 Sniving is chevious, self-interested, plotting, scheming, selfish. Is that what diplomacy people are? Well, I think diplomacy is a great game because it really tests you in many different ways. It's not just your ability to think logically about what your move should be and what other people are likely to do. You're always trying to figure out what's going through other people's brains, right? But it's also got a lot of the emotional element to it as well. It's a rough game. It's very tough on people's egos because almost invariably, for most people, they're going to get stabbed at some point by somebody and they're going to have somebody betray them and, you know, some people find that rough. Now, this crowd is a rough, tough crowd. These guys have been stabbed a thousand times each, so they don't care. They're ready for it. But regular people playing diplomacy find it a very contentious, emotionally difficult experience because it is so... Well, there's no luck in it. So it's just how well you can negotiate, how well you can make deals. How do you trust people? When do you trust people? When are they going to betray you? Figure it all out. It's not easy. It's not easy. I think diplomacy is a great game. It's almost one of those games. I think it should be part of the public education system. Everybody should learn it. Probably the last year of high school, I would say, would be the ideal time when everybody should learn how to play diplomacy. But I'm telling you, if you did that, about 70% would come away saying, I hate that game because it's not for everybody. Most people find it too rough, too tough. You have to have a certain resilience, a certain toughness in order to handle diplomacy. But even though it's rough and tough, I still say everybody should go through it because you learn skills, you learn about, well, how is politics? Guess what? You can't always trust people. When push comes to shove, most people, most of the time, will do what's in their interests. They'll do what is good for them. And diplomacy teaches that better than any other thing I think I've ever seen. So do people need to know that? I think they do. Now, on the con side, of course, often diplomacy players are learned to be very good at being dishonest. Is that a good thing? Well, you know, somebody who believes honesty is a good thing. I like to think of myself as having high morals, but even scoundrels think they have high morals, right? But I think the lessons diplomacy teaches are so core to getting by in the real world, but I think it should be part of the public education system. So I hope that gives you what you needed. I agree. How long have you been playing? I've been playing for more than 25 years. My four older brothers, and we used to play a lot of games, but I learned to play, I think when I was like 10 or 12 years old, I didn't really get serious about it until I was in high school, though. And then I've been organizing the Canadian Diplomacy Tournament for the last 15 years in Calgary, Alberta. First Saturday in January, every year, we have a tournament. We've had up to 40 people there, and we have a trophy. We give people a nice certificate. Sometimes we've had prizes, but actually we've gone away from having prizes because diplomacy is contentious enough. So many people think they're going to win a prize, whether it's some dinky $10 we bought somewhere, but suddenly they're ferociously interested and angry, and we didn't need that kind of stress. Life's stressful enough. The game's stressful enough. So we said, we'll give people our certificate, we'll get their name on the trophy, and if they want more than that, we give them food, we feed everybody. That's how it works. Get diplomacy all day, get to eat, maybe get your certificate and name on the trophy. What else can you ask? And a great time. It's fun, but it is rough. Let's say, if I can leave your viewers with something, diplomacy is not easy. It's not for the faint of heart. But again, everybody should go through it and teach us a lot of different skills. I use it, actually, by the way. I teach diplomacy. This is at the University of Calgary, Reeves College, Mount Royal, and I teach business communication or actually never, of course, I've used diplomacy as part of the course because I teach you so many skills. And it's a great game.