023 but the one person that bid it bid for 2024. So we went back out for 2024 and we ended up with three proposals. So we read the proposal thoroughly. We looked at the costs for each. We interviewed all three firms. We followed up with checking all their references. And we came to the determination that we thought the best for us was the municipal consultants. Their firm out of the Northeast Kingdom, I believe. Father and son, unauthorated, thorough, it's knowledgeable. We think they'll deliver us the great products. The cost was the mid-cost. It was probably $5,300 over the lowest cost. But we felt the most comfortable with them. And if anybody saw today's Herald, there's a front page article that this same firm was just hired to actually run the assessor's office at Barnard. So they're certainly doing the work in this area. And we'd be happy to enter any person. Dennis, I'm not sure if this is exactly relevant to the selection of the company, but how is it possible that the common level of appraisal is so close, even though it's been 15 years since we've done that? A lot of it's a sales study. There's certain reasons that we can say things aren't valid. We try to keep it fairly close, because if we were to go 15% either way from 100% then the state couldn't make that review of our appraisal. And that's one of the things we're trying to avoid. We know that this year the numbers are going to be really skewed because of the strong, the really strong market fingers on. We have properties that are going way under the assess value because on the flip side people are making improvements and on the flip side people are not. So we have houses selling way under assess value and way over assess value. So that CLA number then is an average? It's an average. Exactly. A healthy CLA after a talent review appraisal actually wouldn't be 100% because that would almost be construed as like sales chasing. Because houses change. Even the year after their appraised houses will change. And a healthier CLA would be a 102, 105, but we're at 100. And it could go under. We'll probably be at next year, probably be at 90%. And then who knows? And it's a market thing, especially after this year. This level of appraisal is also based off of a three-year equalization. If you look at our sales study that we get from the state every year to work on, there's a lot of properties that sell at 60, 70, 80% of what we have of value because they're just, they're run down, they're not maintained. And other properties that have seen improvements, they're selling at 125, 140%. So it's kind of, you know, washes out. So it's just kind of, just by luck. This should kind of level though. Yeah. Yeah. That it's right where it's at. You should kind of level though. Yeah. And at this point, at 2024, when we would have the town library appraisal, it's going to be 18 years since we have seen the houses. And there's been new houses, houses like that have been dilapidated. Like we just visited one. There's new houses on the market. There's new industrial. Like we have a lot more commercial and industrial than we had in 2006 that need to be looked at because those sales are all over the place. Like Bell Mains recently, they were assessed at like 700,000 and they just sold for 160,000. Yeah, something like that. So right there, there's an image of why. Also, if we do it this way, we're in control over the process. We get to interview firms and have a choice over them. And instead of like, if you're waiting for the state to do it, there's a lot of towns that had their last reappraisal 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008. And their CLAs are skewed too. And pretty soon all those towns are going to be forced by the state to have a reappraisal. And the companies right now are really full. The ones that we were looking at, they're out. If we don't squeeze in, they're like, we're not going to be able to see you. And so if we wait for the state to tell us, we might be in a position where we have to take the company, like we don't get to choose. We have to take whatever company will take us. We won't have that choice. Right now, if we're doing it, we're still 18 years out. Who knows what our CLA will be between then. But we are in control of the company and choosing the company and being able to do interviews, being able to have the company that we feel is the best and most equitable for the town instead of vice versa. Being like, who's going to take us? Are we going to take, who knows, the choice? Yeah, those sound like good reasons. It also seems like just basic issues of fairness, right? Fairness, equitable. If we have a bunch of properties that are being assessed way over what their current market value is because they've deteriorated over the years, they're paying a lot more in taxes than they really want to, right? And conversed on the other side with properties that are paying a lot less than they really want to, it's just not fair. Exactly. And that's what we're supposed to do with the Grand List. We're supposed to maintain a clear Grand List and we're supposed to maintain a fair market value. And this seems like the best way to us to achieve that equity among the taxpayers. I'm sorry if I missed it. Did you mention the fact that this is, one of the differences between the firms is how they take you through the grievance process as well. And then with this one, there's a software change that can occur in anticipation. It gets us out in front of the curve with some of the state mandated changes or state changes that are coming with some of the software components. So we also need to kind of make that jump on our own over our own choosing. The software was another one of the reasons we chose this firm because right now they're NEMRIC and the New Municipal Resource Center provides software to the Lister's office that works with the state tax department. This time the report is through a NEMRIC system and the state is changing vendors. They're going to be getting rid of NEMRIC in the next couple of years. NEMRIC owns Microsoft, which is the camera program, which we use on the back end to figure out values. So there's some concern, at least from us, I think whether Microsoft, Microsoft would be continued to be supported if NEMRIC loses the state contract. This change to this firm would have us switch into a product called Patriot, which quite a few towns in the state have switched over to already. I know that yesterday I was doing some research for real estate in Rutland and Castleton, and both of them are using Patriot. So I had conversations with their staff that really liked this software and the interface as well with the state. So that's one of the reasons we're considering this firm. And additionally, they will follow up with us through grievances all the way through the Board of Civil Authority for their price per parcel is included. For no extra cost. Some of the firms, if we ended up having grievances after this was filed and completed and they went to the Board of Civil Authority, we'd have to hire the firm to come in and help us with the BCA hearings. Any risk from $750 to $1,200 a day per week, by the half day. So it just seemed like if we look at the total package cost, if we had grievances to the BCA level, these proposals are pretty much the same. We're not talking about a big difference anyway. All three of them are within like $20,000. And that was in front of me, the contract's only the $200,000, right? Yeah, you can. $208,000. So yes, we're talking about a pretty small percentage difference anyway. Yeah. The lowest bid was $205,000 and this was $203,000. Look, $203,000, this is $208,000. Yeah. Dennis, when they're doing this work, do we have, like, how do we manage it so this, you know, the last nine months of the year we've seen the real estate market just go nuts and it's starting to have kind of a self-cracksome. It seems like it's not fair to use failed data from a fluke period to set these values. Right. How do they, how do they... That's a great question. And the firm could explain better, but I know that they plan to start, whichever firm we hire plans to start collecting data and visiting all the properties early next year. I think by June of next year municipal consultants will be in Randolph visiting houses and gathering all the data. They don't make any final value determinations until just before they set the grand list. And Pat probably knows this too because he's been through this before, but my understanding is they do all the data collection and they have a sense of where it's going, and they'll finalize numbers until right before the grand list is set. So that would be in like probably the winter spring of 2024. That gives us three more years to get beyond this bubble, if it's a bubble, whatever we're in right now. But they could probably explain that more. They're working on reappraisals in several towns, four or five towns per year until then. So they're dealing with this all the time and I don't know exactly how they do it, but we could certainly get an answer for you. That was probably clear as well, but... Oh, it's going to be some averages somewhere. Yeah, they... If I am understanding this correctly, our sales equalization is usually based on a three-year study, a three-year average. And I've not been through a townwide reappraisal with the firm, but I know for us as in the state and the CLI, you take it by the year and then you look at it over a three-year cycle. And that helps even out the fluctuations and you find the outliers and the extremes and the outliers. Sorry, I'm trying to put my math brain back on, on my statistical brain. But it's that three-year average that helps. We're talking about sales data. It's giving you the values. Yeah, exactly. And the commercial properties, they actually claim could be easier for them. They use a couple of different approaches for that. They use the sales data as one approach. They use a cost approach and use an income approach. So commercial is a whole different kind of way of appraising this stuff. And that's an important part for our commercial. Commercial and industrial. And they'll put us off on the right foot to keep it going, to be fair and equitable throughout the whole town. Because it's not just residents. It is commercial and industrial people as well. Does that make up the grand list? More than I do. Maple, right? Yeah. Am I correct in understanding that when you say this bid was for 2024, that the project would commence with the beginning of that fiscal year? So they would start work in 2022 collecting data. They would have a finalized grand list to run on April 1st of 2024 and fly out of the state. So that three-year time span that they would be looking at would commence now and look back a year and a half and a head a year and a half. There's a lot to a town-wide group. There's the statistical part with the sales data and doing that part. But there's also the physical going to every house in business and making sure that we have the correct data. That we have the correct acreage, we have the correct land grade, we have the correct square footage, quality, everything that's correct. So they need to also talk and visit almost every homeowner in business or have contact with. And that takes time. They don't measure and sketch every single property in town from scratch. So they're not going to rely on any of the data that we necessarily have upstairs. They're going to do a complete brand new system for us. Oh, when you say they're going to look at it, they're not doing, like, when you said acres, they're not surveying, no? Because some folks, this is the town records to another. Yeah, no, they look at surveys and deeds to make sure that they have the correct acreage. They're not going to do their own surveys. They're looking at what we have on our surveys and our land maps and our deeds. As what is... I may have missed it though. What percentage of the properties do they say they would get into? Don't we call them a proposal? They make several attempts to get into every property. If they can't get in, they do their best estimate at what it is and we send that property owner notice of what we came up with for value. And if they disagree with that, then we would hope they would let us in at that point. But generally, two or three attempts at least are made to get into every single property. One of the other things we should mention, they really dig on PR. So this company wants to have meetings before they start anything, public hearing, just to let people know what they're doing and answer any questions up front. They're happy to do interviews with media or use social media posts to keep people updated. They're willing to meet with homeowners at any time before grievances even, to pre-revent hearings to determine or to discuss and explain how they do values overall. So there's a lot of outreach. They just want to have really good and clear communication with property owners so that there's no surprises when the project finishes. Oh, and another thing that this company, we like about this company, is they want to be hands-on with the listers and work with the listers to make sure that when they're gone, the listers and order assessor can defend this grant list and keep it going. And some companies are just like, well, we're done, and we don't need you anyways. We can do this with or without the listers. And companies can. But what's nice about having listers is, listers and an assessor, is that you have the listers being like, oh, I don't know. I don't think I like what you're doing here. We can say, I think I see a trend here that makes us uncomfortable. Let's work on it. And vice versa, which is really nice to have that say. Because just like we have a select board meeting and we have town meetings, this is our last vestige of being community-minded and community-controlled. It's our last thing to do. But the state cannot take from us just yet. And I think this company recognizes that and works with that. And they were clear that they could do the job without our assistance, but that they would love to have at least a lister shadow them in every property they visit. Lots of times we know the listers know the homeowners, and so it's a comfort level for them letting us into the house. But they just think it would be really a good education for us to tag along exactly how they're doing their job. We must have about this amount of money. Yes, we're very close. We started talking with Cliff a year and a half ago about where we need to be. We actually anticipated a little bit higher than this. So we do have the funds. Yeah. That's great. So we have any questions from anybody that's in the audience ready to take action? Recommendation that we follow the listers' recommendation and hire the company that they suggested. Let's look it up. Can I just have a question? A question about the motion if that's possible? So does that require anything for us to come back at some point with a contract or does that give Trevor the power to sign a contract on the board we have? Good question. Well, I can't believe it. I'm ready. That's up to you. I think we're going to authorize Trevor to sign this, can't we? Can you give us a copy of the pens when we're done? We can each have a memorandum. Did you find that? Yeah, I'll second that. A maximum of a contract is 208? What it says. I believe that would be it. If there's anything outside of the parameters, we could come back to you. We'll know as soon as we have a contract proposal from them. What is the annual support and license fee that you refuse? It's for the software, for the camera software, which is the back end that we maintain. So that's in our possession. Yes. And we actually pay that fee right now. We just pay it to a different company. We're already paying it. Yeah, we're already paying it. Financial institution for the tax anticipation note? Got a paper copy of the memo. So I apologize for treating you. We got this from Cliff at some point today. Thanks, guys. I'm going to hand these down. I'm going to pass them down. So we sent out a request, basically an invitation for nine different financial institutions and also published a few other spots. Singing tax anticipation note. This is the plan that helps us bridge July 1 through the first tax collection date in October, I believe it is. We got four responses. Cliff and Emory reviewed them. The recommendation is to go with Union Bank, who provided us with a TAN for fiscal 21 through a combination of the fact that they've got the lowest of the interest rates at just less than 1%. And then there's a chance to earn a little interest back at 1.05%. And so just to give you an example in fiscal 21, it looks like those two items are going to about net out. I mean, that lower sort of our borrowing costs, we may even make $1,000 back. In the best case scenario, we're not talking big money. We're talking, Cliff thought, about $3,000. And that's if we didn't draw any of the money from the TAN, which could be unlikely just depending on the timing between July 1 and mid to late October when those tax payments come in. So the recommendations to go with Union Bank, again, for those two reasons listed. And then we will go through the documentation process there to set that up and get that in place. And wasn't there a question about whether it would be drawn down once or like an equity? Yeah, and usually we've drawn, I think, as needed has been. So, for example, on the one we got for 21, we got with some of the uncertainty over COVID, we went with a greater amount than this. And I can't remember if it was two and a half or somewhere in that neighborhood. Whereas this one's for one and six, I believe it was. And we drew, I think, just less than $900,000, if I'm remembering the numbers, right? I'll double check and record it in your account right here for Cliff. So we won't try to draw it all. It would be more of an ask needed. But that gives us a little extra protection. Yeah, we drew down 835,000 last fall, for example, in that first year. And do we get charged on what we don't have? I can ask real quick about that part. I'm just interested. I don't know if that's more than we do here. Right. I'd like to know how banks make money if the interest rates that they get are lower than the interest rates that they charge. We had that internal discussion. And there were no answers there. We're not quite sure about that. There's some magic smoke in there. That's because they don't pay us anything. There was a theory that, yeah, there was some sort of tax benefit to the bank. So there was sort of an additional amount that they were able to realize. Wow. Kick back at a cardiologist. Yeah. Sounds like three-quart montes. Yeah, it's not really backwards. I'm just trying to get the picture. I would move that we approve the tax anticipation note with Union Bank. Yeah. I second. That was too far. Yeah. Great. No, I'll speak more loudly next time, Trini. Sorry about that. All right. Is the patient note all in favor? Aye. Aye. And this was more of a placeholder than anything else to see if we wanted to revisit. Obviously, we are trying a combination in-person and I think there are some technology upgrades we would benefit from. And if we're going to keep doing that with regards to some microphones and speakers and a few other things. But just wanted to check in. You know, we're preparing to continue to do these sort of hybrid events. And then some of the other things were more technical just, and we had talked a little bit, I think, about it in passing with different members as them. For example, with warrants and payroll warrants, the system we've gotten replaced now, wherever, and sort of there's a pre-approval, a signature, and then an approval when you sort of get this moment later on. Is that a system that folks want to try to keep in place? It did seem more efficient. It was rooted in limiting contact points and visitors to the town offices. But do you want to keep those types of practices in place as well? But generally, we're reverting back with the lifting of all the various restrictions and the executive orders were coming back in to our pre-COVID framework. So meetings will be, even if we do the hybrid, it'll run primarily under the underlying open meeting law, which is sort of in-person focused. And we'll just have to, depending on size of crowds and other things, make adjustments for that remote component. Because a quorum of you are here, it's mostly in-person, it's a little bit easier to, and it's a smallish crowd online, it's a little bit easier to pull off the components. We had, say, a majority of you were remote. We still need a physical location, one or more of you and I here to provide that opportunity to attend, to participate. And then there are some procedural changes about them, calling out names at the beginning just to make sure we know who's attending. So that's if you're a majority remote, but still kind of, we have to keep that physical piece. But I think what we'll probably end up doing is what we need to upgrade our technology. So I'm moving a tiny camera and we're trying to figure out how to boost insufficient sound. And there are some tools that are out there, just not that easy to do. There's one tool out there that I've used in a past stop that's got the microphone automatic camera in terms of it'll learn where it sits and move to the voice. And has really good sound built into it. And we'll be able to just kind of set it in the middle and forget it. And so it might be if we're going to keep these models, we'll have to think about how to make those upgrades. So I think that's a good idea. Because I think in the future, some of us have traveled and been away, could attend a meeting, but we were in some other remote location. So if we were to do that, I just think that would give us all an opportunity to participate, as long as we're anywhere within the internet. I was reflecting on this just casually a little bit before the meeting started with a couple of people that were here, including Trevor. And through the writing that I'm doing about town governance in the Upper Valley and the communities I'm covering there from my writing endeavors, Heartland is working with their cable access provider, which is Hartford CCTB in the Heart Technical Center. And they're looking at trying to integrate with the live feed. So in our case, we'll be integrating with ORCA to try and find out if there's a way to integrate the live feed and Zoom into an interactive live feed. Essentially, that would be both through ORCA and Zoom simultaneously. So that's one of the ways there. Essentially what I talked to the town administrator Dave Ormiston in Heartland just a couple of days ago about this, and he said that what they're doing is looking to try and piggyback on Hartford CCTB's cameras with Zoom, essentially. That's kind of the approach there. So it would be like a live feed. It wouldn't be interactive. For folks on the other end of that, it would be like watching television. Anybody that's zooming in could... It would basically... Maybe we can... Our ORCA camera person here might be able to weigh in on this a little bit more because I don't quite understand this technology, but the idea would be to integrate the Zoom feed with the cable access feed in such a way that the person watching at home could see both the Zoom participant and all the rest of us who are here live. Whether it would be a split screen or a cutaway, you would suggest that... I don't want to put words into it, but you would suggest that maybe the headshot of the person on Zoom would be down in the corner of the feed or something like that. That's what we were talking about today, but there's been no decision made about that. We're exploring that as well. I'm sure everyone else is too. There are others in the region, Bridgewater, Pomfrit, that I can think of who are just going to stay with the hybrid Zoom format and let it go at that. And then there are others, like Redding and Plymouth, who are just going away and going back to in-person. My personal point of view, both as an elected official and as a private citizen and as somebody in the media, is that, in my professional capacity, is that the more accessibility we can give to people, and the more creatively we can go about giving them that accessibility, both those of us who are elected officials and the general public. I mean, I think about people that are for reasons of, you know, people with disabilities who are basically stuck at home. They don't have a way of interacting with us in an in-person, real-time environment. And I think it's important that we open up one of the, God forbid, I should say, one of the silver linings of COVID is that it has made governance more accessible to a far wider range of people. So I think that's important to try and do whatever we can to continue. I continue to agree. The other benefit in having the technology is outside of the sign board. It gives us the ability for our employees to participate in trainings without them having to travel. You know, a lot of what we're seeing across government right now are remote learning opportunities that require that capacity from the video and all that. A lot of that's all being rewritten. So people can get more training and participate easier. I think it's worth the investment in the technology. Are there topics under that? Just that when we sort of thought about it, the building's open. You know, I'm asking. It's highly recommended or encouraged. You know, we're following generally state guidelines for anybody who's unvaccinated. We've encouraged staff that if there's interaction with someone who'd prefer a mask along, you know, folks have them handy. And are ready and willing to wear those. And I mean, really, it's about some of the smaller stuff. It seems like the warrant, payroll warrant system's been working. So folks want to continue with that. There's some support to continue with that. Otherwise, the reversion is just we'll bring them to you or we'll have to chase you down and get the three signatures for those payroll warrants that are off-cycle from meetings. And this way, let's review some sort of review and authorization and signature in a way that's a little more efficient. So that's some of these little practice twists from COVID-19. We were doing that before COVID. Were you? Yeah. So just keeping that in mind as well. So I'm slightly confused. So before, before COVID, we would have three select board members come to town hall to sign the warrants before they could be issued. Since COVID, we've been doing it with three email approvals and then one signature. And then we would sign at the, you know, I've actually known. And then that was it. That was all we, because we couldn't sign them because we didn't have the meetings. And so I'm wondering, are we suggesting now that we basically just keep the current system because it seems to be working and there's not a compelling reason to go back to all parts of the way we used to do it? Do you want to keep that twist? It seems like it satisfies some of the, it certainly satisfies the controls pieces of it because there's layers of internal review and there's still the external review and it's just the one authorization signature but we've got the blessing of at least a majority. So do you want to keep it that way or basically go back to the three, chasing three folks down for those sort of off-cycle? I didn't switch before COVID. I think we did. I don't know. I understood that switch to have happened after COVID. That's my thought. But obviously it goes back to COVID. We were having three people come in on the sign before that. No, I don't think so because I was signing a lot of stuff. Three people? No, all the things that we just wanted and then you took some of that over. I thought we switched just prior to. Yeah, I did. Okay. Again, not in America. I mean, that's what I thought. In any event, what we're doing now seems to work and I'm happy to keep doing it and not make it any more burdensome than we already... Yeah, no, I think the same thing it's working. If you can't do it, I come and you know where there's a little bit of usually pop in and do it. So to me it seems like it's working. Yeah, yeah. In fact, it'll be even better now without since we're past COVID because then any of us can come in and sign. Yeah. And it's for a while it was really just me when we really locked down. Can we sign electronically? Yeah. That's a great, weird idea. We play all kinds of stuff electronically. That is a great idea. We have to be able to sign... That is a great idea, Trinity. Yeah, I'll see. We can sign everything from loan documents to more documents. And if we're doing that, then I mean that's basically as easy as giving an email approval so we could just get a majority signature right there. Send it to you and you just click into the spot. I like it. That would be even more efficient. Yeah. Okay. We'll look into that. Cemetery plots and some of those but a lot of even your grant applications and grant agreements and all that can be done electronically. Yeah. Most of the stuff we're signing for the state now for the other grant agreements and things like that are just the sort of the e-sign. It's pretty handy. That would be great to do everything more efficient. So participate in the municipal roads grant. Yeah. These are the... They become manual, the smaller dollar grants that we use on primarily gravel road projects that are aimed at water quality improvement at least in part. And they tie back to the implementation of the... of the multi... was a multi-sector general roads permit for municipalities. So I think of it as a state storm water permit for local roads. So we're able to use these grant programs to do things, you know, there's quite a bit of ditch work, small coal work, that type of stuff that ties into some of those storm water best practices. And so this was just to get us into the queue for the next round of funding. From the prior round, we are set up to to a project on Howard Hill that has quite a few of those elements. We'll have to refine that scope and come up with a plan to get that going here hopefully. I think August is the target for that. In a way that... they're 80-20, so we'll be receiving 18,500 dollars in sort of the 80% part. And then there's the remaining... it was a 3700, which ought to be our match, which we can do materials in kind. So, you know, a lot of these projects we'll do with town labor, town equipment. And there's a sheet that goes to sort of account for those costs. And we submit everything while I set the end. So while we're sort of asking we had polled folks to certify the submittal of the letter of intent that we envisioned. So legislative body left saying that, but we did get it in before the deadline of the idea being that we would certify it tonight. Obviously. So we're actually certifying that it was okay that we submitted that letter of intent. Yeah, yes. We did sort of the basic polling and then for the idea being that we review and certify. And if you decide not to, you can withdraw the money we'll go to other municipalities and be reallocated. I have a decision. I'll move it. We approve the fiscal year 22 letter of intent for the municipal loans grants made for the month. I'll second. All right. We're currently without any 9-1-1 coordinator, full-time or interim. I think once we get an executive assistant in place we've gone back out to advertise for that and have an interview scheduled for next week. That's been one of the places that the 9-1-1 responsibilities have been nested. Zoning's a common place when you look at municipalities throughout the state because of the tie-in with development, development applications, subdivisions, some of these things that might generate an 9-1 address or the need for one. I have been in this role for not ideal to sort of assume another task but until we can fill this, get somebody in. We need someone who can issue these addresses. We're able to work with the state so they issue one directly for a property but at some point we know we're going to have a few others that would be helpful to have someone who can at least coordinate that process on this in the short term. So if you approve it we'll do a little letter that will come from the town on a town letter head that just says the interim 9-1 coordinator and we would do this only as long as necessary until we found a good, loving, permanent home perhaps other than that. But for now this is a way to get this. It's the quick fix. Yeah, this is the quick fix because we know we could have as many as three or four requests coming soon and it would be nice to set up on it from then. Who's been doing it, Emery? Emery had done it before but as he moved over to the courtroom he could retain it but his place is fairly full as he's learning everything that comes with being a clerk treasurer doing a great job with it but to switch I think maybe be a little much down on as well. I move that we appoint the town manager as the interim E-9-1 coordinator. So I'm in favor. Bye. Emery and Jerry and guideline update. Yeah, I just wanted to I think I'd mentioned it in a distribution of materials to you but wanted to note it for the record. We made the portal that was opened for municipalities to essentially submit for payment opened earlier in June and essentially your deadline is July 15th so we submitted on the town's behalf essentially certifying that we would be participating would like these ARPA funds these are the direct aid payments to the non entitlement unit so the money we've been talking about it's about $480,000 it's going to be paid out in two pieces this was the draw for the first a little less than $240,000 next year around the same time we'll have to draw the second piece still no answer that I've seen on the county government funds and so we've got some time we've got to obligate the funds by 2024 and then spend them by 2026 So it was a basic update I went back through some of the guidelines just to make sure one of the things that if you're agreeable to doing under this I'm your authorized representative in state systems for SRF and other things and so we were able to submit but in looking through some of the reporting for Treasury it might be helpful just to make sure we formally bless it for the ARPA pieces on this end as well well in advance of our first reporting requirement in October it's listed in the VLCT guide says it should have someone appointed specifically for this rather than a shall and when we work through what do you need to submit your certification sheet it doesn't have that element on it but if it's a should if it's going to be part of that Treasury reporting it makes some sense just to take care of it now before we even got that first payment in hand So really it's just designating the manager as the authorized representative then we're set up to draw for next year as well without any questions and then certifying the application for funding that we accept there's some paperwork I'd have to sign related to some of the federal requirements that are pretty standard non-discrimination those types of components that come often with the grant funding so it's just getting a formal blessing for what we're already set up to do it's a should but sometimes the shoulds are prudent even if they're not in the channels I've got an action sheet if you want it but that's the quick version I would move that we appoint the town manager as our designated representative to represent the town with regard to all our funding and certify our application and give clearance to all applicable users and certify our application that will cover us yeah that would be great absolutely a second motion and a second all those in favor all right it would be helpful if we understood kind of the bigger picture with this I know we have to complement kind of a plan of what to do with this money and and not only from the perspective of what I can be used for but how it might be able to complement applications for some of the infrastructure funding that's coming at the federal level yeah I think we're in a good spot where we should have sort of a lengthier community conversation about what the funds can be used for how we want to try to use them and to set some prioritizations in place with an eye toward we'll have the first half obviously but we'll be fully funded next year at this time so we've got a little bit of time to have the conversation if we're viewing it as a full funding out of scenario but I agree we're at that spot where we should start to talk about what are eligible uses what are the things we think we can use under those categories how to engage the community how do we start to prioritize because 480 could go sounds huge but it could go fairly quickly depending on where it goes do you know I haven't seen anything in the legal citizens towns documents that I've looked at that addresses this do you know if there's a system in place for vetting expenditures before the facts so that you don't get left holding the bag if it falls outside the parameters or the approved funding there's a couple of different contacts I think both one through the state that it seems like is more directly connected to Treasury I think that would be the chain say hey we've got an idea you know we'll run it up to the Treasury level because what's what's guiding right now how we can or can't spend the funds is that late May taking comments on through July 16th so it's possible that that could change as well but that's the one that set those sort of broad categories about for you know support public health expenditure the place lost public sector revenue and water sewer broadband infrastructure some of those you know category buckets that are out there as opposed to at one point it had been talked about the thought that it might be a more flexible pool of money whatever the way they thought sort of appropriate in response to the COVID-19 or just to meet community needs but it seems like it's going to be constrained to to those buckets is sort of the older option but then it might be within that hey we've got this idea we think it qualifies under one or more of these categories is this an appropriate use and what will we need to show if anything for that I think we need to look at what the capital community is working on and what are our priorities and our projects out there because you know you could use that money to offset an expense that we already have in our budget also to free up money that could be used and a to patch a grant if there there's you know water and sewer projects out there if there's highway projects all those are things that we should be giving kids around what they are and how much we're looking for because all this you know we just had a call for earmarks for example with the congressional folks they were not in a very good position to be taking advantage of some of this money that's out there or that's coming it would be good for the whole not just this 400,000 but there's bigger pots of money too we're just not ready and some of it might be digging into there's a sort of fact sheet on the categories but there's a the 39 page Treasury guidance that goes with it when you look through that really quickly there might be some ways to try to link together an infrastructure project that has multiple elements that might be so that you've got a water line and you can tie also in some storm water infrastructure for example that's referenced in those bigger guidelines then during that project those elements meet and some of the requirements can you also cover the cost to repay because you've cut everything open and do some of the repair so is there a way to sort of extend that capability into a broader project or does it just cover the elements you might have to do the water storm water pieces and then it lowers the overall project cost for us so it's still advantageous but it might just be figuring out going into that larger guidance but here are the pieces and can we stitch them together and what would that look like and then running them up through that to say does this fit like Maple Street or something it's got a few of the elements and if you can find a way to add a broadband out into it too you're really hitting all the infrastructure buckets but yeah and some of it might be just finding ways to some of the allowed uses are more programmatic and might require a little more in terms of community support focused could do there are certain elements in that for loan or grant programs if that was we got to a spot where we couldn't find other eligible uses we might be able to create something that is of impact locally but functions a little differently than what we're used to doing so almost like a miniature revolving long fun for business and impacted by COVID and otherwise so it's there are some of those other potential uses out there too but we have to really figure out what those categories mean for us and how we can best take advantage but we've got some time I think it's a good run up to start doing it now running it kind of parallel to capital budgeting conversations that are going into budgeting conversations with an eye toward you know putting ourselves in a spot say July 1 next year we've got an implementable plan to send those dollars back out the door in some way I think that's a reasonable timeline especially when you think of when we can draw the 40 so it's also using that split payment to our advantage to make sure we're ready to hit it when we draw it hopefully it's a little earlier in the year for the portal say we draw it in May we're ready funds in hand on July 1 to do something or a bunch of some things but I think we're well set up but we do have to have that figure out what we can do and how we can do it prioritize it engage and then come up with a plan implementation would be the easier part in all of this these are good problems to have which is nice it's not going to be hard to spend it on oh shucks yeah how can you put $500,000 to good communities if we put our heads together we can figure it out yeah assembly permits you've got a pair in there ones for the Matsuri Music Festival this is a fundraiser for a program run through the high school and for the Japan program for students in 21 and 22 so a music festival at Fars Hill and the second one is the RAC-BC request for a cornhole tournament community fair at Salisbury Square both are in June I mean August I'm sorry the first one's 821 and they've got a rain date listed to I think of 822 and then primary gate on the other one is 828 the property owner I'm staying for Fars Hill conversation so do you want to take them in two pieces for that so maybe do the yeah it's not really a conflict well I'd recommend that they get the permit even though they didn't think they might get the $500 number but I'd just suggest getting getting the $500 I thought they'd be three to four but they've got some interesting performers so they could end up with a bigger crowd so it's questions, comments or emotions on the music festival the move that we approve the permit for the music festival second hi hi I'm staying I'll move that we approve the permit for the cornhole tournament second dot here hi now we have a grant for the library yep so yeah Dami Rootsman while she was still on the call with the department of libraries there's a non-competitive non-matching grant that after for about $8700 and they're looking to use it in some of the categories outdoor furnishings technology collection purchases or some of the things listed you authorize the application yep I'll move that we authorize the application for the library grant second hi hi I believe is where we'll add land use regulations also so we have an act for video then we add other things to the agenda the land use regulations which Trees saying we'll do under old business which is next right I didn't realize that we were under old business right yeah I've had a couple of times have a request Mary Ann to go on the energy yep I still have room I believe she's been attending I don't know Mary Ann I don't know if she's there or not thank you yeah I'll move that we appoint the energy second make sure a good addition second second I hi hi hi that is the land use regulations I'll move that we adopt the amendments to land use regulations I will second those in favor bye these sorry these will now be effective 21 days from now 20 days thank you Jenny and students the primary update is probably on beam bill on the Colbert projects while excavating down to the depth through the new Colbert the encounter I think I've referred to it before as soup which has been an interesting challenge there's been a lot of ground water there's been storm water it's not the broke itself that's getting in but it's creating a situation where it's difficult to water the area so it's difficult to get it stable which means it's difficult to then start to install the Colbert which pieces are being delivered to either today or tomorrow so we've been working with the engineers from the state and geotech engineers this is a soil type that showed up in the anticipated how wet it has been as they've gotten down particularly on the outfall end so we've been trying to work through different options with that to both dry the area out and to make sure that the silt that's coming out and mixing the spotter isn't making its way back into the brook on the outside so there's been a bit of a battle the rain certainly hasn't helped at least in that case we could dome that area off that would help but we've come up with some solutions I think that will allow the Colbert to go in it'll move a little bit closer to the new Colbert and where they were going to put sort of a foot wall on the outfall to prevent water from coming out of the Colbert going back and washing out under we'll do a different combination of some smaller concrete elements there and some stones so we may end up with a maintenance practice where every so often we'll have to check at an appropriate level to prevent that kind of erosion underneath that outlet end the inlet end seems to be much drier a little bit easier to work with there haven't been as many issues for that it's all going to result in some additional materials and we're talking about what that should look like as a change order and even as originally presented it will still be under our overall project budget however we'll be starting to come up really close to hitting our heads on the ceiling of that if we were to just go forward but some of that potential change order is looking at some of the when the road runoff comes off in the middle of that dip and has eaten away at that bank is there a way we can sort of stabilize that with stone that's a big chunk of that change order but is that something that we could plan to maybe look at sort of local resources to say we'll find a different way to cover that cost and to keep it out of the project budget just in case there's something else that gives us an extra $20,000 for example but if not you can probably use the funds that way yeah and so if we don't need it we can maybe at the end kind of do that piece do a backhand so that's the less critical piece so we're going to probably do some element of it what's challenging is trying to figure out what's the right number of cubic yards for some of the stone and the other elements but you don't know what we're doing and part of why we're looking to shift it and stabilize where we are rather than keep excavating is there's concern about the slope that's on the precision side of the culvert because there's got that layer same sort of layer of gravel silt and lots of water coming out of the bank in different spots and so you don't want to destabilize that too so we'll have to make sure that we're stabilizing that none of this point is just a budget impact and so that's been what a good chunk of the last week has been about and the state signed off on moving the culverts so we're okay there and so that'll shift it shift it a little bit toward the existing culvert and maybe change some of the moving it down down the road away from doing the precision yeah so the culvert was kind of an alignment just off this way and it'll sort of shift to snug up you know works out to be between two and either two feet or five feet in some way in that range I think it moves not a significant change that's what the DEC said was it's still within the intent scope and so they blessed it today so hopefully that will keep moving if they can stabilize that they're ready to start adding the culvert pieces and it's become a matter of backfilling yeah wouldn't have thought you would have ended up with that kind of problem yeah at this point and it was the kind of material that even where it could drive you just sort of tapped your foot on it a little bit it was just enough water that it would jelly and it's just real fine gray silk and you mix it with water and there normally you can pull a certain amount of it out you know as you pull it out a little bit even the geotech guy here said he had 40 years in I don't know I haven't seen this one never saw this before that's reassuring thank you yeah same thing with geoengineers he said he would look at a well there was water there yeah and so we're a lot to work through that go back to the dozens yeah so we split the change order into pieces so what do you need to do to keep the culvert about how to do the materials is really just making sure we're getting the right amount there's the right amount of check because there's nobody on site to measure some of those truckloads so if we leave it open ended even as good as that relationship's been with the contractor check the balance yeah it's just not a comfortable spot to be in so trying to figure out the right way to handle that piece and then that stone piece at the top is at the very end so it's moving forward we're just wrestling with it a little bit but it's still a long track to finish about what we thought though yeah there hasn't been any talk about a schedule disruption which is good I was there the other day it's quite a whole it's really pretty it's a big awesome yeah who doubt my mind yeah we were talking about parade stuff and there this is where I was standing 30 minutes ago this is at the bottom and at that point it's like they've got another 68 feet to go so they're hauling that material out of there or they're saving to put back some of it they're saving to put back and trying to stash at different places and they're trying to find a spot to stash the culverts too until they can drop them in so has anybody talked to the new land over just coming on just before the storages yeah what part of the tuckers used to own yeah I can see if they've talked alright I have a really good relationship with them I don't think it'd be a problem if they wanted to settle in there I can't believe you'd be opposed to that yeah they were hoping originally to use the branch with parcel but because then the site assessment's underway we can only do snow removal there it's been nice I mean this is just you know it's like a quarter of a mile away yeah and the site if you think that's an option you want to go I could reach out to him for it yeah I'll ask Desi and Rick because they ask me again what I'm referring to right just around the corner beyond the apartment house there's a nine acre lot there that they just put a new road in yeah right there okay I don't think you'd be opposed to that whose parcel is that it was showbacks and then it transferred to the tuckers and they just recently sold it to Michael Hale who's the owner of Nantucket Postcat and it's hoping to kind of place the future and expand too we'll see needs water and sewer so but there's yeah it seems like they could land them right on that road yeah that might work well for them too I think I saw one of them the other day parked up by the wheels that was a piece of it could have been yeah concrete probably 12 by pretty good size somewhere between 11 and 13 seconds I think yeah yeah so it would be quite affordable take a look at it let me know I'll give you a chat to him I'll close it to the to the crew there there's also some young down there that somebody owns the storage business on yeah I had heard that yeah you're storing culverts now you give the town for that right it's probably better than what's in some of those units we can give you all the all the fine silt you could possibly want I might be interested in some of that put it in the tracks and wanting to I mean it's really it's incredible how just how fine this stuff is well they are looking for a place for some of that it might not be home for it yeah that's the big one we were close to full strength Tuesday for the first time in about three to five weeks which was nice in terms of people back from different use vacation schedules it was one point last week where we had three of us I think in the building it was a little sparse to cover so it's nice it was nice it's been much more relaxed this week with a full array of bodies but we've had some cliffs back but then locations are winding down or you couldn't with the camera you couldn't see Josh yeah had a kind of a freak accident and a part of his leg I mean just stuff like that too Josh he fell down basically in a funny way and broke accurate disclaimer yeah it was tibia or the fibula one of the wow so he's been so we've got kind of a crutch cane cast I didn't know that poor Josh the whole end of the haul yeah yeah we either got back some legs here yeah but so that's been good that's helped levels somebody to use the elevator that's good yeah he was using it for bed and then just has the camps to the zoning out that's made sure the other day I ran into you and Morgan and Morgan was describing some of his challenges over the summer with finding people to do stuff I was wondering if maybe you could sort of fill in other folks might not know because I didn't know before what kind of challenges has been happening yeah it's another area we've got folks going out for longer terms for the highway crew slots in addition to with the combination slots those two employees we've got to lead on a second one to fill that slot but if we're able to fill those those are with Harold right now where Morgan might have some use from so it might be that if we do fill that second slot we're trying to figure out if Harold's in a good spot we can slide them over to highway a little bit to help all their short staff and they've had different people so some of Morgan's concern that's been ongoing is about there's weeks who's had enough bodies to do the different things that got scheduled particularly some of the ditching culvert work some of those pieces and so it's it's been complicated by the absences that are totally necessary in a lot of these cases and as we try to work the hybrid positions in are they available and it was bodies that may have been in the road department before and we figure out how to share them especially as grass growing slows down not kind of with the bulls holding together some of these other things that were way more emerging the pace of burials has dropped off significantly that was from mid-May to mid-late June that was the storm yeah so the thought of sending somebody even if you had them to help it was hard but we might be in a spot now where we can slide those over but it would be worth sort of seeing how this system works and if we need to think about rededicating or moving folks sort of long term into one role or another or whatever it is but there's as people are learning if there's been some pushable exacerbated by the absences having somebody go for six weeks plus the those two new guys if we fill the second slide we've got two new guys we've got to make sure that they both have their CDL licenses in place that it's well before the snow flies that they've got time to train their long routes so I think some of that's the pressure that the more that talk that it feels as well is to make sure that they're set up for when that comes so with the potential of what you have right now do you have that covered? I think you need another I think we're close I wonder and we'll have to see how long some of the absences are it might be it might be symmetric seeing if there's someone we can somewhere we can move some of the pieces get some resources into highway maybe backfill somewhere else in the patches here for now it would just have to see sort of how long people are out and what we can accomplish and we may have we've thought about our own manpower but there might be certain things that we're able to hire out at a comfortable cost and then it's manpower equipment it's just one sort of you're there for that period of time to do that thing it's just sort of looking at like a contract services arrangement for you've got a handful of smaller Colbert projects for example right something that this year we have to see if we can find somebody to do that and set up and just do it all as opposed to trying to move people around to do it so to be able to not worry about your skill level so much you need you know an excavator operator but that's what you're lacking to do those kind of things so yeah it might be beneficial to take some of those and firm them off so it might be that's how we in other places that I've been that's how we when we've had sort of that more acute staffing we were able to kind of meet it that way you know think projects specific what can you offload some of the exercise we have to we have to look through what we have there's been a discussion about sand only a little bit only for me to really that I heard quite a bit about it when you were interviewing me and that it would be nice not to hear it was an entertaining story it'd be nice not to hear about it I'm just hoping that gets addressed yeah one of the things where if we could find the capacity building a new screen I think they could fabricate a new screen especially for the village and it's normal they can set up a little differently it'll make that process a little more efficient but it's being able to dedicate the the fabricators for that period of time and so maybe if we're able to shift some stuff around we can do that yeah just checking in on now and before December gets here yeah it would be really nice not to have to we should be it's our spec yes recent yeah yeah there are some process elements we could tighten up I think to avoid I'm fine you know you need the screen to be able to take out the frozen stuff but you know what suit treaty said sand that meets the specs is what we really shouldn't be buying and not stuff that's causing problems so I just want to bring it up now because it's July so it'll be November so I've still got stones in my garage and I'll bring them down if need be you should just throw those and the brats here in the spring is what you should have done with those I think one of those hit my windshield yeah okay glad to know you're on that one he was listening when we were interviewing yeah he was go ahead perfect down to the smaller screen yeah yeah talking about the products right I think those are the highlights we hit some of the other pieces that we've been working on along the way touched on some of the staffing stuff the bill we went back out again with the paving bids after not receiving any responses and this time did more directs so to directs to five different entities and then the sixth inquire who was looking at maybe some other work in town on the water wastewater end those are due next week so hopefully that'll bear some fruit we've gotten quite a few calls the last week about the show in particular trying to talk through that we are trying to address that piece of these and this paving bid they've been working through some issues with some of the well pumps particularly at the pro street we've got some plans and so I'm guessing by that August meeting we'll have something to put before you that'll focus on some of the necessary there's aging equipment as there's sort of a short version of it we're talking preliminary pricing we're seeking more we could be talking repair in the 20,000 or any other piece of equipment it hasn't impacted water supply it's been a bit of an management challenge just trying to figure out what it is diagnose it and come up with a fit so that we can avoid that well keeping an eye on the fact that we'll largely be decommissioning not decommissioning as well but there'll be the sliding into ancillary protecting the past within 18 months as well just trying to balance all of those different pieces out is it the main pump? I think it might be at Pearl Street, yeah trying to pull up what Chris sent me and Cliff did say that we we do get charged interest on the 10 for the dollars we don't use but it's offset by the earning interest on the fund it's not used and since we earn it a higher raise when we pay it essentially becomes washes itself out yeah I'd love to have that as a credit card well that's not I'd love to have that as a mortgage that would be great and then just before you all go I have some things that just need signatures that have been held through either through COVID or like tonight's liquor licenses while you're here I'll then call you back in yeah we're used to doing that we just haven't done it for like 15 months that's the file are we going to clarify stick with the signatory policy we've had it sounds like we can do that yeah if there's stuff that you need signed while we're here go sign them yeah I've got a few so it sounds like with that 10 we want we actually want it to be as big as possible we want to borrow like billions of dollars wow tack that up another million right we do have a huge area we could we could go up but we can't it seems like we're going to make money on this right if we don't it all depends if we depends on how much we draw off of it right we might make another thousand bucks the more the more we we have in reserve the more interest we'll get on that which is more than the interest that we're paying and so we shouldn't max it out right like what's the downside to maxing it out it seems like well we might make some money we'd be seeking some short term debt right we don't need it but so it could be even if the bank say well you don't look like you need this amount cause we might they might not give it to us but we could ask yeah it's free money right I mean it's free money no it's no free money it seems like it is I know it it's it's I mean it's bizarre that it's this way but it does sound like this is real free money it's it is an odd system yeah so we should make take advantage of it as much as we can yeah and it might be what the return would be if everything continues where it is when 21 maybe a thousand dollars so the big so the big thing here really is we're not talking about a lot of money we're not talking about that we might get another couple hundred dollars or something and so don't spend a lot of time worrying about this yeah so we did we were doing one in six we did two eight I think it was two five or two eight or twenty one and we're going to more conservative projection or higher amount based on cash flow and certain types of COVID darkened the best case around three thousand and we're going to sort of like cause they're also pretty close in terms of percentage rates probably one hundred percent right that's sorry we're actually I wish if if the credit card was paying the money I think instead of me paying that you need a motion to adjourn we're done? so moved second bye bye bye