 Hello. And so pursuant to Governor Baker's March 12, 2020, order suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law, this meeting of the TAC is being conducted by a remote participation. So call to order of the TAC meeting for today. And let's get started with any announcements. Tracy, do you have some? Oh, Tracy, do you have any announcements? Oh, I can't hear you. There we go. There, got it. OK, does that work? Yeah. Oh, it looks like it. Great. I don't know. Eve and Holden are in the waiting room. I don't think I can do that. So for the attendees, you don't always have to promote the attendees to panelists. If you guys want to do that, just as a habit, you can, but the attendees, you can see when they raise their hands and everything and then allow them to speak. So it's entirely up to you guys. I don't really know. I don't think you guys have really discussed that at all. I went ahead and did it. Yeah. I think we only ever have a limited number and it feels better just to have everyone on the same. Yeah. I mean, sort of if we were in person, right? We let people participate. We don't. We're not locked out. And people get tired of being stuck in anonymous, attendee land out there and all these new meetings. I know I do. Maybe nobody else minds. So Amber, I did just because I know, in case you sign off later, I did have a quick question. Is we typically try to keep our meetings to 90 minutes and can we just advertise like when we post the meetings? Can we just say that they're the 90 minutes just so members of the public here looking will know that? So no other committee really does a time ending thing. I mean, yeah, it's just kind of sectioned off like in two hour blocks, OK, guys over. Yeah, so that's fine. Either way, I didn't know because it always shows up. It says a start and end time. And I think, I mean, officially, I think some of the other town meetings do too, though they perpetually go over. So yeah, I mean, I was just I was just you know, somebody was talking about it today and they said, oh, and you guys always have two hour meetings. And I was like, well, they're actually 90 minutes or we try. So anyway, OK, thanks. OK, a couple of quick things is so I was listening and I had missed part of it, but the town TSO town services and outreach committee that they are now reviewing the parking permit proposal, it's going to be referred by them to the Transportation Advisory Committee. It has not been referred yet. And I did ask the TSO members for some guidance about what it is exactly that they would like tack to weigh in on a big component of that plan that has to do with some of the financial parts of it. And I don't really know if we consider that to be in our purview. So and they and then they're planning to have their public hearing with some of their recommendations by March 10th. So that's going to be coming up pretty soon. I wanted to just mention to I mean, I know I circulated around to people. One thing I did notice is that in the list of the places to have permit parking, they basically kept the list as it is now. More or less, it also included North Pleasant Street on the west side of Kendrick Park on the west side of the street, like where we've already moved and the council has approved changing it over to the east side and eliminating parking on the west side. So I did mention that to the TSO member. So the TSO committee chair at this point is Dorothy Pam. And I mean, let me see if I can remember all the members. So it's Shalini Balmille, Anna DeGolfier, Anika Lopes, and Anika Lopes. And Andy Steinberg is still on there. He's the only remaining committee member from the last term of the TSO. And of course, Dorothy Pam. So those are the five members. I wanted to mention also sidewalk shoveling. I know we've talked about that at our meeting so far. Can everybody hear me? OK, because I like, I don't. OK, good, because sometimes people look frozen. I don't know whether I'm frozen or you're frozen. OK, so sidewalk shoveling, you know, with the recent snowfall, some of the sidewalks are pretty impassable and some of the curb cuts are impassable and the bus stops and all of it. Um, so I actually was trying to make a complain or like raise a concern about the sidewalks in one particular area recently, and I didn't really know how to do it. You know, under the bylaws, stuff is supposed to the fines are given out by the police department. So what I found out in the end is that you're supposed to report them to the police department and that you should just call the dispatch number if that's what if you have a complaint. So that was news to me and it was really hard to find that on the website. But I got an email from a police department official and that's what they told me. Um, also, so I'm actually hoping that they can make it a little easier to do that on the website. Also, I just wanted to mention I had been supposed to go to the DAC meeting next week, but they I think they've canceled that meeting now and they're just have their next meeting in March. But one thing that they're currently looking at is the details of the design plan at Kendrick Park. And they were going to be reviewing that, including the parking plan and the bike plan and sidewalks and everything. I know if you had any quick comments on that, I know that's coming from your staff, right? Yes, OK, it's just preliminary at this point. Oh, we can't hear you. I have to find my cursor is wandering somewhere else. No, I don't have any updates. It's just it's coming. So one thing I noticed when I was sent a copy of the preliminary stuff is that currently the way the the drawings are laid out is that they're saying there's an eight foot wide sidewalk path on the west side of the street with four feet of it designated for pedestrians and four feet of it designated for bicyclists. So I think that the DAC may have concerns about that, you know, depending on how separated the bicyclists and the pedestrians are. And that's something that I think we'd be interested in too. So OK, so those are all my kind of quick things. Right, any other announcements, anybody? Oh, wait, and I did have one more announcement is that the town manager and the resident advisory committee, they are doing interviews this week for potential TAC members. Yay. And so they will hopefully the town manager's time frame, I believe after they're done the interviews, the recommendation has to go to TSO and then it will go to the council and that would be towards the end of February. So hopefully by March, we will have at least one or two new members. Yeah, you have an interview, right? Scheduled, no. Sorry, did you say hold on? Yeah, do you have an are you you getting interviewed next week? Excellent. Yeah, I'm on Friday, right this for this Friday. Tomorrow. Tomorrow. Yes, I have to I have to leave at six. I know I'm not a committee member or anything, but I'll disappear at six today, unfortunately. Thank you. Well, anyway. Well, anyway, hold on. Thank you for hanging on during that long process of waiting for an interview. So OK. And thank you for joining us today. OK. So, Kim, do you want to take over? Yeah, so we have some minutes to get through to approve. We have the January minutes from the January 6th meeting and those from the January 20th meeting that were emailed to us earlier today, I believe. So. So I haven't looked at them yet. Has everybody looked at them? No. I mean, I just had one correction on the January 20th at the very bottom. Next meetings will be February 3rd and it says February 17th. But I think we decided to meet on the 10th. Yes, Bernie and I are. That's correct. Yes. We did decide to do that, yes, which is next week. So correct. Yeah, it is a OK. Yeah, I had mentioned that to Amber, but maybe that got lost in translation. So. All right. And if anybody that what that does mean to is that means that I need to send Amber the agenda by tomorrow. So if anybody has any pressing agenda, I'm sure we could talk about at the end of the meeting. Yeah, so thanks. Well, let's just wait till the end. Yeah, of course. OK. Well, if anybody has any other comments, I would move to accept the minutes of January 6th and January 20th. Second. Any further discussion? All those in favor, Tracy, are you voting? Yeah, well, I haven't actually read them. So I'm just going to like abstain or whatever. But I'm sure they're fine. I didn't get you. Is three votes or was burning? What does Bernie say? Oh, I'm sorry, Bernie. I am not. I don't know why I didn't have you in the so and one of my phone. So for yes, one abstention. OK, thanks. Thank you. And the next agenda item is continuing business of our draft crosswalk guidelines. So in the last meeting, we pretty much went through these. Guilford said that he would add a few details. I thought I saw those in the email, but I can't seem to find them now. Did you? Those were sent out, right? The update ever sent it out this morning. Guilford, would you like to pull it up on your screen or? All right. OK. Hold on. Let me move you guys over here. So I did a little more. I kind of need to read a little better, I thought, but you guys can tell me if I'm hosed up or not. So I actually kind of typo. Where red line? Vices. Vices. Can we just roll down? No, yeah, this is good. Because that preamble is new, right? I mean, it's it's good. You guys did the purpose. You changed that last time. I made it. I made a quick modification to the definition. It made it a little clear and took a couple of things out that were weird. I moved this installation of crosswalks. That was at the note at the very bottom. Did up here. It just didn't fit well at the end. I thought that seems good. That seems great. Yeah. And then I. Oops. When I like that, you made it a little more general because I think you were referring to certain chapters of that. And if stuff moves around, then it's like out of date. So, yeah. And then the evaluation has stayed the same. And then these are the existing crosswalks. They just lift those pictures in. Yeah, I didn't label them. Do you want to label them or? It's like existing crosswalks or something. Go. But we've already made them better. So. Not the one on the left. But the one on the right is better. Yeah. Yeah, this one's better. This one's this one's next year. I just kind of I didn't change much of this. Oh, that looks good. And then I kind of changed up. So recommendations below the following pattern. I made it actually bigger so you can see it better materials. I talked about materials and I just kind of made these like you can read it and make sense. No, great. Now, I went through it when I got it earlier today and it seemed fine. Other than devices feel for it on the materials. It seems like we keep hearing that they're keep inventing new materials. So would you want to like? Say something like or other appropriate you know, materials for cost effective and long lasting markings or something like that? Um, we could. But these are the three that are there now and I know there's not much change and there hasn't been much change. And I don't see anything really coming down the pipe on materials. Well, that's fine, I think. Well, I mean, but like you use bricks, for example. Yeah, we don't use that anymore. Never want to use that again. Yeah, they didn't do what are the what are the ones across North Pleasant Street? Like, what are they? That's a thermoplastic thermoplastic. Got it. OK. And we covered the ones that we really want to use, which is that thermoplastic. Right. And these are for all these are guidelines. Yeah. So. I mean, the paint is the cheapest way to do it. It's always going to be the cheapest way. But it just has to be done all the time. Thermoplastic and epoxy last longer. And the epoxy is the only one that's got any new any new. Innovation coming to it right now. OK. I put the Atkins light in and took out the mass light. Oh. So so I do have a question about that one then. So are we saying because lighting is in this section, are we saying that all crosswalks will have lighting? We say that, yes. OK. Well, yeah, I mean, is that true? Do all of our current crosswalks have lighting like even outside of downtown? Some of the ones downtown almost they do, but they're different. Every intersection is supposed to have a street light. So if you have a crosswalk at a street light. You have a crosswalk at an intersection, you have a street light. OK. But it may not be where you really want it. Do we just move these crosswalks in the street light? Well, then you can say you want it. You need to enhance it and you go down to the enhanced things and you can use them for sure. Oh, good. And you added a section about signalized intersections. That's great. Yes. We can add some more in there. But I think I got the button, the button. Pedestrian activated buttons, the buttons have the audible. They need to be a visual countdown for the hearing impaired. That's great. The standard walk on walk symbols. And you got the medians from Portland, Oregon, I see. Well, Holden has a question. Oh, sorry. Yeah, I think I made a similar comment last last time and last revision, but just wondering about maintenance, Tracy, especially with your comment about cutouts, not always getting plowed. I don't know if, you know, either directing people if there's already a maintenance document for crosswalks and sidewalks. Just say, you know, reference that or just saying, you know, the town will consider any ongoing maintenance obligations for crosswalks. What do you? Mostly thinking about snow or if the I don't know if the sidewalk, you know, with the bricks, if that's coming up, I guess bricks aren't maybe going to be as much of an issue anymore. But I guess actually on that same sort of vein is the idea that I mean, do we want to have something with the crosswalks that that saying that a standard would be to have curb cuts like at each end of the crosswalk or something? Like, if there's no, but I'm saying if there's a Jason sidewalk or something. So that that kind of falls into the ADA requirements. OK, OK, got it. Where are they? So I guess. Oh, and the other maintenance item I was thinking of was the signage. Those signs always move all over the place or disappear as the sidewalks age, which signs the. The the yellow kind of rubberized in section four, there's a picture of one on page five. Are you talking about crosswalk like stanchion things? Yeah. Yeah. And this fall, I mean, they just have to be moved because of the plow, right? Sure. Yeah, they also I guess they're popular in fraternity houses. Do we get them back every year? They get some. I need a police raid to find all the missing signs. I used to have a little, you know, one of those little fluorescent men, like those slow down plastic, you know, pedestrian men, like. And somebody came up to my house once we were like doing outside yard work and they pulled up and they like put the man in the back seat of the car and drove away. And we found it in a student rental later and we took it back and then it got taken again for for person. So they actually have they actually have scavenger hunts and the students do. And on their list are traffic signs, certain street name signs, traffic cones, traffic barrels and a whole assortment of things that you can walk around and find on the streets that they're supposed to take. It's quite fun. Yeah, really great for you guys, I bet. Yeah. So let me keep scrolling down. OK. So then then I talk about the optional enhancement tool box. I kind of gave a sentence what this is. And then I broke it in the two. It was broken in the two sections. So this is downtown and village centers. The first part is very the same. But then we talked about this pattern here and using this pattern. That looks great. Yeah. That's OK. And then we talked about the sign that Holden was just talking about. Sure. And then lighting when we start talking about adequate lighting and so forth, then we could do more. So we can talk about the flashing baller is lighting as well. And then raise crosswalks. And then additional create crosswalk safety was the next option. So this could be used anywhere. And it kind of follows the same guidelines. Wait, Guilford, can you just go back up a moment? Just to the beginning of the section. I'm sorry, could you just scroll up? Life back towards the beginning of the document a little bit. No, just where you would. Well, just in terms of those additional. Yeah, no, it's fine. It was just going fast. OK. Oh, sorry. No, it's good. I just. Yeah, it's fine. I just wanted to just see the raised crosswalk part. So the Bullard's and the various crosswalk. Yeah. OK. So I think would you want to would you want to say may make should maybe be two words there raised crosswalk? Well, maybe not. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah, actually, yeah. OK. Well, and I guess better visibility to maybe. Yeah, better visibility to motorists, right? And to provide traffic calming, I think. Good to go down. Yeah. Yeah. So Guilford, I was right there. I would just edit it slightly. I would add an S to the end of motorists, better visibility to motorists. Well, it's just also providing better visibility to pedestrians, of course. And it's to provide. Yeah, sure. OK. Well, I kind of kind of caught the bump outs is actually they're farther down as the the addition for the pedestrians that sticks you farther out into the road, whereas the raised crosswalk raises you up more so the driver can see you. Sure. Maybe motorists and cyclists. Well, technically, a cyclist is a motorist. I can put cyclists in there if you want. They're a vehicle. They're a vehicle. I didn't know that that was. Yeah, leg motors. All right. So you mean to to vehicles? Yeah, I mean to. Yeah, well. That includes a skateboarder and scooter guy, too, I guess. Yeah. And it's just thinking of the crossing guard in Northampton, Florence, who got hit last week because the person driving your truck couldn't see him. It's one of those, you know, suburban assault vehicle. So it's really high. Is that really high? Yeah. Yeah, they have to do that because it's it's it's a manly thing to do. Yeah. Well, they're working on improvement. I mean, that was in the same vicinity of the high school where there was the other there was the fatality of the cyclists. Right. So they're trying to work on a lot of improvements in that area. So actually, it should be like better visibility for vehicles. Yeah, yes, I think so. Yeah. And to provide traffic calming near to provide traffic calming, you know. Yeah, because. I have to go go early today, but thank you all. Do you. Thank you. Thanks, Holden. OK, all right. I'm going to keep going down. Yeah, please. Thank you. And then these are additional one lighting. Yeah, and then this is where the RFBs come in. I guess would you would you maybe have something added there too about like signage, even if it's not flashing signage, you know, approaching the crosswalks? Well, that's actually supposed to be at every crosswalk is signage. So that's kind of required for a crosswalk. All right. So we're going to signage, signage with light, lights that grab your attention. And what about pavement markings? Like in some cases, crosswalks use pavement markings. Do you do that much? We try to stay away from that, but we could add it in here. Well, I mean, it's under optional, right? So there are some of those like sharks, teeth or whatever right around Amherst a little bit. Yeah, that's to tell you to yield. OK, lighting, race crosswalk. I mean, I guess you could. Yeah, your your number goes from two to seven. Yeah. Well, actually, let's so we get to say. Go ahead. Well, I didn't make this so that formatting is really weird. I'm trying to figure it out. So in addition, I can add additional payment markings. I think that's fine, you know. I mean, again, we're in the optional area, right? So yes. Yeah. I'll add that in that we can do things like put the desk crosswalk ahead, paint it on the road. Is there a particular reason why we don't tend to do that already? Just because we we paint it and then we spend the rest of the year sanding it off is usually why. Yeah, I mean, what I mean, would you what what would be the markings? You wouldn't actually say pedestrian, I don't know. I'll look it up and get I mean, I mean, I was thinking of the shark skews, but, you know, any anything that is sort of more the guys are supposed to paint the shark teeth with the crosswalks. And sometimes, too, there's, well, that's signage, but like the share of the road kind of signage or the. The Chevron's right sometimes. Nice. And then I talk about the bump outs. And so are you have the picture with the medians, right? So do we do we include medians explicitly listed? Oh, yeah, they're number eight, which is wrong. Still OK. And then no more two, no more two foe ones will. That just didn't work out. I mean, I would probably take that one if if we can find another picture. Well, it does have the Pine Street RFB, I know. But I just the median is so terrible. Yeah, so this is what we would do. So this is like this is five feet. That looks so much better. That tiny one. Yeah, so again, that's where you would have. Yeah, the maybe. Yeah, may and B should be two words. Mm hmm. Remember, I'm an engineer. And is there a reason why you have the. The slash mark after traffic in areas of high pedestrian traffic and where the street is why that could all be one sentence, right? Yeah. Yeah, it could be. And you could have a comma after wide. Right. In areas of high pedestrian traffic and where the street is wide. We didn't say because I think there was a vehicle in there. Oh, well, that's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, that makes sense then. And then a comma after wide. Yes, after wide. Yes, yes. When where the street is wide comma. Medians may be used to provide refuge for pedestrians crossing the roadway. Median shall be a minimum of five feet. Yes, I think that's really important. And then so that would be number six. No turn on. Yeah. And then I cannot find a good picture of a sign. I'm still working on that. No turn on red sign, you mean? Well, the lighted sign, I can find the other one, but a lighted sign that's not got a lot of other stuff around it. So use the one on Main Street that by the one main main and triangle, right by the pizza parlor. Well, I could use that one. I was trying to clean one. I have one I like go for from another town. Um, I can show if you want. Well, I can show you. All right. And I think Holden Holden's right. We should put in up here in the in the requirements. About accessibility, I don't think it's really it doesn't really say it very well, looking back over it. And oh, in terms of what says the purpose is related to encourage safety, accessibility, consistency. You'll put what's your email address? It's my last name, which is Moring. Yeah. G and then Amherst at Amherst and I go. I found your picture. Oh, I have a picture. I really like when I was talking about that. But you're not going to. I mean, with the no turn on red, are those mainly going to be the signage? They're not actually going to be like the flashing lights or anything. Well, I was going to put both. OK, I mean, I'll send I'll send the picture that I like to. Right. And I think I might say something a little. I'll think of something to put in there about ADA a little more. So it doesn't say that they will meet to the best of their abilities or because you don't want to you don't want to tie yourself to places where you're saying the other day, right? There are areas in town where it's impossible. Pretty much to provide certain parts of that. Yeah, I mean, and this this sentence here, we. An installation, we talk about design installation and enhancements will follow the M.U.C.T.D. in the mass D.O.T. design guidelines, which include, I can say, which include accessibility. Yeah, I think that's the best way. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Which folks, you know, which focus on safety and accessibility. Yeah, should guidelines be little G or big G? Well, if they're going to be little G, then design should be little D, too. Is the doc is there a document that's called mass.design guidelines? There is. Yeah, then it's capital. I'll leave it then. Then they can remain capitals. All right. So this is Marcus's picture. Yeah, this has been the we did this so long ago, and I forgot actually who did it. That's a bit small. That's all in the in the email. I don't think any. Did grab it off. No, I mean, I'm not to save it and then put it in. Yeah, yeah, I'll send you to find the bigger one of it. Send it back. Do you want one that's like got the arrow and then the no turn on, you know, like a red slash through it? Or do you want it saying out in words, no turn on red? No turn on red with the words is there it is. Yeah, that's what I had. Yeah, I can grab you the other one. They both stop on this one. It's like getting crappy about it. I pay for it. That's not happening. Actually, that looks like ours. Yeah, that's why that's why I kind of liked it because it didn't look like the one. But yeah, it's a it's a stop because we have the green light. It turns on too. It should be no turning on red quotation marks. Then sign with the lower case. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah, because it just says no turning on red. That's right. Yeah. What is this? That was what you were doing earlier. Delete it. Well, it's the same thing. I guess I didn't or doesn't always make it easy to do that stuff. Pain of the ball. OK, then we'll just put a regular sign in there and then that'll be it, right? Yeah. Yeah. You put a date in here at the bottom and the footer. Yeah, wait. So that's the end for the end at the end. Yeah, I guess we could also just say, you know, maybe for the footer on the right, we could just say tack draft or something. Well, it is it's not a draft, right? It's your final. Well, yeah. OK, it's their final. Taft, taft, yeah, just say. Yeah, or tack approved or something. I don't know. We could. I think that in two points. Oh, it's fine. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't even say that it's two point no. I would just say, you know, tack. OK, we could just say tack even, right? Final or something. Yeah. So it's good. So do we want to to go ahead and and officially vote on this? Yes, please. Yes, please. So. Does someone want to make? I can't why can't I think the word a motion? Motion. Thank you. I I move to accept the crosswalk standards as amended. With the inclusion of the. The photo in section six, the no turn on red. And. Yeah, I will second. So, so I have a question with our motion. Do we need to say where it should go after us or. Do you just send us to the town manager and just say these are tack. These are DPW reviewed and tack approved. Crosswalk standard. And then it would go to the count. Is that how it would proceed, Guilford? Yes. OK. You know, we first have to accept the document, right? And then we can decide where it goes. Right. Is is there before voting on this motion? Is there any other discussion? None heard, then all those in favor. I can't see every one. Hi, we're all I was. Hi, yeah, great. We're all here. Five of us. OK, any ways raised your hand, too. Unanimous acceptance of the. Yeah, I didn't participate because I was in like the previous six rounds of the discussion of the document. Already been in support many times. All right. Oh, great. It's approved. So. Yay. Approved document. Yeah, will it go on? Where will it go next? I'm also a town manager and ask him to. Send it to the town council for approval. Hey, congratulations, everyone. We did. Yay. Oh, we've worked on this for so long. So I guess I guess procedurally. Um, say so it wouldn't be on the agenda, of course, for like this coming Monday would have to be like at the end of the month. But if it would make sense to have DAC look at it, too, just because I would hate for it to get sort of prolonged, like if DAC hasn't officially weighed in, then it could get referred to TSO in the background and just take a long time. So I don't know. I mean, I realize DAC, they only meet once a month, and I think they cancel their meeting for next week, so it wouldn't even come back to them until March. But well, this is still our document, right? If they want to create their own, I mean, if they want to go ahead and amend it, they're more than welcome to. And then it would be a joint document on their behalf. But I think we've got to this point. To the best. No, I'm comfortable with what. Yeah, I'm comfortable with what we did. I think it's just, you know, if the town was going to adopt them as like town. Right, right. Yeah, I think if the town is anything, they do need to do that. But yeah, this is just us. That's yeah. OK. Excellent. Thank you, Gopher. Welcome. OK. All right. So do we. Yes, we can move on to the next item, which is looking at the parking restriction recommendations. Do we have a paper copy of those? So I have the guidelines from that the town manager that Guilford had sent to the town manager on March 19, 2021. That's a document. And I can share. I can screen share that if we want. Let me just pull up the document. So in review, what is the purpose of our reviewing? What is what is it that we want to do with this, Tracy? I think the idea with it coming back to us is because it had been in I mean, my thinking was that it had been in Guilford's original proposal that went to TSO. And and about and looking at parking and restricting parking and somehow it got dropped from TSO's document. And I just feel like it's important to have some guidelines for some of these high volume roadways and these arterials, these network, these major links, right? And we talked about it both from a safety standpoint in terms of, you know, people parked on the side of the road. And it's also important for cyclists and people walking on the shoulder of some of these roads that don't have sidewalks and things. So Guilford had originally brought it to us to the tack, you know, back before COVID. I remember talking about it at the police station community room. And it seemed like it made a lot of sense to me. And so I mean, I don't know. I mean, Guilford, I don't know how important it seems to you in what your current practices are with them, you know, dealing with people parking on these arterials. So it just it seems handy. You're muted. So the issue is, is that the people who write the tickets won't write tickets unless there's a rule in their signage that says you can't park here. So even though a lot of the rental properties that are on the major roads have parking plans that say they're not supposed to park on the road, they park on the road and block the bike lanes and shoulders. But then then the police won't write a ticket because there's no signs saying that. So the goal is to just get these guys off the main roads. So they're not parking alongside the main roads. So have you bought a lot of no parking signs? Yes, there'll be a lot of no parking signs. Yeah. So for the enforcement, would it both have to be the the rule as well as the signs? Because I thought, I mean, there's so many arterials, right? And so we're not going to have to sign the whole things. Like, I thought the rule was going to be that you could only park where there's it's where it's signed for parking and you couldn't park otherwise. But if you're not putting. Yeah. So, I mean, they're not really in, I mean, the ticketers aren't really insisting that you have signs like on every major road. Are they if if we have a if there's a policy in place? We're hoping we can get by with placing a sign at the beginning and the end of the section. That makes no parking this section, sort of like the state highway does parking on the state highway. And that will be enough for the ticket. But we'll see there might be some additional signs like for really long stretches, you might have to have some at every intersection. But the goal is is not to have a no parking sign every 100 feet or 150 feet down the road. Yeah, no, of course not. We put it make it incumbent on the property rent rentors to provide the rentees with the. The knowledge on what you know what to do. Like, can we put it back on them rather than on the town? Well, supposedly it is on them. I was thinking to the rental registration system that could be required that it's part of the leases. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you could put it as a line item in the lease. Yeah, it is. It's supposed to be supposed to be in the lease as well. But there's no authority for the zoning people to write parking tickets. So then they can only go and say, well, we're not going to renew your we're not going to renew your rental permit because your people are violating the parking rule. But then the people say, well, we'll make sure they do it right this time. So what really needs to happen is the police just need to show up and see it park illegally and ticket it. And then I'll. It's kind of I mean, in my neighborhood, I've been concerned with the snowfall about the sidewalk accessibility. But one of the issues is even the vehicles, like some of the rental properties that have very densely parked cars that with the snow, they don't always have quite as much room. And they never actually like having to like stack them deep on a driveway anyway. So in my neighborhood, there's been cars like that are parked on the sidewalk. But then there's also been cars that are parked where the driveways are sort of short and the vehicles are long and maybe people aren't parking the garage or whatever. And the vehicles are actually the back ends of the vehicles are like hanging over the sidewalk or completely blocking the sidewalk. So. I don't know. Yeah. Is that stuff? Did those kind of issues do they with with parking on the sidewalk? Does that go to inspection or does that go to the police? Go for it, you know, they can go to either one. OK. But then the the zoning people can't write parking tickets. Right now, I understand. But they can write warnings and stuff, you know, they can write. Yeah, but then. I mean, you're I guess, touchy, you're dealing with people's lively livelihoods here, not just the people violating the rule. Mm hmm. OK, so so I pulled up the memo. I guess you guys can all see it. So this is the memo that Guilford had sent to the town manager back a year ago. And the part that I had remembered is this section for under next steps, where it says restrict parking on arterial roadways to designated parking spaces only. This will keep the vehicles from parking on bike lanes and shoulders. And they're actually 25 roadways that that will affect. So actually, Tracey, I'm just thinking like you know, a way for us to find out what they do at like other, you know, small towns with our stations and institutions such as I mean, Gorham, Maine or Essex, Vermont, you know, UVM, what their sort of policies are. As a town to try and keep. These I'm just thinking like, you know, New England or northeast cities, towns where there's a large state institution and a reasonable, you know, reasonable number of in town rentals rather than on you know, on campus living. So I mean, I guess one question, Marcus, is that in some towns, right, a lot of the major roadways, the arterials would be all state highways. So then when the state then have like jurisdiction over the parking and they could just say like, no, kind of what Guilford's saying is you could just sign it at the beginning of the end. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just I'm just wondering, you know, like I'm trying to think of similar, I mean, you know, like stores is not going to be a reasonable place to kind of compare to. But like what other places are have a similar situation, right? Small town, large university, reasonable amount of off campus living. What does that look like? So the way I'm a little confused. So the way that you explained it is partially the reason you didn't follow up with this was because because the police won't deal with this unless there are their signage. And so with us, Pat, you know, doing these criteria help help you in some way. Sorry, I can't hear you. Sorry, if we bring it up again and push it forward to the council again, they can say, no, we don't want to deal with it. Or we can just keep bringing up to them and saying, this is really something we want to do and it's really important and we need to do it. It got dropped last time because the two counselors were really trying to deal with parking on side streets more than they were other places. So they were trying to accomplish something but not attack the whole elephant at one time. So so so then. So our next steps might be just to push this one piece forward. Then is that? Yes, because they actually they actually did come up with what their policy will be, but then they just left out the major roads. OK, so this is still wanting that. Because I feel like we did. We did look at this and we did all agree on it. So perhaps we can trace it with this. Just I don't know what the whole memo had in it. Oh, sorry, I can go back. But but the question is, do we just want to take this piece, this part out? I don't I don't. So wait, hold on. Let me oh, this is let me share it again. Is that right? Yeah, that's right. So I'm sorry, Kim, so what were you proposing? So I mean, a lot of these things have already gone through, right? So so we don't we just want to take out. So what piece what are the pieces? Do you want to highlight the pieces that we do want to just continue to push forward? I mean, I think that it would be. I feel like TSO adopted some of these when they were looking at how they they developed guidelines for what to do when they received parking on street parking requests and that they included a number of the related components, you know, in terms of sight lines and things like that, in terms of what they would say about the requests. It was just that one piece got dropped. So number four, I sort of see this as being the number four. So I sort of see it as being just something could be brought just separately. It doesn't even have to be in the framework of these you know, recommended roadway with some parking, which again, TSO and then the council have already approved. It could just be like restrict parking on arterial roadways. Yeah. And here's the list and this is why. Right. And I mean, we I think at the end of this document are all of the actual streets that this rule would affect at this moment. Well, actually, yeah, I had a question for Guilford about that. So I know Guilford, you had included, I think, with the original memo. I'll stop sharing. But I think you had included like a spreadsheet that had a list of the arterials. I did. Of course, it's helpful to not have it in, you know, a spreadsheet form, but maybe just to list them. But then you had also mentioned in some of the meetings that there are certain roads that in the town's database, they're clad as arterials that they receive higher priority for. Main and routine roads, finally, per se. And so, I guess, instead of looking town's database, the town's database of the streets and the street segments and how each of the roads are classified, maybe we just have a list of the roads and say these are the roads that this restriction should be placed on or something and just stay away from the database. What do you guys think of that? It does seem more straight. So how many words are there that are not functionally arterials that are listed in the databases or channels just so that they have priority maintenance? Well, like I think Lincoln Avenue is a does an arterial so it gets priority maintenance. I don't think we want to list Lincoln. And so that would solve the problem. Parking. There you go. There you go. Yeah. But I'm no. I was actually looking for my list. I don't I have a I have a spreadsheet. I have the spreadsheet version, I think. But it was from that same when you circulated it. Oh, actually lists. The list I have it only has local roads. That's weird. So I do not have the list that has a list of arterial roads. Is there another tab on that list? Oh, wait. Sorry, I have a different list to let me open up. Yes, OK, I have the list here. I'll pull it up. It was two separate documents, actually. So so these are collectors, arterials and principal arterials. So then, like, you know, fearing fearing hills, you know, fearing fearing Hills Road, North Whitney, the ones at the top that are kind of like collectors are the ones that are the ones that are open for. Some type of interpretation. OK. Most of the other ones, you would say those are the the main roots and there shouldn't be parking on them. But Redgate Lane shoots through a neighborhood and they consider it their residential street. So those those right there are the ones the top nine are the ones I would say are ones to think about. Yeah, well, I mean, I guess, yeah, I don't I don't think we would want to. I mean, even fearing, right? So like, I live down near downtown and people do park on Pomeroy. And they don't park on fearing now. So well, so there's a university end of fearing, right, with the meters. Right. But those are clearly marked and they're not there. But don't people even there? Even there, isn't there like overflow, residential parking on fearing? You're allowed to park on fearing. There is. No, I've never seen. I don't know. Oh, I don't know. I see some people. There's no restrictions on fearing, I don't think. With parking. I think there is no one side only. Yeah. No, I think I think you're right. Yes. I mean, most of those, most of those nine are mostly in neighborhoods, and that's why they could be thought. Well, maybe no, we don't include those. But Amity streets, the main road in and out bridges, the main one. Yes. The last group are really kind of. Yeah, that was me too. I would miss wondering about about. About the middle group is Shays, aren't there aren't there some parts of Shays where people park? No, Shays is not. It's not safe to park on, really. Because I mean, you're going from one 16 right over to the towns. I mean, the South Common. And yeah, I mean, I thought when we did that walk that there were people parked on Shays, but I don't know. I drive that way a lot. It's a thoroughfare and it could be. I mean, if you get right towards the South Common, I mean, there could be a little bit parking over there, but there's really not space to park very much on Shays. It's pretty narrow in lines and the traffic is fast. Most most of the parking play like Shays or. Or the group above Middle Street. Most of the times they see people park there. It's it's people in working in the trades. Right. OK. You're right. Then once you get down along the Common, if there's an event at the church or something like that, then there's right people parked everywhere. Sunday morning. Yeah, people need to be more confident. But I think that those other the other two ones, I mean, I guess I would leave collectors off the list and I would just say the minor churros and those French ball churros. And I mean, I really don't think people should be parking on those streets. They all have a lot of traffic outside of, I mean, so if you take something like Main Street, right? So in the center of town, there is parking on Main Street, obviously. So that would be an exception. So it would be except for where it's marked for parking. And then parking on Main Street, it goes down. So like the Emily Dickinson House. And then there's no parking. Oh, it actually goes past. Triangle, right? So no. Well, there's some parking like down if you go to the pizza place. And yeah, right there. Triangles where it stops the framing place and stuff like that. They have on-street parking. No, it's a little bit. I think it has like a bulb out or something right near the old railroad station. Yeah, right, right. Where you can pull in for the pizza place. There's a parking there. Right, that's what. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. So it seems like we're all agreeing, at least at that the minor arterial through West Street are roads that should be included. And it seems to me that the top nine ones are, you know, also it seems to me that those are something that the council has been dealing, you know, counselors have been dealing with and seem to want to deal with parking on that themselves. But I think we pretty unanimously agree that those last ones are appropriate for that van parking van. So do we want to trace you for the next meeting? Maybe we want to draft a memo or a document with that list and those that list of streets and those the point, the, you know, that point number four on it. Yeah, yeah, we could do that. I mean, Guilford, what do you think? I mean, we agree that's a good idea. I feel like Guilford might have enough to bring it forward as is. I don't I mean, it's important for us to do a lot more. And I'm just well, if you if you wanted to vote and say you agree with those streets, we can send something forward those streets. I think we could send something forward. I mean, I guess looking back at the original like the PDF of the original memo, I mean, one of the things I would mention to hear about restricting parking on the Archery Roadways. I would mention that it's not just about the bike lanes. It's also about pedestrians who are walking on the shoulders of the roads as well on those streets. Like, for example, I think about like along route nine and things route nine, like near Belcher Town, Belcher Town Road, side and stuff. So you could say you have to you have to have a pretty big shoulder to do that. But there are I mean, even cases along, say like like East Pleasant Street, where there is no sidewalk and you know, some of those sometimes people are stuck. You could say to accommodate bike traffic, comma, and in some cases, pedestrians. Well, you guys are meeting next Thursday again next week. Yeah, I think we could get something together for that meeting. And then we can just approve it as a council and hand it off to Guilford, right? Yeah, I guess I would. Yeah, if somebody else can take the lead on that, that would be great. I'm going to be out of town for a few days. It seems pretty clear and Guilford will just provide a final list. Yeah. So for the streets that we're saying, like Main Street and so on. Do we we don't need to specify like the beginning points or end points. We could just say those streets, except where parking is signed to be allowed, right? So like such as, you know, we could give an example like such as in the downtown area or village center or something. OK, OK, OK, moving along. So the next site. Yeah, the next item is the path. The memo and I'm sorry. And I am working on the memo and life has just been busy. My kids have been homesick and things are crazy. And but we are meeting again next week. And so my plan is to send a copy. Again, I'm going to be out of town for like three or four days. So my plan is to send a draft around and then we can talk about it at the meeting. And I mean, Kim, I know you were really interested in this, too. If you were interested, I could send or if anybody else, you know, I could send around a draft to a small group. Yeah, I wouldn't mind because I have a lot on your plate. If you want to send me what you have and I can work on it and then I'm sure it to the group and then we would have it to talk about it Thursday. That would be awesome. Thank you. OK, all right. OK, so we're through our agenda, our main part of our agenda. Ray, do we have any other topics? I had a couple of things I wanted to ask about, but anything else big? No, OK, great. So one thing I wanted to just bring up, I guess it could have been under announcements, but this is this has been coming before TSO. It was one of the items that was rolled over from the previous council is that there had been a request at some point to look at as some other towns have done and is allowed under state statute to reduce the speed limits like throughout town is to say that Amherst is a community where you have reduced speed limits throughout town. And I had heard a few counselors talk about this last time it had never come to us, but I think TSO may be taking it up and then it might come our way. And at the TSO meeting, somebody was saying go for that, I guess, maybe a member of your staff or a few people presented on this at some point. Does that sound familiar? Yes, we've been asked about it before. OK, and so have you presented to a council or something before on it? We talked briefly about it. All right. I mean, I know the one thing to remember is it only applies to roads that do not have posted speed limits. Right. OK. So you're going to go down from twenty five to walk. No, I think it would go down to twenty five. Yeah, because they're right now at thirty five. The thirty is the de facto speed right now. Yeah. Yeah. Well, isn't thirty the speed or is it twenty five in densely settled areas under statute? You have to actually post this. Yeah, I know you have to say. But what is the speed limit in densely settled areas? Is that twenty five? The one thing the one thing it does allow that is not doable now is if the road's not posted, you can't use radar to actually write the ticket. But if you pass this and you accept this, then you can run radar to enforce the twenty five. Yeah, I think the town's got low enough speed limits already. I guess I have concerns about if you pass something like this and then you don't actually have enforcement, I'm not sure. Yeah, that's my point. It helps. So anyway, it will come our way at some point, I think. So right now, TSO is really focused on that parking permit proposal because there's just a lot of elements to that. So one of the quick thing I had was just is the question for comment for Guilford about the back in parking downtown. When I'm downtown a lot, I mean, it does seem like many more people now back in, but some people still park front in. Even people people still park front and right in front of the signs that say back and only like directly next to them. But one thing I've noticed, I mean, so one thing is that the main way that people will park front in is by going. People who are southbound will go across the northbound lane and like slide in. And I actually saw somebody a vehicle even signal once, you know, when it was a really busy afternoon downtown and they were signaling like to turn left to like do that and go across the northbound lane. So it did make me think if there was some kind of like not like a real barricade, but at least like a visual barrier or something like in that vicinity and not, of course, in the winter or something, but just like some kind of plastic barrier or something to be like you can't turn like left into these parking spaces. If that would work or I think I think you're going to see the the TSO and people wanting to talk about what to do to the downtown street, North Pleasant and South Pleasant. They know they know they can have more parking. They know they can have more sidewalk space for dining. So I think they're going to try to decide what they want to do downtown. OK, I might decide they might decide to have all that space for dining and then just have parallel parking again. I mean, I mean, currently the back in parking, right? It's approved, I think, until like April or something, the way they've approved it. It is. And then they have to decide what to do. They're going to do it. It'll they can also do an extension if they need to. But there there's never been like a public hearing or anything about it. How's there? Do you know? There's a permanent. Oh, OK. OK, I mean, it's like going to work. We were just up in Portland like the other week and the amount of like on street. Main, not Oregon, but the amount of like on street dining that's still going on in the in the depths of winter up there was pretty impressive. You know, everyone's kind of got solo stoves with burning wood or the heat likes going on. And yet, you know, all the way down here in lowly Massachusetts, we shut everything down and gone to town on it. So it's it was just kind of the curious thing, like how I guess, you know, maybe they're more hardy types up in Maine. But I mean, everyone walks around here with a Canada goose jacket on anyway, so surely they can sit outside and buy it for us anyway. So. Yeah, the other thing that comes up downtown a lot now, Andy Steinberg brings it up at almost every meeting when they're talking about parking garages and so on is about reversing North Prospect Street. To have North Prospect Street like the people as people are trying to get to the current parking lot behind CVS or if there was to be a garage back there. The idea was that people would enter on the Amity side and then go through that way and that it would be easier instead of going through the little alleyway next to CVS, that they would see it better and go more certainly be safer. So anyway, I mean, I'm expecting that that will come. I mean, one issue is that now that you're we're making things like one way parking and things like at the Kendrick Park ends, like you you still want people who live in those neighborhoods to still be able to get where they need to go to. So I'd be a little hesitant to change the direction for the whole length of it or something, but. But we'll see. I would I would expect that that will come up sometime. So. OK. So is that it, Tracy? I I yeah, we covered what we have. So and we voted on something and it's going forward and we'll vote next time, too. And yeah. Well, OK, all right. Thank you, guys. Thank you very much. Can I say good luck with the storm with the storm? All right, thank you, everybody. Yeah, we'll use I need that memo that you had tonight and that list that this memo that I know the one that sorry, the one we're still sharing, I will send this to you. Sure. Can you send that? Yeah, these are just the ones. I'll actually see Gil for two in case he has any updates. OK.