 Welcome back everybody. Perhaps we should get started and I've just seen that we've been joined by our keynotes from Ireland, Oisin. So welcome, very warm welcome Oisin. It's fantastic to have you here. We're very much looking forward to your keynote very soon. We are going to just spend some time for the next 10 minutes or so, a quarter of an hour or so and then we'll have a short break before your keynote. Just to report back from the sessions that we've just had to have an opportunity to share some of the discussion that took place. We had a staff session and a student session, and we were looking at or considering the same series of questions in each session. So, and we did capture some of the themes through the padlet, but really this session is to invite Alison Kate and Alisa from the staff session and Alex from the student session to share the themes of the discussions that took place in their part of the Zoom world. Shall I go first? Wonderful. Thank you, Alison. I'm sure Alex will be fine with that. I'll just start with a couple of reflections that we had as we, and it's a little bit from the padlet and a little bit from our discussion. We talked about, you know, some of the challenges in doing this work, which can be seen as quite disruptive and in fact is probably designed to be that way to move beyond just the consultation with students once we've designed something or made a decision or, you know, just, you know, some feedback and then, you know, trying to close the loop on that. It's about really moving up on Steen's ladder and getting to the genuine partnership stage where we're working as equal informed partners from our unique perspectives and to do that, you know, it really takes cultural change. We have our champions here who do a lot of this work and we talk a lot about the challenges and how to overcome them. And one of the great reflections that we had in the session was that we know that there are challenges. It is, it can be messy. Things cannot work. We can sometimes make mistakes, you know, it's, it's hard to make this sustainable when there are big changes that happen in the university, or indeed, you know, some of our champions move on either from the staff or student space. So that in itself is something that we can plan for and try to create strategies and processes and systems to, to anticipate those challenges. But there's always going to be new challenges. I mean, I don't have to tell you guys what 2020 brought for all of us. I think that when we're thinking about the challenges, what works and the benefits for this are the things that really drive us as staff that we're very, very passionate about this space and I'm passionate about listening to students so trust was another thing that came out quite strongly, because you do that cultural piece around ensuring you've got shared values, and that you talk about those things, because you know you can plan and have strategies and systems in place but if we don't have that shared culture of partnership and genuine partnership, no one's going to be listening to each other. So that's a general kind of summary statement. Is that, is that okay. Alex, did you want to chime in from the student side of things we're very interested to hear. Thanks for that Allison yeah we, we had similar discussions. It was great to kind of we had a pretty small group so we didn't end up using padlet all that much although Piper all add in some of these notes later so we have that copy, but we just all just kind of had a great chat and gave some gave some examples from our own institutions. So, for example, one of the biggest challenges, and you just touched on this a little bit Allison was mistrust mutual mistrust identified between both senior academic staff as well as student groups so it's a bit on both sides you have senior groups that students may think are acting against their best interest, and you have management that may think the student group could hurt the reputation of the organization. So we spent quite a bit of time on looking at what all the benefits are though of having students involved in in the representation. As we've seen in the presentations today there's there's quite a few. Some came to mind. It's a really great learning example for the institution. But one thing you really want to focus on is what students like and what they dislike and being able to understand that is going to drive student engagement at your organization. So that could be how our courses run how our social events delivered. How would you as a student like to receive announcements and this information. So that was a big theme that we identify that multiple institutions. For strategies and practices that are working. One of the big ones was student elected committees and boards, more resources available for these student run groups. Because we've all seen the positive change that these groups can can provide. I was briefly about the post post grad student association I'm a member of, and although I didn't say it I'm also I was also thinking about the SVA group and, and how that, how that's worked how our little working group Alice and that's worked and what we've been able to do for the university and in such a short time. Finally, where do we want to see this in the future. We want to reevaluate what's worked this year, maybe build off of what worked from 2020 as well, given that COVID was such a substantial change that affected everybody and it's still affecting us today. I just want to look at sustainability and we're going to be talking a little bit about that on Thursday, but Felix brought up a great, great discussion about student voice Australia sustainability and the trouble with high turnover in the group. And you worry about losing that knowledge those champions that passion, the work that's been done the relationships that have been forged. Honestly, I couldn't have said it myself Felix that was a great point you made. And it's something I've been thinking a little bit about myself being that I'll graduate either early this year or early next year or later this year or early next year. And I think it's I think it's something that we should all very seriously consider is how can we ensure that that same drive that you see in one year is going to carry over to your new students and your new staff because it's important that you have a new staff at the university who are also there to help guide the volunteers like myself. So basically Allison, you're never allowed to leave because I worry about what's going to happen when myself and the others graduate, and then there's a new flock you're going to have to educate and inspire. Anyway, that so that that kind of wraps up the discussion we had a great discussion. If there's anything else that I've missed. If anyone wants to shoot me a message I'll be happy to raise my voice again but I just want to thank everybody again that was a great session and I'll pass it along. Thank you so much, Alex and also Allison. That was that was a lot to cover from a short session which is great and really identifying I think some key issues can I bring Kate and Alyssa in in to the to the discussion. Shall I go first Kate. So the things that came up for me, it was interesting the conversations that I was having in our small group with the sort of the micro practices but also the issues around governance and I guess the big takeaways for me are just the importance of that university level leadership and having a really clear strategy around student leadership. And a coordinated effort because there are a lot of things that can happen in lots of fragmented ways across the university but there's not a lot of coordination and there's probably a lot of duplication of resourcing. So they're the big takeaways for me just having that kind of coordinated strategic level approach to student leadership and then really focusing in on how we support students and how we support staff because the power relation issue is really difficult and then sustainability so I think thinking about how we embed this in structures and processes so that it just becomes part of the culture of the university it's part of what we do on a day to day basis and I think I feel like we've got a long way to go before that might be the case. And then things around representation so representation of more than just the most engaged students for example perhaps the time for students equity students how do we engage people in this space who may not see that they belong there may not feel they belong there so then there's some of the things for me. Thank you that's that's really thank you Lisa that that's that's great and it kind of reminds me as well as one of the topics that we discussed in in a small group I was in which was, I guess around shared purpose, shared purpose, really, and real clarity of purpose, and we talked a little bit I think about, you know, the passion, maybe there and and lots of, as you say, different initiatives, activities, maybe also a coordinating framework but actually, I really identify with this issue of shared purpose, because of the experience from last year I think, Alex you mentioned that you talked about, you know, what we learned from 2020 and building on that and I think there's probably more work we can do perhaps as a network to really dig into that question what did we learn in in 2020 that as a net, you know, as institutions I think we're taking this forward, maybe as a as a network what we can, can we learn from our our distributed experiences of 2021 I think for us was this extraordinary galvanizing of commitment to a student partnership and student voice approach within that context of of a kind of heightened center sense of shared purpose, a real clarity of what we needed to do, and why and there's something there for me in all of that. Alyssa, sorry Kate, would you like to comment. I don't want to comment too much because I'm actually really keen to hear there's some more students that want to contribute so I'd like to give some time to hear from another student maybe that participated in that conversation I can't see people in the room. Great and I can't see people in the room either. So if anyone would like to speak up that'd be great. I mean I think all I would add is that we need to genuinely like genuinely value valuing what students have to offer and what students contribute, and they're real very real expertise is really important as well. And thinking about how we actually show appreciation or reward or recognize students participating beyond maybe certificates and recognition of activity and things like that. I think we have to get really serious about that if we want to make sure that students are equals and participating. We get that wider participation that so they were some thoughts that we had in our group but um yeah is there a student I'd love to hear from someone so I can't name anyone on my screen. You could always take a question or a comment through the Q&A. So students who'd like to comment in response to Kate if you if you want to do that through the Q&A because we're in a webinar so we can't do it. If they want to put up their hands we can promote them so they can talk so if there is a student who'd like to be visible we should be able to do it I think. Okay. But we just need to put their hand up using the raised hand function. Don't be shy. I'm the whole point of us being in this room it's really they're here from you guys. I'd love to hear some more. I can't see anything coming up at the moment. Maybe it's some it's it's just a natural time to draw this session to a close. We do have a scheduled break for 10 minutes before we welcome. And his keynote and engage with with a sheen and the work that that he's taking forward in Ireland. Everybody thanks so much for your input into that session. It seems to me to have generated some very clear thinking and some clear themes for student voice Australia to be engaging with as we go forward so and I'm really glad that we've captured that in not only on the padlock but in this fantastic visual. That we've got on our screens at the moment. Thank you Rachel for that is brilliant. Let's take 10 minutes and we will reconvene in 10 minutes for a sheen keynote. Thank you everybody.