 Good evening, I'd like to call August 3rd, 2020, Sleiport meeting to order. With us is Justin Lawrence, Paul Smith. I'm Brad Town, our Assistant Town Administrator is with us tonight, Tom Bogowski, and our Town Charger, Diane Isabel. John Quinn will be joining us in 10 minutes or so. Okay, additions or changes to the agenda, Tom? Brad, I have two things. I sent you folks out today, a couple of alcohol permit requests, so you didn't need to convene a liquor board here sometime. And the other item is a contractor's payment request for the Payton Turnpike North Sewer Improvement Project. Public comment, hearing none, Treasurer's Report meeting. Okay, we have this preliminary audit coming up on August 27th, we have the first day of it. And that, like I said, is preliminary. Then after that, the audit itself will be on the 17th and 18th of September. And then everything should be completed at that point. So we will be in time to have our audit complete by the end of December, whenever things haven't done. And we do plan on having the auditors in the building all that they're going to be socially distanced. On the 17th and 18th, at least the 17th, normally there's three of them. I think one of them will be working remotely with the other two will be. And of course, anything else I have is in the agenda. Okay, thank you very much, Diane. We're still looking at the permits, the vouchers. Who is going to be tonight? He said he was, yeah. Okay. I talked to him before. Well, we're out on a date, we've got no one here. I think we can maybe talk about the police chief recruitment there. It really doesn't require anybody else. So, Dana left me with a draft of a advertisement for replacing the police chief. We also had some conversations with Trevor Whipple, who was the police chief at the South Burlington for many years. And now he's working for Vermont League of Cities and Towns. And I know Dana has contacted him prior to Dana's departure, and Trevor has offered his services to the board. Anywhere from writing of a job description to putting together an advertisement to being in the room when you are interviewing candidates. So, I don't know human beings about what's involved in a police chief. So, I would suggest that this board consider taking Trevor up on his offer to help. Diane, how many applicants for the police chief do we have now? I don't have any. You don't have any? No. Have we even advertised it? Nope. It's not. It's not. No. All right. We've got one because it's one in-house, but that's it. Yeah, that's it. And I don't have a copy of that. Okay. No. When were you going to post that? You want to talk to Trevor before we did? Oh, I was just saying what the pleasure of you folks are. I would ask, first of all, I'd ask Trevor to put together and let Bill look at it. And you guys need to approve that advertisement? Well, I'm not sure. We really would or not, but it wouldn't hurt to look at it. So you would approve it at your next meeting? Yeah. Okay, next meeting in August? Can you facilitate Trevor and Bill and you getting together? Yes. Yes. We'll have something for you guys a draft before the next meeting and then hopefully you have enough time to act on it then. Was there anything on the police chief recruitment? You know where, or have you heard anything to say where he thought the best advertising spots would be for that? Trevor gave us a list of free locations and then four pay locations. And we think we've got to take advantage of the free ones and you guys, if it's nominal costs, I could send that around to you guys. One was $100 base ads, $250, $200, $200. And anywhere from $80 to $1850. No, there's no. Yeah. But he has like two or three in here that are free as well. Anything else on the police chief recruitment, Tom? No. Any questions for Tom on this? That they have really delved into it yet? No, I mean, there's nothing to advertise with this one as possible. I really hate to wait till the next meeting too. OK. We do have this bid opening on 8.20. Yeah, let's do that then. We received one bid. I don't know what your protocol to open these dates. Abort them. We have one bid from Connor Contracting Incorporated. And the bid is from John P. Connor for a total cost of the job of $31,000. And the proposal is indicated as the repair of the wall in the town clerk's office. What was the insurance payment on that? Gosh, I think it was like $20,000 or $21,000. You can see what Dana had got with it. Yeah, $10,000. I can call the insurance company and get the familiar with it because Dana didn't give me the information. I can really get very specific as to what they were doing. Do we have specs now for the job? No, there's nothing specific other than just the basic bid form with the address and the amount and that it's a proposal to repair the wall in the town clerk's office for $31,000. But Dana, put that out. Did you put it with the insurances and whatnot? I don't know, Brad. I don't know. My sense is that this is the second time that bids were received? No. No. We had some estimate. OK, maybe that's what I was saying. Because I think the prices were in that ballpark. We decided to put it out today to see what happened. That's probably what I saw. I think before we go forward on that, you need to get a hold of Connor and see what his insurance is like for that. Because it does more damage than good than we would have to have some assurances that we're going to have to pay for it. I'm not sure that I ever saw the scope of what the actual work was. I don't know if the door's unlocked or not. Did you hear? No, as far as what went out to bid, what was fixed the wall? I did notice it said page three of three. So I'm wondering if maybe it was sent with additional documentation that maybe was decided that we didn't need that as part of it. Do you think it's hanging in here in the conference office? Well, if John wanted to see the damage. Oh, I thought you meant you wanted to see the document. No, yeah, I guess. Yeah, that's the document. I don't have it. It's price. Probably readily. I will gladly look in there, look in this office tomorrow, and I can call the insurance company to see where we stand on it. So at least we know where we're at. I think it was when he put that bed, I think it was just a repair of a wall. It was no roll, it was rather bad. Nothing else I'll call John. Yeah, see what's going on. Well, I was jumping around here. Wayne, come on down. Where do you want me? Where do you want me to be today? I don't know. I'm going to bring chairs every day. I think you're supposed to be in charge of the carless chair. I'm good right here. So I wanted to come and voice my opinion. I wasn't able to come to the joint meeting a week ago or so. I don't know if you know or not, but we were brought in because of the property we own on Payton Turnpike, and we were sold to buy into this town center and have our property be part of it. And then I didn't hear about it until the day of the meeting that we had been taken out of it. So I was disturbed by that. I've looked this over. I understand that the reason that our property was taken out of the town center zoning was that there are wetlands that create a problem to interconnect all the parcels to be part of the town center. But why was the mall property, why didn't we look at the other side of the wetlands? I mean, what determined the fact that the town center should be at the mall? Because basically, right now, this is a mall project. And another note that I made was it says in here that under next steps that the Berlin Mall's the largest taxpayer in town, I wish that was true. But I happen to know that it's not. So who's determining this and how did we get there? That's my question. You had our phone number when you wanted us in, but you forgot to call when we got passed out. That's what it feels like. I think because this is still a draft document. And we did meet, you know, Ken Morrison. We were looking to put together a grant application to connect the school to the new town center. I met with there several times. And I sent to the select board in their packets copies of the evolution of the new town center space. We as a, and this is the first one. So because of the size of Berlin, of the maximum amount of acreage that we could have in our new town center is 125 acres. So when we adopted our zoning last year, I've got the official map and it needs a time like both to do that, that process at best is 60 days, more likely 90 days to get it done. So what I sent you here is a ballot question for the November ballot that would allow these types of items of town plans, bylaws, and other regulatory tools to be approved at the select board level rather than the town-wide level. And what this does is as the new town center progresses, you may have to tweak a zoning regulation. You may have to tweak a master plan. And that under today's guidance may require a town-wide vote, which is 60 to 90 days out rather than a meeting with the select board and making an agreement with the party. And so we would ask you to look at this language, give it, discuss it, see what your folks' thoughts are. But, Carly, maybe you could talk about how the planning commission has been really looking to have this tool in the toolbox for quite some time now. Yeah, I think as the town grows, it really becomes impractical to require every change to the zoning, particularly after going through the process of completely revising the zoning and then immediately finding little things that need to be tweaked here and there that just don't quite work or that you couldn't foresee until you put an application through the actual document, through the rules. And it's just really impractical to have to, basically, we have to make a list and then try to put forward those changes for the next voting cycle because it's not worth calling a special election for, but it's things that really do need to be changed. So I think certainly as we grow and as we see more of this type of activity with the town center and the town plans, it just seems impractical. And I know it's probably a touchy subject, but what got me on board with it was the fact that it only takes 5% of the voters to sign a petition to get the select board to hold a town vote or the select board, if it was really controversial, could choose not to vote and to put it to a town vote. So I don't see it as being, as really taking rights away because I really, I think it's quite easy to, and for anything that you feel is too controversial or anything that the town decides after the fact is controversial, they could come forward and there's those mechanisms to correct it. So I personally think it's the best, most efficient option to running the town. So basically what you want is any housekeeping done from the select board, is anything more major to be done by the town? Yes. Yeah, it was a complete revision. I would expect the select board to probably say, we don't want to make this decision. We want the town to make the decision. But if it was a list of housekeeping items that we can show you from DRV meetings to explain why they need to be done, it could be something that the select board could just put through. We have to schedule, if anything's come, we have to schedule so far out to even anticipate when we can get a vote. Or we have to try to tag on to any kind of vote, that special vote that's already happening. It really creates timing issues and drags things out a lot. Exactly. If you have to hold a special election, that costs money. When do you make the decision that it's important enough to hold a special election for it? And I think larger than that, it's the cost of losing business. You may have something that you need done to get a developer involved. And you can't wait 90 days. And that, to me, is the true cost or the true loss to the town is that grand list loss, which is really the main component of why we're doing this Newtown Center. Particularly when you didn't foresee. Come, Brandy, can I add? Yeah, go ahead, Brandy. So from our meeting on Friday on Newtown Center partners, one of the things that you talked about in detail was the schedule. And that was a good conversation, I think, having Vermont laid out their timeline fairly well. And that's what's helpful for everyone else to hear. And they certainly, their perspective is sooner that Berlin can get to the downtown board and get the Newtown Center designation done and the better their chances of securing the funding that they need for that project. If you have to get the elements of the application package adopted by a vote, we're probably not going to be getting there tonight. If you guys could do it on the one board and adopt those elements that you see done, depending on how long the state takes to do their work you could be looking at January or February. So to change this, and since it's now written, you'd have to have a town-wide vote to do it. To adopt this? Yes. And when's the next town-wide vote coming up? November, so that's the next one. And if I could add it also, it will probably be one of the elections with the highest turnout in the near future. So at least a lot of the town will have an opportunity to weigh in on that. The rest of the board need more background on this. Or do I want to give a motion? Have to take a look for the next meeting then. Everybody a chance to look at this? I have a censure here. I do have a couple more questions about the Newtown Center boundaries. I don't know, is now not an appropriate time or is it going to use a minute or two? I'm just looking at the April 19 designation area. And then I'm looking at the June 29. And I've noticed we've included parking lots for CVH behind their buildings as part of the designation center. And some of the area here, I'm just trying to find a compromise to where we can use the piece that Wayne spoke about directly behind. Because I mean, I think we all know Wayne and know that he's likely going to develop that. And he has the, he'd likely be one of the first to build out. And if we're talking about economic development, that seems like a good thing if he was included, especially because he would build out fairly quickly. I think. So I'm just trying to figure out why we added parking lots and like this CVMC utility area, when if we took those out, it looks like just by this, that's about the same amount of space. I'm going to let Randy respond. But I think for the most part, the big issue is connectivity. And the idea that they didn't want us making a sort of weird looking piecemeal town center area. And keep in mind that this is to be a redevelopment area. So Wayne is nearly all greenfield. And so you have the wetlands issue, you have the greenfield issue. And I wish he was still here. He never expressed an interest on residential development. And I wish he was here. I bet he could talk about that. The new town center and the NDA, the benefits from Act 250 is for residential development. So again, I wish he was here so that we could ask for that. And I do plan to engage him. Because I think that finding out what the benefits are for the NDA, for him, whether they're there or not, I'm not familiar with all the ins and outs of that. And we did make the, well, the consultants thought it was better to add basically the hospital campus up until the power line. Because the hospital, I think, wants to be part of it and wants to be a good partner. And so I think that rather than because they felt like we couldn't make that leap to go over to Wayne's land because of the wetland issue. The compromise was to pull on the hospital. But again, if Randy wants to add to that, I will let her. Well, I've got two questions that maybe I'll get addressed to do the same sort of thing. I know that you said this was just a draft redraft. But I was wondering if you guys invited Wayne to get his input. See what you had to say about connectivity and things like that at that meeting you had Friday with all these other partners. And if you didn't, why you wouldn't have them invited if it's still in the draft phases. And also, I had heard that maybe Central Vermont Medical Center wasn't as interested as we thought. So I didn't know if you could elaborate on that at all. I think they've expressed a lot of interest. Again, they have a regulatory process that's because of their health institution that does not allow them to act as quickly as maybe we as the town would like them to have. So they can't commit yet because they have to go through this process. There's three or four different boards that they have to get approval from. But the conversations that we've had with the hospital is, Jim Alvarez, the vice president, he says they had 50 jobs that are going unfilled because of lack of adequate housing and transportation concerns. So from that standpoint, I think they are a very keen supporter of the housing aspect that the Newtown Center can bring. They threw out some really decent ideas to connect their campus with a skywalk to the Newtown Center. So their campus, their employees, their customers can be customers of our Newtown Center. And so I don't know what. That's the sense that I get. Maybe, Carly, you've been in those meetings as well. Is there a fully participating? I think so. I do think that they, because of the things you've already expressed, that it may pose some issues for them. And I also would love to see, honestly, I would love to see the big square. I really would. That was my vision in the beginning. And that's what I, and I'd love to see that happen. But unless we can't even manage to hook the school in, I don't know how we are going to be able to connect the back of the mall site to Wayne's land through that wetland. And if Wayne's willing to give us some ideas, I mean, maybe that's something we can rethink. But it's just it's going to be a big hurdle. And if we can't connect to it, the likelihood is the application is not going to be approved. It just seems like it is a contiguous piece of land there that fits together. I mean, once you're out in the school, it does look a little blocky. I don't know what you mean for sure. I'm just trying to make this a win-win for everyone. No, and I totally hear you. And I want to, because we wanted to, we did want to actually be able to bring a road through there. Because that would be a huge, you know, that would make it much more like a downtown to have more accessible areas. But I think it was just viewed as really not doable. It's not likely doable, that way. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Suspected you would have kept the people that we're on in the initial phase, like on through the process, taking that rational conclusion. I was curious why you've been, that's all. So it. There's a lot of women parts. Let me just put it that way, and sometimes things fall. So I just would like to ask the select board to review this document and get back with any questions. Because to advance this for the November meeting, we really need to get your consensus on it in your short order. So, thank you. Do we have any more questions for Brandy, by chance? Yes, Brandy. Yeah, go ahead, Brandy. Go ahead, Brandy. I had one point I wanted to bring up with the question of the land return type. And I guess I would draw the select board's attention to the statutory definition of what the new town center is. And we have a series of words, compact, pedestrian-friendly, multi-story, mixed-use development. And it was, it's my understanding from the conversations that you've had previously in the Dillon Embrace, that that's not the development pattern that's digesting for that land. If he was, I think the challenges of trying to solve the transportation connection problem, might be something the town wouldn't want to pursue. But if what he wants to develop doesn't actually meet those criteria, then it doesn't fit. And I think that's the other part of the problem is to get an understanding of what he was envisioning with the land and whether it meets that definition. I think if you, where we kind of ended up after the conversation with the state as to that preliminary map was done, which they were laughingly referring to as some sort of dinosaur, where we cut out all the wetlands, tried to get to the 125 acres and maximize the non-wetland area. And then they don't want to see a map link that comes before them for approval. They want a contiguous area for the mother's heart following property lines. And so that is another constraint that we have to work with. So if we're going to go in the direction of paint, in fact, it means not bringing the hospital on. The state was pretty positive about having the hospital and wanted to see that in there and thought that that would be because it is a major employer, but it was just a good idea. And so we've got the connection, the wetland and the what is the development pattern that's been given by the property owner. And if it's not gonna be misused, multi-story, developed and walkable and interconnected, then we're going to have a real challenge getting it approved by the state. Right, Brandy, did you ask Wayne if he was opposed to mix use on his property? Okay. It was my understanding that Tom, I think you had had one that you did not want to do any residential development. That's great. On that piece of land, he said that. Yeah, okay. Yeah, it just seems like if we cut out parking lots in some of the CVH area, you know that they do have a big workforce and that is certainly worth a lot to the whole downtown center. The idea of the is that there, when they do go to build their next medical office building, it will be within 260 yards of the Euston State Hospital. That's a federal requirement for them. And so they're going to be engaged in a new strategic planning process of their own to figure out what to move forward with. But they do envision that they're going to be building another medical office building. So which side of Fisher Road that is on and how they're going to rearrange their facilities isn't clear, but then definitely when they do get to the point of moving forward with a new project, it will be close to the Euston Hospital. That's if they build themselves, right? So if someone else was to build it and they lease it back, they don't have to go through that same process. No, even if someone else was to build it, it has nothing to do with the building. And so if the medical office building is located within 270 yards of the hospital, they get to, if there's nothing to do with insurance and building, they don't need to charge it. I think they get to print. And so it's like it could be an hospital practice or something like that. Yeah, I guess in my opinion, before we take action on this, I'd like to see Mr. Lamberton and Carla, maybe discuss a little bit more and see a potential another draft where we can get that property in here. Anything else on this? Anything else, Brandy? Did you put the resolution, the fiscal resolution on the agenda? I'm sorry, Grant, what was that I didn't hear you. Tony? No, I did not. So we can take that up next time. And then the other two, the other things I had on my agenda here were the notification letters. We need to send an official letter of notification to the Regional Planning Commission and the Economic Development Court, indicating the town's intention to apply for the designation. So those would be drafted on behalf of the board and sent so do you want to look at those again in two weeks or how do you want to handle those? I think, I thought we were going to put that on the Planning Commission's agenda next week and then come up with a document for the select board. Okay, and then the same with sending letters to the very city, affiliate city councils asking for support? Yes. Very good. Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong. I think this would be absolutely great, but I have a few concerns. There's one thing to, committing to the vision and working towards it over a number of years and doing what we can financially. But then on top of that, they're asking us to place some kind of municipal facility there, could be leased, but additional tax burden to make just to say, just to add it to the downtown designation. I mean, it seems like another big purchase by us in order to make this happen. It's concerning to some degree. And I understand why it'd be nice if the fire department could have been fit in there somehow for that reason or school, but it just concerns me that at some point we're going to have to talk about a new facility and likely place it there. And how are we going to pay for that on top of infrastructure and these projects that we have going here? All good questions, they all need answers. And that's why you may recall at the meeting on the 22nd, we were going to do a municipal facilities review for the town and what's needed. So that's part of the whole process. It's none of these questions, not all these questions aren't going to be answered. It's going to take some time. So we can get through to that point of property then. I don't think there's any. I think we're going to buy one out of those little job trades putting Tim Davis over there. That would work. Anything else on this? Thank you, Brandy. Thank you, good evening. You too. Thank you all, thank you very much. Thank you, Brandy. Tim Davis, rogue Brandy. Everybody, Jeff Slade, no cap. If there's any questions that you guys can answer. Jeff Slade. Good evening, Jeff. How you doing? Jeff, can you play last night, Marie? S is in Sam, L is in Lincoln, A is in Adam, D is in Dog, E is in Edward. Thank you. Yep. So what's the good news? Sun's out, ain't raining. We need it in the bad way. Hopefully it's not all on time. Huh? What's up with the grader? So, like we talked about there at the last meeting, we've got some maintenance issues that need to be taken care of. We got a quote for it. And then there's the other side of it is, is it that we do, do we put a bunch of money into it to get it back up to where it needs to be or do we look at buying a new one? So, we've got some quotes. So take yours. What year is the grader, Tim? 2009. Six. Six, sorry. We took purchase of it, I think it was nine, at least that's when the record started. It was 2006. And you said you just had some oil samples taken and showing some? We haven't, we took one, well, then less than a hundred hours we got. So what about the oil samples are maybe folks don't know? Taking an oil sample, it gets sent back out to a lab. They run it through things and machine and find out if there's any imperfections in the oil. And the last sample came back with copper deposits in it and stuff, but without opening that up. So what's the estimate to repair the current grader, including tires? To the exact, or just roughly? Roughly, I've got about a 60. Yeah, about. What's it doing? Well, right now we have a price. So, I think. Are you here to negotiate on the price of this? I'm basically here to answer any questions you may have. I don't want to necessarily get in the middle of, you know, whether you should, whether you shouldn't, that sort of thing. But what I can tell you on the surface at 35,000 feet is there isn't a better time than right now by a motor grader. We have two additional discounts that we didn't have last year. I can't say whether they're gonna be here next year or not. One is about 30,000, the other is about 20,000. So conceivably, you could be looking at spending 50,000 less to do something now. If you wait until next year, the value of your trade is gonna go down. You may have to invest the money into it to get it up the snuff. So what the town has to do is balance. Does it make sense to spend some money? Are you gonna get some of that back? Any of that back, you know, in a trade next year? What is the new machine gonna cost? I mean, there's a lot of things that you have to actually throw around. Cap Financial does do a 10-year lease purchase. It's 3.35%, which is not a bad rate. At the end of the 10 years, the piece of equipment becomes yours, and it makes it a little more palatable for municipality to enter into something like this because it's a big ticket item. And I think the number was just over 27,000 a year for 10 years. So the way that the number comes out, the new machine set up, the way that Tim wants it set up is 300,000. We're giving you 65,000 for your machine, and that's a very, very stout number for what the machine is in 2006. Right now, there's an incredible demand for machines like that overseas. Again, that's part of the drive to have that number so high as a trade value. If that market goes away, that number could drop in half. So again, I think the town is faced right now with a pretty good spot to purchase a grater for the lowest possible cost, plus get a very high value for the trade, even though it has some maintenance issues. So it's almost with everything for the maintenance costs. It's almost just short of 42,000. And then it was... Excuse me, Tim, 42,000 was the repairs? Yes. Okay. And then depending on... With the tires? No, depending on what brand of tires through state municipal pricing, it was anywhere from 1200 to 1400, a tire. So it's between 8,000 and 9,000 for six tires for as well. So it's right around 50. So those repairs was that. I mean, that was everything mechanically was... Yeah, parking brake, mold board, the front hub, and then there's... That was parts and labor? I believe so. Yeah, just... Yeah, parts and labor. Now, what about 6,800 hours? Is that typically a lot on that piece of equipment? And I know it gets worked hard, but so... There's a demand for it overseas, it must be theoretically... It is actually lower hours, but different locations, different municipalities utilize them differently. So some may have a higher hour, lower demand or workload on the machine. Some towns will have lower hours, but that's 2006 with what, 60? 6,400-ish hours is pretty low hours. That's what drives that overseas demand for that machine. What will happen is that machine, if we were to get it or somebody was to get it that did this, it would actually get shipped overseas, someone would actually do a quick... They're not gonna do this thorough job, it's what we would do. They would actually go through the machine a little bit, tighten it up, do some things to it, and then they'll get a pretty good dollar for it over there. There's a lot of companies that actually do that as a business, because there's a very big demand for those older non-emissioned machines overseas. And Tim, the hour meter, has it been functioning an entire time we've owned it? As far as I know, I went back with the hours and over the last, just went back three years totaled it and each year it's increasing by about 50 hours, 50 to 70 hours every year more. And then this year we're not even halfway through the year and we're almost, we're over 300 hours now. So it's gonna be well, probably close to 600 hours this year. The only thing I can think of is we've had some pretty good snow loads the last couple of years and the increased traffic, there's just more and more cars on the road to get more grading in. Jeff, it's not a fair question, but I'm gonna ask it. If we did the repairs, what would you expect we would get out of this machine? So if you spent 40,000, it's short of the tires. I mean, the tires, the tires probably, you'd get half your money back. The repairs, you're probably gonna get 20% because it's something people can't see. So we can say that it's had this tightened up or that tightened up or this redone, but it's not visual, a visual thing will actually get additional funds on a sale. So tires as an example, somebody would look at that and say, geez, those are really nice tires. It could be a 3,000 of the six you may spend. You're asking, how long would this, if we did the repairs, how long would it last? I'm sorry. Well, that's a tough question. That's why I said it's not a fair question. I mean, and who's to say you're gonna do the transmission or do the engine? Who's to say that in six months, the transmission goes, one of the worst things, and again, I'm not saying you should do this, but one of the worst things you can do is freshen off an engine and not take care of the transmission because what you're doing is, you got a transmission that's this old and it's had this many hours on it, the engine actually matched that timeframe and now you're gonna freshen the engine up so it's gonna be at high horsepower and you're gonna mate it up to a transmission that is actually still extremely old. Many times when a situation like this arises, someone would look at doing the transmission at the same time as a preventative thing versus doing it before failure because if it fails, then you're in a worse position because it could take some other things out. So again, the engine's coming out, transmission's easier to get out. If you're gonna do the transmission at a later time, you gotta pull the engine to get the transmission out, which are... So the quote you have now doesn't include the transmission, right? So what's the transmission called? What does it include for engine work? I don't remember it. No, this quote doesn't include any engine here. Oh, I thought that included the engine. I thought it was engine work. No. Oh, okay, I'm sorry. No, the quote is just for the hub, the no-board. No, I'm sorry. I thought there was engine work in it. So you told us what yearly payment would be, $27,000. After all incentives, after the trade-in, what's the bottom dollar amount? $235. You're probably seeing it in there, man. They gotta fix the parking lot. You're gonna borrow the money from yourselves, and it's 3.25% high right now. Finance to yourselves for a percent. I don't know what's your... I did call the banks, three different banks, and asked them about that, as far as what we could get for a rate. And the lowest I got was 2% for 10 years, and so the payment would be like $26,000 a year, over $26,000 a year. Something. Yeah. The bottom dollar you were saying, $235,000 for the machine, that's with the trade? Correct. And what about the incentives you were talking about? It's all built in. So that machine, if you were a contractor, that machine would be about $600,000. Yeah. And it's $300,000. So there's incredible discounts right out of the box, and then there's an additional, some 50-some-odd thousand that drops that down to $300,000. Oh, that's what that was all about. What did you get with this for a couple of police cruises? I don't know what you're talking about. Seven years. 4,000-odd? 4,000-odd. 4,000-odd. Tim, you were gonna get a quote on of just a random machine, if it went down? Yeah, I spoke with Jeff also for a quote, so if we didn't do, if we did some stuff, and for seeing the circumstances of it, if it broke and we didn't have it for a month or whatever, on top of the maintenance prices to fix it, to rent one through them at a discounted price because we're a customer is 9,000 a month. It would be 11,000 normal and then 3,000 a week on top of the maintenance if something happens between not to say that there's even one that's available, I don't know what. I mean, typically we have graders in stock to rent. There are times of the year that were tight. I mean, spring is usually a bad time because everybody's trying to catch up on their old grading so even municipalities will rent an extra machine so that they can have two graders out trying to catch up. But typically we always have graders sitting on the ground. Again, as Tim said, our normal rental rate is 11,000 a month, but if you guys are customers of ours, if the machine is in our shop getting repairs done, we do provide a discount for that. So it would be 9,000 a month. You have any good deals on graders that are sitting there like this one when we purchased in 2009, that was three years old? No, we don't. What happens in the world today, and it was different than, literally different than when you purchased the last one, Caterpillar, the way that they do their discounts and discounting structure, once we rent a machine, we can't take municipal discount on that machine. So we're back to that high price on the machine, and yes, rental comes off of that, but we aren't able to take governmental discount off a rental unit. So it really makes it difficult for us when we have a machine with 1,000 hours on it, per se, that we can't actually try to sell that to a governmental agency, because we start with that high value again, like a contractor's gonna pay. So typically those rental units get sold to a contractor, not a governmental agency. So very seldom are we able to sell a machine with hours on it to a governmental agency. They're all brand new, just because of those governmental discounts and the huge discount that you receive. I actually, I brought it over here. I didn't know if you guys would want to look at it or just kind of, but the option was there. Are you gonna want to scrape with it? No. Can if you want. No. There is a lag in time as well of getting one. As you know, we're not sitting here with these masks on or in a little world situation right now. So what has happened is parts and pieces of manufacturing kind of winged off. Things are starting to pick back up, but there's this big lag of time that's catching up. And right now we're looking at, I looked before I came up here at the last grader that we just ordered last week for a town that is in a little bit of the same situation. And it's three and a half months when we ordered the machine to the expected date that that machine will be delivered to us. So there is a time lag. So if we purchase and our machine dies in that three month period we're waiting, will you not charge us rent on one or will you take the rent off with a new one? So that's a difficult situation for everybody we cross our fingers and we hope that nothing happens. Many times nothing happens and everybody gets through unscathed. So the answer's not like no. Well, I'm not gonna say flat out no. We're there to work with people and we do work with customers. We try to find some mutual ground. We've had situations that have been negative if you will and something happened. We work with the town. It's not that you need a grader every single day. You know, if we can work a schedule out where we give you a grader for a week and we pull it back and I mean we're here to work with you and try to make something that is palatable for everybody. We don't necessarily make a tremendous amount of money selling to governmental agencies. So it's not like we got tons and tons of money in this deal that we could just give you something for free but we're here to help in any way we can and just, again, cross our fingers that nothing does happen. So if the select were decided to purchase a new one, we don't give you ours right away. Correct. We wait until the, we didn't have months of time. We would, in 99% of cases, we would deliver the new machine to you and take the old one away. If, again, let's, God forbid, say something happened, we may say, well, the machine can't be used. We're gonna take it, we, you know, work out that loaner, rental, discounted rent, whatever we do for program and we may look at taking that machine, you know, the trade at that point. If it's not workable then there's no sense in having to sit here but those are all logistics. We could work out. The old sample that was done to the grader a month or so ago just showed it had high copper, nothing else, nothing else was in the normal range. Any ideas as to why it has high copper in the oil? It's not, I mean, it's not a bearing because a bearing, you know, all sorts of metals in the oil. I mean, I just think the radiator, oil cooler or radiator says in the report that it's copper high deposits, possible bearing or thrust wear. Copper may also be from cooler of oil, coolers, filters, if not already done, all it says on the report. I mean, as the bearing material isn't just copper, it's, it's, we'll end in a few others thrown in there too and those all came back in the normal range. Lithium is low. Yeah, there's no, there's no others. The only one that was in the red zone was copper. Yeah. And then we're getting, I mean, it doesn't, I'd have to look back because it didn't get written down anywhere as on when the hours were when it, well, I mean, they changed the oil a lot. It never got documented. It was before, I mean, it wasn't documented. But it's not the hours were on that sheet. We had a copy of that at one of our board meetings and I thought the hours were somewhere on there. I think we all can agree at 2006. 14 years is a long for a piece of oil. That was, I don't know if it was a purchase in 2006 but that was manufactured and I, we bought it used. It had low hours, a couple hundred hours on it. We bought it in 2007. Yeah, 2007. I don't know, it's a appreciation schedule. Did you find the hours, Kim? No, for when this sample was taken. When is the greater due for another service? Could we talk about a federal reserve fund for equipment and money in it? Well, very little about, on the highway, we have a couple of reserves that total almost 20,000 years ago and then in our 2021 budget, we have 250,000 but that's, you know, there could be culverts that could be part of the greater. It could be any number of things. Right around probably 120 to 140 hours before it needs another service. Maybe hours a week, maybe, but not it. Right now, not too too many because it's so dry out, trying not to grade as much as possible. So we're not just putting the chloride to it to keep it down. So it's right now, not so much, but to go back, it's, you know what I mean? When spring time, fall time, it's anywhere from, you know, you're putting 40 hour a week, you're putting 30 hours on a week. All right, just trying to figure it out. How many hours you put on it before you go out and you put it into a service? It's been 500 since they switched to that Schaefer's oil. That's what they recommended. It's the same as the trucks. They've been running 500 hours on an oil change. That's being offered on Hill. All I can say is that the structure that we're in right now is the end of this year. End of the year. And I can't look to see what's gonna happen, you know, in 2021, but they're through this year. Jeff, with the thorough stimulus money coming down to the States, have you heard, is any of that money available to municipalities for this kind of purchase? I have not heard that. You could always grab an oil sample now, if that's... We could do one early. Then we could research the question you just had as well, Tom. I think the key thing that keeps going through my head is, you know, it is 14, almost 15 years old. There's $42,000, $50,000 worth of repairs without any potential engine thing, if all of that was great. You knock that off the price, you're down to $180,000. Right. Right? And you'd have a brand new piece of equipment. And $9,000 a month for rental, if it dies. Yeah. If we were to purchase, hypothetically, we went forward, is there something that could be put into the contract, a negotiation per se, in terms of, I know you mentioned crossing our fingers, but is there something that could actually be built into the contract to assist us if we did get in a true buying? Because $9,000 a month is quite a bit on top of the purchase. Definitely put something in writing, sure. There was, you know, fear for both sides. Sure. Thank you. I thought when you and I had spoken about this there, that one was, there was one available now, and it wasn't three and a half months out. No, that's the John Deere. John Deere has one. It's not exactly, you know what I mean? There's a few different implements and whatnot. They have one in Springfield, they said, but it's also 50,000, close to 50,000 more. But no matter what, I mean, before we do anything, how close is that to bid? Mm-hmm. Right. So I thought we'd get it. We have bids from both companies. Okay, that's what we get. And the John Deere was? He gave two because he had one and then he gave a bid for, if we purchased one. The one that was in stock was a little bit more. What was the date of that? This? Yeah, it was that before you came on board or after? No, this is just two weeks ago, if not less. Okay. So John Deere's is $278,500. And then Jess is $235,000. And Shane, no, $235,000. $235,000, even. That's the difference on the machine. We're 2,500 pounds heavier than the Deere is. They're, I mean, they're as comparable as two separate pieces of equipment can be. They're similar in size. There's just 2,500 pounds heavier. The horsepower's just about the same. They're both 14-foot mobile boards. So they're all wheel drive. Yeah, they're, you know what I mean? The John Deere's is $772,000. And theirs is a 140 all wheel. So it's just the numbers of difference, but they're. As close as you can. Yeah. Is the estimation on delivery the same with John Deere as it is with Kat, three and a half months out? To buy one, to have them build one. They didn't say exactly, but it's probably close. But then again, they had one down there, but that was, he said he was also giving a bid to another town for that grater as well. Do graders ever come up in the state options? I'm not going to do that in the state options. No, there is nothing recently about a state, the online state option, and I wondered if graders are ever included. Occasionally, the state will get rid of a grater. I mean, the state has 2008 graders. I see. That's the newest grader that they bought, so it's not a whole lot of what you have. And they probably get snapped up pretty quickly. I don't know if they do. And the problem with those was being able to do diligence on them in a timely manner to grab oil samples and that's sometimes difficult. It's always difficult buying used. True. I mean, we, I talked to Tim earlier, I mean, Caterpillar has graters sitting on the ground and it's much like what he talked about, dear, it's not exactly what you're looking for. So it's going to be more. So again, trying to do due diligence for the town, you try to save as much money as you can. So it would be an ordered machine. And again, if you're willing to spend a little more money, we could do something sooner. But you know, that's always that catch 22. You want to save money. So you want to have to order it. What happened till the end of this season? Anyhow. Yeah, I reckon we're rolling the dice for ordering less expensive one that Tim just rolled the dice from that it's going to make it. You are coming into your slower season. Yeah, we're coming into our repairs. Necessarily. Just before fall, everything's going to get shaped back up. Road's going to get taken back out. The crown's taken some out for the winter. You know what I mean? There's quite a bit of grading in the fall that's going to get done and get rid of all the potholes before everything freezes up and gets gone before we start clowning snow. Right, I was just saying. Yeah, the repair. You know what I mean? It doesn't look this year obviously before the end of the season. I was that bad. Yeah, I don't even know how far back the shop would be. If that was an option, they'd probably try to ask us to wait till winter. Well, I would say that in another week or two, just pull a sample, send it in, give us a report, see what it says. Meantime, we should have it for next meeting. And we'll have it before the board then. I like that information from the oil sample and you can take and write up your sales agreement and include your language for the rental of another machine if it's when you should go down. We'll have that to look at too. Do we have any pieces of equipment coming off from the books as far as payments? No, and right now we have, including the bond for this building, we have $81,492 worth of payments. That's right now. And another two years we'll have another piece of equipment that'll come off. And then if we add another $25,000, we're looking at $107,000 in bond for this building. Well, just a balance on that piece of equipment that's gonna be paid off in two years. I don't have what the balances are right now. I could have it for the next meeting. What's the piece of equipment? We've got, there is a truck that's from 2016. I don't have exact description of it. And then another truck from 2017. Those are coming off the next couple years. And then we just bought one in 2019. We still have four years on that one. Any more questions for Tim or? Thank you both very much. We appreciate you both. Thank you. Thanks, Tim. Thanks. Did you, I don't know if I would have done this on time. So what? The truck. The, then you wanna do a little bit of work to a dump truck. Oh, we can talk about it now. I was just talking with Justin the other day that the older of the three ten wheelers, I was, I did some little bit of research. I haven't gotten a quote yet, but we were looking at maybe sandblasting the body and bear with the frame rails and repainting everything. Just to kind of help it for longevity. And then hopefully at the point of trade in, you know what I mean? It'll be in better condition. We'll get some more money for it. I spoke with the mechanic from Barry city. They use Clark's collision himself, Barry, they give free estimates. I was gonna take the truck down and just see if I could get a free estimate just to even see where we start with the ballpark on. They actually, they'll do it one of two ways. They'll sandblast it and then we can paint it. And they'll give us a quote that they will sandblast it and paint it. And then Tom also, let me see Justin's got it right there. The maintenance form was in the packet that got started today. I don't know if you guys have any questions. It's just, it's a weekly form. As far as the trucks go, you can see on the top corner there, there's a daily checklist for that equipment and then hours and it's recorded daily. And then at the end of the week, I'm making folders for each piece of equipment, trucks load a greater and it's gonna go into a folder. And then also, if something goes to Clark's, most of it's under warranty anyways, but I get a slip of what happened to it whether like TJ's truck just had a windshield put in it under warranty because they believe the seal was leaking. So when I get that paperwork back, that's gonna go in the folder as well with those. And then again, they've been doing it right along on a monthly basis. Every month, the hours get put in and then if the oil gets changed, that gets entered in, so on and so forth there. So this is just more of a daily to do on that morning. It's gonna help the slick work when it comes time to budget because this isn't a database. You're gonna be able to pull hours on pieces of equipment, what you've spent on that piece of equipment on any period of time in an Excel spreadsheet and say you've absorbed it and so it's gonna give you a very big data for budgeting purposes. It also helps with DOT compliance, you know, so it's a good thing. Thanks for doing this. Thanks for all the expenses. I'm gonna start keeping the slipped in with the truck in each folder so it's more organized. So when you want something, you know what I mean? You can just look at what truck it is, go back and find. Well, the top point about budgeting, one of my questions is always, you know, add a piece of equipment is super expensive to run. Okay, well, how much does it cost us a year? If you keep that stuff, we'll know. Right? $3,000 in repairs a year, okay, and man hours. It makes it this season easier. Is there any questions on that? Thank you for putting this in place. Yeah, thank you. Good job, Tim. Thank you. Thank you, Tim. All right. Yep. Thank you. Have a good evening. We'll see you guys later. Sure thing. Fisher Road Colbert. Right, James Ordon, you want his call? Hello? Who's on our call here? Jay? Hold on a second. Turn you up. I'm sorry. Who are you? Oh, okay. Okay, Pam, we're not through you yet, but give us a little time. Okay. So Fisher Road Colbert, Robert Clark, I'd agree. He is on vacation, he was gonna try to attend, but he had one bar at the campground he was at, so I'm gonna wing it. I said to you guys, some photographs, I think you guys, they've seen these, that we took on Fisher Road Colbert, the bottom of it's out. As you likely know, we're doing our paint turn pipe north project. Let me come up that area. We think it would be beneficial to the town, to repair this Colbert at that time. There's two types of repairs. One of them is about a 60 year repair, and one of them is about a 30 year repair. The 60 year repair is probably about 400K. The 30 year repairs, which is basically sleeving, putting another pipe inside of this pipe, assuming we can get the permits that we need that the state allows us to do that, the pipe itself is 75K, and then there's the installation, so another 20, 25K. I'm just throwing that out. So something, there's a whole series of these photographs, and we already had one issue with there, it's a critical component in the town. You have the hospital's 12 inch water line there, you have the town's water line, we're putting a new force mate in there. I really want to encourage the SLEC board to get this done as part of our paint termite project. We could just issue a change order to our contractor there, and the pieces I think are two weeks out of the sleeve, and then I think it's two weeks out. It is, don't say how far it's out, the other option is a box culvert in it, it's 16 weeks out, and which puts us into next year, which puts us into having to pump sewage, it's just, though I would personally prefer a box culvert, the timing is, SLEC board really should give consideration to sleeving this, and going that route. Sounds like we could sleeve it four times should the price of the box culvert. If you get the regulatory agencies to agree to that, they have changed there, so it looks like we're gonna need a river management engineers approval, we're gonna need a wetlands, they're the state's wetlands ecologist and Army Corps of Engineers permit, so we've got some work to do, and Otter Creek, I would suggest that the SLEC board allow Otter Creek to begin the design and permitting of this. There are the engineers on the Payne Turnpike North Project to get this thing done here in this construction season. How much do you say was supposed to sleeve it? You're bringing around what, this under $100,000? Yeah, the SLEC itself is $75,000, and so I'm just saying $25,000, I don't know, $25,000 to do nor. We have in reserve $96,000. Now, originally we were gonna do that for the Richardson Road culvert, so far we've invested $7,400 into the Richardson Road culvert, I don't know what's happening with that right now. This is a more critical culvert in Richardson Road, yeah. I agree. Being rich in the road is gonna be some bailing bridge somewhere that we could guess. Absolutely. Slapped in there, called it a day, yeah. Dana did tell me, he had called the state to see if there would be any help from them available, and they said no, it just didn't happen. Well, we're about what, $4,000 short of the payment of money we need to do if it is under half thousand. Yeah, and probably we'll be more because of the engineering, but yes, we do have that. And we probably have to be sure that that's what they will do it for, the $75,000 and the $25,000 to be. To be honest with you, Flo, if it's $120,000, you should spend $120,000. Don't hold this for $100,000. No, I thought, I thought Dana, before he left, had said he was gonna reach out and get a firm price, you know, he may have ran short of time. Is that what that is, or is that a response to that? I don't think so, this was. Just so I remember correctly, the company that's doing the construction work down there would do this work, we wouldn't bid it out because it's the same company already there. All right, okay. So what's the board's pleasure here? I would take it and say by consensus to have Tom do the research. Absolutely. Most definitely. Yeah. Then once you have some firm prices, Tom, you don't have much we've got. Get with Diane and see what we can do. Okay, we'll do Diane. Thank you. Thank you, Tom. Thank you, Diane. Thank you. Okay. But I do agree that that cohort needs to be fixed. Right. But sooner than later. So I guess, you know, thinking about that, I always like to know a stuff cost before we commit to it too, but in this situation, we're gonna have to do this work one way or the other, right? So should we get them started on ordering the Colvert because it's eight weeks out? Well, I mean, the thing there would be to get a firm price of the Colvert. I mean, as long as, let's just say we put a cap of 100,000 on this project. Anything over that, they come back to us and see what we can do. Just to bring up a good point, are we definitely gonna be able to get the permit too? Yes, but the thing there is, I mean, with the photos, I mean, there is a need. The permitting may still take a little time, but I can't believe there's gonna be an argument that it's going to take and hold up this project. I agree with you, Brad. What do you mean by that? So you think that, I mean, you think we can, we're gonna have to say. I'm not gonna say we should just take the penalty later. What I'm saying is that the agency is not gonna take and hold up this project because it is a critical nature. It's a critical nature. Yeah, almost near emergency repair. So what do you think the timeframe is to actually get the permit so we can know what exactly we can order? Tom will tell us next meeting. I will hopefully tell you before then. The 74, 74-3 is from the, is from contact engineering solutions. They are the types of locks and pliers, that's a firm price for them without piece of material. And do they take and offer installation or is that just the piping thing? I don't think they do installation. They would hire new boys to do it. Well, is that who's down there now? Burning, yes. So I would get a hold of the do-boys and see if they could do the work. They help, they can't. Okay. They have not given me a cold yet on it. Okay. I just press a little. Yes. Press a little bit on it. Yes. That's a good suggestion. Yes, they can do the work. Okay. Anything else on the cold work problem? No, thank you, this is critical. Okay. I think we're to Pam. I think we did everything else here. I think we're to the town campus stormwater treatment. Yep. Pam, are you there? I'm here again. I don't think he's on the call. So it's just us. Well, that's your funding for the clean water block ramp. This is the same funding that we got to do the final design for the stormwater treatment at the town office. It's about $57,000 for the construction. And PVRCC has already procured one thing to do the construction oversight and the big phase with the town. And I guess it's a big question for the select board tonight, Pam. You wanted us to come and talk about the project and whether or not you just wanted to pursue getting a bid at this summer for construction this season. All right, and Pam, hey, Pam. Pam, Pam, I've got, so since my conversation with Chris, I've talked to some contractors. So I think it would behoove us to bid it for this construction season yet. If they come in there, they're out of whack, then we could re-bid it for the spring. So you know that, you know, 2021 to construct, if the bids are totally out of whack, then we bid next spring, that's not a problem. So does the select board need to, excuse me, Pam. Well, this one, so does the select board need, hold on, Pam, does the select board need to make a motion to bid it or? Probably, or we can do it by consensus, but it won't take more than a second to do a motion to bid it. Okay, so I'm recommending that we bid it for this construction season. They're ready to go, the engineer's ready to go. And again, I talked to a couple of contractors and I thought maybe they'd be straight out with COVID and I get, since I got this, we get some competitive bids on this because it's just, it's a small piece works, it's 60K, it's not a big project, maybe something that they fill in at the end of the year, so. I'll make a motion to put out an RFP for the garage storm water improvements. Second. Any further discussion? All in favor? All right, those are carries. Okay, Pam, we're gonna bid it. That's great, I just have one more thing. Our executive committee met today and they just will give us the approval to forward a draft of, not a draft, a final MOA to you guys, or it's actually a contract, not an MOA, it's being CDR teaching in this town, you're teaching it and our teaching it and is this somebody else's name? Would that be yours, Tom? Yes. Yes. So we'll change the name to UConn and send it your way again. I sent it to you the other day with a big draft on it, but I'll send it your way for signature, so I don't know if this one board needs to authorize you to sign that contract or not as well. I would say. They're saying yes, they do need to do that. So do you need, so what I'll do is, does the piece have been in the contract yet? Is it all that I sent you, Tom? Is Dana sure that we've done it? No, they have not seen it. What we'll do is I'll change your name to it and email it to you. You don't have to have this go out to bid, but you have to have this signed with us to actually hire the construction company. Yeah, okay. If that makes sense. We tend to do the bid process, but you can't contract with anybody until you're contracted at this time, so that's just being an opportunity to show this to the select board and get their approval for signature. Okay, and you said that's coming tomorrow? Yeah, I'll get, yeah, I'll get, I should get a meeting with Bonnie tomorrow. Okay. I'm going to make sure. All right. The executive committee may have had some questions, so I just want to make sure that I address the thing on their end. Okay, sounds good. Do you need anything else from us? Do you have any questions on their end here inside the train? No, he and I went over it. No, he and I went over it last week, so I'm good. Thank you very much, everyone. Thank you very much. Thank you, ma'am. I may suggest that you guys allow me and it, and a select board member to review it and sign it. And I mean, it seems to me, unless you want to wait two weeks, it's a small project. Or just give me the approval to do it. It's not like I don't have a background in it. Yeah. Your emotion on this? Well, where are you looking for emotion? Motion to allow Tom to take point on this. Just, you know, maybe you did that very standard. What's the cost of the contract? It's, it's, it's, it's, it's their, they get reimbursed part of their action. I don't know if it's actually a dollar or not that we're, we're paying them. It's just, it's this, that they are our consultant in this matter. Again. I don't remember there ever being a dollar or not. This was a state program that was basically a grant. So they're getting paid directly from the state? That's my understanding, but again, I, that's what I think, not what I know. So that's dangerous. Well, that's what I understood it from Dana. That it was, it was, we need to discuss it at the meeting. You know, we first started this, and it was a state grant. The town was going to be out of anything on it. I think though, normally I have to pay for it first, turn in all the paperwork, and then we get reimbursed. It sounds like she can wait two weeks too, if you want to wait. Well, since we're kind of unclear on the, exactly how it works, you probably should take a look at it. You know, I mean just. I'll send it around to you guys as soon as I get it. Okay. Thank you, Tom. So that's the store order. That's what we added to the agenda. I added to the agenda. And then the liquor board needs to be, as well. And we also need to approve the licenses, permits, vouchers. Yeah. So, so you have there, Brad, a copy of, this is for the paying term by North Sewer Project, a request of payment to Du Bois of $358,461.95. It's been submitted by Ray Washburn of Du Bois Construction has been reviewed by our engineer, Robert Clark, of the Public Work Board's engineer, Robert Clark. And he signed off on that payment. You, the slide for reviews and signs, because. Under owner? Yes, because the Public Work Board cannot borrow money. The money we're borrowing is. Right, this is the sign for. Yes. Yes. There's two of them. So a motion to have the chair sign. Is that the first payment? What's the second payment? There's two payments in there. Oh, there's two payments in there, so. So move. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. The Apollo motion carries. Thank you. Just a little of, the project's going well. I don't know if you've been down to see it. We've had some good news on it. The amount of ledge material that we bid is about 72% more than what we actually need to do. So we've got a fairly significant savings on that project right now. My one concern is that the timing of, because we lost six weeks to COVID, is that we may not get all of our paving done this year. If we don't get our paving done and we have to carry internal financing over into the next year, I'd guesstimate it at about 15 to 20K extra cost. So the Public Work Board's gonna have a, so I get a better handle on where we're gonna land, to actually not include the paving in the contract, close it out, USD, take it over, save us that 20K, and then go through whatever other means that we pay it to pay it next year. Okay, so approval licenses, permits, vouchers, and applications, there's two here, Brad. First one is for Twin City, you may know they have that. That's the liquor? Yes. I'm sorry, sorry, sorry. I make the motion to approve payroll warrant 21-03 for payroll from July 5th, 2020 to August 1st, 2020, paid on August 5th, 2020 in the amount of $41,178.37. Also payroll warrant 21-03 with check 2399 to 2421 in the amount of $90,126.36. Second. All those, any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Those opposed, motion carries. Now let's convene the liquor board to recess this liquor in the name of William Ward. I second the motion. All in favor? All right. Let's get this good time rolling, all right? All right, well, it seems kind of silly to do all that, but okay, the first one is for Twin City Lanes. You may know they have that outdoor seating, so it's a seasonal thing. Thank you, Diane. Thank you. Thank you. And I think they've been doing it for a couple of years. So that's the first one, Twin City Lanes. And the second one is for license for the Chinese restaurant, the buffet. The Moon? The Moon? Yes, make China Moon Buffet. It used to be the Moon. China Moon. China Moon. The motion on these? I make the motion to approve both as presented by Tom Madalski just now. Second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. All right, those opposed, motion carries. You sign up a little tabby, please. All right. Move to a region meeting, a select board meeting. Move to adjournment. Motion for the approval of select board minutes from 7.20. I don't think you guys have it. I didn't see them in the packet. I haven't seen them yet, so I don't think you guys have them. Okay, round table. Yeah, round table. Justice, please, Steve. We did talk about that in your tardiness. In my tardiness, yep. Quick conversation, I guess? Yeah, it was pretty quick. We can go back to that if you want a little bit. I just was looking at the outstanding items. There's less, got some just kind of shorter than it used to be with a lot of little stuff. We'd been working on like a class four road policy, we'd had some other, what else, where are we at with the, I don't know where we're at with the forester, but I just like some updates on some of these outstanding items. The tree tap, the tree tap, anything, yeah, that's on here. And I'd like to make sure we add the road policy we were working on. I don't know if they're gonna talk to you at all about that. Well, you had me a folder on the tree tapping and be honest with you, I haven't. Have you heard anything from Rose B? She's the forester they hired to book and cruise the land. I have no idea. No. Brad, did you see, I think it was in the Times Argus that the company responded to the allegations of their tree tapping in the Berlin town forest? Did you see that article? No. Someone had sent it to me. We have an email with a letter of their response from Dana. That was to the Times Argus, wasn't it? It wasn't that in the Times Argus? That was in response to the article on the Times Argus, but I didn't see it. That's what it was. It was published in the Times Argus. Oh, okay. The Times Argus thing? Yep. I think, oh, they all have to sign it, wasn't it? Yeah. So, yeah, on that tree tap, on the tree tapping, we, the conservation committee hired Rose B to go up and cruise it, find the boundary lines, do an estimate on what damage was done, and then we were supposed to go for there. Do you know, have you followed any history of that or why that's on there? I vaguely heard stuff on it. Basically, just to assess the overall situation and get to the fact that we were, in fact, on the town. Rough country up there, isn't it? Yeah, I can't think of anything else. Maybe what I'll do is I'll look through some of my old emails. Well, the thing, I mean, you still haven't said you're rich as a road covert, open, there's a few other things there. There was something that you sent me, Brad. Oh, I've got a point. Oh, Lover's Lane Bridge too. I was just gonna say the Lover's Lane Bridge for sure. Yeah, Lover's Lane Bridge, yeah. The decking on that. Decking on that. Yeah. Right, the class quarter. Dan had pretty good listed put together at once in one of our packets to the class four. Well, it should be on Dan's computer to look it up. To be able to do a quick search of it. Oh, yeah, I'll leave the email. That'll be very helpful as doing searches on the drive. What do we do for security when we have a employee like that leave for the email access and all that just to ensure the town doesn't have issues? I think there's, he must have left his password. He's given Diane a high list of the passwords he's put. So he just actually sometimes changed them? Yeah, one I have about three times. Yeah. Okay, anything else on Ron's clothes? I just wanted to say that I brought up a cake and goodies for Dana. He'd already left that day, but given that I knew where he lived and I hand delivered it, he was very appreciative. And he just wanted everyone to know how much he appreciated everything and also wanted us to know how the town staff are just very dedicated. He was extremely impressed and he was thankful. So I just want to let you all know. There you go. That's it. Thank you. John, nothing tonight for me? Round, I think it was session? Tom? Um.