 the conference centre donated to the institutions by the former speaker house of representative Honourable Femi Bajabia Mila who currently serves as the chief of staff to the President Bola Ametunubu. So tonight we're asking, what are your thoughts on Govnosan Wulu's arrest? I was looking for the other video for him arresting the Okada men before now coming to one this commuter but we'll find that video much later. So what are your thoughts on Govnosan Wulu's arrest? Now please let's hear what you have to say. Remember you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or WhatsApp to do it. 1-803-4663. Alright so Mary, there was a video where the governor was arresting some Okada men. We saw them running up and down, you know, scamping and they were able to apprehend one and a few bikes, right? I feel bad for the offended one. He now said that he's a soldier. I didn't know what now, I've riveted the governor. Governor said that's the more reason I will arrest you because you're a soldier. First of all, what are your thoughts on the video, when you saw the video earlier today? I mean, this one that they played now, I mean, some of the words he used, I think were a bit unnecessary. A road that I built. I understand these people there in New Zanz. I mean, should just say commuter do. And it also shows that you don't have a structure in place because I don't see why as a governor is when you're on the road. That's when you are arresting Okada men. And you have like a hierarchy of forces that are supposed to man these roads and figure out that everybody's obeying the rules. Rather, they will be arresting motorists and harassing people and taking bribe. But these Okada men that are driving one way, they can't do anything. So first of all, I mean, it's a good act or public show of display that you're arresting them on the road. But men, go back to your cabinet and ask the people that what are they doing? What are the policemen doing? What are the last-minute officials doing? I mean, that means they're not working. Ok, so I like the angle you're coming in from. But let me explain how I see this thing, right? When you go to same climes, because I like to always go back to sanity. Because I've seen this thing happen several times. And I particularly appreciate the governor for highlighting this menace. Because it's a big menace. Now, you will see that a lot of times when it comes to traffic rules and regulations, we obey it because we are in a four-wheeled car, whatever. Motorists obey it. See, people like bus drivers, keke marua, okada riders, they never obey. Most times, you know, they are almost forced to obey traffic rules, especially okada riders. These dispatch guys are like killers on the road. Literally, you just see somebody just cross in front of you. They never wait for the traffic lights to turn green. They believe that they are not supposed to obey those traffic rules, right? It doesn't apply to them because they are on two-wheeled objects, right? So, I feel like highlighting that it is a problem for bikers to do a one-way trip. It's good. Because I've seen this thing happen several times. It's not even on this road. On our Lagos Equal Expressway, in Via here, but we told it, whenever there is traffic on the other side, you will see the bike men. And they will tell you that you are on the right of way. They will tell you to move so that they can go through. So, all these issues. And I didn't want the governor to... Because again, I like what you mentioned about show off. Because this is not a media paparazzi. No. It is real issues. A lot of people have almost died because the okada is taking one way. And the person did not even see the okada coming. So, it is a big issue. And they have to enforce that law that going forward, whether you are on two-wheel, or on four-wheel, you must obey traffic rules. And it applies to you. Because for some reason, I had felt over the years that it's like one way does not apply to okada riders. And that's what I'm saying. So, maybe he's just waking up to what he's supposed to be doing. I don't know, but they never apprehend them. So, the governor going to speak to the commuter, I think I'm very happy with that. Because again, most times I have said this several times. When a driver is driving like a madman, the people inside the bus or the people that the person is carrying, can't they be the one to caution this driver to say, you know what, do the right thing. No, but it's true. You know how mad these people are. You literally know how mad. They're literally going to tell you madam, if you're going or you're not going, please calm down. Like, I mean, and OK, just imagine, you're waiting for a bus to go. It's getting late. All the buses are filled up. They're, you know, asking anyhow. They're traffic. And the guy is going only. Please, let's be honest. You actually enter. Because you're trapped now. You can't find any bus. All you can find is the family stupid Okada man. Once you enter, once you enter, it gets to your house. It's the truth now. OK, let's go on a break. I don't know whether our viewers have worked, they have resumed. We'll try to open our phone lines. Let me hear your thoughts. But we'll be right back. All right. It's our ladies night out. And if you just tune in, we're asking what are your thoughts on Govno song. We'll lose our rest of Okada men earlier today. Now please, let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join this conversation. Send us an SMS or WhatsApp. It's very one eight zero three four six six three. So me, I like this our Govno shirt. You know, you know what I'm saying. It likes the media. Did you see the adjusting of this? Yes. That killed me. That actually killed me. They are not sure of the suit. I knew that I was... The man came to me. He had this bottle of water. In fact, they already don't skit on him already. I asked him and just in a suit, he had this bottle of water. I was talking. You know, but you see, in all of these things, right, I like to always look at root causes. Do you understand? First of all, you will never have Okada men flying one way if there is no problem, right? A lot of them are trying to find the quickest commute time. No way. No way we are going back to this. No, we will go back now. No, there are problems. No, there are problems of Nigeria. No, let's go back. It's a problem because... What are the bad roads? No, yeah. And the traffic. Bad roads, traffic. So a lot of them are saying, okay, I want to be able to do maybe 10 trips in a day. And for me to have shortest possible time. Why is she laughing? Because it's funny. Shortest possible time. No, I'm trying to give reason. Let us expand the conversation, right? Okay, okay. So this might be the reason. But you see, when I looked at that particular road. There was no traffic. Cos no traffic. It's a completely empty road. And I think they said it's even a newly built road. That he built. That he built. You know that I built. I, the governor, built the road. What's your job? It's your job to build the road. Did I open our phone lines? Our phone line is 0702507749. That's the number to call. Our phone line is now open, right? That's the number to call. So I mean, he said the roads that I built. The governor built the road for all. Okay, you're supposed to do. That's your job. You're supposed to do the job, right? But I was just going to say that. For me, I feel like that in itself, right? The fact that a lot of times if you notice this one-way symptom. Look at this road, Mayoneiro that they've taken forever to do. It's a locking stone. In a lot of times, even after you still see a lot of people doing one way on both sides, right? Just because again, the roads are bad, right? They've not really properly fixed the road. So this is how I see it. You can't really say there is a problem when you understand. Or you cannot punish people for a problem where you have not also found ways to ensure that that that offense will not even happen in the first place, right? I'm not justifying this particular incident because this road did not seem to me like they were trying to avoid traffic. No, but it's different now. The anger is because this road now that he has I built. You don't understand. Maybe the other ones have not been doing their flying one way. This one that I built, how dare you people now still flying one way. That's what, that's the annoyance. The road that I built, that the governor built. But you know that. So they've done the road. So why are you still flying one way? I'm tired of me. That's it. Mayoneiro, mayoneiro. Mayoneiro, mayoneiro. Mayoneiro, mayoneiro. Mayoneiro, mayoneiro. That's the annoyance there. You have to adjust the codes to tell them that the road that I built. Come on now, governor. I mean it's not the right thing. I'm not saying it's the right thing, but it's just like I said, there's a hierarchy of officials, policemen and last man. If they are doing the job. They caught me the other day for light that I don't understand. I don't know whether I'm supposed to move postprain because the connections when you're connected from to the road to the other side where you turn left. There you did on one or one? No, the one on the express. So that particular junction is a trap for last-minute officials. So that's why you see them, they always are there. So ideally. And they are not there to correct you. They are just there to apprehend you. And collect money. Which is totally wrong. Then put a sign there. So that particular road by the pinnacle junction is the way to my office. A lot of times people don't know. Even I needed to educate my drivers to say if you want to go to the next side, follow when this other light turns green. That's when you're supposed to go. But you see, that education is nowhere near. Because there's no light that controls that particular inner lane. So if you put a sign that says move on green or something. So you see, they won't do their job now. But then when somebody breaks the law, you now want to punish me. You're telling me that you'll carry me to last-minute office. And I'm just, I'm literally very confused. And I'm even saying, put you allowed the car and my friends go. But unfortunately I'm the one that you were able to stand in front of their car. So what are you saying? So that guy now that has moved forward, do you think he won't do it again another day? He will. So going back to governor's arrest, was that the best he could do? Because he should talk to the last-minute officials. Because why I'm saying this, they said don't get caught. That's the thing they always say. Don't get caught. Because how do I put it? It is okay as long as you're not caught. And this is what a lot of people are going by. Going by legals. These are the rules that they thrive on. As long as I don't get caught, it's fine. Because when you talk about offences of one way, one way offence is everywhere. It's present everywhere. And sometimes like you rightly said, sometimes it seems like the target is certain kinds of people. That they are allowed to not obey the rules. The other day I was on leki equestrian like I always am on. And the next thing I see is sirened, what's it called? Those trucks, the Hilux trucks. And I think it was a range of something and everything, and they were only one way road. Going blasting and all. Who was going to storm them? And by the time I checked the map, it was just a six minutes delay. It was just a six minutes delay. So I get the part where the governor was trying to make the passengers responsible also for their lives. Because he was talking about tomorrow now you are going on that road and if something hits you and you die, they will not say his government road killed you. Do we have the second video? No, government road. It's actually government road. Government road. Maybe it's like you are not, you came for your government. But I like the fact that he has created awareness because again for a governor's attention, I mean for the governor to have done this he has highlighted the fact that one way is an offence. But beyond the all the paparazzi. The same people know that one way is an offence. No, see you don't get it. I don't think you don't get what I'm saying to you. I don't think anybody has told Okada people that they are supposed to be obeying traffic. You don't get it. I'm telling you. You are not getting the point Mary. For all the times that arrest have been made. Do you understand? Okada, nobody even cares about them. But they have it. One way, no. But there is a license structure as an Okada rider before you get your license to ride. It's like driving school now. Won't you learn traffic rules before you? You are not getting the point I am trying to make. The point I am trying to make is that over the years do you understand? Nobody has told these people that you are supposed to obey traffic lights. You are supposed to, yes. Because if you go on your roads every day, you are not listening to me. It's absurd. That is the reality. Because if you go on your roads every day Okada people are always constantly doing one way. Nobody touches them. So maybe now that the governor has arrested one maybe the last man people will begin to do their job. Or the road safety people will begin to do their job. Because nobody touches them. It is only cars that take one way that people feel they need to arrest. That's my point. Ok. But that was crazy. Ok. Over how many years that we have had Okada these last man people don't touch them. Well, I have not seen any Okada being arrested for taking one way. I am sure they were arrested. Mary, please help me out. I am saying to you because this is something that I encounter almost on a daily. Nobody has said why are you taking one way? They let them through. So if the governor decides to wake up now 2nd of January to say you know what Okada one way is a crime. Maybe just maybe sanity will be restored back on our roads. Because as it stands today right this governor this governor arresting an Okada rider is the first I am seeing an Okada rider being arrested. Other people that have been arrested for taking one way are motorists they are car owners right even sometimes these commercial bus drivers they don't even arrest them you know so over the years we have made it look like certain people cannot they are free to break the rules I know that taking a one way right is wrong but over the years you have not you have not affected those changes you have not made any of such arrest you know the only arrest what I have seen them arrest Okada people are when they say this road cannot be applied by Okada riders you know there was a time that Fashula was very strict on the routes that Okada riders could take and so when the Okada riders were violating those routes they were apprehending them and they were confiscating their bikes that's when they were arresting Okada riders it was not because Okada riders took one way so for the governor to have thrown the spotlight on the fact that an Okada rider is taking one way it's commendable but beyond that it is commendable beyond that right it is commendable because now he has actually said that or he has given liberty to other security personnel to say if you see an Okada rider doing one way arrest them because that's what he has done his actions that is what he implies there should be some penalty too for the heads of police and so forth for them not knowing for how many years that they should apprehend Okada riders for driving one way I don't understand I wish they could get that video for me if it is ready because you see I wanted to touch a little bit of when he was arresting that guy the guy made his statement you understand and just felt like even the governor really attacked him on that statement the guy said I'm a soldier so your soldier gives you the F-1 and the right to fly one way you are beginning to hit where the conversation should go you see silently for every time we accept anomaly as a normal thing in this country what you have done you have endorsed criminality you've endorsed what's it called impunity do you understand for the soldier to have the F-1 tree and the gods to tell the governor of the state to say I am a soldier do you understand go and check it the people that are violating and flaunting a lot of these traffic road traffic laws go and check them they will either put military uniform at the front of their dashboard do you understand because in a lot of them they believe that they are above the law they believe that they are supposed to you know do those things and nobody can has the authority to be able to arrest them so when that guy said I am a soldier to the governor the governor said that is the more reason you understand you will be arrested and locked up so I want people to understand this thing because you see this can be the beginning it depends on how we want to take it I am tired of talking I think you are being overly positive now yes you are not getting the point it is not an issue of being overly positive if the governor is not doing this for media attention right because there are allegations that the man loves the attention that he draws to the media so that's why a lot of these things you see if this is not a media attention stunt it can actually bring sanity to Lagos do you understand because should be told a lot of these people that have flaunt these rules they are all security personnel most of them do you understand or they are friends of security personnel because you see the same thing you said I have seen a road that you will pass and last month we will wave you let the next person in pass they will arrest that person so even the security personnel they have given what is it called some level of preference these are the people that can break the law these are the people that cannot break the law so for the fact that the man said I am a soldier to the governor what you are trying to say is that I have the right to violate the traffic rules and the governor went back to him and said because you are a soldier that is why I am arresting you so I just want us to learn to understand that see if this thing can be taken beyond what has happened today to a bigger you understand a bigger road map this might just be the beginning of sanity in Lagos I am actually excited about it I like the fact that it happened it will have on other traffic violators that is the one I am looking forward to so beyond this paparazzi and the attention that it has drawn can we get a lot more people to be more responsible while using the road because maybe you are smiling a lot of people have died because one Okada was driving one way and this Okada they are so vicious where are the policemen put in place to make sure that people are obeying the traffic rules where are they where are they now instead they are catching people and taking bribery and corruption for what is not important because those boss people you don't think they settle all those guys they do they do they do they do I am just going to add that while I commend Mr Governor back to my Sena Climbs in Sena Climbs there are designated paths for cyclists no it is true because again sometimes these people have no business being in traffic that is why they chose to ride motorcycles or power bikes and all of those things they have no business being in traffic this is not justifying this one because there was no traffic on this road I am saying for other riders that have to go through the route of doing one way we don't have path for commuters that are walking we don't have pedestrian proper pedestrian walkways on our roads we don't have proper bicycle path for people that want to ride bicycles or something what if it was a bicycle you know the ideal thing for pedestrian and I think I was saying to my team that is true we were supposed to do a documentary on it the ideal you are actually supposed to ride against an oncoming vehicle do you understand no for safety hold on that is what I am saying to you that if it is designated I know someone that was knocked down and almost lost the use of his legs because this is for people that jog in the morning people that go out that is what I am saying to you that we do not have dedicated pedestrian path or cycling path because ideally you are not supposed to back an oncoming vehicle you are supposed to face an oncoming vehicle when you are taking your walks or your jogging or whatever and I see a lot of people who use the roads wrongly because if somebody is drunk and mistakenly or the person falls asleep whilst driving the next person as the person is of the road the next person will be the pedestrian that will be hit so this particular one was at 6 am in the morning the man was taking a walk or he was coming back from one early morning prayer or something and the bus driver did not see him and most of the time they don't even wear reflective jackets or anything reflective so the bus driver did not see him the next thing he just heard a noise he had knocked him down thankfully he did not lose his life but I am saying to you that on one hand whilst I commend the governor for arresting your kind of men you have to also understand that on our roads there has to be proper structures for road users we don't have safety at the back of our minds with our roads in these countries no, we don't in other senior climbs there are proper pedestrian walkways that are far away from the roads proper lanes so these are the things that when we are talking about governance and we are talking about impact these are the kinds of things that we are looking forward to it's not for you to just say oh I built a road no, what did you build or you built a proper road that when I use it I am safe using it do you understand so those are the things, those are the measures that every right thinking government should begin to look forward to and I am tired of this psychophancy in Nigeria that oh you have done this you have done that commissioning of this commission of that I am more interested in the quality of what you are commissioning in the usability of what you are commissioning is it something that is safe go and check international organizations that are in Nigeria once you go into the international organizations they will tell you there is a particular company that I visited right so this company they said you cannot walk you understand you can't walk if you look at this particular road you will see that there is a pedestrian pathway are you seeing that there is a setback there is a pedestrian pathway pedestrian pathway so it is I don't even know how this even happened because look at the Okada riders they are going on the proper path so how did this Okada rider choose it's not like the road is busy so I am saying that today he is just unlucky today he is just unlucky and I am happy that this arrest was made so that anybody going forward because look at all of them they are all passing one way and the guy will run away and leave the bike this has been a good conversation this is your life of the bike is that this is your life of the bike the bike is their life like that some people their bike is their life but I was going to say that would you rather spend your if they carry you to prison you know I was going to say that there is a big part that we did not touch on which part a lot of people are unemployed so livelihood for them is picking up on Okada so that is why they should play no I am just saying to you if you didn't go to school you wouldn't know the traffic which exception I try to make for these people is wrong is wrong but if you are unemployed you actually got the Okada so that you make a living for yourself a decent living do the right thing if a car now you don't understand what are you going to say you just kill passengers and you just die unnecessary death it's sad we hope to see what a way to start the year it's working our government is working this is not how to work it's a good thing that he has spotlighted it but I am saying that the work goes beyond what has happened on social media I am hoping that they take it beyond social media and let's even see more sanity on our roads I think we've had a good conversation because I feel like coughing and I don't want to cough while I'm on air so that I can go back to my my house and go and sleep but thank you so much Mary we had fun so we want to commend the governor again this is a good step like we rightly said so let's see more of this happening let's see saner use of roads especially with our motorcyclists and commercial bus drivers because those are the two major sources of road menace we'll see you guys so before we go and show you follow us across all social media handles it's that way show Africa you can interact with us further drop your comment most importantly follow all our engagements on social media like share and invite your families and friends to watch and follow the conversation in case you sent messages sorry you couldn't take any of your messages today we'll do that some other time now if you miss today's quotarity again Mary said what is right is right respect for the rule of law is not optional it's fundamental you see this thing about respect for the rule of law when our leaders begin to respect the rule of law it will trickle down to even the citizenry right so I mean I'm not giving an excuse for breach of law but let's just make it a holistic approach to building a saner Nigeria we'll see you guys tomorrow at 8pm as we bring another great conversation to your screen ciao